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Thanks for answering.
Excellent examples for a very relevant point.
Good answer. Thanks.
Gal 2:14: Paul "...I said to Cephas in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?" Christians do not live under the Law, but under grace.
Mike, your kidding right? That is talking about the Old Covenant. We are talking about modern day laws of the United States.
Great insight. Some Christians seem to think our laws should be drawn from the Bible. I disagree for many reasons. The main reason is that the Constitution forbids it. Sounds like you've got a good grasp of the issue.
Thanks, Good laws can come from anywhere, i.e. nature, philosophy, science and religious books. But adherents to those religions believe laws should come from their books regardless of the will of the people. Their god trumps democracy.
Exactly, Chris. I have a Christian friend who insists the Constitution was designed to protect the Christian religion. Wow! They don't seem to understand that our laws were based on liberty and the ability to change them---not to create a theocracy.
The two great laws according to Jesus is "Love the LORD" above all and "Love your neighbor as yourself." The whole Christian era is a time of learning what Grace is - the Reformation, etc. Western civilization's law is the fruit of that.
Not entirely, Mike. The US Constitution, for example, was more a product of the Enlightenment Period and a resurgence of the importance of individual liberty...something that is NOT a Christian concept.
Thanks. Given your answer, are you aware that the Constitution of the US prohibits the establishment of religion?
Levi..Now THIS is the way to ask ur question!...Bible based? ABSOLUTELY NOT. But 4 those who disagree, they're free to move to where there is Sharia Law. They should have FUN with that!
Denise, where did Jesus say His Kingdom was? "Within You" Why do Christians constantly get that confused with Washington DC and every state capital in the country?
While not allowing Congress to establish a religion (i.e. Church of England with say the President at its head), it does not permit the prevention of practicing it or mentioning things pertaining to a religion. Private people can and do.
No arguments there, Mike. People can practice their religions. The question deals with whether the Bible's teachings can become law in this country...and the Constitution says "No."
Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder." We need to get this expunged from every state and federal government to avoid establishing a religion? May I suggest Levi, you do not understand the establishment clause.
May I suggest, Mike, that both you and I know that's not what I meant. Refraining from murder is NOT a Christian concept. It transcends religion. Compulsory church attendance would be a better ex. of something that should not be made law.
Thanks for the clarification. Due to history, most our laws hail back to the founders's Biblical faith - if their source is of inter
est. The manner they incorporated it is as you say... not establishment of a church.
Paula, Sharia is a Koranic based - not Bible. Apostle Paul said this: "...I said to Cephas in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"
MIke, Am well aware Sharia=Koran ="religion/faith-based example of Law." Both books contain violence, honor-killing, beheading, pedophilia, INSANITY. Jew, Muslim, Christian.(all guilty at some point of SAVAGERY. thanks to their barbaric beliefs).
News shows show that too. It's part of human society and not Biblical teaching. To the degree the savage beast has been tamed, you can thank Christian and indeed other religion's positive influence.
If the genocidal maniac Jehovah of the Old Testament is the SAME God of the New, then you have a serious problem, Mike.
I do understand. You don't see the relationship. That's ok. There actually is a direct correlation.
Ah, condescension isn't very helpful here. I understood everything that you wrote, Mike. What you may not understand is that the Constitution was designed to accommodate the changes in society's beliefs (i.e. becoming less religious). Thankfully.
Condescension often is in the eye of the beholder. Sometimes arguments are uncomfortable. Better to delete them than deal with them. You misunderstand the establishment clause, and I think purposely.
As I said above, thankfully the founders crafted the Constitution to reflect the ever-changing beliefs of society, including becoming non-religious. Is this a concept you understand, Mike?
I understand that a society can become less religious. That is quite undeniable. The problem is often one generation is ignorant of the last's understanding of simple words - like "establish". Historical context is lost and dropped from a debate.