There is a 99% Probability that Manmade Emissions Have Caused Climate Change Why do we still debate if there is a climate change at all ?
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Sounds to me a sensible answer, people are not used to think global.we think local, and if you do not think to deeply all looks fine locally.
Climate change has been ongoing for 4.5 billion years. No one is denying climate change. Earth is far more resilient than you think. 1975 the big scare was Global Cooling.
Head in the sand? Scientific proof is available that the temperatures are changing at a speed far, far greater than "natural." Change your own lifestyle to make a positive difference. Just a bit.
Jonny, my head used to be in the sand, believing this scam. But I was wrong. Real climate (empirical) scientists disagree with this AGW hoax.
I don't have the answer but this sounds like a good one
I like that "cognitive dissonance" thing you mention, Aime. That is so totally true. If the facts do not fit into one of a person's mental scheme of things, then it often cannot be accommodated (to use the psychological term).
Also cognitive dissonance when people find out that they've been played by the corporations to buy this Global Warming hoax. Global Warming is good. See my answer to find out why.
As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing bad about protecting the environment. Even if it is a hoax, I'll continue to give a shit about the planet for the sake of future generations.
Which is really all it boils down to Aime. It's surprising how that kind of logic flies over the heads of people who deny humans have any real kind of impact on the world.
True Aime, we can fingerpoint and argue till hell is frozen but a more positive contribution is to care about our environment. May it be on a small scale like putting bottles in the bottle container or on a large scale.
caring is not a bad thing.
This is the only safe way to proceed.... presume that the science IS right and develop ways to change our habits for the better. If the science is in error we will not have lost, we will have improved our lot.
Aime F, I care about the Earth & future gens. Shackle them with a multi-Trillion$ tax to solve a non-problem?
Science is right. This hoax is political, not science
Aime..... I would suggest you watching your profanity. It is not allowed on HP and can lead to a ban or suspension.
Excessive profanity is against the TOS, and her profanity is not directed towards anyone specific.
What rules are Aime breaking, JT?
Thanks for your concern, JThomp. I know you would hate to see me leave. <3
Just informing you Aimee. You are welcome! :)
Jthomp are you now downgrading your climate change discussing with an attack on Aime language? Mmm. She still said the right thing. If you don't trust science you can still improve the environment on a personal level.
Your answer would be compelling if Big Oil wasn't behind this Global Warming hoax. Just look at the Rockefeller Fdn. website on climate change. They stand to make $Trillion$ on Carbon Tax. Pay up!
Pretty much exactly the issue. Same thing happened with leaded gasoline. Data was ignored, even when it was obvious that leaded gasoline was the cause for lead contamination.Same deal here. We haven't seen the consequences yet, so people ignore it
There are scientists and well educated people who think vaccines cause autism, too... but like the people in this video, they're in the vast minority. Opinion of scientists SHOULD count for something when so many hold the same one.
When belief is the basis for opinion, then the head goes into the sand and refuses to reason. The scientists who are in disagreement over climate change mostly work for either the "believers" or big corrupt business interests, - or both! IMHO
Aime, did you watch the whole thing? The so-called "majority" of scientists counted by the UN's IPCC don't agree with the IPCC.
Too many scientists are not being counted by the IPCC. Science by politics. That's where the head in the sand comes from.
YES! Exactly why I don't trust "science" that comes from or is funded by bureaucrats--it's biased, manipulative, and dishonest. Scientists who only rely on computer models can fudge constants and boundary conditions to "prove" anything they want to.
This video is a swindle! The fossil fuel industry along with their climate skeptics buddies produce this so we believe the global warming is a hoax. The hoax is believing it is one. Study your science and learn!
We'll said. There is one difference though between the climate change debate and religion. Climate change you can proof the existence of a god you can't. And climate change is proven by scientist. What politicians do is a different thing though...
Peter--Your scientists (politicians) have proven nothing. Give two facts of proof---no links and we will take it from there. "The NIPCC 2013 report concluded the same.--no fact
Bravo, CJ. There's a lot of chest thumping and "scientific consensus," but it's all smoke and mirrors. No proof; just empty claims. In 1975, the big scare was Global Cooling.
