It makes no sense to me that we can worry about animals but never give a thought to these living human beings. How can that be? How many of these babies are torn apart or pulled out and chopped in parts before they breath air and people act as if it is perfectly OK, even a good thing? How can a whole political party try to win a campaign assuring woman they can do this all they want to and have people cheering? Is there no shame in murder? No crime? Has the world gone mad? Is this like terrorists to the unborn child? Will we get to know their horror and remember when we had no pity for them?
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Wonderfully said, Lisa!
They are chopping off little body parts; aren't they? You know they are. I think you should take it up with God who is the giver of all life. He will decide in the end and not to each his own. What religion is that? Well, some know.
Thank you Lisa. Why do some people atavistically believe that embryos/fetuses are sentient when they AREN'T.......
Well, if your god wanted abortions to stop, I'm sure he could stop them. So, yes, leave it all up to god then.
God does not dictate but he puts in all hearts and souls right from wrong it is your choice, yes, & your consequences. I fight for my side, as you do for yours. Here you are making that choice out loud to the whole world.
My "choice" is to campaign for human AND animal rights. But killing a fetus is no different than killing an adult. Death is death, no matter what stage of life you are in. I'm FOR contraception and ANTI war! Best I can do.
I don't believe in your God, so that argument holds no weight with me. Instead of "fighting for your side", how 'bout living your life, and letting everyone else live theirs, according to their own conscience? Stop inflicting your beliefs on others.
A fool says I don't believe in gravity and expects to be able to leap off a cliff and live. Similarly you can say you don't believe in God, but you will not escape judgement. What you believe doesn't make it reality.
Well, perhaps if you'd read before you preach, you'd see I said "I don't believe in YOUR god". What I believe is what I believe, and I don't feel the need to ram it down anyone else's throat, in an attempt to bully them into seeing things my way.
"What you believe doesn't make it reality."
Yes. Absolutely. Please read that back to yourself a few times.
Very well said. I'm all for freedom of choice.
Polly, the reason abortion is legal only within the 12 week time frame, is that within that twelve weeks a spontaneous abortion can & often does occur. Whether or not a woman chooses to abort, it may still have occurred naturally. No way to kno
Perfect answer even though I am a non-vegan Christian. The thing I would add is why stop caring about kids after birth? Many anti-choice people seem to want to end help the poor and funnel public education money to churches.
Those pig and cows don't have our emotional attachment, that's why even some inanimate objects receive better treatment. Try and be satisfied that some animals get a break from our appetite, instead of wishing for unrealistic equality.
Very well said. It's unfortunate that religion has been dragged into it though. What one person believes should not be thrust onto another person, I don't care who you are or what deity you believe in.
Aime...You deserve a hug!
In general why do people just assume they completely own the body they live in, you did not make it, you did not provide the power to make it work, the breath of life,
So like chothing some one let's you wear, is it yours to tear apart? Not yours
K&T, I care for it. I clothe it. I feed it. I take precautions to ensure it survives. Surely, it's MY body, and not anyone else's---and certainly, I have more say about what happens to it, and in it, than any one else on the planet.
Lisa V just because we have something in our possession does not means it is ours,true we use it but not ours,example, the earth we live on and use is not ours, we pay taxes , just stop, then what, the body we use is the same
Just stop breathing.
Polly, what religion are you where your god is opposed to terminating pregnancies?
Good, intelligent answer!
So if someone had destroyed you before your tongue was formed that would be not your right but ours?
Polly - You don't seem to understand that picking a side has nothing to do with actual human rights. NO, we do not have the right to be born. A person must CHOOSE to have a baby or not. It's up to the person to choose! Not you! or some man.
Totally untrue, fetuses have survived outside the womb at various ages. Is a child a human? is an adolescent a human? Are the elderly human? A fetus is nothing more than a developmental stage of a human just like the ones I've mentioned.
Exactly my point, TSAD - All humans will die. What difference does it make to you at what stage they die at? Whether a parent wants to send a child off to die in a war or be aborted is NOT your concern!
Even if it's not considered a human,( which it is, it's proved scientifically) the person who commits abortion is still preventing life, which is just as bad.
Prevention is worth a TON of cure! In both cases - prevent pregnancies = prevent abortions; prevent animal abuse = a better, kinder world. Do both. No need to limit your intelligent actions. Thank you!
