I am not asking this question to be mean. I am just curious. Personally, I know that my ancestors came from Germany. I am satisfied with knowing that. I don't need to know specifics of 100 or 200 years ago. That part of my ancestry doesn't effect my present life as it doesn't effect anyone's lives unless they let it. Some people have a tendency to blame what is happening to them now on what happened 100 or 200 years ago. I am just curious why.
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Wow, poetically stated.
GREG When people don't understand what is happening to them, they look around for an answer, be it God or ancestors. People need to need explain their circumstances.
Genetics doesn't work that way.
There's actually a ton of research that suggests it does work like that especially when it comes to stress. Like the OP said, it's epigenetics.
The Assassins creed video game series is basically an expose on epigenetics.
I agree and understand. I just don't understand why some people seem to think that somehow what happened to their ancestors effects their lives. I think that's more of my question.
The way we are is shaped by what has happened to us in our own lifetimes, decisions we make are a product of that environment. People two hundred or more years ago would not have understood our circumstances, nor the other way round.
Alan, I believe that is the first answer that I have gotten that really understood my question, thank you.
Greg, I don't understand your answer to Alan. Your question was phrased as to why people were concerned, not a professional psychological explanation. As a legal editor, your answer wouldn't hold up in court. LOL
Miz, did you read the explanation of my question below the question?
Yes, I did, and your explanation pertained to you, fine, but your question was simplistic as stated and didn't address social problems like your own explanation did. Mr. B says "fu** what I said, you know what I mean." I guess that's a man thing.
Miz I am sorry if I offended you somehow. But in my explanation I said that I was wanting to know why 100 to 200 years ago effect our lives today. I am sorry if I didn't explain it well enough.
You didn't offend me, Greg. I was just explaining how Mr. B explains a "man thing." Sometimes when people ask a question, the explanation doesn't coordinate with it, and we don't know which to answer.
I agree 100% And I think there is a reason we are pulled into the stories of our ancestors. Historically, People stayed very close to ancestral homes
On some islands around the UK families were inter-bred. The Outer Hebrides were a case in point, with small communities cleared in the early 20th Century for health reasons. Diet and accommodation also had a lot to do with the problems they faced.
Wiccan Sage, I would be very interested in knowing that disease because I have lived in the south my whole life, except for trying the pacific NW once and the East Coast once. YECH. I wonder if that disease makes me like it here. Also very good pt.
I would like to know the name, too. I just lost my son (August 15) to an autoimmune disorder called Henoch Schonlein purpura. Also celiac runs in my family and it comes from the Middle East. Curious as to why southerners would have predisposition.
Most people who say this mean the black people. That whole slavery thing. Why they are not over it.
Native Americans, too. What's left of them. I say them because those of us with Native American blood are diluted and the govt. doesn't recognize us, but if we contained that mix of biracial B&W, we would be classified as black not white.
Name origins usually give a clue as to where someone or their forebears came from. Even within a 'small plot of land' such as England there's diversity that links to Scandinavia, NW Europe and Anglicised versions of Gallic or Gaelic names.
Met a great aunt by accident when looking in a graveyard (West Rounton nr Northallerton) for my great grandmother. By her request there was no stone. I got to know my great aunt and her husband well. Visited a few times, once with the wife and kids
The monetary situation of your parents affects you, yes. However, the DNA ancestry and which country they came from does not affect you. Nobody in Aussie or South Africa or other colonial countries cares where they came from.
Most people have little knowledge or use for any history, and so cultures are doomed to repeat the mistakes of their ancestors for lack of their hard learned knowledge that was allowed to be lost again.
Tessa, most Americans consider themselves African Americans, German Americans, Italian Americans, etc. My ancestors being from Germany, I consider myself American German. I will always be American first.
That's funny because my neighbor is from South Africa and he is having a family tree done and researching his ancestors.
On the other hand your family lost out in the Highland Clearances, but won in the long run by emigrating to the US and Canada... having been blighted by clan chiefs who preferred sheep to crofters. Things weren't much better south of the border.
