Recently Attorney General Loretta Lynch took the 5th p, declining to comply with an investigation by leading members of Congress about the Obama administration’s secret efforts to send Iran $1.7 billion in cash earlier this year, prompting accusations that Lynch has “pleaded the Fifth” Amendment to avoid incriminating herself over these payments. This is taxpayer money and we taxpayers have the right to know.
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Regarding Govt employees' loss of job, retirement, benefits, etc for taking the fifth, the US Sup Ct has ruled it unconstitutional although the DOJ has thumbed its nose at the court for years on this. Full article on topic at goo.gl/zVlNYF .
As usual Tamara, your analysis is direct and correct.
I agree with Michael, however Congress should pass a law that says if you are employed by the gov't & take the fifth you must resign without benefits.After all there are rules gov't employees must follow,why can;t they make that one.
If government employees are citizens and deserve the rights then they also should be punished the same way. They can't have the same rights and then be above the law.
Excellent point Greg.
are citizens punished for taking the 5th???
Nobody said they were.
so, we should make a special law that punishes gvt workers?
Independent here.We distrust ALL politicians.Read Bugliosi's book. I believe 100% Bush shd hve been chged w/ murder (Iraq war) & Cheney shd hve been hung in the Town Sq 4 his blatant THEFT of blood $$. Our Vet's blood. JUSTICE 4 ALL is my mantra.
I do NOT believe that party loyalty should direct how we SEE the truth or facts.Look at the MESS we're in becuz this is what is done. If it's wrong--a crime--oppression--LIES--theft..then it's WRONG. No matter WHO or what party. I'll never falter.
well maybe you understand the total anguish then. having lived through both bushs, and nothing done.but clinton is impeached, and obama and hillary have no respite from investigations. you would think democrats are crooks and republicans pure as snow
Paula, I completely agree that blind party loyalty is a huge part of the reason our government is so corrupt. Many are willing to forgive anything for their party, but condemn everything done by the other party. I don't trust either party.
well, calling an opponent crooked, and you should be in jail, when im elected i will prosecute you. "yay!""lock her up", while hes facing 2 trials...the rift is never going away
LMC...Trump has spent his entire adult life suing people & being sued....accusing people & being accused. Being in a court room & standing before a judge w/ his team of billion $ lawyers~for the Donald, is like a mini Hawaiian vacation.
well, his supporters havent. some outlet, is it breitbart? (would make sense, monetize the hate. so american!) sell t shirts w hillary for prison, hillary is a c* nt, and trump can grab my ***. this frenzy of hate from people with guns is frightening
Leslie are you saying that the hatred from the liberals with guns is not frightening? Many liberals do own guns in case you didn't know that.
i havent seen one liberal threaten to "water the tree of liberty." plenty of rw do. latest being rep joe walsh, and the dumpster trumpster himself
Whatever Leslie. Your mind is made up no matter what.
could anyone change you or paulas mind about hillary? your mind is made up, too.
U R right lmc! Nothing, short of a lobotomy, could make me C HRC as other than AN ugly,crooked,lying,sneaky,greedy, power hungry, back-stabbing,thieving,disingenuous,demonic sociopath she is I knew she was ALL this YRS ago.(NY State!!)
Save UR time listing all DT's flaws. I wouldn't argue w/ U. We're called INDEPENDENTS 4 a reason. Using one's own faculties, intelligence, common sense, reason, research, attentiveness, brutal HONESTY, fair-mindedness & noting the 800 lb. gorilla
What's wrong 4 1 is wrong 4 the other, despite Party! A lie is a lie from either mouth, corruption has the same stench from Libs or R.W'ers. How would anyone not understand this? Unconditional LOVE & loyalty is 4 family only~ NOT POLITICIANS!!
because when you tell us hillary lied, we dont believe you. when we tell you trump lied, you dont believe us. and because since 2000, people who criticize bush are called america and troop haters. people who criticize obama call themselves patriots.
jdavis, here is a NY Law Journal art about term of govt emp who take 5th. goo.gl/zVlNYF. USSC says it's unconstitutional. As you say, they must cooperate with the investigators if they take 5th, but appears term is not allowed. Not so in pvt sector
Many police departments have a policy that any officer who pleads the fifth gets fired. "Bad" officers could lose their job by pleading the fifth, commiting perjury or telling the unvarnished truth. Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
The USSC has ruled specifically regarding police. can't be coerced into waving 5th am rights by threat of losing job. it's done any way. goo.gl/zVlNYF
I like the idea - "we the people" need more information....