The debate has endured for 43 yrs. It's time for a new approach by Pro life that will reduce the number of abortions. Past methods have caused an increase. The obsession for legislation is pathological. BC should be the mantra of the the new right.
I do not oppose birth control and only an idiot would say an unborn human is not a human. The only way around that is they killed it.
If you believe in BC, you have the solution to the issue you raised. Support BC for all who want it and you will get fewer abortions. No need for questions which polarize those who should be working together. ProLife/ProChoice working together for BC
But you don't mind if they tear a small human being apart or cut it into pieces. God help you alright.
Mr. Hunt DIDN'T say that at all. He is saying that animals do have rights like humans do & that no one lifeform is superior to another. Yes, women have the right to reproductive freedom/choice.
I said nothing about kittens and fires; that is just the "wrongs" way of trying to always hide the issue.
I'm saying that whether abortion is legal or not, it has nothing to do with animal cruelty. There is no linkage. Your position that people who are concerned with animal rights are somehow derelict because abortion exists is absurd.
Thank U David. U saved me the time to say the same. I fully understood UR comment's intent the first time! :)
Of course there is a connection. How humans can love animals that God made able to care for themselves (though we have made them dependent on us) better than helpless unborn babies. Make them and murder them over and over as if hell did not exist.
Polly, you're implying that everyone who supports animal rights doesn't care about abortions, which, even if it were true, isn't proven and is a loaded question to begin with. You asked a question you don't want answers to.
Polly is no different than 90% of those who ask Q's..The Ans. wanted is THEIR Ans. no more, no less. Honest, Open, Mature debate is not welcome & not an option. Like a cop interrogation.."Just tell them what they WANT to know!" YOU DID IT!!!
Fetus's holding hands. One dying. One comforting. Yes, even animals care for one another but how many humans do?
This should be Best Answer. Really nails it here. Sike!
Most questions from Polly I've seen never really have any substance behind them, they usually have generalizations, false assumptions and/or fear mongering.
I guess there is not fear for these unborn humans? You could have been one of them you know; maybe even should have been, then you might get it.
There would be nothing to "get", a fetus doesn't have a concept of life or living. I know my mom contemplated having an abortion and I'm here now which is great but I wouldn't have known the difference (or anything) had she aborted me.
Polly, that's like me telling you you should be raped or tortured for a week so you can "get it".
Well, difference being you would actually be self aware of everything.
How many animals would you see killed before birth? Are you God? How do you know they don't feel? Why do they suck their thumbs & fingers? Isn't this a comfort mechanism? They have even been shown smiling; what about that? Must be feeling or thin
You tend to not feel things without a nervous system/brain, Polly. News flash I guess.
As for the thumb and smiling bit, usually about how far along of the pregnancy does that happen. How many weeks?
How do I know? Science. The systems and circuits responsible for conscious awareness just aren't there at the stage of development when abortion takes place the vast majority of the time.
How many weeks old do they like for these fetus's to be to harvest the best limb parts? I felt my 1st baby flutter at 8 weeks and isn't it up to 20 weeks women can go? Fully formed, brain, heart, every bit human. Looks like and is human.
Your baby had a fully formed and functioning body at 8 weeks...
That's one super baby right there.
Polly, why does it sound like you have absolutely no idea why abortions are performed?
No, it's not fully formed at 20 weeks, if it were then it would survive outside the womb no problem...and that doesn't happen. Ever.
Here's a better question. Why do Christian women use abortion the most? http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/answer/263...
Because they feel guilty re: using contraception. They feel that doing so makes them "loose" & "not good girls". So they become pregnant &have the abortion because they don't want to shame their families. Simple answer isn't it.
Grace, Sorry but that makes ZERO sense.Feel guilty? Taking birth control is a private matter. No one need KNOW. & if so, the woman should be encouraged! Contraceptives SHAME a family but abortion is better?? What family is this?
Abortion is also a private matter. If a woman isn't married/in a serious relationship and knows her family will judge/disapprove, then she can abort and never have to have the conversation.
Paula, you should read the study "The only just abortion is my abortion". It actually goes into detail about that, and it makes perfect sense. I'm not sure why you think it doesn't? Guilt over their own abortion is normally the reason people assau
Mr. Pearson what an excellent idea.