Lone--I think this is the first time we have agreed. Yes, the world was ending then too. We would all freeze to death. My research indicates Al Gore is the cause of global warming and it is geared to the opening of his mouth & bank account.
Look at the traffic snarl-ups in every city of the world, twice a day, and consider the carbon dioxide and heat out put for travelling all of a few kms/miles. And you think that is of no consequence? Open your minds to more than you believe.
I could also look up in the sky and see multi-ton machines of metal flying through the sky and say, "how can that be?" "How do dey do dat?"
The latest religious-like idea is that climate change partisans are trying to change capitalism into a socialist or communist state. Talk about a hair-brained conspiracy theory.
But what's important is a sustainable future.
We'll said Link10103 man is capable of many things and to ignore climate change and point the guilty finger to volcanos is simpleminded behavior. We simply have to take responsibility and do something about it.
Link, pollution is bad. Agreed. But CO2 is not pollution! It's the essential gas of life. Ask a climate empiricist (not climate modeler) and they think it's obvious from the facts that manmade climate change is a hoax.
CO2 is an essential gas agreed, but an excess of it is what causes the earth to warm up more than it needs to. Too much oxygen can kill someone, too much CO2 has the same effect. Why can't something similar be applied to the atmosphere as well?
Gross, careless, greedy, unconcerned abuse and over-use of resources is bad for our entire planet, all species, not just human. So let's use our good sense and intelligence to improve things.
Climate change is a fact, and even if you think mankind is not the guilty one, we are the only species on this world that can stop climate change and therefore have the obligation to do so.
So we are not the cause but we now can control the weather? We can no more control the weather than we can the path of the earth along its elliptic. The cultishness of the AGW crowd never ceases to amaze and disgust me. AGW is a fraud.
I never said we could control the weather.
I was responding to Peterstip
Super, I didnt see anything in Peter's comment that said humans could control the weather. Man made emissions cause environmental harm, that is fact. Since we cause it, we are the ones that are held accountable for stopping it.
"we are the only species on this world that can stop climate change" --sounds like controlling the weather to me.
Drinking a cup of water sounds like gulping down Niagara Falls to me at that point.
Luckily we do not control the weather. But we do have an inormous impact on the environment (destroying rainforest,plains,cars,industry,cows and pigs etc.) and therefore does our actions influence the climate...
Do you have any evidence from a reputable scientific source to back up your claim that global warming is a fraud, Superkev?
Peter, you're really naive if you think we can stop climate change. If you want to pay the $Trillion$ carbon tax, be my guest. Leave the rest of us out of your scam.
I suspect we cannot stop what we have started... but we can and should work to being more responsible for the life of our planet and its inhabitants.
And get our heads out of the sand ....
Sorry, Jonny. You really are misguided if you think climate change started with humans. It's been going on 4.5 billion years. Stop that? Wow! Climate change is nature itself.
Rod climate change is man made, we are part of nature too. I wish I could pay a trillion in tax then I would be a trillionair. We,humans pieces,are the only ones that can change climate change. We are the cause of the problem so we have to fix it.
The osmium petition is simplistic. 32000 scientis sounds a lot but is only 0.3% of the total scientist graduates from the USA. Scientist outside the USA where not asked. And by the way the petition started in 2008 and is out of date.
This is the first thing that comes up on Google: http://www.skepticalscience.com/OISM-Petition-Proj...
If you want facts, do a search of peer-reviewed articles from accredited journals. There is plenty of scientific evidence for you there.
Peter--When quoting one should, a matter of ethics, note the source and place the quote in "" marks. I guess one can argue that the calculated speed of light is out of date.
So instead of addressing the flaws in the petition you're talking about Peter's lack of quotation marks? I guess that's telling.
Dear cjhunsinger, if you want to read the article where I got my numbers from read the link of Aime F above. It's from skeptical science.com
But if you do not believe computer programs use your own logical sense. Or talk with a farmer.