How is being caught for her part of an illegal monetization action partisan politics? The funds are not a secret
im talking about the billions your republicans have spent our money on going after their political rivals.
Leslie, that money is already there. I would rather it be spent on 'going after her' than for them sitting around having donuts and Starbucks while waiting for something to happen.
oh i see. well, i disagree. who wins? the party in charge.
If "they're just people like us" then everything should always apply to them the identical way it applies to us ALL the time. When was the last time UR butt was carted in a limo?Who gives U special privileges & treatment? Secret Ser protect us?
i havent had a man protesting outside my office with a gun, either. nor have my private emails been broadcast for the world to see. nor do i receive death threats on my phone, or worry about retribution against my family.
That comes with a the territory - doesn't justify the lavishness
all bad, no good? nah, not unless you want to reign in business ceos who rely on us gvt tax expenditures? make money off us, pay no taxes.
businesses are not government Leslie - private owned enterprises aren't subjected to the same level of scrutiny as those who spend taxpayer dollars
nor do they have to respect the first amendment! what a gig, huh?
and biz spends PLENTY of tax dollars. and they skip out on taxes, thereby raising them for others.
I think most businesses respect Freedom of Speech....not sure why you introduced the 1st AD into your narrative though
hullo...were in a place where a mob can shut your voice. hubpages.
stop playing the blame game - despite HP always at my heels, I'm able to get my message out.
there is not a concerted effort to remove you. but if there was, i wonder if youd then care? it is a freedom of speech issue. mob mentality vs my right to express political views.
#5 You can't take away or deny a citizen's constitutional right, but you can require terms of employment like taking the fifth is grounds for termination and forfeit of all future and accrued benefits, pension, pay, bonuses etc., I think.
"there must be some form of punishment"
sounds familiar. and what IS the punishment "regular" people face for invoking the 5th?
Paula, I like what you wrote. I would like to see more.
DTMB...That would work too!
Leslie..I don't know, but is it fair in UR opinion that they be exempt from what we must adhere to? How R they different or better than the people they work for?
Greg....I guess we can always dream, can't we? It's crazy!
but is there a punishment for us, thats what im asking. if not, how is it fair to punish them?
I didn't mention there should B "punishment" 4 using the 5th. But when any of us DO....or refuse a polygraph, you know that's USED against someone. We all have the right BUT, it always LOOKS bad....implies hiding truth or saving butt. Right?
yes. but there are myriad reasons for anything. gvt in america is looked on as the demon from hell, and people outside who uses it for nefarious gain are seen as "smart". and not by accident."gvt is the problem" is 30 yr propganda
30 yrs~Yes~which is the same 30 yrs UR girl has been involved w/ Gov't. So pls don't say she's not a big part of our mess! & all the others in between I know. So...what U want so passionately is 4 more yrs of the SAME? C'mon leslie.
but she is one who thinks gvt can be a force for good. she has been oppossed to the gvt is bad crowd. and honestly, if i had my preferance, i want 2americas. it is idiotic to have neverending fights about how we live. as it is, i want far away from r
Good idea, Leslie. This country is too big and wieldy. Shall we split it along the Continental Divide? Shall conservatives live on one side and liberals on the other? Just don't send me where it's cold, please.
If you don't like this country and make it better, move to Canada with the rest of the Liberals that won't be able to stand it the way Trump will make it.
no, you can leave greg. its your side that spits on the us of a by thinking you can override the will of the people. and mz b, what would you suggest, endless fighting just to live our lives? when one half says the other half doesnt matter, times up
I'm still considering the idea about automatically firing a government employee for practicing their 5th amendment right. Would we fire them for practicing their religion (1st) or for legally carrying a firearm (2nd). Why the 5th?
well, apparently, people will need a religious test to get in the country....how far before it spreads to gvt employees?