Mr Pearson I am doing what I have a right to do & if you want to be in forums just take yourself to forums to talk about what you want & I will respond if I want to or won't if I don't. You're not the boss of me as my granddaughter use to say
Exactly Pollyanna, and you're not the boss of anyone else either. Listen to your granddaughter. And I hope your views as strong as they are will never return to haunt you. I find your attitude over bearing and very obtuse.
Very well said! Yes, Polly, quit trying to shame people into making decisions. It's not your place to bully people. Especially into a huge decision like choosing to have a child or not.
I agree with your point about viability. Medicine has advanced, and pushed that date earlier in the pregnancy, but at a certain point, if something cannot survive without being attached to a host, it's not really alive.
Aime,No one can agree on a lot of things that in no way means a life should be sacrificed because they don't agree,and no one can say a fetus doesn't grow into a living human being,a life that will be sacrificed if it is killed.Adoption,no sin!
Why not adoption? The careless mother doesn't want to ruin her figure? She made the mistake (which she claims it is) not the infant, why does she get to choose?
I was off work 4 mnths before my DD b/c of severe SPD. Missed a bunch before that from vomiting. For ppl who can't afford to miss work, it could be a big hit. Not to mention stigma, & whatever other circumstances make it difficult. You don't know
Oh no...it's not like Planned Parenthood did anything. They totally didn't chop up babie parts or anything! So you're wrong, it does happen.
Fardmir, organ harvesting is not the same as mercilessly chopping up babies. Get real.
Well Lm you may disagree if "you" were the fetus getting chopped up & I have information below that proves these fetus's show signs of pain as early as 8 weeks! But I guess that is falsified study too, anything to make ones doing this feel better
You sound very much like you hate women to choose to terminate a pregnancy - why is this? These women are not horrible people who hate babies. Many of them are mothers later on, good mothers. Why all the judgement?
Why should women be allowed to murder babies for their own "convenience"?
It's not just a matter of convenience. Having a baby is kind of a life-changing thing. And not everyone considers it "murdering a baby". Don't get an abortion if you don't agree with it. Let everyone else make their own decisions.
So if I see someone across the street trying to kill someone, I should just let them do it? Is that what you want?
That's not even remotely the same and if you can't see the difference then there's no point in talking to you. If you can't stick to the subject I assume you have nothing intelligent to say about it.
What you're saying is to let people make their own decisions even if it's immoral and wrong. So essentially there's not much difference. In one case, a babie is being murdered and in another an adult is being murdered.
No, because abortion being immoral and wrong is YOUR opinion and a highly debated one. You're free to have your opinion just like everyone else. But why should your opinion dictate someone's life over their own?
I don't want to dictate anyone's life. What I want is to save the lives of those babie who are being killed. How can you not see that abortion is wrong?
Of course you do. You want to tell a woman that she has no choice, no control over what happens to her body, forcing her to make a very public decision to put a baby up for adoption or keep a baby she doesn't want. It's exactly what you want to do.
Women aborts baby: has got rid of an inconvenience. Has killed a baby=death
Women doesn't abort baby: Saved a life.=life
Again, it's not just an "inconvenience". How many babies have you carried to term?
We're talking about life and death. Not just the comfort of a girl who doesn't want to explain why she got pregnant to her parents. Just give the babie up for adoption.
Okay, let's pretend your truth is a universal truth for a second. There are already 400,000 kids in foster care in the US. Add 3,000 babies to that PER DAY. Who's taking care of all these kids? Who's paying for them?
are you seriously using the excuse that there's not enough space for them?
Yes, I seriously am thinking about the practicalities and well-being of one million unwanted children being born every single year in just ONE country. You should be too.
Maybe people should abstain from having sex? Just a suggestion. Be more responsible.
Yep, let's tell women that they can't have or enjoy sex unless they want to reproduce. Good idea. Very practical. Not at all oppressive.
Your argument has changed from it being the women's rights to not having enough space for the children.
It hasn't changed at all. I said let's pretend you're right, what's the next step?
Pretty sure we already went the no sexy time route.
Turns out that increases unwanted pregnancy and STD rates....who knew?
Men should abstain too! It's not oppression, it's common sense!
Common sense to people who don't like to think.
I would agree.
Not having sex unless to reproduce isn't common sense. Humans are sexual beings. Trying to repress that will cause more trouble than it saves. Let's educate about how to properly use birth control & allow women to choose what happens should it fa
Catherine the baby is not called a fetus here but an infant.not born but still infant.
