The first family under a speeded up "surge operation" for refugee resettlement in America, left Jordan Wednesday for Kansas City, MO. Ahmad al-Abboud, his wife and five children are coming as part of a targeted 10,000 people plan set up by President Obama by September 30th..
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A nice compendium most likely contained in Sharia Law as well. It is a 3rd world primitive belief system that is fighting its way into the liberals concepts of non discrimination. In modern society, it is a virus waiting to take control of the host.
The onus is on the immigrants to adapt to the society of the country. By any means, practice their beliefs to their content, but never impose their beliefs on others. If only it's that simple. But it's not
I heard on the news today about how the UK has done all these studies that prove Muslims aren't assimilating and it's really messed up some policy
What absolute nonsense! It is just this sort of ignorant paranoia that causes problems rather than solving them! Yes - all of the above happen in some Muslim societies, but the vast majority of Muslims are moderates.
Todays news - migrants attack border in Greece, migrant rapes, migrant gang violence in Vienna - respectfully John, please take your head out of the sand and see what is happening in Europe - those same people would be coming here
Ignorant paranoia doesn't blow up people, but MUSLIM terrorists do. And when you can't tell the good from the bad, why take a chance. We have our own need citizens that we haven't done a good job of taking care. Charity should begin at home.
More breaking news in Canada that most media continue to ignore; confirmation that "refugee" boys in a Halifax school have been violently assaulting girls and threatening boys on a daily basis. The school has been lying about it.
The Pope trying to score points takes refugee families to the Vatican - wonder what they will steal first - Muslim in a Catholic stronghold
We have homelessness, hunger, and a myriad of other issues right here in our own country - I think we need to focus on helping American Citizens before accepting any refugees from anywhere else - all politics and religion aside.
That's still political. All I'm saying is don't take out your frustrations on the wrong people (the refugees).
When you can't tell a good refugee from a terrorist refugee, why are you oblivious to the threat from these refugees. How many times do I have to remind that it only took 19 muslim terrorists to successfully attack the US. Only 2 in Ca.
Aime ~ CONservative Republicans start WARz with the WRONG Countries and U Expect Rational Solutions and or ANSWERS to Valid Questions? ~ Brad ~ HOW Many LIVES are taken by Domestic "Christian" Terrorists EVERY DAY yet NO Plans to DEPORT them?
It sounds like you should write a hub, and don't forget Vietnam. A war started by democrats and lost by democrats. Specifically LBJ.
There are over 3 million Muslims living in the US who aren't attacking anyone. I don't feel okay with refusing people refuge based on a very, very small % (who weren't even refugees).
Aime, while I can appreciate your sincere caring for these HUMAN BEINGS does your caring carry over to our own homeless situation to include many military veterans? Should we not take care of them too while importing 10,000 more homeless people?
Aime,&what if that tiny percent,which you agree is there,winds up murdering your brother or sister or mother or father, or hundreds of neighbors.Would you then say it was worth the risk even though that door never needed to be opened.
Ralph's first response nailed it.
Hypothetically I could have been born in a part of the world where I needed to flee for my child's safety, too. I like to acknowledge that I've been lucky and not assume the worst about those who haven't.
Iguess I asked a questionAime doesn't wish to answer!Maybe she can't because she doesn't want to give answer that would suggest she cares more for her friends and loved ones than people she doesn't know or else she cares about no1's safety
You gave me a hypothetical and I responded with a hypothetical that weighs more heavily in my mind. I think showing compassion is worth the risk. If I don't have compassion I don't have much.
Nice dodge, u still haven't answered my specific question.What if refugees murder your brother, sister, mother, father, and/or hundreds of neighbors.Would you then say it was worth the risk even though that door never needed to be opened.
That's like asking me if my family died in a car accident on vacation if I would say taking a long road trip for pleasure was worth the risk. Risks exist in EVERYTHING. And I answered your question = "I think compassion is worth the risk".
That is your acceptance of risk, but don't make it a risk for the whole country. There are enough people in the US, that need your compassion. Try to get focus on them first,
I DO (in Canada)! I give my time. I pay a buttload of taxes that go to social assistance that you'll never see me complaining about. And I'm not asking everyone to agree w/ bringing the refugees, I'm asking everyone to not treat THEM poorly b/c of it
The risk of dying in a terrorist attack is laughable. Dying in a terrorist attack is 1 in 25,000,000. you are 14 times more likely to die in your bathtub than in a terrorist attack. So get real please.