In the U.S. so many names were Angelicized for convenience of spelling upon entering the U.S. I have a line of Penrods that I thought were English but were German Jews, Ben Racht, or something like that. Research gives us true origins.
The town of Lancaster was entered in Domesday as Loncastre, the burh on the river Lune. The Northumbrian and Mercian Angles knew it as Luneceaster. Versions are Lankester and Lanchester (there is a Lanchester across the Pennines in County Durham).
The interest is stirred up by current TV series, but my mother and grandmother lived and breathed genealogy long before these. They went to courthouses and cemeteries and wrote to distant relatives seeking the links to the family history.
I find your information very interesting, Alan. I guess that's real American of me? LOL A Y-DNA test on my brother revealed that our Scottish progenitor, Johnston, was genetically a Welsh Clendenin. Isn't genealogy fun?
And some people hardly go anywhere, even today. My mother has never lived anywhere more than three miles from the house she was born in, more than 101 years ago!
I guess I asked my question wrong. I was thinking about the way past effecting lives. People hold it against for being Jewish. People complain if someone flies the rebel flag. Slavery is the blame for the situation of the blacks today. The question
What you mention here in this comment Greg, is far removed from the basic premise of the topic of heritage/ancestry study. Two different branches of the same tree, but different nonetheless.
Actually, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, all countries in Africa and South America are also 'young countries.' They have all been founded in the last 200 to 400 years. Only in America does one care about ancestors.
Paula is right! And My husband is as interested in his ancestors as I am in mine, His Ancestors are from Poland, Lithuania, Yugoslavia and we know that at least one of his great, great uncles was a Cossack. I know almost as much about his ancestors.
Shyron..UR smart to take an interest in UR bloodlines/ancestry. Both U & John can glean info vital to many aspects of UR life.Genealogy was a major course of my degree in Behavioral Science. It can be invaluable as well as quite fascinating.
I disagree about only in America people are interested in ancestry....My mom's side of the family live in America, but I got more help with my family tree from my family up in Canada....They cared more about it than the Americans in my experience....
I love your answer R Talloni. It is a lot like my answer referring to the collective unconscious, which is totally fascinating. And Greg, look up "Race". Races amoung humans has been disproved longago
So why is it that in other new world countries who were also occupied by immigrants, we don't care less about who our ancestors were? And we have a very strong sense of identity.
Tessa, I'm not sure I understand your answer the way it is phrased. Can you rephrase, please? "We don't care less" trips me up.
Maybe your neighbors know that you couldn't care less about you ancestors and they just don't talk to you about genealogy.
True, my mother's family was like that. They wouldn't talk about where they came from because "it wasn't important." Maybe mom could have controlled her celiac and not gotten colon cancer if it had been important to them.
Maybe they wouldn't talk about it because they weren't sure how the story 'fitted together'. Often the further back you go your forebears didn't understand the reasoning. Many Huguenots came to London to flee the 'Sun King' and Cardinal Richelieu
Dunno, Alan. Could be. Her maternal ancestor was dumped in America by his father to avoid the rope because he killed a man in a duel. Then daddy sailed back home to Versailles. I love my interesting ancestors.
Louisiana, I hope that you find your ancestors someday. It is very rewarding to learn about them and what they were, do you have cousins in Africa? I wish you luck in finding them. Blessings
@Shyron I don't know if I do. I am Afro Caribbean, I suppose my heritage comes from there, I do know that I have Latin American family and European family and as I am black too I guessed African too. I searched but these documents are hard to find
What my ancestors did, accomplished or failed at, has nothing to do with my life. I am the only one that controls what happens with my life. Except for the ladies that actually found med problems from the past, most are for self interest.
There's a lot of interest in heritage in the UK and Commonwealth countries since - as I've indicated above - the advent of the programme 'Who Do You Think You Are?' There's also an historical link between us here in the UK and Scandinavia/NW Europe
You have to remember, Tessa, America was the European dumping ground as was Australia. We find it interesting why our forefathers may have had to come here.
