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This is a great way to put it.
What do you think makes bad words bad?
Are you really "free to hire and fire employees as you wish"? You need to be careful about claims for unfair dismissal if you apply that dictum too strictly! You can sack someone for what they do, but for what they say?
Bad-mouthing a company, or one of its employees, on social media has become an acceptable reason for firing. There wouldn't be any grounds for unfair dismissal.
@John Welford - Things are different in the U.S. Employers don't have to give a reason for firing in "at will employment" states. There's no consequence to firing anyone for any reason in such states.
Really informative answer post.
Really looking forward to read more.
Really Great. Lisa Vollrath
I would have to agree with this comment. Speech does have consequences but there is also the concept of freedom of choice, so for those who choose freedom of speech, there is also bound to be the freedom to respond to that with a choice.
What about if you're at a party and you say something, someone is recording and you don't know it. Then they put it on the internet and it goes viral and you lose your job? That crap should be illegal. You didn't authorize it.
When I first looked, your answer was hidden due to negative feedback which seems ironic in a question about freedom of speech, but I guess we are now living in bizarro world.
I Jn 2:20 We (Believers) "...have an unction from the Holy One, and know all things" (in the spirit)!
"Birds of a feather flock together" (Psalms 119:63)!
Yes, "we are now living in bizarro world" (Is 5:20)!
There have been four comments here hidden due to negative feedback (though looks like they've all been brought back up for now), don't know if someone's trying to make a point or what, but it's a little silly.
Agreed what have said bcaz i am an employee in the medical company namedMedical Tourism in India and here most of the time i have to shut my mouth even if i haven't done anything and most of the i had argue.
If anyone works for someone else they have to represent that someone or "think, talk, act" like that someone! Find out what they like & do! It's the same as working for Jesus! However, we have choice in both!
Become"self employed" (as MISFIT
"The opposite of that is the freedom not to associate and not to hear and interact with people one is not interested in."
AMEN! "Choice" (Josh 24:15) & look what the "the world" has chosen (Matt 7:14)!
They're going to be SHOCKED!
The penalty for chiseling away at the right of free speech should be a parachute and kicked out at 10000 feet above North Korea.
Stop blaming libs 4 EVERYTHING, jeez! Speech is MEANT to create reactions & those R ALSO 'free speech'. 'Rights' are not the same as 'consequences'. When we speak hate, we draw it to us. It is how Trump stirred up hate across America. Words can h
Trump didn't stir up hate. It was the people that didn't like what he said. Pure and simple.
We cannot let the authoritarian left equate dissent with "fire", thus giving them permission to physically attack those they disagree with. That's fascism in the name of feelings.
why was alternative prime banned from forums, then? hes a strong democrat. now silenced. why? did he personally attack, or they just dont like what he says?
I don't know who alternative prime is. I do know Facebook and Twitter are purging conservatives en mass, as well as labeling conservative news sites "fake" before banning them.
When GOD is involved, don't worry! I have a publicist who's "waiting" & HE also knew before creation, HIS "gospel would be preached throughout the world; & then then the end would come" (Matt24:14)!
The problem is that these days the children DON'T learn that or a or a lot of things including RESPECT.
@Greg, true. Majority (not all) might be because of parent's lapses.
@ Julie! TRUE! "Parent lapses" are due from not being "IN CHRIST" before becoming a parent! I'm guilty too! Children "model" parents & see unrighteousness in parents;become "rebellious" saying "You did it!" I know! I experienced!
Well, morality & right conduct doesnt need to be always because of Christ. Law is there to tell u if it is right or wrong, no matter if there is freedom of speech or not. Parents are not altogether be blamed. If u dont do the right thing, u r gui
Man's "law" is NOT GOD'S "LAW" as evidenced in abortion & same sex!
Man establishes "morality" which errors! GOD "NEVER" err! One finds out via "consequences!"
With "man," the "right thing" is in the eye of the beholder!
So not being a Christian you are a bad parent? Tell that to the rest of the world. Muslims,Atheists,Hindus,Buddhists,Judaism etc. This is one of the reasons why bloody religion,yes,it is bloody is so often the core reason of wars.Show some respect N!
"Parent lapses" (unrighteousness aka "lapses") was what we were talking & creates "disrespect" fm children; not RELIGION!
"Morality" is also taught in those RELIGIONS & they serve "their God" but not THE GOD (IIKgs17:29-41)!
Quote : "Parent lapses" are due from not being "IN CHRIST"
With this statement Norine you show disrespect to all the parents in the world with a different believe system then yours.
Peter, it's not about "respecting" others' beliefs but OBEYING GOD! I "model" GOD'S WORD (aka GOD) & if HE has "no respect" for others, why should I?
READ II Kgs17:29-41;Lev19:17;IPet4:17;Matt23!
Model JESUS; telling TRUTH(WORD)=Christian=LOV
Does this mean that if you have a fed government job, you're safe from getting fired no matter what you say?
The Fed govt has knowledge of the statutes & knows how to discriminate subtly w/o violation of "protected classes"
"making the American exp exceptional!"
U must know the law re: "retaliation" & must PROVE violation of "protected class!
Two things. First, yes, your job is protected no matter what you say. However, if you threaten the President that is a felony and you won't get fired for the threat but you will get fired for being convicted of a felony. No space for #2...
Cissy, a job is not protected no matter what you say. You may have the right to say what you want, but if you say the wrong thing they have the RIGHT to fire you. Plain and simple.
"Wrong thing" is in the eye of the beholder!
completely agree, when you're comparing Trump with Hitler America is to small. But if you say that Mexicans are lazy and criminals there is no problem.
I keep telling ALL to "STUDY" to be in agreement with JESUS' Handbook (Bible) for HIS employees; but MOST are intrigued by the computer (life) rather than what is or isn't permissible that's given in the Handbook (Bible)!