Have some compassion.
Ralph, Charity may indeed begin at home but why must it end there? Remember that many Americans are descended from refugees fleeing persecution - perhaps you are one?
John - I'm sorry, but until our issues here are fixed, we need to put world charity on hold.
There are always problems that need to be fixed. It's just a excuse. A country without problems does not exist. If you have a problem sometimes the best thing to do is to help someone else, it feels good to help someone and can fix your own problem.
In Halifax, confirmed, that new "refugee" boys have been violently assaulting girls at an elementary school. The school has been caught lying about it.
They are the "poster children" of the program, and by your response, the effort to pull the wool over people's eyes is working - soon single men will come, bet they won't be on the news though
It is a mistake to assume they have the same attitude towards family we do. This is an area where the culture is one of "martyrdom," where a parent's greatest pride is for their children to become martyrs. Too many "refugees" aren't refugees at all
Muslims throughout history have not shown any indication they want to assimilate into any culture but their own.
Women in Murmansk get molested by refugee men. 51 Muslim men taught a lesson by Russian males. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/russia-muslim-mi...
Great link - Someone is finally letting these "invaders" know that their practices are not welcome.
Ralph I agree with you.
I'm gettin damn sick of all the noise and counter arguments, so I just had to say it.
Probably shouldn't ask a question about it if you're sick of "the noise".
Aime the button pusher...I actually admire that quality in a person, but the noise part just became evident as I read over the comments
Ralph, that used to be the way legal immigration was handled, until Ted Kennedy got involved in '64 I think it was. After that, it became politically incorrect to demand that immigrants be expected to assimilate - it's now cultural suicide.
Thanks, I'm going to do more research and that gives me some direction
Agreed - if you add up the number of young men who left Syria, they could have formed an army more than capable of defeating ISIS and regaining their homeland.
Ralph - It is interesting to me how so many jump on the refugee wagon yet say nothing about all of our own homeless including vets.
By the way, you asked me to write a hub, so I wrote a hub, now the hub ball is in your court my friend.
I agree Mike - the hypocrisy of some people is amazing - it's OK to allow our Vets to live on the streets but demand we import more "homeless" people
It's interesting to me how many people don't say a damn word about the homeless unless arguing about refugees. Often the same people who moan about giving money to anyone other than the middle class.
My wife and I had a homeless Vet live with us in a spare room for almost 9 months while she was recovering from injuries and PTSD - what have you done
I said "many people" not everyone. Good for you, seriously.
Whether you said many or not that isn't what he asked you - what have you done?It's interesting to me how people like you argue about refugees but can't say they do a dam thing about the homeless.
I've volunteered with all kinds of organizations since I was 15, I try to do as much as I can - definitely something I'm passionate about. I'm glad Ralph is doing something, but that's not the norm (something I know having volunteered myself).
So what you have done is"volunteered"to organizations.My experience with that&why I don't do it anymore,is that most volunteers volunteer to satisfy their egos&get recognition for their good intentions, more than to actually help the cause.
Many of these organizations have little connection with the cause. They are money gathering organizations for the charity.
Tsad - a bit cynical of you. I agree that many people do it for the wrong reasons, but nonetheless it still happens. Now the organizations that raise funds are usually giving just a small percentage to the actual cause
Yeahbut, when Aime says things she says with screwed up priorities that if she was honest she wouldn't apply to her own loved ones she fits the boat of the kind of people I've encountered having been on the board of a volunteer organization.
Fair enough - I didn't know you had history
Boy did I ! I had to fight to stop a group of "volunteers" who were trying to take over the board, embezzling money, one hiding the fact he was a convicted rapist. All these "volunteers" fit my observations of what can happen in a volunteer
organization to a tee,which is people who aren't happy with their lot in life,who crave the recognition they can't obtain in their jobs or home life where they consider themselves a nobody,try to be somebody by volunteering.Then they leave
any humility at the door,try to assert themselves&run thingsdriving the truly altruistic volunteers away.I am cynical because I've experienced it first hand,&others I have met have had similar experiences with other organizations
Hadn't thought about there being enough young men to form their own army. You may be right, which is enough reason for me to disapprove of our taking them in. I fear some of the young refugees will go back and fight for ISIS.
The scary party is maybe they won't go back to fight for ISIS, but do it here in America.
