Not saying there is anything wrong about been gay. But we know gay is usually result of psychology, meaning with right psychologist's help any gay can turn straight and straight person can turn gay. But last year there was report of a once little boy turn into a girl in teens, turn out him/her, got XX chromosome, but due to odd reason, can't release female hormone till teen. As a child, he/she was always a girl trap in boy body. It got me thinking, is it possible some gay ain't psychology, but XX who can't release female hormone or XY that can't release male hormone? Should we test the theory?
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Thanks, base on what I see here, obviously some gay have lower them self to CC(CatholicChurch) standard, who bully them.CC has a history of attack anything against CC political view and try force upon people. (e.g. science, evolution, other religion)
Who told this fool that being gay was psychological? The pray away the gay folks? Wow, can 'O worms is right! Pass the popcorn.
[Who told this fool that being gay was psychological? ]All animal behavior is psychology, we do thing due to our psychological status, therefore, gay or not, is psychology. Please keep gay vs Catholic war, out of discussion. Thank you
Peeing is psychological? Who knew? And who mentioned anything about Catholics? I'm sorry you are so confused about things. But at least you are pursuing answers.
[Peeing is psychological?]Isn't your decision to pee, not a decision made by your psych status? Do somebody else's brain control your body?
Oh my, Peter. Take a biology class. Peeing is controlled by a hormone in the body that tells yr body to produce urine called ADH - antidiuretic hormone. Alcohol stops this, makes u pee more. U r triggered 2 pee by nerves indicating full. Control lrnt
So, are u saying ur decision to go pee, is not a result of ur bain? Or ur decision to try hold ur pee till u can't hold and wet ur pants, isn't a decision of ur brain? No one say gay is wrong here, so what are u on about? Are u ashamed of who u are?
Nope, not ashamed in the slightest. Tired of others who aren't gay trying to tell us why we are.
Pee - nerve endings tell u u are full. Control is learnt, so are u saying those with no control over peeing are psychologically wrong?
Never said those who can't control pee are psychological wrong. Saying it is ur psych decision of whether to choose to pee or hold it. Info send to brain, brain evaluate it and make decision base on the evaluation, that is how human mind work.
Surely the mechanism that controls the urge to pee is neurological, not psychological. It might be considered psychological to "hold on," but it only forestalls the neuro- function temporarily. If you are full beer even this choice can be thwarted!
Excluding reflex how human work is our eyes, ears, nose nerves send a message to our brain. Our brain then evaluate those information and respond to the evaluation, therefore, whether to pee or hold it in, is psychology
No, you're choosing whether or not to meet the physical urge now or later. You don't choose whether to pee or not. Everyone pees and eventually your body will do it whether your mind tells it to or not.
That is still choosing whether you are going to pee. Whether you are able to hold it in, that is another story.
Right. So when you pee is a choice. Peeing in itself is not. But even your choice when to relieve yourself is very much influenced by the physical urge. If your body didn't signal it to you then you wouldn't need to make the choice.
Isn't it amazing how people form these 'set in stone' opinions of homosexuality? WTF? Believing in old wives tales and superstition about sexuality is the most damaging thing to happen to people.
If it doesn't personally affect some people, they'll form any opinion, and believe anything about it, because it changes nothing for them, regardless of what damage it may do to others. Its when they force this opinion as fact that there's a problem
1 its academic proven, personality is 50%DNA+50%environment, thus psychology play a role in sexual orientation. 2 If any straight man would participate in academic experiment of how to use psychology to turn straight men gay, why not?
Provide peer-reviewed studies, Peter. So we can see your sources. Personality and sexual orientation are VERY different things - so your theory is interesting, but comparing apples with oranges. If you can't change yrself to gay, y assume we can?
Why are u worry, if a psych expert, figure out how to turn gay people straight and straight people gay? Are u worry, people would condemn gay people for not going straight, after it? choice or not, u have right to be gay and people must respect it.
Can I see a study on the "50%DNA+50%environment" thing? I know there are a multitude of THEORIES about the balance between nature and nurture but in the end we've just come to a consensus that they both play a role. I didn't know we had percentages..
I thought 50% nature and 50% nurture is common knowledge. Alright, I'll see if I can find a paper on it. Cheers :)
Um, no, Peter. It most definitely not exactly 50% each. They interact and play their own roles but there is no possible way of knowing to what extent, and it likely varies from one person to the next. Maybe stop making up stats?
We know for a fact, DNA default setting and environment are equally important, so saying each is 50% is a fair comment. e.g. the same twin, one grew up in liberal household, other grew up in ISIS brainwashing, would have some major difference
They don't always have equal pull, though. You're majorly oversimplifying.
