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So you believe ideology isn't based on fact or logic? That's profound, profoundly wrong. Virtually all ideologies are based on fact and logic.
Facts can be misinterpreted, logic can be faulty but ideologies do not arise void of fact or logic.
tsad, so sad, your logic is so faulty. "Ideology" is based upon what is perceived as "ideal." How often do you find the ideal in fact?
johnnycomelately, lately? more like johnny missed the boat. Give me one example of an ideology that is not based on a fact or a logic.
One example of an ideology that's not based on facts or logic? Okay. White Supremacy.
What do I win?
I asked Johnny, but do you allude only to the self-conscious racism of white supremacist hate groups or instead to a political, economic and cultural system in which whites overwhelmingly control power&material resources which is facts & logi
I'll give you an example that I can attest to by personal experience: Independent, Fundamental Baptists. Not only do they believe in and preach immoral and crazy concepts, but they also tend to be politically out of touch with reality.
Well, I think it is obvious just who is out of touch with reality and so consumed with hatred he is blind to the truth and it ain't baptists.
Whatever you say, Tsad. ;)
Robert the Bruce, don't wait around too long for Tsad to give you a respectful and intelligent answer. He just loves an argument and, no matter how hard you try to give a reasoned debate, be will usually try to bate you, not debate you.
Ah, the president of RTB's three person fan club. Another promoter of anti Christian bigotry and character assassination. You just hate an argument because you never win.
That comment of yours actually made me smile, Tsad. Your choice of words the whiny way in which you write them reveal so much about you. :)
I'm here only to please you, of course your highness we all exist for your selfish pleasure, be merciful to all these your lowly servants who only wish to please your every whim..
The left has to distort every issue to fool people. There only true advantage is that they're willing to lie, cheat and slander to stifle debate and promote thier views.
Wba, the same could be said for the "Right." Lying, cheating, slander, and distortion are used extensively by both Left and Right because if they didn't, we'd all realize how worthless they are and throw out their sorry #$%es.
If that's true who do you suggest we listen to?
More neutral sources, like the BBC.
BBC neutral??? Zelkiiro, you are from a parallel world. WBA,isn't it obvious, RTB thinks you should listen to him, he has all the answers, everyone else in the world is worthless, including you, unless you see it his way.
Wba, I suggest that you greatly vary your news reading. Don't just read one source and take it as concrete fact. Try reading from mor independent sources rather than those affiliated with "Left" or "Right."
That's not what you said,you claimed both Left&Right sources are worthless because they both lie, cheat, slander&distort, (which is a lie in itself)Now you want to walk back what you said 'cause in your mind "independent" sources agree with y
???...I think you're confused. My point was that lying and distortion is common in the mainline Left and Right "news" sources. Both liberal and conservative mouthpieces twist the facts to suit their agendas. We just need to be aware of that.
But aqua,don't you know left wing superiority is sacred.It is sanctified,infallible,&utterly precious.No one in their right mind would allow their child to become a right-wing fundamentalist, God forbid! whoops, a lefty might say Obama forbid!
I would be quite shocked to put it mildly. If I had children(more likely a child), I would raise them to have a universalist mindset. I would inculcate them to be open to many things. I would be highly insulted if my children turned out like THAT!
I agree with you. the universalist mindset is one that my grandfather embraced. Having an open mind & a closed mouth would benefit the world enormously.
WBA, can I call you dad? :-) Cause we see eye to eye... (or mom cause with the anonymity of the internet and one can't know for sure)
Ohhh thats so sweet, Tsad! That would been definitely Dad, thanks! But I may be younger than you.
You may be, but because of the anonymity of the net who can know, really. I could be the teenage kid next door to you. You drive a silver car right?
Excerpt from the 1796 Treaty with Tripoli: "As the gov. of the United States of America is NOT IN ANY SENSE founded on the Christian religion..." This treaty was written under Washington and signed under Adams. The basis was humanism, not Chritianity
Thank you RtheB for being true to your reputation of spreading lies a distortions about Christianity. You can read (and weep) the truth of the matter here. Be my guest: http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?cat...