Everyone is simply "Speculating" about Accepting Refugees ~ ZERO Proof this Unleashes a WORST Case Scenario ~ But what about "Christians" who are already here & Kill Daily? Do we DEPORT this Religious Denomination to Mitigate the Violence?
AP, you certainly have my permission to deport them. Real Christians don't kill unless it is in self-defense. Have you asked any of these CURRENT MURDERERS not the Crusades or Dark Ages if they are Christians? They may be non-believers in anything.
At Least you are Consistant with your sentiment to begin a MASS-Deportation of the Entire Christian Faith Begining Immediately ~ You are indeed UNIQUE Amongst CONservatives ~ At least you have some CREDIBILITY on the Subject ~ I Admire that ~
Why take a chance. Why are you such a terrorist sympathizer. Aren't the people in the US your first concern?
You are one dark dude, tsad. I'm sorry you have such a bleak view of people, that makes me really sad. You have NO IDEA what my motivation for volunteering is or what my priorities are.
AP, I didn't say deport ALL Christians, just those who claim to be Christian and murder. Neither did I claim to be a conservative. I don't like people of any "faith" who murder. I don't consider murderers to be God-like or faithful. Thank you, truly.
My POINT is that "Christians" have a LONG Documented History of Committing VIOLENT Crimes here in the U.S. yet as a GROUP, you think they should be ALLOWED to stay here ~ 10,000 Syrian Refugees have ZERO History of Violence yet you would BAN them?
AP - we own America they don't -
"Christians" have a LONG Documented History of Committing VIOLENT Crimes here in the U.S? Where is your proof of that? You think you can just say absurd things and people will believe you? You are truly not playing with a full deck of cards.
lol @ TSAD ~ MORE "Republican PRETEND-Land" Nonsense ~ "Denial of REALITY"? ~ Refuse to ACCEPT the FACT that Christans have a LONG Documented HISTORY of "Violent CRIME? lol ~ All I can say is OPEN Up your Browser & READ my friend ~
Actually AP there is a strong correlation between religious affiliation and the volume of violent crime - people believe their God forgives or rewards such behavior. It's not specific to any religion.
AP You said in the US(funny how u dropped that off)& U can't give me one source that supports that assertion.Violence committed in US in the name of Christianity does not qualify as Christians committing violence,they are not Christians.
"Character Limitations", hence the reason for "U.S." deletion ~ So, let me get this straight, an individual in the U.S. who tags himself / herself as a "Chrisitan", then Commits a VIOLENT Crime here, is thereafter NOT a Christian? Martian Maybe?
We need to set up a task force to monitor Martian crime - it's imperative
I have 3 cousins that lived near the Paris bombing. My family survived WWII. We know only too well. People try to say these "refugees" are the new Jews. They are the new Nazis, openly saying they want to kill Jews.
They don't want assimilation; soon they'll be demanding laws be changed to meet their cultish religion and those Socialists will fold and hand over the keys to their nations
Great observation - but I think in order to count they need to be given refugee status which basically legalizes them
Suuuure, because "these muslims"are the first and only muslims in the US. Pft.
Not sure what you are trying to say, but facts do show that Muslims are hardly the poster children of assimilation.
There are already more than 3 million Muslim people in the United States, the vast majority of whom are perfectly happy to live according to American values while still practising their religion.
John, it seems you are unaware of some of the polls done among Muslims in Western countries. Significant numbers - including among those born and raised in Western countries - support ISIL, want sharia law, etc. even to attacking non-Muslims.
Recent data in Canada about 25K recent "refugees": Gov. claimed most refugees rescued from camps. Reality; 90% were already settled elsewhere. Then tried to claim most were professionals English speakers able to work. Opposite is true.
Really, the headlines from Europe everyday - rape, murder, violence, sharia - all due to Migrants. Perhaps you should widen your sources of news gathering - unless you just want to ignore the problem.
I like the way you've stated your arguement - logical, fact based, and seems to be from your heart. Yet, I still am not ready to agree until we have our own house in order.
A house is a never ending project, it's never in order. In the meantime you need friends to build your house. If you don't help others, others won't help you.
But yes, there is a lot to be done to build the house called the USA.
We have plenty of people in need of help here. I stand by my conviction of US citizens first
Nope - tell them to fight for their land instead of coming here
Yes, good answer
The colonists came to escape tyranny, not intolerance / those same colonists would be repelling these invaders with powder and shot
I think the globalist ambitions of Obama override any commit to America's safety or sovereignty - its not about empathy, its about diluting American culture and splitting opinion
So you want more refugees ??