Yet once again, how many people who answer question here are truly specialized? Only a small handfull
You, Peter, are the one stating it as fact yet failing to produce the sources of yr 'facts' - so where is this info from? Otherwise you are likely just pulling it from yr hat.
Why are u so resistance to the fact human behavior is psych(DNA default setting or environment)? Do u think if they find a way to change gay straight, ur wrong not to change? U shouldn't think that way
I'm not resistant - I'd just like to see some proof - you have yet to give ANY to back up your claim. If you want to convince anyone, including me, show us the proof of yr statements. I don't think the way you are claiming, I'd just like 2 see proof
I've seen few reports. Some favor "Direct result of a DNA default personality that can't be change." others favor part of psychic that can be change. Since u are so defensive, I must conclude u are ashamed of what u are, thus, not showing u it.
Peter - I'm not defensive. I just don't take statements of fact as fact without proof. I'm a happy, proud, educated gay woman. Therefore, as u refuse 2 show yr proof - I must therefore conclude - you don't have any.
Ok, here is 1 report. It provide reference to academic sources, so, unless the source are fake, its credible. PS: Don't think been gay is wrong, cause it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=243gqNzPYQg&in...
Interesting, but it doesn't support yr 50/50 theory nor include yr exact stats. The same YouTube channel has this https://youtu.be/70I7Nag4Eu8 - which would mean it's biological, not psychological. I've never thort gay is wrong, I'm not ashamed of me
Seen it, but that is still personality, only this one support a direct DNA default personality result theory. The comment box isn't enough for 2 video, so I chose the 1 that show sources. Gay psych study is still at infant stage, we still know little
I have just deleted a comment that once again bring in the Catholic vs gay war into the conversation (this one is on Catholic side). This question would tolerate no further comments that bring the Catholic vs gay war into the conversation.
Response to last paragraph: The question said "Not saying there is anything wrong about been gay" disagree with gay activist view of gay isn't a choice don't = problem with gay, please don't put words, into people mouth, thank you :)
The political issue surrounding gays in western world, is product of Catholic church wanting to persecute gays. This question, look for academic discussion on why are people gay or straight. Please refrain from bringing in Catholic vs gay war.
I would say the Muslim religion also has a long history of harsh treatment against people who are homosexual. Their treatment of gays today remains horrifying. Being stoned to death is no way to check out.
Peter - Mike said nothing about Catholics. He has a point and it had nothing to do with religion.
Mike - thank you.
"Gay not choice"political slogan that can help gay accepted by None Christian/MuslimRE(ReligionExtremist) (slogan true? another story, I believe med, surgery, counseling can change psychology, so not true)but make RE want to kill, then convert gay
Gay not choice is not a political slogan nor one about Catholics. Is a statement by GAY people to say their sexuality isn't chosen. You keep interpreting statements that disagree with u as 'gay v catholic' - when they aren't. Disagreement is healthy.
Sorry, still can't agree with "gay not choice" many cases of med, surgery, counseling, changing person's mind set. (Plus, I've seen gay turn straight&straight turn gay) Psychology just don't know enough to be able to shift people at will, yet.
That's fine - you don't have 2 agree - like I said disagreement is healthy. But claiming 'gay v catholic war' when lack of choice in sexuality is mentioned (not religion or politics) is not productive - peoples allowed 2 disagree + still have conver
I have, eg there are men who find them self attracted to men cause, desire for sexual companionship, but lack of women(eg some people turn gay in prison, but straight after leaving) or fear of women (eg China Emperor Liou Ean 210BC-188BC,)
Tess, No one is born Gay, is there GAY genes? In Biology, genetic expressions are timed, meaning not all genes are expressed at the same time. What happened if the testis in three months old baby is functional? testosterone is active, adult penis?
For the record, there are cases where a pair of twins, one is gay, the other is straight
Yes, you're correct Peter, These are identical twins same genetic constitution(G), yet different phenotypes(P), the Environment had played an important role in the, P= G+E+GE, and GE interaction is crucial in the final expression of sex genes..
Actually Rodrigo, there is evidence that people are born gay. Nobody choses to be gay. Gay teems are devastated and take their lives because they are gay. They didn't chose that.
That is still psychology. Each human has a different different default psychology setting, as a result of DNA. There isn't an exact gay gene. But people certain psych default setting, are more likely to be gay, then others.
Yes, Tess, after acquired experiences, there are predisposing factors (E). Others by a mutation in sex cells that occurred before and after fertilization, altered sexual expression and formation of the sex organ, even human Hermaphrodite?
1Although the question don't agree with the gay right slogan "gay not choice, it didn't say its wrong 2If you feel, if gay is a choice, then it is wrong, isn't you the one with problem? 3The question discus sexual orientation, please stay on topic
There are very few studies into this till recently, so academic knowledge of the topic is limited, We know personality is DNA + environment. So, we know there are at least, 2 main factor relate to why people are straight or gay.