Lu 1:41Well, as Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the infant in her womb leaped, and Elizabeth was filled with holy spirit
KJV uses the word babe not born
Wonder why watching films about what that baby looks like is not a part of getting an abortion? Why is adoption not pushed as way out of all that pain? Who today judges a woman pregnant? Stupid statement! Would less judge her for killing it?
Probably because terrorising a potential mother into keeping a baby she either doesn't want/cannot care for might be considered a form of torture, Polly.
Also, you do realize women feel guilty about putting their kids up for adoption as well right?
Good point Link, there are so many reasons this can happen,
Young people who can not care or raise a child might be put in a force situation by adults, peers, or the male father, the point is life is precious, but people seem to treat it different.
Polly, all your questions are moot in my state. A woman is forced to go through the films, horrible descriptions, etc. In short our legislature has pushed laws through that a woman choosing abortion is terrorized into reconsidering adoption. Happy?
Polly, you are still making assumptions that women who get abortions are idiots. They also explain to you what is happening with the fetus before they abort, and give you plenty of opportunities to change your mind. You are misinformed. Or ignorant.
This is about life and death, not about the convenience of some girl!
They are not that stupid surely. Some people are just robots for these evil people cutting up and selling baby parts and no one could be so stupid to say someone made it all up. Sure glad I am not that moron.
Polly you can't see me, but I'm rolling my eyes. There are too many things to argue over in that comment and no one with any sense to discuss them with.
Right. People like Polly don't write stuff like this for any other reason but to give themselves a soap box for their careless and dangerous ignorance. She spews this stuff like a programmed robot. We need to stop adding fuel to this question.
Catherine , how christians know , then you will find written in the bible that Jesus was announced of his coming through an Angel, but what is more to the subject of your question is Elizabeth who was a cousin she was six months pregnant
My point here specifically is that any person who is a Democrat supports the killing of these unborn babies, plain & simple & even grandmothers I have seen cheering when people like Hillary get them worked up about "Women's Rights" killing th
Pollyanna, WE DEMOCRATS are supporting a woman's reproductive freedom. NO WOMAN should be FORCED to endure a pregnancy nor have an unwanted child, that is BARBARISM!
Polly - if you were forced to have sex, then got pregnant, are you sure you would want to have a rape baby? What if you just don't want children? Why don't you fight for contraception in the first place? You can stop abortions from ever happening!
Forget rape or threat to life, most of us get that. There is too much available today for anyone to get to an abortion point and you all know it. Why not put all this money into getting women fixed? Then they won't be guilty of murder and save all $$
Polly, I'm aware of UR point & clearly U have a right to voice UR opinions. While I have mine too, I don't feel the right nor need to preach to others. Now women DO have a choice & I support rights for ALL.....despite my personal feelings.
Polly. That's why animal rights groups spay and neuter animals, so they won't have to make the hard decision of getting an abortion. I agree. Let's spay and neuter people! Women just don't understand how to keep from getting preggers.
So if you are going on about all foetus' having a right to life, why do you (Polly) differentiate between rape babies + others? Surely, That's hypocritical? I'm pro choice - not my womb? Not my choice - so I'm confused as to yr position.
Well I am sorry Paula but I have the need to stand up for murdered souls, innocent babies and if that is not your calling then that is fine with me. We each have our own calling, I know as everyone should there are too many ways to avoid this.
I am in FULL agreement that the time to be "responsible" is B-4 pregnancy. So many forms of BC available.Both parties need to protect from an unwanted pregnancy. Women suffer the repercussions no matter what they do. So unfair. A volatile topic.
Nobody "supports" killing anyone. Many Dems are pro-choice, meaning women can choose to have an abortion, or not, according to her conscience. If not having one aligns with your beliefs, I support that choice. Now, butt out of mine.
Condoning destruction of a life,can't deny a fetus is living, as a right is sick. If a woman chooses to get pregnant a civil woman would choose adoption over murder.If you want reproductive rights then take responsibility for the life u create
Aborting an unwanted fetus is not new. Ingesting certain herbs will abort a fetus, and have always been used for that purpose throughout history. The only difference presently is that abortion is made legally safer, but is nothing new.
Pollyanna, when is pregnancy not a threat to a woman's life? You do realize about 1200 American women per year don't make it through delivery? More die later of complications like infections, hemorrhaging, post-partum depression.