That's what I said. :-)
Why? Why do you want more refugees? How many more?
Do you want them all to come to Puerto Rico?
I wish there wouldn't be any refugee, anywhere. But yes, US should help more people. And I dont mind if they come to PR, for me, they'll be more than welcome.
Why do I want it? That's what good people wish and do, help others in need.
There are millions of American Citizens that need help, apparently not your country? There are more PR in NYC than in the capital of PR.
I guess since your not a real American the dilution of the American culture means little to you
Forget dilution,given the state of the area of the world they are coming from and the fact terrorists have already entered countries as refugees from that area&committed mass murder & maiming of innocent people why open that door ?
What is a real american? LOL
One who puts America first and values and adheres to the Consitution and is a citizen
7 men well dressed, with shoes. 1 woman. Barefoot. Carrying 2 babies, holding the hand of a 3rd child. None of the men help her.
Women are like luggage to these animals
Tin foil hat, you'd better start wearing it, those voices you hear are nuts. Yeah, Trump came from a country full of terrorists who were at war with all western civilizations.
These are Muslims - stop preaching your insane SJW doctrine
lol TSAD ~ "TinFOIL HAT"? ~ A COMPLIMENT I Guess ~ But you Failed to address the Primary ISSUE that "Christians", who either Immigrate here or are "Home Grown", Commit Infinately MORE Violent Acts than any Syrian Refugee has ever DREAMED of.
Wrong! the primary issue here is the security of the country, but what do you cite as evidence of your primary issue, which of course coming from you will never be the security of Americans?
Various SOURCES Including ME ~ Use your Common SENSE ~ Thousands of Homocides Occur each Year in the U.S., and considering the Predominant Religion, or Derivative thereof is "Christian", figure it out, it's Basic Arithmatic ~
Various sources and you can't name one? Why do I bother to even talk to you? You are not from this planet. That is easy to figure out with common sense.
Please...provide us with the link to some real statistics AP - Since guns are legal, why is this an issue? I suggest you open your house and invite these refuges to live with you, after all aid and comfort are your things, right?
lol ~ WHY Bother CITING the OBVIOUS when most CONservative Republicans "DENY & Dismiss" the FACTs, Mathematics, Science etc in favor of FOX Loser Snooze "PRETEND-Land"? Christianity is the Primary Religion here & Domestic Homocide Occurs DAIL
What school did you attend? The question is about Syrian Muslims, not Fox, not any political party, not Christianity
I was NOT "Home Schooled" & believe me, I'm very GRATEFUL for that ~ Someone else mentioned "Security of the COUNTRY" ~ If that's a Priority, WHY is "DRUMPF" Trump going to BLOCK Refugee Entry but NOT DEPORT Christians? ~
Ralph, didn't take long, we've discovered the male version of Leslie!
I was tempted to say it - maybe we should get them together
Just DEALING with the Irrefutable Stubborn FACTs Fellas ~ SORRY if the Actual Evidence Interferes with "Republican PRETEND-Land" ~
Are you Muslim AP? Or Athiest? Oh I forgot, you worship the government. Bet the high priest likes a good little alter boy like you, especially when you bow
Wow. Someone's gone off his meds. 8-O
This man was interviewed an he really wants to be an American - could be a poster child to create the feel good cover for the rest of them?
Gee, do you think any of them would lie about what they really desire? But that is a great example of what our government considers reasonable vetting. Just ask them what they intend to do and believe what they say.
Mike, I don't care if they are good or bad, actually - I just don't want them -America needs to look after Americans before we spend money on foreigners - just ask a homeless Vet how they feel about it
Ralph- How very accepting of you. Why don't we just let them all die? Is that what you want?
Their welfare means nothing to me. As an American, the interests of America come first, second, third, and only
Fardmir,there are people all over the world who need refuge for all kinds of reasons.No matter how many we take are we letting all the rest die?According to your reasoning we are,so I guess we should take them all?We can't let them die,right?
Many countries could care less about the people unless they are in the ruling class. Yet we get involved trying to save them while ignoring our own homeless problems. I'm with Ralph on this, we need to care for our own first.
just left you a comment on that excellent hub Mike
Agreed the government should take care of their people first. But completely ignoring the people who are being killed and dying of starvation? That's a bit extreme.