1Disagree with gay right slogan 'gay not choice" don't= pro Catholic anti gay view. 2"gay not choice" slogan is to deal with Catholic bully. 3 please don't mix academic interest in sexual orientation, with western gay vs Catholic war. Thanks you
How many gay people have to tell you they didn't choose to be gay, for you to believe that it's not a choice? Can you make yourself gay, peter? Try it. If you can't, why assume we can make ourselves straight?
Cause, we know personality is DNA+environment. And although some people are 110% gay or straight, some, (especially amount women) get complex, I've heard gay women in straight relationship and straight women in gay relationship. Twins 1gay 1straight
Again - personality and sexual orientation are different. Yes, it is complex, and you are trying to oversimplify it and then generalise it to all. Again - sources for yr facts.
sexual orientation is a part of personality. personality is who u are on a psych status, psyhc status in product of ur mind, it include DNA default setting and environmental factor.
Sources, Peter. How hard is it? Hell, write a hub with sources + I'll read it.U r oversimplifing, then generalising it 2 the gay population. Sure, they R combined in part, but they R also different - not all gay people have similar personalities etc.
1 Gave you a more credible source above 2 Never said all gay people have same DNA or environmental personality, varies with people eg some people become prison gay, using feminine looking men to substitute women, other don't
Thanks, unfortunately, despite question ask for intellect discussion on psych of sexual orientation. Its dominate by none sense of those offended by fact that human behavior is of one's psychic(i'm guessing gay), a truly sad behavior.to see
But can you actually prove that somebody chooses to be gay? You keep saying it is one's psychic but I see no proof
Psychology dictionary definition: 1. the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behaviour in a given context. 2. the mental characteristics or attitude of a person or group.
But DNA default personality is still psychology, its how biology influence mind, thus, psychology. And there are record of psychology been alter from default setting, especially amount transexuals.(Gay DO NOT need to alter mind to be straight)
I guess you could look at psychology as biology to an extent, but it's not synonymous with genetics. Having blonde hair is biology and genetics, but it's not psychology. And altering the DNA of living humans isn't really feasible right now anyway.
psychology definition:(the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behavior in a given context.) So, if it has an influence on the human mind, it fall under the category of psychology, :) PS: https://www.psych
Just had a thought - your theory has been disproven already - homosexuality was removed from the DSM manuals after DSM 3 because they found it was NOT a psychological condition. Now all yr talk re psychology - I'm gathering you'll know what DSM is.
DSM=Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, am I correct? Just because something isn't mental disorder, don't mean it isn't psychology. I think saying gay=DSM, is just more Catholic discrimination
Ahhh...then, you should look up the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) - they are now up to DSM V (5). Also the ICD 10 is similar. All psychological disorders are in them. Homosexuality is not.
Not all psychology is mental disorder E.g. I love strawberry favor dessert my entire life(always order that favor as 1st choice), that is part of my psychology too, but is that mental illness? no.
"Psychology" is knowledge of... or understanding of.... It's not a thing or a condition you possess.
Psychology dictionary definition: 1. the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behaviour in a given context. 2. the mental characteristics or attitude of a person or group.
There is no chance of turning a straight person Gay. The sexual act has nothing to do with the internal attraction. Just look at Porno Stars. They can do Gay scenes and still not be attracted to members of the same sex or seek them out. Same for Gay.
Actually it is possible, eg some gay people have a high level of dislike towards people of other sex, to an extend they want nothing to do with them, but still have a desire of sexual companionship, some use people of same gender as substitution
psychology definition:(the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behavior in a given context.) influencing factors including DNA&environment. Thus, why people are gay or straight, fall under psychology
You imply that sexuality can be changed. A straight person can not become gay, neither can a gay person become straight. Sexuality is not a learned behaviour and can't be turned off at the flick of a switch.
There are cases of gay turn straight and straight turn gay. But study on it is little, so, we don't know how to change at will. Problem is Christian extremists believe gay is wrong and want to persecute them.
The problem is with those cases, 9 times out of 10 they were gay or bi to begin with, but were not aware of it. I understand your analysis,but some people do not discover their true sexuality until they are much older; some never do and some have.
Look, I got nothing against gays. But "gay not choice" is political slogan against Catholic gay hater. Outside politic we should be academic. Psych is DNA+environment, evidence by people change, so gay turn straight, straight turn gay, possible
We really don't have a choice about our sexuality.
Think about it, when you woke up this morning, did you decide to be the sexuality you are now? Or not? Yes I agree with being academic and I truly understand that your opinion is different to mine.
