Most definitely, God determines what gender you will be. Even if you are an atheist, you have to admit that something made you a man or a woman, with male or female parts. Is it up to you to decide you can be whatever you want to be? Is society always correct?
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I love this answer. This is what *I* consider to be a really good Christian attitude - and it includes love regardless of 'sin' along with TRUST in God. This should be a 'normal' Christian response; but as it stands so alone - it is brilliant. Thanks
DITTO !! and Amen. Besarian.....You're a real example of what Christianity is. What Christ means for it to be. Bless you.
There's nothing Christianly about any of you views. Abortion is plainly murdered. You would have been killed if you were aborted. If you really read the bible, then you'd know that means you would be judged at the same level which it state next.
Haven't gotten to the part yet, but didn't God perform abortions himself by ripping babies out the womb or something...
Any way you slice it abortion is the taking of innocent human-life for selfish reasons.
I hope Kevin you've learned your lesson. Link knows all about God and though he believes God is a fairy tale, his words, he is quick to invoke a fairy tale to make his argument. If he knew anything about God he'd be shaking in his boots.
I was talking to William who mentioned something about actually reading the Bible, which means to me he takes it seriously.
Then I mentioned something that is in the bible which he should also take seriously to see his view. See how that works Tsad?
Thething is Link you know nothing of what is in the Bible,as evidenced by the fact you believe it is a fairy tale.If Kevin is so stupid as to believe a fairy tale logic does not dictate that you use a fairytale to convince him otherwise.
I guess. We'll just ignore the multitude of former (devout) christians now atheists who literally spent a portion of their life reading and studying the Bible and just say they knew nothing about it either.
Multitude? You are delusional! The Multitudes are on the side of believing in God and the Bible. Only 2 percent of the general population identifies as atheist and the vast majority of them have not seriously studied the Bible. Delusional
I don't know why you thought I meant that in terms of a majority, rather than just alot of people.
It is funny you seem capable of speaking about other people's knowledge on the sole basis of them not agreeing with you about god though.
I suggest you look up the meaning of multitude.by any measure what you said is not a multitude as I demonstrated a fraction of2% is not a multitude compared to believers who are a multitude,I never said anything about majorities,Payattention
Have you read the bible cover to cover, Tsad? If you did, you may become part of that multitude....
Then its a good thing I wasn't comparing the number of atheists to theists.
Multitude - a large number/a large number of people.
2% of 318 million people is 6 million.
Damn, you're right Tsad, 6 million sure is a small standalone number.
I've read the Bible&I study it which is something I know you do not do.Anyone can read &get nothing from what is read especially if they don't believe what they are reading.Moreintelligent people than uorI believe it,ushd listen why they do.
As a born-again believer for over 37yr I just took my wife to see "Risen" today and found no fault with it. Much better than "Noah" or "Gods & Kings". Nicholas Cage in " Left Behind" was pretty good.
Does that apply to those more intelligent than us who do not believe?
Link,a stupid person(since you like that word so much)knows statistics are relative.To reference a tiny fraction of 6 million people as a multitude against hundreds of millions who believe in God doesn't win your debate,it demonstrates delusion.
Guess you missed the part where I said I wasn't comparing the number to anything, though even if I was it still wouldn't change the fact that 6 million is still considered a "large number" and falls under the definition of multitude...
Guess you missed the part where I demonstrated that your "multitude" doesn't have a chance in hell of proving any point you were trying to make when it is meaningless in terms of numbers of atheists vrs numbers of believers in God.
Sure sure, you da boss Tsad.
Should I busy myself pretending I didn't have to correct you about the meaning of words and numbers and talk about something else then? Nice weather these days.
You know what's wrong with you Link. Atheists don't have no songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmwAD7nHqaY
Darn, ya got me.
I'll just have to rely on atheist comedians and philosophers to fill the atheist musical void...
The 2009 American Religious Identification Survey reported that up the 18.4% of americans are atheists, agnostics, or unsure on the existence of god. Some other surveys suggest that up to 9% of the WORLD population is irreligious.
So much for 2%..
Just because all your friends think it would be a good idea to jump off a building doesn't make it a good idea. Jesus Christ is Lord of all forever. He will give you a whole new life, forgiveness & eternal salvation. Ephesians 6:12
BM,do u always interject smoke&mirrors into discussions?We were discussing Links's "multitude of former...Christians now atheists who,,,spent...their life reading&studying the Bible"a minuscule fraction of atheists,not agnostics or confused.
Considering that about 60 years ago the majority of americans professed a Christian faith, these modern atheists had to come from somewhere. It is not likely that only 2% of these american atheists were subject to Christian influence.
Nice try BM,just ignore the straw man you raised& raise another.I guarantee you "former(devout)Christians"(Link's words)who leave the faith for atheism aren't any multitude&likely don't even exist.Devotees would never forsake Christ.
"No one knows a person's heart, only god so when it comes to whether or not he's a Christian who are you (or I) to make that judgement? Where do you draw the line?" -Tsad quote.
...well that flip flop was quick.
"...Judge not lest ye be judged..." comes from the old testament & you are taking it slightly out of context...I say again, SLIGHTLY.
It was meant for Christians not to judge those that are not saved by GOD.
All I was trying to say was that a lot of atheists were former christians, and that "a lot more than 2%" came from a Christian upbringing. And it's safe to say that that number could be considered a "multitude". That's all.
BM,oh really that's all you wanted to say?Well what do you base that on?Is there a poll?a study?Do you interview people&ask questions to verify they even know what a Christian is to start with?U wouldn't know a Christian if God introduced you
I agree with Catherine, your answer is the best answer any Christian could have given.
Yes is everything that each of you understands, right now, the sum of everything you need to know, complete and set in stone, final, unquestionable?
Or are you open to knew knowledge?
Capernius- The OT is the Torah. If it was "meant" for anyone it was meant for Jews. But this quote is from Matthew 7 from N T I'd say the meaning is clear. It doesn't say Judge not other Christians. You interpret it however you like, though.
Johnny come lately, based on the rants I've seen of yours I'd think you are the one who should be asking yourself that question.
Consider how many people have died before they realized they were gay or living in the wrong body!
True. But at the point in life where he made a decision to 'honor' his feelings/gender - what does that say about the choices he made in his past? Were they 'mistakes' because he felt so 'smothered' by society? He/she lives in an accepting city.
Why is it our real names are suddenly so openly bandied about by HubPages?
Good question. That is the reason why I don't use my real name. I don't even use my real first name. HP has always been a bit glitchy. I don't entirely trust them. :)
What in the world does living in the wrong body even mean?! You're a male or a female. You have male and female hormones that make you want to do male and female things. Would you want to say to your parents face and say Why didn't you make me a girl
Catherine..You hit on something VERY vital. Jenner is not representative of the trans community. For 65 yrs, he lived his life as man, married to women & being a DAD. An OLYMPIC ATHLETE. How much more macho does it get? Then BOOM, he's suddenly N
The only reason Jenner waited so long to become a woman is he didn't want to go through menopause. Plus now he can remain legally married to his wife of the same sex.
Prepper...I get that U think UR funny, but UR not at all. When UR not saying something ignorant, you're being nasty & disgusting. You have a filthy mind & a mouth to match. U give Christians a really bad rep! Grow up. U sound like a PUNK!
Mohammed actually married a nine-year-old girl.