As threat to life is only way I see it then very early on & even then does woman know she shouldn't get pregnant? Than get fixed & yes most should be forced to have the babies they enjoyed making & adopt out. If raped too & it is stil
.......really hope that doesn't apply to children who are impregnated by their rapists...
So Polly, you think that women who choose to abort should be sterilized? Also, are you aware that in many places, women who decide they don't want children are not generally able to have hysterectomies until the age of 25? And accidents do happen.
Most people would support such a program. It is sad that the stupid Colorado Republicans blocked the program. So typical of the right wing.
Of course I am all for it! Wonder how much the baby slaughterers and sellers would be? Would sure put them out of business. I hope they can educate in the appropriate way too; kids are raised for sex way too young so they should also know control!
Pro lifers claim that eliminating abortions is their primary concern. The example above shows that when given the choice between preventing an abortion and discouraging promiscuity, pro lifers opt for sex control.
Why do you think things like this -- comprehensive sex ed and universal access to birth control -- are not at the forefront of conservative politics then, Polly? Why is outlawing abortion the only option?
My concern is for murdered babies. I'm not part of any group, I can think for myself. Not getting on another train of thought just to please someone else. Let birth control be your burden it just isn't mine' of course it grosses me out woman cant co
Excellent answer my dear!
Excellent point made indeed!
Who helps these infants with their rights? Did they ask to be made and then tortured? I care and I guess many of you don't. Just thought I would check to see who cares besides me. Just interesting how many do care more for animals rights.
I think women make mistakes but two wrongs don't make a right. When they create another being, that being has rights and it is no ones right to kill another human being. Why should that innocent child pay for a woman's careless mishap?
A woman's careless mishap?? You don't really think that all women who abort are just running around sleeping with vagrants without birth control? I'm not sure how to argue women's rights to a person who clearly hates women.
This "mistake" as U say is made by a woman AND a man. A WOMAN"S careless mishap?? Millions of women of faith support a woman's RIGHTS.U want to take their rights away. Tell us Polly, what rights shall we take away from MEN? I'd like to see U TRY!
In general the human seed developed into a fetus, which is already human, just because thing are not finished as nerves
Or other things does not mean they are not human.
People make excuses for killing life, if a rape took place,
that child is Gods
Most, if not all, of her questions are similar.
All of her questions have ......AN AGENDA. OP does belittle, even denigrate opposing viewpoints. That's par for the course!!!!
Link & GM - I suppose some people need validation in their life! Ugh. So sad.
Yes,it is obvious that people who think their own opinions must be correct prefer the questioner have none of her own simply so they can express their answer to the question without any opposing view.Can't stand the heat, go cry to mommy.
SPOT ON, SPOT ON !!!!
Sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your..mouth. Its my choice to speak out & that is what I am doing & how can I force anyone to do anything? PPL like you are just worried some will see the light. I agree it should not be used
What i am trying to tell you, is to choose your battles wisely. It's not your decision to make if another woman wants to get an abortion. That is all i am saying really.
I am saying if a woman has a right to control her body then she also has the responsibility to; it is clear everything on earth has been done to help; there is no excuse for abortions. I can't imagine something sucking it's thumb has no feelings!
embryos can and do suck their thumbs even when their brain is not developed enough to have feelings. It's an involuntary muscle movement like hiccups would be.
Those fighting for women's reproductive rights are fighting to keep contraception - which PREVENTS pregnancy, therefore negating the need for abortion. However, should that fail, one needs options.
Idea! - Men should freeze their sperm, then get a vasectomy. That way they can still have progeny if they want to, but they won't accidentally make women pregnant! Men have the responsibility too to see than there r no unwanted children!
Austinstar, for that last comment in this string, I am renaming you Awesome Austinstar. Excellent idea.
Polly, having an opinion is one thing. But it should at least be an informed opinion. And no, something God says or demands does not count as fact. Back up your question with actual facts before making bold statements like yours.
I gave facts below with the other fetus photo, this baby at 20 weeks lived and also there tells you research shows that 8 week fetus's show signs of pain. Take it or leave it. You got proof otherwise?
There are countless studies all over the internet that could prove either point.
Excellent & enlightened answer. What you have stated is on target, very succinct. The worry is the soul. Many New Agers & other enlightened spiritualists hold this view.
Thanks. Btw, I am not 'New Age'. I think that is just as harmful and tainted as any religion. It came to replace the others that have started losing followers - pretending to be 'the real light'. Every religion has 'truths' but not one has them all.