Ok, I thought about it. Firing a govt employee, revoking retirement and other benefits would not hold up in court. Govt can't run around coercing people into surrendering their rights. That would be a horrible form of power to legalize.
i think trump n them prefer "second amendment solutions"
Really Leslie? What do you have to back up that comment?
Chris mills,any government employer can force the government employee to testify against him/herself in an employment proceeding or be fired.Look it up & there isn't any protection from discharge for an employee of a private company.
DTMB, it's a gray area.
"The Court (USSC) found that the officers’
waivers of Fifth Amendment protections were
coerced and could not be sustained as voluntary.
The convictions were reversed. " goo.gl/zVlNYF So your absolute statement is false.
since tea party, see these people protesting w signs, "water the tree of liberty", "we wont shoot..this time", show up to obama events strapped. trump says u second amend people can do sonething if she wins,if she wins, im grabbing musket, "hang her"
Pleading the 5th, like many of our Constitution rights, is a protection from overbearing police powers. The 5th Amendment protects defendants from being coerced to implicate themselves in a crime.
A noble quest indeed - trustworthiness just doesn't seem to be important to people anymore, or if it is, then it doesn't show during the election cycle
i think they mean democrats.
No Leslie - it's a bipartisan issue - anyone in government taking the fifth is immediately interpreted by the populace as being guilty anyway
not by me. anyone whos been accused of something knows how people can twist things around. you can indict a ham sandwich is true.individual before state.
tell me why Loretta lynch took the 5th when she was questioned about the illegal payments Obama made to Iran?
How about telling us why Hillary's IT experts took the 5th then? It's not about twisting things when you are at a hearing - that's why they use yes or no questions.
Name an example of someone who took the 5th for another reason other than to keep from incriminating themselves
those payments werent illegal. it was their money we returned as part of the nuclear agreement. at least iran didnt hack the dnc!! roves IT was going to testify...he ended up dead. u remember the 22 million, right?#rovedeathlist
It's the present Leslie - Rove is not running or in office. If the payments were legal as you say, why then were they made in foreign currency and hidden from oversight? Try another lie
but he committef a crime, according to you. at a much higher scale than hillary. you overlook that crime when its con venient?
which crime was Rove brought up on charges of? What evidence was shown to America? Pay for Play in the Clinton State Department has been documented...
documented by who? wikileaks? PASS. rove was not brought up on charges. but he used a private server run by the rnc, and he deleted (lost) 4 yrs worth of emails. 22 million! no charges because republicans in charge. same reason why clinton charged.
Good points throughout - there would need to be some guidelines
If they deserve the same rights, they deserve the same punishments. NO special treatment.
priests dont have to disclose, even if they know someone is guilty....and churches are exempt from taxes. isnt that even worse special treatment?
Religion & Politics = Apples & Oranges.BUT, I believe it's BS that priests claim the sanctity of a confession. It's WRONG to protect any1 admitting 2 a crime! Besides, 4 the right $$...priests TALK too! The whole world is crooked & unbala
if its apples and oranges, id sure like to know why gvt employees use religion to make laws.
Because they CAN. Just like everything else they do that they should not do! & BTW, we obviously sit by & Let them! of course they believe the ave.Amer person is stupid. If we're not stupid, how'd we end up w/ these 2?! Rest my case.
in my opinion, because too many people think gvt is their personal servant. think everything they believe should be law of the land for everybody. and if what they believe isnt law, why then no one can have anything at all.
It should be "taking the 5th is an automatic resignation - put it on paper and make everyone sign it"
hello! been there, done that! ag gonzales lied about bush adm illegal wiretapping. NOTHING happened to him, because 1. republican house, senate, prez. 2. i think u want her only because shes dem! partisan use of OUR money!(dems are americans, too)
The list of corrupt agencies are many-
Here are the top 10.
Regardless of which party is in office, corruption and abuse of power is bad for our country.
but it only seems to be investigated under one. and if the party in power is doing the corrupting, it goes on as if entitled. btw, there are corrupt outra gvt agencies w just as much power. nra, alec, aipac, and pac's come to mind. and the rich.