Kevin, why have you ignored Paula's comment? I think it is deserving of a sincere reply, not a smug unrelated comment. Really, if you are a Christian why not either explain or show some humility and apologize for what to her seems offensive?
It is all quite serious really as we ARE living in the "last days" and can expect The Rapture at any moment. Crash of the dollar, world war, civil unrest, martial-law, RFID-chips & FEMA camps are right around the corner. I hate Big Brother Obam
Thank U, "T", but I truly don't want an apology. I don't want him to address me directly. His crass, vulgar, insults & snide comments about people he does not know & his judgmental attitude proves to all of us, he only CLAIMS to be Christian.
Sgt. Pepper are you still in the marines and have that macho education or did you actually learn something in life.
Back to the question. Ever wondered why you have female nipples? Man don't breastfeat or do you? A womans character in a mans body.
I don't know about you Peter but my nipples don't look anything like a woman's.
This is why it's so frustrating having to defend Caitlyn Jenner, who is a horrible representation of the trans community and often very antagonistic towards it, despite her ability to provide representation. But people understand soo little.
I feel no obligation nor need to DEFEND Caitlin in particular. The question would have better responded to w/o the picture of Jenner! That was Lolita's sneaky move. Jenner's capable of defending himself Oops HERself.
The fact that youve got niples TSAD is that you started our as a women Including niples and reproductive organ only after 60 days testosteron kicks in and makes you a men if all goes to plan. But nature is not always that straight forward.
Patently false peter(as usual with u)It is the male sperm that determines the sex of the fetus.It's pretty basic genetics,I'd suggest a search using the terms gamete influence,sex embryology,sexual genetics.Your"theory"is totally unproven.
Yes it's the sperm that determines the gender but only after a few weeks when the testosterone comes into play. But the actual blueprint by mammals is female. In terms of hormones we start as a female.
It is not that black and white at all.
"As an atheist, I think all we have is this life." So that is what you "think", but you must admit it is not necessarily the truth.
So have you "thought" about, what if what you "think" is not (as a matter of fact it IS NOT) the truth?
If you're right, won't your loving God torture me forever as cruelly as you could want after I die for not thinking He's real? Is it that you can't wait for God to start the torture so you want it to start now for people who don't believe as you do?
That definitely sounds like paranoia.To begin with it isYOUwho chooses punishment by rejecting God's free gift of eternal life through his son who paid the price forYOURsins.That makes sense even from a sinner's(all are sinners)perspective
There's nothing paranoid about stating that you, TSAD, seem to believe everyone who doesn't think God is real will go to Hell after they die. You don't seem to trust that because you seem to want people punished now for doing things you disagree with
I am merely a messenger,what I said is not what I think,it is the truth as stated in the Word of God.So raise a straw man instead of having an honest discussion,change the subject,&deflect all you want,doesn't change the fact He created u.
gender is every kind of "construct". Not just social, biological, emotional, spiritual, psychological....and etc... and the fact that u say it is a social construct, means that people define ur gender and not just U. So even if u change, ur still U.
Well, yeah, that's sort of the point. People aren't trying to change everything about themselves, they're changing their gender because they feel like a man/woman. That's who they are.
Let me continue...So even if U change, Ur still a man/woman in someones eyes, therefore Ur still you. Like u said Gender is defined by social construct. So U can't really change completely.
They are judgemental bigots who choose to be ignorant of the factors surrounding sexuality and humanity. They think transgendered people must apologize to their god for being born. What hypocrits. Thank you for your clarity of thought here.
And being trans-gender has nothing inherently to do with being homosexual.
There is only one common factor - we are both misunderstood and discriminated against by the ignorant religious bigot.
Alllan, I think you got that backwards, from what I've read of your comments about Christianity YOU are the bigot, an anti Christian bigot.
You betcha' TSAD those who scream against "haters" the loudest are the least tolerant.
Sgt.So telling of U to admit UR a Hater. A hater of the worse kind as U "claim" UR Christianity. What a pathetic moron. Not a single soul has the need to be "tolerated" by the likes of you. U R simply LOST. How dare U judge & condemn. U R a nobod
Paula, no need to bite my head off, I'm just the messenger here sounding the alarm that Kenyan-born Obama is the Antichrist & that goofy Jesuit pope is the False Prophet(aka Peter-the-Roman).
U have repeated that same asinine statement several annoying times. Get some new smut material~your old act has become nauseatingly boring. We GET IT! You hate Obama & the Pope. Aren't you special? U don't have a message. U spew garbage.
I don't understand the birth defect ploy.Why would anyone think a birth defect means they were born with the wrong genitals when I would think the obvious explanation,if you want to go down the defect road,would be a defect in the brain.
Are you aware that the brain is part of the body? Transgender people have a different "brain map" of their bodies, which leads to dysphoria. If you had actually read a study on something you claim to know so much about...
Actually you just agreed with me. You are saying the defect is in the brain not the genitals, so what is your problem, evidently you are agreeing with me while condescendingly criticizing not mine but your own analysis. Make some sense!
Actually no, you just understand the science so poorly that you think that's what's happening. Read a journal, it's not my job to explain brain mapping in 250 characters or less.
I suggest you examine your own brain first.
Considering the fact that I have a well-paying job, 2 degrees and can read journal articles without getting a headache, and hobbies more productive than picking on trans people, I think it's fine. :)
LOL well that says so much for the education system. When you need to boast credentials to make up for obvious shortcoming in your reasoning abilities I need not labor any points though I assure you I can top any credentials you may have.
Whatever makes you feel like your opinion matters, pal.
"T". . What's the matter w/U? Pls remember WHO & what U R & apologize to this woman 4 BULLYING. I can't believe what I'm reading. Stop it. This is painful. PLEASE "T" tell Josephine UR sorry...
Paula, I'm surprised at you, this woman should be apologizing to me. "If you had actually read a study on something you claim to know so much about." "you just understand the science so poorly" Insults before I uttered a word about her brain.
Sigh..I don't know Josephine. I know U & expect better of U. This is about Gender! U R the MAN....step up and be one! There's no crying at HP!
Dear Josephine,it appears someone for whom I have great respect has brought to my attention that I am behaving towards u in a bullying manner.Upon reflection&deep introspection I have concluded that she is right&so I offer my humble apology.
"...can't your god manage to do anything right?" was the best comment I've read all day. Thanks for the laugh!
Then look at other religions. All transgenders attack the people who believe in Christianity. Why not look at every other religion in the world. Does any of them give transgenders the right to change their bodies or be gay? Most certainly not.
William Peniche Jr, please do not speak for me. I am a trans person who certainly does NOT attack people for their Christian beliefs. Don't generalise.
NOT all trans people are anti-Christian, and not all Christians are anti-Trans.
and furthermore....Who the HELL looks to a "religion" to give them the right to do anything? Religions need to stay inside their churches, mosques & synagogues.....Don't call us, we'll call you.
William Peniche Jr. Or maybe God gave them the right. Doesn't the Bible say if thy eye offends thee pluck in out? Well, what if thy sexual organs offend thee? Maybe sexual reassignment can make someone less offended and closer to God?
William, I suggest you try educating yourself. Try this:
Transgender and gender variant people ARE accepted in quite a few world religions. Don't assume all share your narrow views.