So it's not extreme to ignore almost all of them?Your definition of extreme is self serving to your point of view which is baseless.Where should the line be drawn to make you"feel"like it's not extreme cause that's all you're about,feelings.
What rationale says I should care about some one 3000 miles away who won't even help their own cause by fighting against the Islamic tyranny ?
This may sound strange, but I feel the same way about dogs. There are dogs in shelters dying every day because nobody will adopt them and take them home. We can't possibly take care of every starving person in the world.
That's it Mike, just proof how "extreme" we are! And what about cats, they need 3 meals a day and shelter.
You got it Tsad.
Mike, would you tell people not to adopt dogs from shelters because they once belonged to someone else? And why bother saving one if some are going to die anyway, right?
Also these are people, not dogs.
I used dogs as an example of a living thing needing help and nobody comes. Besides that, I like dogs more than I like most people.
The fact that terrorists could/are willing too come in with the refugees is a solid reason to require that anyone we do resettle here be fully vetted. If we can do a full background check, then we can let them in. Otherwise, no.
Hxprof that is exactly what should happen. But will it?
OP, I'm afraid that it won't happen that way. There are enough open border fools and folks that really could give a rat's butt (heads in sand) that nothing's going to change for the better. The Minuetmen were the last gasp for secure borders.
I'm all for sopping immigration totally for a food period and cocentrating on developing a better system
The Liberal Plantation needs more workers!!!! They are afraid that Trump will deport the illegals, so they are turning to refugees which are much harder to get rid of.
Obama owns this one.
You mean he can't blame Bush for it?
Yes, that is exactly what I mean.
ISIS and the Syrian refugee problem only happened in Obama's 2nd term. Maybe he should blame Obama of the 1st term.
FYI ~ Just for the RECORD ~ ISIS was BORN from the Rubble of Moron George W Bush's "War of CHOICE" in Iraq ~ 9/11 Occured on George W Bush's Tenure ~ THOUSAND's of OUR Military Sons & Daughters were either Wounded or KILLED under George W BUSH ~
ISIS didn't come out and take geography until Obama was in office. Obama let the US troops out of Iraq. Congress both parties OKed the war. There is enough blame to go around. Maybe even enough to get you.
I knew Bush was the blame, everything is his fault.
The Arab Spring made ISIS
ISIS was nothing credible until Obama pulled the US out of Iraq. We never heard of ISIS during Bush. Syria also happened during Obama. live with it.
I was going to post an answer, but Brad took the words right out of my mouth.
Nope TSAD, Not everything is George W Bush's Fault just 9/11, the Creation & FOSTERING of ISIS, & the "GREAT Recession" which Presient Obama Miraculously PULLED this Country out of ~ A few other DISTASTERs but those are the most Note-WORTHY
You have quite the imagination.
I think the huge amount of debt Obama added should be added to your list AP and of course giving Iran nukes was good too
But Ralph, those too are Bush's fault. If it wasn't for blaming George Bush for everything the Democrats never could have gotten Obama elected.
This might be a stretch, but is it possible that AP and Leslie are one and the same person? Their style of their comments and their interpretation of facts are very parallel.
No, AP is a zealot, Leslie is abrasive
Two peas in a pod of you ask me. There is a tinfoil hat hiding somewhere for both of them.
Yes, agreed that Obummer owns this one. But when it comes to illegal immigration, Bush was a friend to open borders. By association, Bush was a friend of allowing foreign terrorist operatives access to our country. Bush/Obummer: lousy on security
Our leaders have always had the "look the other way" attitude toward illegals, now the problem is out of control and fingers are being pointed, when it's the governments fault, not any party
Totally disagree - don't make the same excuse "it's only a few militants" the entire premise of Muslim life, sharia law, and more - do you want to start wearing a burka? Lose you freedom to speak out? Don't be PC, be an American
Syria has been in crisis for 5 yrs. Now, suddenly, there are millions or "refugees"? Now, suddenly, people notice and care? Aid organizations had been trying to get help for persecuted Christians and Yazidi for years; they are still ignored.
Great point - should be looked into deeper
There is in fact only one belief about Muslims we all need to keep in mind at ALL times: The Radical Extremist Muslims want to KILL all "infidels. The moderate "peaceful Muslims want the Radical Extremist Muslims to kill all infidels." The End