I still think its possible because changing people's psych is proven possible. e.g. in ancient China, they know removing a man's ball and penis remove his sexual desire and all men whom want to be palace servant must have penis removal surgery.
Sorry to interrupt but you fail there. Removing a persons sexual organs does not remove sexual desire because a male to female trans sexual can still have sex. I suggest you do your research Peter.
Na, you are wrong. http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/... as for the sex change people...well...you need to ask doctors, why they still have sex drive.
You can't base your evidence on a go ask joe bloggs site.
You need to research proper things from universities
I suggest you research
Not much high standard info on castrated men's sexual desire. This one end with .edu, should be credible, best I can find on short notice. Most other site on the topic, more or less speak of same, including modern men castrated. I'll read ur link
Good luck with your quest and search Peter. I may not agree with you, but I am willing to agree to disagree with you. But I would suggest you research a lot more. There is a lot more information out there. Make it a quest, gather infoand research.
Thanks for the response. To anyone who would leave a comment, in response to qeyler statement here, please keep it academic. Any comment that bring the Catholic vs gay war into the matter, would be deleted.
Yes, that's true, very interesting threads and we may never reach a consensus in this, but what is important is the knowledge gained from the discussion.There's a lot to know,.HP has provided us the venue, the more the better, right? Nice discussion!
Yeah... that's not really how clinical depression works....
It's also not how genetically fat works either.
Clinical Depression is not the same as situational depression. You can control the situational depression, but it takes medication to help the body get back to balance when you are clinically depressed.
Situational depression is normal, pretty much everyone experiences it at some point. Clinical depression is related to genetics.
If the question have undoubt reason to believe any below comment is not product of an actual academic scientific discussion, but to serve a debate that push for a political view in regards to homosexuality (pro or against) it would be deleted
So, family of 8 - parents straight, 7 siblings all straight, one gay Same environment, same upbringing. No psychological issues at all.
Can you tell me how what works with yr theory of psychological and environmental cause?
[family of 8 - parents straight, 7 siblings all straight, one gay Same environment ] Wasn't aware of this comment till today: Different people respond differently to same situation. Eg in prison, some people become prison gay, but not everybody
Peter - thats an easy cop out - yet nothing in situation would have caused. Could it also be that it has nothing to do with psychology (or at least very little), and that the 1 of 8 in the family is simply born that way? SOmething to think on..yes?
There is a biological basis for being Gay, it could even start before fertilization, depictive Sex Chromosome (Parental X and Y) by mutation and favored by E. Females who are alcoholic and smokers tend to have chromosomal breakage than normal females
That is still psych, as we said, DNA default setting is still psychology. Or maybe put it more elegantly, biology, influence psychology. But that is still psychology. That's why sometime surgery and medicine could alter a person's psychological state
So, Peter - if biology influences psychology - and u claim gay-ness is psychologically based - aren't you just saying that being gay is biological - as biology affected the way in which 1 of 8 responded to upbringing? Which would make it unchangable.
Well, from the beginning I always say been gay is psych, never say is it bio influence, environmental influence or both. Only say psych is result of bio and environmental influence and with enough knowledge, we can change person's psych
I doubt if you can change a person's psych, even with med'l intervention, once matured it's already fixed. I've seen gay men lead a "normal life", wife, and children but when opportunity come they return to the old behavior (latent), it's their ID.
Actually, u can. For example, check out these 2 articles today https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex... https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q...
Peter, I visited the 2 sites you recommended, we are looking at articles on Psych-changing Gay to Straight? that's what you mean? Just give me the citation-Author and Title. Thanks
The point I am trying to make with these two example, is that a person's psychology status can be change, via surgery, medicine and counseling. Look up "Response Shaping Process" on google too, this is a good example
Maybe too broad but can it be possible to use Hypnosis to erase one's memory clean and start over again?
Peter - when you mention surgery - what do you mean? Looking at yr original question info - you are talking about people who rchanging gender - so sex change? If so, u r confusing transgender with gay, gender identity with orientation. Very different
Well, it is an experiment worth trying. Now we just need a few volunteer to participate in the study
I think its possible, I've seen gay men, who claim their gayness is contribute by childhood trauma with other sex. I don't think all people would turn gay as result, cause 50% personality is DNA and 50% environment, but I think it apply to some.
Do you need an anatomy lesson? Why do you think that it is "awesome" to produce babies? Love between people isn't about reproduction. It's about sharing your life together.
Sorry, not sure I can do anything about it. Maybe write it on blogger and then past a hyper link on the comment section here :)
Thanks Peter565 for the efforts, my thread is supposed to be a rejoinder to your comments 36 hours ago, I found the missing thread in another Hub,16 months ago by Ladyweight. I thought I was answering your Q, but the Q below instead. Sorry for this!