The problem with your comments W & L is Christianity is not a religion but the plan of God, everyone's creator&Christianity IS accepting of sinners but NOT the sin.Christ dined with sinners&prostitutes He did not come to call the righteou
TSAD, only Christians believe that Christianity is the plan of God. Muslims don't. Jews don't. Buddhists don't. I don't. It's a religion, just like Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism. If you want to believe otherwise. fine. Not all do.
It ALL comes down to this: Where will YOU spend eternity? In Heaven with the virgin-born Son of God, Jesus the Christ OR in Hell with the Kenyan-born son of a porn-star Obama the Antichrist & his False Prophet Jesuit Pope Francis?
Obama all the way, man.
Lisa you are wrong but Satan agrees with u.No religion makes the claims of Christianity,no religion has a documented savior who lived a sinless life. https://philippians1v21.wordpress.com/why-believe-...
Obama's the son of a porn star?
Learn something new everyday...
Link..consider the twisted source. Snap out of it. The woman had a wild streak. I've never seen nor heard a single thing about porn star activities.Sgt lives in his own sick fantasy world. He uses anything to spew filth & hatred. He's so special.
Link,u haven't seen pics of Obama's mother on DVD 'Dreams From My Real Father'? I haven't seen it, alleges that Barack's real father is left wing poet&Communist party activist Frank Davis& that his mom's marriage was a 'sham' to cover it up
Link..I won't get into details here. All U need do is google Obama's Mother. She had a PhD in anthropology, was raised by a proper & educated family. Some hater of Obama wrote a take on BO's book & "alleged" BO's mother "posed for nude pics.
Okay, so his mom posed for some racy photos. That contributes to him being the anti-Christ along with his (alleged) being born in Kenya? How does that logic work?
Oh there is more! Not saying I buy it but is fascinating and knowing what I know about BO, well It wouldn't surprise me if it was all true! http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news597_obamafathe...
I didn't particularly take it seriously nor do I care all that much to verify.
The Antichrist card was a bit of a red flag there...
I missed that, The Antichrist card? Where was that in the website I gave?
Kevin said it earlier. I tend to ignore most of what anyone says if they go around calling people the Antichrist...
Imagine how things would be going for birther-Trump if his mother had been a porn-model!
Well Sir "T" ~~As U know, I'm no B.O. fan, but I do have a brain & common sense. I went to the link U gave. It reads like more contrived, fictitious, spiteful, outrageous sensationalism CRAP than if it was from a SMUT Rag periodical! Pure BULL.
Still not seeing how having a porn star for a mother somehow would mean Obama is the Antichrist, or anything negative really.
If only my tin foil hat wasn't in the shop...
Link..There is NO connection except in the pea brains of those who R obsessed w/ smear tactics. Clearly such trash had no effect on 2 elections.IMO, attacking family (parents/kids) is the LOWEST level, strictly 4 bottom feeders.I REFUSE 2 stoop.
Somebody should tell that to Sarah Palin's detractors.
Paula,it certainly does fit the paradigm of a smear but I still can't get over resemblance of BO to Frank Davis compared to his father&then there is: http://www.obamareleaseyourrecords.com/2012/06/sno...
Doesn't Palin have a daughter whose had 2 premarital children, while both of them advocate for abstinence...
Who is she? Don't know but she doesn't even hold an office anymore, let alone President of the US.
There is absolutely not a scintilla of resemblance between B.O and EITHER ONE OF THOSE MEN.Utterly Nothing! Not a single similar feature, bone structure..ZERO! B.O looks about as much like Davis or B.O Sr. as I do! no resemblance to his MOM either!
AHA, just as I thought, none of them are his parents, that's why he had to forge a birth certificate. :-) http://www.portablecareerplanning.com/wp-content/u...
At least several biracial men and one Caucasoid have been named as BHO's biological father. Without DNA even the usurper himself doesn't know for sure. Legally the named Kenyan-Brit BHO-Sr is the one that counts. Biblically BHO's the son of Satan.
...so now his father is British?
If feelings more important than parts why mess with parts at all?If you feel like the opposite gender,behaving like the opposite gender should fulfill your needs right?You don't need breasts to"feel"like a woman,ask any mastectomy survivor
I would totally laugh at anyone who tried to tell me what to do or not do with my personal body. I am still flabbergasted that christians think they have a right to interfere with another's life.
Yeah I have to cry when I consider how that baker in Colorado's life was interfered with by a militant homosexual with an axe to grind. Same-sex marriages can NEVER be consummated so they will forever and always remain mere civil-unions.
Right on, Kevin!
Same sex marriage is legal on a federal level...don't quite see how saying it can't ever be consummated makes any sense..
All marriages are civil unions. That's why you need paperwork to prove you are married or divorced. Otherwise, you could just say you are married "in the eyes of your deity" and be done with it.
Consummation means "to come full-circle" by performing the same act, coitus, which brought the participants into existence in the first place. Same-sex couples are incapable of doing that.
I was looking at the complete through pledge/contract definition...which is marriage.
Legally failure to consummate cannot be used as grounds for divorce or annulment of a so-called "same-sex marriage" hence they are only civil-unions called marriages to get the homosexual-militants to shut-up about it.
So non reproductive couples shouldn't get married then Kevin? Older couples? People who don't want children? Infertile couples? Consummation is the act of sexual intercourse - homosexuals can have sex + do = therefore marriage consummated.
Omg, Jacqui -you brought up the notion that same sex couples actually have sex with each other. Their little minds are blown now.
Let me get this straight, Kevin, you don't think gay people have sex? Then what's to get bent out of shape over what they do or don't do if their relationships are non-sexual? Do you also have a problem with asexual people getting married?
Sodomy, cunnilingus, fisting & gerbilling are not the same as "coming full-circle"(consummation).
Kyly, The Sgt. attended the same sex education classes as former Prez Bill Clinton.There's ONE official, approved sex & then "other" sex, that doesn't really qualify as sex "I did not have sex w/ that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Wake up Kyly!
Man, Kevin, you really are one disturbing and twisted dude.
Paula, and where do we find those sex education classes Slick Willie took? I know, those are reserved for Rhodes scholars, or maybe, quite likely, Hiliary, his lying 101 tutor, herself taught them. "Billie dear when they ask you say this..."
I understand when Hillary loses the election, she will sell franchises 4 her "Sex R Us" clinics across the country. The staff of teachers & trainers R Clinton Cronies. Find an app. at VASTwhitwingconspiracy@LiarLiar.edu
LOL, oh btw i researched it, Hiliary couldn't have tutored Willie on lying, she flunked Lying 102, How To Lie and Get Away With It. (So nice to not have to squeeze into 250 characters which seems to really be 245)
I despise the sight of bill,yet I find that I stare at his face, trying like hell to see just a hint of shame, guilt or remorse 4 ALL his sexual misconduct..But no...nothing except sly, snide, elitist bravado, smiling face & lying eyes. Puke.
Kevin, you seem to know a lot about it. Is that from personal experience, reading books/magazines, surfing the Net (i.e. porn), or do you simply guess at what people get up to behind closed doors?
So Alan how exactly is it you came to the conclusion I seem to know a lot about it? Personal experience or just gay-porn?
FYI: man-gravy is the Forbidden Fruit & same-sex marriage is the abomination of desolation.