That's why the DNA test is opening up new avenues for people interested in their heritage. We no longer are dependent on old records like marriage licenses and can find some old secrets.
All DNA tests will tell you is if you're connected physically. Written records - i.e. parish & registrars' records, census, family bibles and documents, military or merchant navy records and ship manifests - will tell a story behind a name.
Thank you, Paula. One thing I'd like to add is that if my mother had known that she had Jewish blood, she would have known that she had celiac disease instead of fighting wheat all her life. I have it, too. Ancestry research could save one's life.
Hi MzB! I'm glad to see I remembered correctly. That proves to me that I really liked your hub & it made an impression on me. Topics of interest! See, Greg?
I have to tell you it irritated the hell out of me when I was living in America and would asked what nationality I was. I would say Germany/South African and be told "Oh, I am German." No, they weren't. They had German ancestors which was irrelevant.
I got my results and I was amazed. It left out the fact that I am American. But I know that is in my ancestry. And it put in UK. Which I know has ancestry from Gaul, Roman and Nordic. So it left out the distant and left out the closest. ????
That is probably true of more people than would like to admit it.
On "Who Do You Think You Are' recently Alexander Armstrong and Matthew Pinsent tracked their line to the 11th Century, to William I. It's a feat of documentation, arms and all. Alex. Armstrong also has links to the Reivers (Border country raiders)
I think every single person, if they want to take the time/money will find at least three famous/infamous people in their lineage. Mariah Carey? Maybe not. Someone rightfully famous. Learn History
Allisha, finally, I am getting answers from people that actually understand my question. Thank you, Greg.
A search into name origins renders mixed results, different across European countries. One of my forebears may have been taken in as a ward of the borough/workhouse when parents died or gave up offspring, unable to cope. Lancaster' is a case in point
What in the World? I actually learned something amazing from this answer. It even had links! Are these answers in order of Best answers or just most repetitive? Do Hubbers actually read?
Don't be sorry. I know my ancestry back to my grandparents. Knowing what happened before that isn't going to effect my life now. Some people tend to think that what happened 100/200 years ago effects there lives today.
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TY. I have read since I asked this question that they now think that, like you said, the DNA may very well carry memory, maybe even skipping 1, 2 or even several generations. They say that might explain child geniuses or gifted talents in children.
I agree with you too. It's there so why not. But it shouldn't effect the way we live today.
No, it should affect the way we live today. But, why not...it is kind of fun.
How can you even imagine that our history doesn't effect us? Just as we are who we are today because of yesterday and last week, month, year, etc., so where we came from, in every sense, has long reaching effects.
Greg, please believe me, it not only should affect our lives in numerous ways, it clearly does. This is part of the reason it is so important that we take an interest in our family history. Bloodline is a vital aspect to so much of who we R, Greg.
C.E. You are 100% correct.
Actually Greg knowing might actually help to improve your/our way of life, and add understanding to many things. Like for instance my son has a rare blood type and his cousin need a transfusion and she also had that same type and he saved her life.
If you are talking about child protective services and foster care, etc, I mean FOSTER CARE, not day care, and YOU care about your kids, (yeah, kids are taken for the WRONG reasons, You cannot just claim your kids. They are State Property. PROPERTY
Gyps, actually, answers to the questions you asked have nothing to do with your life today if you look back at 100 to 200 years ago. You yourself controls the answers to tose estions.
I think there is a longing for many people to know where they came from in part for the reasons you list. Little children start asking that question, and that question sometimes expands as people mature.
There's the link between your Anglicised name and Greg's for a start. A 'Schweizer' or 'schweitzer' (as with the missionary Albert Schweitzer) is someone who herds or droves cattle.
Alan, maybe that explains why I have always had the urge to be a cowboy.
Names are a whole different world from heritage and ancestors. Following names will only lead you down a rabbit hole you may never get out of. Names were changed at the whim of whoever was filling out a form and how bad his spelling was...