This is a perfect answer. Asking for free speech to have no consequences regarding employment is asking to violate employers' freedom of religion.
I hope that Donald Trump agrees with you, and tempers his hot-headed comments.
My company has not told me its politics, so I would not know what opinion to conform with.
IF policy not written: "Observe!" Watch their lead! Look & Listen! Become "the fly on the wall!"
They're NEVER going to tell TRUTH, why we need "The Spirit of discernment" in everyday life as well!
How about just using common sense and courtesy?
How about the "Spirit of Discernment" which comes ONLY from the CREATOR?
What greater 'knowledge' than THIS?
All religious freedom means is the freedom to practice your religion withoout fear that the State or the church will execute you or put you in jail. Historically, that is what they used to do.
Religious freedom and racism are two different things. To fire someone because of sexual preference is not the same as firing someone because he makes monkey sounds against a fellow employee or uses the Hitler greeting in public!!
As is racism and sexual preference! Sexual preference is a "choice" (GOD gives correct organs) & CAN NOT be compare to "race" which is NOT!
So you can "make your monkey sounds" or give "Hitler greeting" elsewhere bcuz all are protected classes
I don't agree with religious businesses firing people for being gay, but the religious right has fought for the right to discriminate against them. The same laws that allow that, allow others the right to fire racists.
Whether we (Christians) agree or not; they (gays) are a protected class! If the religious organization has set forth "their" beliefs & is public record "prior to" gay receiving employment, firing justifiable (should have same belief)!
Incorrect, Norine. Relatively recent religious freedom laws allow religious business owners to legally discriminate against gays in the states that have the new laws. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/us/religious-freedom...
Shows "State by State" And will have to justify going against "Constitution-Separation of church & State!"Either way "GOD gives choice"(Josh24:15); so do I! Let them "Go for it!" Disclosure=Never hired; Non-Disclosure=they'll find basis to fire!
You should try to be a bit more tolerant towards people Norine, trust me it opens doors and friendships.
No "tolerance" if against WORD! What you want a "happy sinner" (temp;been there-done that) or "peace of mind" in righteousness(aka Christ)? There's no comparison!
Keep living; praying you are as blessed as I & get there!
Thank you JESUS
They said more than that but this isn't a freedom of speech issue, it's an issue of private entity which either at will employs you or contractually employs you. Either way , they can cut you lose for anything you say that reflects poorly on them.
If I owned a record store and an employee used offensive and sexist language towards a client I would fire him, wouldn't you do the same Cole?
Hello "Big Boy!"
We're "responsible" for our actions!
Prov18:21 "Death & life are in the power of the tongue, & they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof!"
What about people using free speech to be professional agitators. Promoting sedition or anarchy against the establishment. Their free expression involves disorderly conduct or damage to property?
They get "paid" well; for them it's OK but they have to go home & deal w/guilty conscience for against GOD'S LAWS!
Prov6:16-19(v18)"feet that b swift in running 2 mischief"(v19)"sowing discord among brothers!"
"No rest" as abortionist & same
There once was a man, long ago, such as this, censored on a cross.
Yes "man" censored & killed the CREATOR continuing to prove "FOOLS!"
But when they came into the "realization" of what they had done, they said "Men & brothers what shall we do" (Acts2:37) "pricked in their hearts" (aka "guilty conscience")
Yes Norine. Always a flaw of censorship. Its all about who gets to call the shots.
Ultimate "choice of who gets to call shot" has been decided for this world is "temporary" & wrong choice will suffer "consequences" & "guilty conscience" now but "eternal damnation" in world to come!
Really? THIS comment was tagged as negative feedback on this question? That really does say a lot about how distorted & confused people are. Be grateful for peace-loving liberals RIGHTFULLY protesting instead of the guns GOP-ers threatened us wit
I am the Rain King, and I am sexy as well, and so I will rain on your parade. The government is above the law. Rick Snyder has yet to be indicted for poisoning the entire city of Flint Michigan. If a Muslim freedom fighter had done the same?
Muslim Freedom Fighter? Please. You mean terrorists.
I believe you just proved his point.
Misfit, it is the PEACE LOVING LIBERALS that are causing all of the rioting, not peaceful protests.
You don't have to watch what you say as much if you are black. Black skinnis excellent for protection. Just get a dark chocolate tan shave your head and get your drivers license renewed and say good bye to your troubles.
Dung! You should have told President Obama that 8 years ago! Why'd ya hold back this pertinent info?
We could be better off if he'd been informed!
I missed it; not in right 'blood line' for IGNORANCE; I guess!
I can not get you. say openly
Why didn't "yourhomiebrian" share this "important" information w/Obama so he would be "protected?"
They ate him alive! Couldn't even attend the church of his choice nor dye his hair! Remember? Oh, I forgot! He was supposed to "shave that head!"
There are legal ones too. That's where slander comes in. But, people should use common sense when talking and consider other people and their feelings.
I understand about slander. I assumed the question concerned vocalizations that, while inappropriate or against company guidelines, were not slanderous.
I agree with you in principle but it's not that cut and dried. Freedom of speech does not mean abolishing consequence but it can turn the spotlight on who dictates the direction and policy behind said consequences and to whom they apply.
Lets legislate body language or a tone. My employees rolled their eyes at me and had a tone that didnt suit me so I canned them.
Can do if "employee rolled their eyes @ me & had a tone that didn't suit me" as long as "canning" doesn't violate Federal statutes!
"At will" states in action!
So, PhoenixV, you don't want religious employers to be able to fire an employee for being gay, transgender, or promiscuous if they find out from the employees' free speech online, right? You are asking for abridgment of employers' religious freedom.