Hey austinstar, what's up :)
Dwight...."What's up?" Certainly NOT UR I.Q. !! Nor Preppers! UR ignorance is stunning. K.G. "The male pelvic bone is different than a woman's." AND UR POINT IS ??? U merely BABBLE.
Here is the problem with all that, God made you and if you change any part of what he created then you change the course of history in doing so.Even though we all have a CHOICE going against what the creator intended could have serious affects on you
Mark - why do you wear clothes? Didn't your god create you naked? Are you changing history every time you shave? Or trim your toenails? Does getting your appendix removed offend your god? Wow.
Comments need a vote function! You'd get the thumbs up from this trans girl, Austinstar :)
Thank you for saying so. This question was designed to promote hatred and fear. It's ridiculous. I think we should all report it to the moderaters. I suspect this OP has been banned before.
So all the amputees from cancer or other diseases changed the course of history with their decision to not die by going against god's intentional plan to probably make them suffer horridly...
The utter brilliance of it all is so blinding.
People still harp about their gods plan! It's the most horrible plan in the universe. Children dying of poverty, starvation, cancer, car wrecks, everything else. Oh wait. Demons that god can't control are responsible for that plan!
That darn satan guy, making us not believe in god but also making us not believe in him either...ehh...?
Possessed. We're all possessed.
It is a LOT like "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers" and those of us who try to sound the alarm are thought of as crazy. Truth does not change. It is eternal. Kenyan-born Obama IS The Antichrist & this goofy Jesuit pope is his False Prophet. John 3
Well, unlike the transgender people, a hermaphrodite actually is the result of a birth defect, like Siamese twins or someone born with an extra appendage. Why wouldn't they have the right to choose if they so desired?
The male pelvic-bone is distinctly different from the female pelvic-bone. Bruce Jenner will always have a male pelvic-bone even in the grave. One day it will just be the ashes of his male pelvic-bone.
Ah, but some women have androgynous pelvic bones - makes it difficult to give birth, usually requires A c section -but are still women. Pelvic bone does not maketh the man/woman. (Grin)
And, I have to say: I have no reproductive organs. Am I still a woman? If so, something other than breeding parts must make it so.
Wow, LMC. Thanks for trusting us enough to share this information. I guess in this case you'd be......nothing.
Hah! Tell that to the oncologist who took those parts out. He says I'm a woman. That just goes to show that reproductive organs do not make the gender.
Lolita..1st, it's "LISA" not LMC.Ur comment is ignorant. I had 4 kids, then a Hysterectomy. Did I go from a woman to "NOTHING?" No one will ever accuse U of having "a way w/ words!" U might apologize. & EDIT UR Title to drop the "r" from "change.
Flabergasted, Lolita Monroe, you must be a man to make such a stupid remark. Should have guested it earlier by the pseudonym you choose, macho men's wet dream.
As talking about gender change, on the internet you can be any gender you want to be.
Hallmark should make some greeting cards for new parents that say "Congratulations! It is a Boy or Girl".
Ah yes, I know the most defining aspect of my womanhood is my pelvic bone. That really has a significant effect on how I'm perceived by society and live my life. Not the brain. Not the soul. The pelvic bone. Brilliant analysis!
Yes Josephine....LOL......as you can clearly see, prepper is our resident scholar. Doctor of babble.
Only a female pelvic-bone can allow a baby to pass through the birthing canal. The wider hips of a woman provide a handy carrying place for babies as well. Breastfeeding is what God meant breasts for.
My my, however would we WOMEN know anything about our own bodies, if not for Sgt's Anatomy 101 course?! Really Kevin? Ur struggle to come off as being so knowledgeable about so much, has merely resulted in displaying your gross ignorance. Congrats!
Paula, you have to give him credit for how hard he's trying though, right? LOL
Um, frankly Josephine, NO, I don't have to give him credit for anything & I certainly won't. In plain, simple STREET language he's a fucking idiot.
oh oh, best before "I" become the next target of STREET language I have to say I'm done here, good bye and goodnight.
A WISE man knows when to go home. 2 points & Gold star for you.
Thank you, Paula. The amount of hypocritical druggies, borderline illiterate posters and completely ignorant people trying to tell others what to do is just absurd. Get their own lives together and then maybe they get an opinion we'll take seriously.
Elvisa, I think you are correct in every way. One caveat, we don't want people to harm themselves either. But again, it's their body and if they don't want to live in it, it's up to them.
Thank you Austin.
Thank you Dwight.
Suicide suggests that you need/ needed mental help to prevent the unfortunate. Suicide is not a way of life as living transgender is.
Suicide is a valid choice for people who do not want to live in their bodies. It's not a good choice, but that decision is up to the individual, it's not up to anyone else. We might choose to be of help, but their body belongs to them.
Satan is the father of lies and author of confusion.
Satan is neither. He doesn't exist, so....
Whichever organs function best.
Interesting you brought that up. Since male and/or female genitals are now considered to be a birth defect, intersex has to be the normal situation. How long will it be till everyone wants to become intersex?
T~Cut it out! It is not widely nor generally considered a "birth defect." That was mentioned as 1 person's opinion.& intersex does not HAVE 2 B normal. EVERYONE is not transgender nor will they want 2 be intersex. Mostly~ I don't care! Do YOU??
But several people here(I read all the answers)have claimed it to be a birth defect&according to them IT IS but only if you want it to be so theoretically we all can be transgender,depending on our choice of birth defect, male or female.
1-2-3---I'll give you til 10...to beat it, "T". I thought you had already left!
As far as I've read, only 2 people have said sex is a birth defect, and they both specified rather clearly that it's mostly transgenders themselves that view it like that, not that sex is a birth defect on a general level.
Well you didn't read far enough Link, there are three mentions of it as a defect and four if u count my comments.and the rest of your comment is irrelevant.
Who was the third person?
And no the rest is not irrelevant since you feel some compulsive need to lie/misconstrue half of anything told to you.
Unless it was the third person, They didnt say sex in general is a birth defect like you keep claiming.
Really Link,must you always nitpick after you have long lost the argument.Austin star "since your DNA is subject to all kinds of mutations and defects, what difference does it make if you correct some of it to suit your personality..." Happy?
You actually answered a question and it made sense...
Though Im pretty sure she doesn't count it as a defect rather than a mutation, and even if she did she's the only one of the 3 that does so it isn't "several", but seriously kudos. I'm surprised.
Link, you are worse than a nitpicking nagging woman, u sure you aren't transgender?
Nothing nitpicky about it my friend.
You said several people claimed sex was a point blank birth defect and made that the meat of your point.
From what I see thats not the case, and for pointing it out Im a nagging transgender woman...Lol. +1 humor
We live in a fallen world,not the world as God originally created it We see through a glass darkly&can't understand because God's ways are not our ways.If there are mistakes they aren't the consequence of God but of our fallen world.
Nature cannot go wrong?We live in a fallen sinful world, nature is not what it was originally created as by God.Nature therefore does go wrong but is not God&we don't live to please nature but to please God who created us For His Pleasure!
For some, changing genders causes unhappiness and ends in suicide. The media perpetuates the misinformation that transgender regret is rare.http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-re...
Kinda' like how a guilt-ridden woman spends the rest of her life trying to justify an abortion or two.
I guess you can liken mutilating your body to murder of an innocent baby in the womb but the real source of the pain is the hunger in our hearts for God — an empty place in our souls that only He can fill.
"there are no laws that prohibit people...abusing or even killing someone." ? What country do you live in?