"Apologetics Press"...hmmm...I wonder if they are biased toward Christiaity or anything? Christians are good at ignoring facts. My example is not the only one. The USA was a product of the Enlightenment, not the rigid doctrines of Christianity.
Like the article explains,if you researched for yourself instead of believing atheist lies you'd realize the only biased one is you as you just demonstrated above Yet instead you choose to demean Dr. Miller http://www.apologeticspress.org/dm.aspx
This "Dr. Miller" has no degrees relevant to the subject at hand. Bible and speech degrees do not qualify one to be a credible historian. Unlike you, I get my facts from more sources (and better) than just heavily biased religious ones.
Western Civilization is a product of Christianity as a moral and philosophical tradition, to assert other wise is to lie."not founded on the Christian religion" is an assertion of the Gov't's secular nature,not a denial of Christianity's significance
Yes retief, to lie. RtheB so tell me what qualifies you to be a credible historian? Reading garbage written by atheists? I cite a source, where is yours?
Let's take a look at the piece of writing itself, shall we?
Oh, look. Article 11. There it is. IN PLAIN ENGLISH.
Retief, I'm not denying that Christianity had an influence on on the founding of the nation. But one cannot ignore the impact of the Age of Enlightenment of the 18th century. Individualism and liberty are not the strong points of Christianity.
Yeah try to change the subject which is stated by RTB "The basis was humanism, not Chritianity." The link I gave which you obviously didn't read dispells the assertion the Treaty of Tripoli as a patent denial of the Christian character of America
Christianity was influential to point, yes, but the "Great Experiment" that is the USA would never have come into being if not for the humanist thinking of the Age of Reason. The new gov. changed the structure of authority.
Really RTB,are you qualified to make that statement?You are so full of it. You clearly stated "the gov. of the United States of America is NOT IN ANY SENSE founded on the Christian religion.The basis was humanism, not Chritianity"not Influential
If you would research the bio's of the founding father's you will find that most of them were Mason's, who were trying to build a society based on the myths of Atlantis. In the scriptures GOD is harsh.
You obviously need a vocabulary lesson. The words "basis" and "influence" are very different. Yes, Christianity had some influence, but the American gov. was not BASED ON the Bible. Why don't you come up with a rebuttal instead of just whining.
"NOT IN ANY SENSE" means not influenced.See this is what u always do,hit with falsehoods then shown wrong u always demean the messenger(prejudiced, not qualified, whatever)never cite proof,then u try to weasel out of what you said.Nothin newhere
If you send me your address I'll send you a dictionary as a gift, since it's obvious you need to brush up on your word meanings. If the concepts in this conversation are too hard for you to articulate and differentiate, I'm sorry. :)
Ah ha.Passive aggressive (catty) condescension!Just another play from your playbook?so becoming.You say you're not a liberal but you sure have the liberal playbook down pat.Hope it gives you satisfaction cause it's not foolin anyone else.
So your response to whatever an adult thinks is it is the fault of everyone or anyone else and they could never be responsible themselves for disagreeing with you!That's profound,tells more about you than any one/any thing else.You are superior
THANK YOU, SIR.
Yes, clearly the worldview adopted by people who use their brains is the worldview that involves bogeymen and a plane of torment that somehow tortures people without the sensory aid of their nervous systems...
GOOD ONE, Zelkiiro!
Good one? "bogeymen & a plane of torment that somehow tortures people without the sensory aid of their nervous systems" is meaningless babble in response to this comment or the question. Who said that,Zelkiiro? that explains it, Shame on you gm.
I'm going to happily assume you're just being facetious, because no one is so dense.
Bogeymen = Lucifer and his angels. Simple enough.
Plane of Torment = Hell, obviously.
Z - why would anyone listen to anything you have to say when you parrot the false church lie that lucifer is satan when the bible tells who he actually is.