Peter--The Petition is not out of date and continues." A 2012 IPCC report concluded that there has been no significant increase in either the frequency or intensity of extreme weather events in the modern era."
Good job CJ. Perhaps a more potent point is that science is never "settled" or by "consensus." These are the terms of scamsters who use them on people who don't know better.
Peter--Proof of climate change, "The imminent climate summit in New York is rapidly turning into an utter embarrassment for President Obama and UN Secretary General Bank Ki-Moon,--no one there.
The fact that the ocean has risen significantly the last 50 year, the fact that the % CO2 has risen enormous and the tempura urges has risen globally doesn't mean much apparently to you. These facts are easily measured without a computer model.
Peter--You are not qualified to tell me what is important to me. To the oceans rising significantly and CO2--nonsense. Give me specifics, so I can show you how wrong you are.
Cjhunsinger. since the industrial revolution the CO2 has risen dramatically. Simply ask questions in Google.
Let me help you out here. I want you to give a specific figure, as to sea rise, since that is your chosen path. If you do not, cannot, relying on a link is not an argument. Don't let someone else do your talking for you.
This is Silly CJ You are asking me to proof that the sea level is rising without the research that's on the internet. You can simply proof that the sea level is rising by taking tests every year. You are the answer to my question. Thanks.
Peter--This is easy. Extract a figure that you believe to be correct. Put it in your owns words and then using your own conviction, your own words and back it up. You see this puts you on the spot, not a third party.
But then would you not ask for the evidence on where that number came from CJ? Seems you two would be right back at start then. It doesnt sound like you are entirely willing to listen to any of what Peter says at this point.
cjh, your being proudly American and claiming a like for reasoning power, I do not see much evidence of this. Is it that you don't want to believe in anthropocentric climate change?
Do you want facts or do you want Peter to pull an original essay out of his ass in 250 characters? Seems you're dancing around the issue to talk about quotation marks and links.
Aime the Tigress
If you don't trust science cj best thing to do is to talk with a farmer. He will tell you that he is planting his seeds on different times of the year then 30 years ago. This because the weather changed.
Peter--National Geographic reports that ave increase in rise of seas is 0,14" per yr since 1990 --proof of manmade change. No-seas have been rising for 18,000 from last great ice age, as planet warms. Industrial age started when?
Peter--I live in rural MI and last year was a bumper crop in corn. This year looks good. Last year the planting was early-this year late.
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Climate change is made made, but the cause is not important any more. The question is : How can we change climate change. Because it's going rapidly. We're not talking about grandchildren. We are talking about 10-20 years.
^ Unfortunately the science and earth's history disagrees with you. H20 vapor is a greenhouse gas, and H20 vapor in the atmosphere (plus the earth's wobble) predates mankind. Therefore, the climate fluctuations do, too.
What source says that only 5% of all pollution is man made?
Jst, are you denying that humans have a negative impact on the earth then? Or simply denying we have an impact on the climate?
Ah, David Legates. The guy who was asked to step down as State Climatologist and signed a declaration about God creating an Earth that can sustain itself regardless of human impact. Of course.
Hi jst. Man has an great impact on the environment with cutting rainforest , farming cattle , plains and cars,coal industry and electricity. This huge change in the earths environment has a big impact on the climate, don't you think?
Some people use the word global warming, I was using the word Climate Change. Locally it may seem that it is getting colder or wetter but it is a global weather change with consequences for crops and way of living that effects us all.
Don't be fooled, Peter. Climate change is as old as the planet. Some scammers merely want to make $Trillion$ off of the scam. But more, they want the power that comes with being able to tax us.
Corrupt and greedy exploitation of resources is as old as the history of humans. Work to stop that, Lone77star, and you will be doing the world a favor. Leave any ideas about "god" out of it.
JT, this isn't the unreliability of science. You're reading it all wrong. Science is highly reliable. Ego and politics are the problem, here. Just like the corruption of religion, Ego is the bad guy. Real scientists have abandoned the IPCC.