You are missing the part where there are no laws to prevent these things based on being transgender, and yes, that does matter within the courts.
You lost me josephine. There are laws that "prohibit people abusing or even killing people." Transgenders are not excluded from these laws..what in the world do you mean?
If you were educated on the law, you would know that hate crime laws and other similar legislation specifically address crime with specific motives, i.e., race, gender, sexuality. Still too complicated?
If you were educated at all you'd realize you make no sense at all.
But for those who don't believe in your God, none of those things are relevant. So you want everyone else to live their lives according to your beliefs and not their own?
Whether you believe in God or not doesn't change anything. He still created all that is. Believe on His Son Jesus for eternal life! Otherwise you will be lost forever like Antichrist Obama & False Prophet Francis. Get ready for the Rapture!
That's your opinion, not an absolute truth. You can live your life according to your beliefs, let other people live their lives according to theirs. Everyone should have the right to make their own choices w/o someone else's religion interfering.
That's just it Aime,Christianity isn't a religion https://philippians1v21.wordpress.com/why-believe-... nor an opinion.Knowingthe truth only a sadist would stand by the wayside& not tell u the truth.
I thank you for your interest in speaking the "truth" to me, but I do not agree with your truth. I think it's my right to decide that for myself, even if you disagree with it. You've had your say, let people do as they will with it.
You imply by what you say that someone isn't letting you"live ur life according to your opinion."Like how is that?you are free to not listen,I don't get why u couch this as if anyone wants control over your life,it's more like ufear the truth.
Well in the context of this question people are literally saying others don't have the right to live their life a certain way because of THEIR version of the truth. That's not okay.
Really? That's not OK? I thought that was called freedom of speech. No one is forcing you to listen or behave against your "opinion" of how to live. Like I said sounds like you are afraid of hearing the truth, people in denial are like that.
Last I checked there were still a whole bunch of people trying to take away the rights of the LGBT community and women in the name of God (ie. their version of the truth). It goes well beyond this conversation & into the real world and no it's no
So now it's not you denied living according to your opinion you want to rail against u r speaking on behalf of the LGBTs. Really? Can you give me one example where LGBT rights have been taken away in the name of God in the real world? I'm all ears.
Ever been in Saudi Arabia? Just to suggest that to be gay is ok could sentence you for life,In the name of God and the scripture.
The church is anti LGBT. The more religious a country is, the more LGBT have problems to be themselves.
So even Peter can't give 1 example here so he refers to Saudi Arabia?like anyone commenting here lives there?Sounds like a lot of bloviating about a non existent problem.Why is that?Has nothing to do with LGBTs,it's just ur denial of the truth
What? That's been the topic THE WHOLE TIME! Literally right there in the title of the question.
I said people *trying* to take away the rights of LGBT. Recent example: Kim Davis & her supporters including Ted Cruz.
Tsad you asked for an example of the real world. Not the real US so naming Saudi Arabia is fair. The fact that most religious people object to LGBT rights tells you the relationship between religion and LGBT. Tense.
Alan Turing comes to mind.
Aime was not talking about a dictatorship in the middleeast.Really,we're talking about America a Democracy in this real world that respects human rights.You have to pick Saudi Arabia?for that matter why didn't you come up with ISIS.So Lame
When I was in the Marines during Vietnam it was discovered we had a homosexual in my platoon. He was loudly ridiculed by our platoon leader, given an undesirable discharge and had to register as a pervert with his hometown police department.
KG..Do not insult the intelligence of fellow-writers here. Only CONVICTED felons (pedophiles & Rapists!) must REGISTER!! Generic perverts are NOT registered!! & gays R NOT perverts!! U have serious issues!! U need to get ready 4 the CAPTURE
Ahh, so that's what shifting the goal post looks like in action...
Link..If your statement is to me, I honestly can't connect it to my comment. Please explain? What goal posts & who shifted them? Something got past me I guess. I'm struggling w/ KG's asinine comments!
The Dude's an enigma!
At this point I'm hoping Kevin is not a real person and just some bored troll.
Oh no not you Paula, I meant Tsad and how Saudi Arabia is very much the real world, yet the example he asked for suddenly changed to having to be something within the US, though there was no prelude that was the requirement.
OK Link..I understand. (U & Tsad stop barking at ea. other!!) UR both nice people just different views.Take a break. breathe.(I should take my own advice)
Aime stop hoping. He's real.I can't say A real WHAT...but sadly, he's real. His POOR wife.
I miss the days when demonic perverts didn't have special rights. They should be ashamed of what they do.
How do you report comments?
I think you have to report the whole question and specify the what and who...
Aime~Right side very top of the page under green "unfollow" tab, U'll see "report." Click it & a box will open. I already tried reporting twice w/ details. Apparently they're BUSY or just not concerned. Don't waste UR precious time.
Don't need to wait for study, here it is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC304307... read conclusions,considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour&psychiatric morbidity than general population.may not suffice as treatment!
We can never regulate morality but we have to fight to remain and to be secular. The argument that we are born to be a certain way always means that those who our born heterosexual have the same argument.
Gender doesn't really have much to do with loving someone.
And chromosomes don't necessarily label one a male or female - '2 x's = female' - err, what about XXY - usually identify as male (usually, not always). Or those who are Intersex - have both external genitalia. I like your answer this
The purpose of my post was to point out how ambiguous the concept of gender can be. It can be hard to truly define what gender is, as some people can have both sexual organs (as you pointed out) and some can have uncommon chromosome patterns (XXY).
BM - I was agreeing with you (250 characters sucks...)
Hard to accept these days but as it has been for THOUSANDS of years a woman's place is still in the home.
A woman's place is wherever she wants it to be. Just like a man's.
A mental illness that denies basic reality that toddlers understand and impulse to remove body parts is a severe mental illness.
And the equally high suicide rate of transgenders w/ and w/o surgery proves the problem is not fixed with surgery.
Tamara, what's your point?
The question isn't if having surgery to become transgender fixes the problem.
That's probably a whole other ball game in its own right.
Tamara. Could it be that the high suicide rates are a direct result of bullying and not being accepted by people like...you?
A woman is a woman, and a man is a man. A woman is to look like a man. Every culture and religion in the world say that if you're guy, that's wrong. Nature also clearly states that as well. Very good argument. I totally agree.
Kevin Graham... How offensively sexist can you get?
Sometimes HubPages Answers is like stepping into a time machine and ending up in a mosaic of the most ignorant periods in human history. Reading this comment thread is one of those times.
"We don't give them a hack saw - we lock them up and medicate them." Only because hacksaws are cheap while pharmaceuticals are big business. As soon as the money runs dry they put them out on the street without even a hacksaw.
That isn't what cis gender heterosexual people do. We do tend to flaunt out heterosexuality. The media is extremely hetero-normative. Many cis-hetero males seem to brag about sex all the time. A bit hypocritical imposing rules we don't follow.
What is right and what is wrong. Is bombing a city live on the television (CNN-war Iraq) a right thing to do. Killing people live on tv?
The media is a money making machine.The juicier the story the better. Don't read the news is a solution.
What gives you the right to draw a line regarding someone else's body? It's THEIR body, not yours. It doesn't concern you in any way shape or form! If they want three legs, that does not concern you. Mind your own body.
What exactly is immoral about changing your gender? You kind of just threw that in there completely out of the blue.