Catherine, I must say I can't find where Casey ever said that but I've never even heard any pro abortionist make that claim! So your authority is Edgar Casey???Do you even know this about him? http://skepdic.com/cayce.html
I've never met a Christian who believes that nonsense. A soul doesn't grow;it just is.
How do you know when a soul inhabits a body? Your comments are very presumptuous and no, I'm not a Christian. How about some science or proof of your theories?
How do Christians 'know' that a soul enters when it is conceived? I would say that mysterious memories people have had far outweigh a multiple-times-PROVEN man-written fairytale designed to keep masses of people subjugated, confused and divided.
Because Catherine you have started off your question as a religious point of view, so you already are against christians
As you question .
Next as a Christian we consider God's words who delivered the message by an Angel or messenger of the heaven
The problem with your statement is a human view,this is God's,
Lu 1:41Well, as Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the infant in her womb leaped, and Elizabeth was filled with holy spirit
This infant was 6 months unborn, already reconized by GOD,
Replying to a comment about human rights with scripture pretty much makes your reply irrelevant. Many people don't believe in your God, so it's not universal. Human rights are universal.
Lauryn true as you have stated , but a comment was made that people who are christians abort , so my reply was to them,
Your comment also proves you live and make choices with out divine consideration.
Man did not create his own body. He' limited
I absolutely make choices without divine consideration. Instead, I use logic and good sense.
Who made you with the ability, you did not make yourself. Logic and ability is based on your opinion, most people have this but use it wrong, that is why the earth is dying
Nuclear decisions of people who say the same words.
Thank you and I am sure as you know even if ones here twist my words I am saying nothing about abusing animals; simply speaking for souls who cannot speak,,,in this life. Will they face their mother's in another life? Have to wait and see.
In my opinion, there is no difference between killing an unborn baby and beheading an adult human. BOTH are despicable. So, fight for contraception and an end to wars and that will solve the problems.
I have known two women who had abortions years before I met them (we were in a work environment) and both of them, as they matured, had a sense of guilt and trauma about it. But my question has always been, would exchange places with that fetus?
This comment is just 100% untrue. You are basically are saying that anyone who has had an abortion is either some sort of uneducated moron or, for lack of a better word, a whore. Or a deviant! You are completely brainwashed.
In rare cases, people have been known to have MEMORIES of when they came to inhabit a body - and it was LONG AFTER contraception. No one is 'murdering' anyone; and we are NOT 'heartless'. Misinformation abounds to cause these deep divisions.
Lauryn you have to admit this subject touches all sorts of people, believers, and none, and many who do not abort could be of their faith and respect of God who created the human body, while others feel different they abort, by their own laws.
They have formed human features. They move and suck their thumbs and most certainly have a brain.The only thing between them and breathing is oxygen. When we declare someone dead should we then rip them apart? What's the difference? Breathing?
I think, Pollyannalana, that you have a very limited understanding about the actual process of abortion and need to read some sources that aren't strictly pro-life.
..and I think the same about you. I suppose if we knew ahead of time what these humans would turn into we could have no pity...oh but see the government does know...and you play their game; and even push it.
It wouldn't matter to a dead person if they're ripped apart and it doesn't matter to the unborn either. They aren't conscious in any way. Let's worry about the millions of poor children that are already born and provide better for them.
^ that's too logical. People stop being so passionate about children's lives once they're out of the womb. Funny that.
I think we should be able to abort teenage girls
Just the girls?
I believe in fetus rights; that day will come. Murder is murder.
Then fight for contraception! AND animal rights. Do both!
I have always said abortion should not be used for birth control; there is no excuse for a woman getting pregnant & even where there are mistakes there is the morning after pill etc. Ppl want these body parts & we all know it, so it will cont
fetuses are NOT used for body parts! Fetal tissue is discarded. Some of the tissue may be used for medical reasons, but not like you think. It either goes in the trash or is used for research.
I don't think you'll find many people who support the idea of abortion as birth control.
I know a few people who conceived while using birth control. If they're assuming their method of BC is working they won't be taking a morning after pill.
If murder is murder, you'd better be a vegan! And sorry, but until you've been poor enough to have to choose between paying for groceries and buying birth control, you should shut up about there being no excuse for getting pregnant. It's not free!
WELL SAID Lisa, EXTREMELY WELL STATED!
I'm gonna have me some ribs right now!
