There were ugly comments when Michelle Obama mentioned the irony that slaves building the white house and then her living there. Some consider it racist. Some slaves were descendants of president. Thomas Jefferson's Black ancestors are well documented and accepted by his white ancestors.
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Absolutely, TJ! I'm sure 99.9% of African Americans felt that way. As a teacher, I encouraged students to have vision and take their educations seriously I let them know there was a time when Black people were not permitted to learn to read.
If I'm unable to talk about slavery, I can go back to an 1880 Census that shows my gg grandmother and her sons. Through Ancestry, I met Scott Wilder, a descendant of the slave owner of my ancestors. He is a wonderful man who helped us w/ history.
In the U.S. we have freedom of speech.
You should be able talk about any subject you desire!
Personally speaking I know blacks who hate seeing movies like "The Butler", "12 Years A Slave" or "Selma".
This is especially true of younger blacks.
I should have made this a forum rather than a question so people could elaborate. I will make that transition later today. I hope I don't lose anyone.
More truth about slavery is that there were good people who bought slaves when they could in order to save them from bad conditions. The times were complicated and we need to look at the entire picture according to all facts.
When an educated person in a political position tosses out a one liner that is a complicated issue it will always raise eyebrows and tempers. The Obamas have had 8 years to help mend yet have often chosen to do the opposite.
RTall, I don't know if it is as simple as good people and bad people. We all make choices. I made several when I was young that I will never forget but wish I could. Slavery was not good. Many were convicted of their wrong doing afterward.
The middle class are indentured servants under the federal income tax. Isn't that a form of slavery?
Closing Q&A. To continue discussion, go to Why can't people discuss race in a productive manner?
I hope you don't mind my asking "How do you know what her intent was?' It was 1 sentence. She was smiling and proud. It required nothing of you. She doesn't know you or what you think. I tell my sister "anger about the past won't change it."
The comment to your sister is a good one for any bad situation people have faced, but it leaves a void. Those working to fill that void with truth, understanding, high standards in communication, kindness, and positive opportunities are heroes.
I agree with you Eric. I feel we should care when others hurt. It hurts many white people, even though it comes out as resentment or anger, to talk about. There are Black children that can't relate to it. Many just want to be heard. no space :(
I'm willing to listen. Give us a nugget!
Greg, isn't that what she was saying "There is a big difference between then and now." If she had been born then, she would have been a slave. Today, she is the first lady of the United States, with an ivy league education. Smiling/jubilant?
That's not what I was saying. They fall back on the slavery issue every time. Insinuating it is the fault of the white people today.
Who are "they" and when is "every time." It was inhumane and egregious and it is in the past. Why should white people feel guilty? I guess perception of intent is based on each listener's frame of reference. I was proud of her accomplishment.
"Get over it"??? No one says that about the holocaust!
No white person living today should be so aligned with the actions of their ancestors they feel guilt/need to defend their actions. Slavery is the foundation of institutional racism in U.S.
Sorry if hearing about the history of how the White House was built offends your delicate sensibilities, but in the context of this particular speech, it was quite moving. Get over it.
Dashing has a good point. When I grew up, it was obvious that many white people hated us from snares, pitching, colored fountains/toiletc, and entry to stores through a back store. If history had reported properly there could have been reconciliati
So she shouldn't have said it?
I did not say she shouldn't have said it but because of your question I'm now seeing that the bigger question is what else could she have added to help heal and promote unity, and why did she not?
So what else could she have said? Why do you think she made the statement? I'm asking because I want to know - not being sarcastic. Thank you for your patience.
We admire what these perverts as you refer to them as did, and not who they were personally. Having this black president didn't help the country or the people. the country more divisive, as we have seen this summer. It is not his color but his action
The ends justifies the means? John Wayne Gacy made a lot of little kids happy when he performed as a clown. The German people were literally starving to death before Hitler took control. Perhaps we should celebrate them both.
Brad, do you consider Michelle Obama having not made it? I'm researching Japanese/US rail system. "internal" Do you see AA's at work, in the community, commentators of television? No AA's have made it? That sounds racist. Where do you live?
Racist is being overused and even misapplied. I don't understand what sounds racist, and I don't know "Japanese/US rail system. "internal"" The bulk of AA have not made it compared to groups I mentioned. Lack of achievement isnt Racist,
Slave owners considered slaves less than human. They were listed as property in wills, tax documents, and shipping documents. After they were freed, they were held back by institutional racism/Jim Crow. You say there is an "internal" problem w/ Bl
It was Africans that captured and sold slaves, how about that for irony. Today we have human trafficking which makes US slavery look good in comparison. Why aren't people talking about that today?
U.S. Department of Agriculture data from 2013, which administers welfare, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are Black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.
Is that all Blacks? Before the White House, Michelle's income was 6 figures. Is this now about welfare?
The comment is a general statement just like the one Michelle made to make a point. No mater what you say your comment can be used against you. However, the Obama's have an 8 year track record of missed chances to mend instead of fester wounds.
What could they have said to mend?
Can you explain the design? Nothing before or after it was about slavery.
Slaves were never properly freed nor were they or any of their ancestors allowed to freely assimilate. She should talk to this point rather than make quick and divisive innuendos. I enjoy your insight.
Thank you! I'm really interested in yours. You are saying what I am thinking. If slavery had been in history books, it could have been discussed in classroom rather than hidden; however that didn't fit with mistreatment of Blacks after slavery.