Link- I'd imagine because some view it as against "God's will." As in, God made this person male for a reason. Why not ask if all medicine and surgery is against God's will, though? Probably because Christians want their appendix out.
But Phil, whatever do you mean, no self control? It appears that;s precisely what Kaitlin/Bruce did~~TOOK CONTROL OF HER TRUE SELF. How do we judge the mind, heart & soul of another? We shouldn't. WHY do you?
It must have been tough to win gold at the Olympic decathlon and break three world records with no self-control.
Phil,come on...Some women dressed up like a woman are hideous,what's that have to do with anything otherthan beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Had you never known Bruce Jenner&saw"Caitlyn"I doubt you'd have the same reaction.
The person whose entire blog is devoted to drugs talks about self-control... ugh. Hypocrisy and irony abound.
LOL well Josephine, you just explained a whole lot!
I meant self control in the fact that you are trying to be something that is abnormal. Sometimes I have shady thoughts and what ifs about various things, however self control is something that is needed to not act out on things that are silly.
You're implying that people should hide themselves because you think someone embracing something that makes them different than you is "silly"? I'd say you have control issues of your own.
So Aime, you act on all your thoughts and impulses that you know aren't right? Bruce Jenner is an effed up dude. I'm sure he still questions himself daily every time he looks at his penis. Note: He has a penis. That dude is nuts.
And why do you get to decide that being transgender isn't "right"?
I think you'd find that transgendered people felt transitioning was the only thing that WAS right for them. It's not something they do on a whim in a lapse of judgment.
Finding it a little odd Phil how you are equating the shady thoughts you have about whatever to being on the same level as becoming transgender.
I don't think projection usually looks like this, but im no expert on the matter...
Oh..but Link...you've just proven yourself an expert on projection, aka "transference" as known to we legitimate professionals. Welcome aboard!
Mmm...the definition I'm reading doesn't seem to apply at all to my intended barb that has no real meaning behind it.
I donts understandz paula
OK..projection/transference: behavior of a finger point at another 4 the precise fault, shortcoming, fantasy, "desire" U have. What DID u mean? I suppose I read it with a clinical slant. Sorry...U were clever & didn't even know it?? LOL
Well if anything it was to attempt to point out that that's what Phil was doing...
What hes said so far just brings to mind the anti gay people and such who rant and rail against homosexuality, yet are found with male hookers in bathroom stalls...
Woah there Link! I have never been caught in a bathroom stall with a guy. On another note, Of course anybody can do what they want with their body. I just think some things shouldn't be pumped up like it's freakin' amazing. It's all an agenda.
Well by contrast then it's hard to imagine those demonizing it have any less of an agenda...Though I'm not entirely what hidden purpose is behind letting someone choose they want to change has.
Kylyssa disagrees, she thinks your gender is a birth defect, not because medical science has determined that to be the case but because you feel or think that it is. Could it be a birth defect of the brain? What do u think Ken?
Amen! Who is anyone else to try to stop what God could if He wanted to? By and large, transgender people are better off after transition. Not that it's anyone's business, but that should be enough!
That makes no sense.
And you do, Phil? How is that?
People get their physical imperfections and birth defects corrected all the time. Nobody hassles people born without external ears for getting surgeries to construct ears nor do they bother people born with useless extra digits who have them removed.
So you are likening your gender at birth to a birth defect? Then we all might be born with a gender birth defect but won't know until we decide we have it?
Yes, I think sex is a birth defect for people who are transgender. The most important part of a person, the person part of a human being, resides between the ears, not the legs. I lucked out and got a matching brain and body, not everyone is lucky.
Interesting,so if I decide my arm is a birth defect,say my brain tells me I should have been born with wings,you'd be all for me cutting it off.I appreciate that kind of support,you are so empathetic.Others might say the defect is in my brain
Tsad if you can scientifically proof that you're arm is a birth defect then yes you could change your arm into wings and fly to the moon.
If a woman were simply a man with her arm chopped off, your argument might make sense. A woman is a whole and complete person just like a man is and vice versa.
And youPScan scientifically prove gender is a birth defect?(then we all have a birth defect if we whim to claim it?)no difference.That is the question that requires an answer not your spin on it.Kylyssa I've shown you make no sense,whatsoever
Read some science about the subject and you will understand that what we call male or female isn't that straight forward. We all start in the womb as females and during the process of becoming a male a lot can happen. Transgender is not brain problem
Really peter? I have and although different etiologies have been suggested as the cause of transgender identity NONE have been proven definitively.That's why you haven't provided anything to back up what you just said. Nice try.
Firstly, you're undermining God.
Secondly, He clearly states where ones place is in once their gender is set.
Thirdly, He said he gave mankind over to their lusts and wants and free will.
Fourthly, He said he will judge sinners on judgement day.
Of course non have been proven because transgender is not a disease. Just like homosexuality is not a disease. And thus does not belong to the field of etiologies.
William I do not believe in God so to me you're statements are false.
Peter you don;t have a clue about what you are saying. Etiologies aren't diseases, it is the study of the cause or reason for anything like the reason for transgender. Really every time you open your mouth you demonstrate your ignorance.
The cemeteries are full of the the bodies of people who just didn't live long enough to realize they were gay and/or transgender.
In medicine, etiology refers to the many factors coming together to cause an illness. It is normally the focus of epidemiological studies.
It does not only refer to medicine and since we weren't talking about diseases why would you choose that interpretation - I'll tell you why, because I'm right and you have to find some way to make it look like you are right, transparently the case.
It is easier to change your mind and adapt to whichever sex you were born than try to change your physical appearance. What a sick joke transgenderism is.
So if someone came to you tomorrow and said there was a mistake and you were actually born female, you'd have no problem living your life as a woman?
Oh so someone else makes that decision? Someone? lol "If someone came to you tomorrow and said there was a mistake and you were actually born female" I hope you'd tell them where to go and not start cutting off body parts lol
"Chopping off body parts" trivializes the process. It's not a person with a knife and a knee-jerk reaction to feeling feminine one day. It's a surgery after a lifetime of feeling like they're in the wrong body.
Good answer Abhi.
Aime, have a heart. Sgt has no problem livng as an ignoramous, I hope UR comment is other than how it reads.I firmly challenge "someone" to suggest that my female gender was a "mistake." Or could I have been this lucky?? I think I'll keep it!
Excuse meAime,did I say chopping off body parts?I saidSTART CUTTINGoff body partsSTARTINGbegins with the thought&that is what you advocate,going under the knife.Astudy shows people who do that regret it&feel worse.HavingSurgery&u triviali
I don't necessarily advocate everyone who identifies as the opposite gender to get surgery. Not everyone decides to. But I think they should be able to make their own decision under the care of mental health professionals.
And all male babies should be able to decide if they get circumcised. All you can really do is play the cards you've been dealt. That male, or female, pelvic-bone isn't going anywhere.
Paula- what?? Ugh. It was an attempt to say that if you were challenged to live happily as the opposite gender you felt you've always been you probably couldn't just "change your mind" and do it as Sgt suggests.
Well, then I certainly interpreted it wrong. It happens. Sorry. UR comment didn't seem to respond to preppers stupid remark. This whole thread is rather out of the ordinary, don't U think?
And now common sense is "stupid"?