What a bunch of crap, gm. It's ridiculous to refer to pro- life people as anti-life. That's no more than a progressive's lie. By the way, didn't you just proclaim your contempt for Hillary and Sanders? You're all over the map, girlfriend. Hmmm.
@Savvy:I STAND by my pro-choice stance.One isn't liberal/progressive in everything, GROW UP!. Yes, I am a Liberal Democrat.That DOESN'T mean that I have to LIKE every liberal/progressive-I am a discerning liberal. Liberals aren't monolithic in scope
Grace, you denigrated and slandered all pro-life people You cannot expect those who know the facts about pro-life to roll over and play dead. If you can't handle push-back, then you need to stop misrepresenting entire groups of people.
I stand corrected. Pro-lifers aren't monolithic in scope.
I don't know where you find these evil people. None of my pro-life friends are as wicked as you describe. They love their own children and others' too, and have compassion for poor moms and kids alike.
In general the problem I see is that true people can make choice of a fetus to live or die,
But as examples like a tiny seed, if every seed was destroyed
Could we live , no food would exist, no trees , no plants to make cloths,
The human ,
It only follows that those who are mentally disabled , as well as the elderly who suffer from dementia , should be protected, but are deserving of no rights under the law. Your argument is based on semantics, as such protection implies a "right".
Thank you for proving my point. Mentally disabled and elderly suffering from dementia are humans. Should it not be for disabilities they would participate in the governmental process. Healthy animals in the prime of their existence never will.
Children don't vote or pay taxes, but they have rights. We protect them from abuse, and it's illegal to kill them. Those are the same rights people want for animals.
What governmental process? No, all humans do not participate, and perpetuate tyranny. Speak 4 yourself. I suppose you consider yourself a human. But U, nor anyone else can prove this. And so there is no point in making such a useless distinction..
Last comment as this is getting boring. Children don't vote and pay taxes, but they will eventually. Animals never will. Who bestows rights? What is a right? Who protects these rights? I doubt anyone can give an interesting response. Not impressed.
Ronnie WrenchBiscuit, great point!
Maybe letting animals vote isn't such a terrible idea. I don't want for President anyone who spooks my horse and causes my dog to growl.
So most of you put unborn babies lower than animals that should have no rights and no one to represent them? Interesting.
Why are you trying to push your beliefs down others' throats. YOU are entitled to your opinion and OTHERS to THEIRS. Stop propagandizing, it isn't nice at all.
I really want to think that the doctor being a Catholic has no bearing on her stance.
Call me biased, but the loudest opposers of abortion ive seen tend to be religious.
I am not forcing you to read this, what is your problem? You must have one to come read what you are against & it is my right to write & believe as I want same as you. Go write and advise women to murder their babies if you want. I would neve
How about this question: Why do Christian women have the highest statistics of using abortion? http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/answer/263...
Um. This so-called reputable scientific source is a pro-life website. Not really relevant. Here's some actual science: fetuses don't feel pain until 20 weeks but also don't have the brain connections to register that it is pain until 24 weeks.
Fun Fact! That same test says that grass reacts to pain when being cut. The 'fresh cut grass' scent is the pheromone that they excrete to let other plants know that something bad has happened. So... take that for what you will.
We all were fetuses at one time, we had a beginning, so why not others have what we have.
I really think it is selfish to not want another miracle of life.
I could not have said it better & thank you for the verse for I would not care to bet you at least half the people here all for killing them call themselves Christian. Love to see that video. Proves animals not only have more love but more sense.
Pollyanna I am sorry that you have some negatively on this subject, it could be that people have experience what you are speaking up for,but understand that the heart can be filled with deep seated beliefs, that only God can cure.Wonderful you care
They could adopt them out clearly as the only option and it is still as free. What is a little pain to them compared to murder to the unborn child which is what it is. Why should their mistake hurt anyone else?
Pollyannalana, you didn't really want an answer to this question because you already have a belief that cannot be changed - that abortion is murder of a child. If the rest of us saw it that way; or if that was actually the case - you would be right.
Just because murder of these unborn babies is not illegal does not make it right, Catherine & I have a hard time seeing how any human can make themselves believe that. Yes I do want your answer, I want people who would do this to utter those word
Adopting children out is free?
Maybe for the mother I guess. It's hardly free to provide for said adopted out child for the next x amount of years.
If you can sell people on the idea higher taxes helps adoption and foster places, by all means.
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