While you do have the right to your opinion, dead-naming Caitlyn Jenner, and attempting your will on women's organizations is a good way to get your posterior handed to you online. Offending trans people and women leaves you with a narrow following.
True but.........I don't know. there just seems to be something rebellious about the thought....HA...HA I have a quick one for U....What if A 40yr Man loves girls under 5, and he finds one that loves him too, (they are happy but are they right??).
Not sure why when it comes to someone changing their own body or appearance one would tie that to committing the crime of being a pedophile child molester, or even statutory rapist.
Gender transition only affects the individual and it's legal.
Dwight---good question! What makes you happy isn't always right!
How do we draw a line between what a person can do and can't?
Who makes the rules?
What the f... Seriously, people? Comparing a transgendered person to a pedophile? That's disturbing and wrong and offensive beyond belief.
Does someone changing their gender result in taking advantage of a minor? No? Then stop talking.
again how do we say what's good and bad, what''s abominable and what's Okay? I'm just asking.........
People with intelligence not on par with a rock should know what consent means, and that there's a proper age for a choice to be made individually...
Again.............How do we know what's good and what's not. Why in some parts of the world one thing is abominable while in the other it's okay...
Soooooo......How do we know when some thing is good from when it's bad?
Amusing that when something goes against the religious norm its suddenly a concern what other parts of the world consider good or bad.
Bare minimum would be to ask if it affects anyone's well being in a physically negative way.
Does someone changing their gender negatively affect you in any way? If not, how about you go ahead and let them decide for themselves whether it's a good or bad thing.
Okay.....so i see u guys aren't going to answer my question....
...second half of my other comment..?
I also answered it.
Aime:u gave me back a question
Link:U said that rational adults can decide 4 themselves
None of this says why a man decides that cockroaches r the best food while another thinks they're bad, because they r both rational person but oppose each other
Good grief. Okay. A person changing something about their own life/body that doesn't hurt anyone else is their own decision. Whether it's good or bad is up to them. You don't like it then you don't do it. Simple.
7 comments above...
If a person does something that DIRECTLY HARMS SOMEONE ELSE (pedophilia) THAN IT IS WRONG. IF SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EFFECT ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE SLIGHTEST (being transgender) THAN IT IS PERFECTLY FINE!!!
Thank U BM, now that's a good answer . Now U R saying that if everyone wants to live 4 themselves not harming anyone but possibly themselves, IT'S OKAY? drugs,cutting yourself, suicide, incest, Bulimia may feel great but should any\everyone do it ?
We go from asking if its okay to alter your gender if theres no negative impact to saying its okay to cut, drug, and starve yourself to death if it feels good?
What a fucking joke some people are if this is really how their thought process works...
Okay Dwight, what are the negative effects of someone changing their gender?
Link: I was trying to point out that not everything that feels good is GOOD.
Aime: A person that tends to not like who they are and respect what they were given, is most times not a character u'd want to emulate.
I'm aware Dwight.
I'm also aware that none of us said that if it feels good it must be okay to do.
Oh okay, so u agree that homosexuality/transgender may not be okay...... ?
I don't know why you have such a difficult time reading Dwight. Didn't really pegg you as a troll.
What negative impact does someone being homosexual or transgender have on their well being or the well being of anyone around them?
Well thanks for the question. Where I'm from my mother works in a health center where many homosexual man has to come in for treatment because of anal displacement and etc...procreation, emotional challenge of loved & friends to adjust etc..
Dwight, have you ever met a transgendered person? I have a transgendered friend and he's one of the happiest, most confident people I know. He likes himself just fine. He just knows he's a man and a not a woman, as he was born.
U know guys, honestly I was avoiding ever debating the issue of homosexuality on HP. There's just too much to say, and nothing that will change.
Anyone can do anything they want (granted).
even if its against nature or god, or any other standard :(
What is anal displacement?
I don't see why procreation would be a major issue for gay couples when adoption for males and artificial insemination for women is a thing.
"Adjusting" wouldn't be a problem for people who's heads aren't in the sand.
"...even if its against god or nature..."
That is called the Naturalistic Fallacy. Just because something isn't "natural", doesn't mean that it is wrong.
Adjustment shouldn't be a problem for homosexuals who have non-bigoted families.
"Don't be who you are because other people might not like it and have to adjust." Aw, what a sweet life lesson.
As far as I'm concerned, being homosexual doesn't have anything to do with this topic.
If you didn't want to talk about homosexuality, I don't know why you brought it up Dwight?
Technically, transgenders are homosexual. A man masquerading as a woman is still a man, and that cannot be changed. So if this "woman" dates men, it's really a man dating a man, at least in God's eyes. They just don't want to believe that.
I didn't say transgenders aren't homosexual.
I said it didn't have anything to do with this topic, as in your question, which asks if its okay to change your gender.
Right, but sometimes when a conversation evolves, it may go off on a tangent, which can be okay.
Some people born with XX chromosomes (genetic females) have been born with male genitalia and vice-versa
If "God" didn't want people to switch genders, than why did he have to make the concept of gender so confusing?
It is very rare that people are born with both genitals. In that case, we'd have to see which of those organs was functional, and the structure of the rest of the body. For example, is there a male pelvic bone? Will breasts develop?
The conversation regressed with the first comment to dashing's response. Then when tried to get back on topic, 1 question by 3 different people gets ignored and suddenly homosexuality comes into the picture.
That's called deflecting...
I think you misunderstood. They have the original genetic blueprints for one gender, but in the womb they develop the "wrong" characteristics for some reason. These people are chromosomally intersex.
Wow....this is what i'm talking about. there's too many politically correct things to say on a topic like this...Because in the world of the atheist boundaries are limited to none, so it doesn't makes sense trying to show them a fence they can't see
Right. It's "Do whatever makes you happy as long as it doesn't hurt someone else or you." No accountability. Everyone makes their own rules. We need rules, whether or not we want to admit it.
...what are you even talking about Dwight?
And Loli FYI, the whole "if it doesn't hurt you or anyone else" is the accountability part...
exactly link......exactly. U can't see the fence
If the fence is too high, it blocks your view.
Get some stilts Dwight...
I just want to note that being politically correct also has nothing to do with the current topic at hand
This isn't going anywhere........these comments aren't enough............
Again no conclusion....
Good question lolita.
Link, U, austinstar and someone called Julie McFarland are persons I'd like have a decent discussion with one day.
If you bothered to stick to the topic and respond to questions, a conclusion may have been reached.
If i remember right, Julie is gay, don't think she would have been too thrilled with most of what you've said so far.
Dwight,from my perspective it looks like you're putting up a fence in the middle of nowhere for the sake of putting up a fence. You guys haven't offered any explanations as to why someone changing their gender is harmful other than "it's not natural"
WOW that explains a Lot of what went on in my last discussion with her.
It's been awhile
But I don't, she's someone i really respect on HP. She always gives me a fair and educational challenge in our debates. In fact she helped enhance my faith.
When did this turn into a discussion on political correctness?
I support LGBT rights because it makes sense to let a person do what feels natural to them, not because I'm afraid not doing so would "offend" somebody.
Agreed, BM. Not to mention I hate it when people throw out "politically correct" like it's a bad thing to not want to disadvantage entire groups of people based on your own superficial opinions.
"What if A 40yr Man loves girls under 5, and he finds one that loves him too"
A five year old is not mature enough. That's why we have laws against that.
She might be only five but she has the body of a nine-year-old.
What is wrong with you?
.........9 year old still isn't mature enough......like did that honestly need to be said? Please be a troll...
Dwight Phoenix, let's keep this in the realm of consenting adults.
Aren't people who change gender Skin-changers? I saw a documentary about Hobbits once and they had evidence about abducted pedophiles by aliens who were indoctrinated by Barbarella. But the gov don't want to make it public. Right Dwight?
I think the world is having a hard time with this equality thing...It's strange because it's self-defeating. If everyone is allowed to express themselves then some of those expressions will be opposing to others..hence where is the equality?
Everyone is allowed to express themselves equally.
That's where it stops. Being allowed to express yourself in whatever way you want doesn't exempt you from any possible consequences afterwards.
Sometimes equality is the very cause for pluralism and wars. A set of people wants to have a festival of dance on sundays and others want a day of quiet on the same day in a small community. they both have the RIGHT, but they contradict each other.
And the next logical step, for civil and open minded people anyway, is compromise.
that's right link......but look at history till now it either never works or never works forever....the truth is that people need rules, limits and boundaries...We can't be allowed to do anything we feel like. compromise==rules.
I'm still trying to figure out where the stupid assumption that atheists have no boundaries/dont need rules comes from.
you're way off Link. this isn't just about atheist or transgender issues. Everyone needs boundaries. If someone believes their actions won't impact the humanity they're wrong. Humans compile humanity and we're all responsible for a better tommorow
And for some of us that 'better tomorrow' means letting people make their own decisions about their own bodies and happiness :D
Guess its a good thing I encouraged people earlier in this thread to do things while considering the consequences then.
Shame you and Loli ignored that to say atheists specifically don't want accountability for their actions...
If your neighbour decides to change gender how will that effect your life Dwight? And because it will effect your life so drastically he/she is not allowed to do it? do you have a justifiable reason to veto such decision?
I don't hate gays, can't stop them and won't try to force them to change. I simply believe that what they are doing is wrong. Now U may believe that gay sex is ok, but is incest,or having sex with a donkey or a cockroach,cause others may see it as ok
You seem to be having s VERY difficult time grasping the concept of consenting adults here, Dwight.
Incest puts potential offspring in danger of birth defects. What danger does gay sex pose to anyone?
So U selected one of the three; incest,which to some consenting adults is okay. And by the way like i said my mother works in the health industry and we've seen too much cases of homosexual men with serious health issues with the anus.Its not natural
The consenting adults reference was in regards to your other examples.
Serious issues with the anus like what? You said "anal displacement" before which is a congenital condition most def not caused by anal sex so perhaps you'd like to try again
Maybe you need to read this:
Oh yes, who wouldn't take the research of a designated Christian right hate group whos primary purpose is to demonize homosexuality at all levels as a legitimate reference.
No bias there...
So are U going to dismiss everything that was said in the article...cause I've witnessed some these events....
In fact we had to have a special group to train workers at my mothers health center how to deal with gay patients.
Pretty much yeah.
Just about everything listed in the article clearly is not limited to only gay people yet it acts as if its exclusive to only then.
To put gay sex in the same sentence as sex with a cockroach is like saying God has the same letters as Dog and they relate to each other. It makes no sense but is insinuating there is a relationship.
Vast majority of sources from ~20yrs ago, education has resulted in a massive decline in HIV since (except for in third world countries, which has nothing to do w/ homosexuality). You think oral sex is unnatural?
I don't mean to be crude, but when someone starts getting excited in the presence of feces...That has to be seen as unnatural and unhealthy...where now are the logical, moral civil thinking adults...again NOT EVERYTHING THAT FEELS GOOD IS GOOD.
And again, no one here has said if it feels good it must immediately be okay to do no questions asked.
Pay attention please Dwight..
About 40% of heterosexual men and women have had anal sex and almost 90% have had oral sex. Lots of heterosexual perverts out there for you to judge, too!
Dwight,I have to say Link is right when he says the cited homosexual activities in that article aren't just limited to homosexuals.Heteros engage in same activities,even eating feces.But that some heteros do it too doesn't make it healthy!
Yeah...I disagree with heterosexuals involving in sexual activities that can harm them as well. Unnatural and unhealthy isn't partial among people of different sexual orientations. If it sounded like I was saying it was I apologize.
Harm is substantially minimized by being smart and using protection. I'd say it's more of a safe sex issue than anything.
Sounds like "grasping" now~.Smoking, drugs, booze, sky diving, Nascar, self mutilation, promiscuity,Unsafe sex~start listing activities potentially UNHEALTHY/Dangerous to the BODY, there's no end.Consequences R ignored.Then what? who? how?
So changing from female to male would be better?
I think it's from the perspective that a guy has to hack off mini me, while a woman doesn't.
Though I don't particularly know what's involved if female to male was the case.
lol. I see... Yeah, I'm sure an extra leg would be just as painful.
This is becoming grotesque & much too graphic. Please tone it down a bit.Must we include surgical procedures? OP! GET this thread BACK ON TRACK.It's UR responsibility. This thing has gone way off track in several bizarre directions.Stick to TOPIC
Bruce Jenner still has something Chastity Bono wants.
Not sure what our First Ladyboy has?
Female to male involves more extensive lower surgery - as a penis can be used for MTF to create the folds etc of vag, but has to be created for FTM from abdo skin etc. still a huge step to take. Some Cis-males think MTF is mad, bcus of 'chopping'
I'm still pissed at my parents for having part of my penis cut-off when I was a mere eight days old. I did a term-paper in college titled "Circumcision: A Solution in Search of a Problem".
Sgt. Prepper, I agree about male circumcision. My son is not circumcised nor will he be unless he decides that he wants to have that done. I did know one adult who had the procedure for cosmetic reasons. He regretted it.
Jesus also said "Let he who is uncircumcised remain uncircumcised!" I blame it on the Catholics and hospitals looking for more easy money from health insurance.
It does affect others when a mentally ill man in a dress walks into the women's bathroom, demanding that they all give up their right to privacy to suit his delusion.
And then it happens in the changing rooms, the showers, women's only spaces ...
My transgendered friend looks like a man and you'd never know he was born a girl if he didn't tell you. No one in a men's bathroom has a clue he's not a man. He's attracted to women so being in a man's change room doesn't mean he's eyeing up dudes.
Hmmm, well if "he" is attracted to women and being a woman why would "he" prefer the men's rest room over the women's? That makes no sense but then neither does wanting to pretend you're a man when you are a woman.
Might just be me, but the bathrooms I use tend to have these nifty things called stalls for privacy.
If my sneaky totally legal but not really spy cameras have told me anything over the years, women's bathrooms have private stalls as well.
There are quite honestly very few things I care less about than if the person peeing in a stall next to me has a vagina or not. Not once have I seen anyone's genitals in a public bathroom.
hm,,, i don't like that think.
I don;t know about the rest of you, but when I'm in the bathroom - I'm not looking at any1 else. Those of you worried about trans people "looking" at you or yrs, what exactly do YOU do in the bathroom to make u think others would be doing the same?
The pieces fall into place...
This is all really incredible macho mentality. Bathroom problems....
A mentally ill man in a dress...scuse me but I have a transgender friend as well and he is an intelligent, sensitive woman who plays very good saxophone. Nothing wrong with that!
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