One of the most interesting reasons is that she and "others" may want the recounts to last beyond December 19, the day the Electors cast their votes for president. WI and PA votes could not be counted if not certified. That would leave Trump with less than 270. The House of Representatives would then elect the next president. But would the outcome change?
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So you don't think it has anything to do with being a Jew and not wanting to watch a repeat of the Holocaust with Muslims? Don't you get how horrifying it is to even want to put citizens into internment camps?
lets not forget that 19 counties in wisconsin wont allow ballot count, and michigan republican ag suing along w trump to stop it. admission of guilt, imo. no taxes no recount: suspect!
K, there will be no muslim internment camps, no registry based on religion. You take what a Trump says, multiply it by 10 and try to convince us that your misrepresentation is an accurate account of what Trump said originally. Get serious.
actually, id make a bet w you on that...and i dont gamble.
There will be a registry/detaining of those with links to terrorist org. That is a far cry from shuttling every muslim who tries to enter US off to a camp. Muslims w/o ties to terrorism currently here won't be registered or sent to camps.
gen flynn's kid, michael, had a spat on twitter. he tells the guy, "troll me all you want, you have no idea what you're up against". what do you suppose he means by that? just what are we up against?
thereby getting pence? soros would rather have pence? personally, i think hed rather have trump.
I'm not sure they would waste all this time and money to get the same result. The House would be limited to the people who were in the general election for president. For all practical purposes, that would be Trump or Clinton. We know the result.
well, she said shes not doing it for hillary, trump or herself. shes doing it for the integrity of american elections. and seeing as how trump inc is blocking it.....we see how much he cares about integrity...zero, nada, nilch. its win, and spoils
WI rcnt results so far. HRC and T up a few down few each day. The strategy of the one who masterminded this fraudulent scheme was impeccable. Day 4 ended with T up by 39. At Heavy (News) goo.gl/RVIjwl. Fraudulent voting out of control.
but the thing is, they really need to do an audit, to see if shenanigans were going on. and a judge ruled it couldnt be hand counted, like stein requested. so, they are recounting w the same machines without sering if the machines were messed w!argh
So we need a recount of the recount? You go ahead. I'll get on with my life under our 45th president, Donald J. Trump. The first recount shows the election was trustworthy. The second will do the same. Feel free to whine until you run out of room.
you mean like refuse to cooperate w anything trump? why, that would only be following republican's lead. and maybe you should look up "count" vs "audit". and while youre at it, look up "signs of guilt". i bet trying to prevent invesigation is there.
so why is trump trying to stop the recount? im sure had he lost, he would have demanded one. he cannot accuse rigging, "oh unless i win, then its fair."
If Trump had lost, he may have called for a recount because the race may have been close enough for it to make sense. That is not true in the case of Jill Stein. She is so far behind, it is laughable.
its not for jill stein, its for the integrity of american elections. and frankly, i have to question the motives of anyone against the recount!
Stein's sidekick(name?) was asked over and over again why a recount. His repeated answer..."Because we have the right." If there was a better answer, he would have given it. This is a sign of desperation by Stein and those behind her recount effort.
for what? she cant win. she was there only to help trump anyway...so...
remember, she was at dinner w putin and flynn.
The recount is just another way that Trump has already started his promises. It is creating jobs.
Neither Stein nor Hillary benefit by recount. If the recounts go beyond 12/19 and Trump drops below 270 in electoral votes, the election is decided by the House. Trump wins. No Change. Why recount? Stein gets millions in donations. The only motive.
could be. like i said, i think she was only there to help trump. her tweet storm right before election proved it. her ties to putin, flynn, etc.
Leslie, with reservations, I admit you have a plausible point here. I don't necessarily believe it, but there is some reason to it.
yes, the whole thing is baffling!
Recount or No 'count. Sadly Chris, I think you are right about Jill Stein. She has nothing to gain but money.
norway is now concerned about russia's increasing military activity in their high north region....trump's win gave putin the green light to do as he wants. its not only usa affected here: red alert!!!
Are you saying Russia only began to act aggressively after the election? Where have you been? Have you heard of Ukraine? Obama has been president the whole time Putin has been taking over the Ukraine. Norway's "fear" has nothing to do with Trump.
usa has been an opposing force.which i dont agree w either, btw.but now, we will simply back off and let vlad be vlad.as he said, it will be mutually beneficial for he and trump.trump said nato must go din'he? who benefits w no nato? blinderson, usa
Several points to hit. 1.Stein driving recnt which seeks to overturn results....but she is there to help T win???? Silliness. 2.T said NATO nations need to ante up or he would favor leaving. He has a great point here. US can't defend the world.
well, lets say she runs in same circles as trump. i dont know how it plays out. and trump is using gvt to block count. its a done no deal. who hates nato? putin. who helped trump? putin. pay 4 play. mutual benefit. assad wins, putin wins...usa?
Leslie, these comment sections are too short. I couldn't quite follow your thinking on either point. Maybe give one box per point. I'll comment between so you can post the second. I do want to give you the opportunity to make your points clear.
i can make it short. i want ties between trump and putin investigated. chaffetts has 2 yrs worth of clinton hearings planned, i want some for trump!
That is really interesting Leslie. It would be tough to force T. or P. to testify. Once in place T. probably will have exec. privilege on the matter - i.e. Nat'l security concepts. Between now and inauguration ???. Good question to pose.
once he gets in, there will be no checks and balance...just the minority dems in both houses and we already know how that goes (2000-2006). we can only watch qui bono
I think we should look at Leslie's response more: so why is trump trying to stop the recount? im sure had he lost, he would have demanded one. he cannot accuse rigging, "oh unless i win, then its fair." Reasonable competition seems the call here.
well not really. i want same hearings that hillary was subject to directed at trump. manafort, putin, comey, kobach, trump himself. i want equal consideration for dem concerns ie trumps corruption, conflicts of interests, using this for family gain.
Hillary is now under investigation by the DOJ. Trump was investigated by the DOJ in 1973. If he has committed illegal acts in the recent past, then where are the charges against him for the things you have mentioned?
i guess in the same place they put hillarys charges...doesnt stop them from going after her non-stop. and actually, im reading that fbi WAS investigating trump re putin, but comey didnt tell us that one. wonder why he let us know about hillary?
let me know when republicans start "working together". ryan said theyll wait to do anything until trump gets in. dems-- have a seat and stay there.
Half an hour ago I listened to Stein being interviewed. She claimed 90% of Americans support her recounts. Such a distortion of the truth. 90% said they were unhappy with the whole campaign/election. That is not the same as supporting her recounts.
Copied from Heavy (News), day 4 WI recnt. Same pattern for days 1-3. T up 39.
Trump gained 356 votes
Trump lost 246 votes
Trump net gain on day 4: 110 votes
Clinton gained 296 votes
Clinton lost 225 votes
Clinton net gain on day 4: 71 votes
well, hillary has 2.5 million more people voting for her than trump...they have to come from somewhere. and none of them count!
Once again, in 240 years, this country has never elected a pres by national popular vote. T won pop vote in 36 states. HRC won pop vote in 14 states. States elect pres with their electoral votes. T wins. It's time to get over the loss.
no, i dont think so.i think its time to get over the electoral college.and i think this election was fixed, and not legit. so, i wont get over it.and i'll watch, and when more proof of fixing is revealed, wait for the inevitable:sit down and shutup
Considering the FACT that Communists have been "Illegaly HACKING" our Private Property in a conserted attempt to help "Delusional Donald", don't be surprised if the Trump Vote Count ERODEs ~ "Civil WAR"? Much Less Destructive than a Trump Regime
in other words, if the election is shown to be fraudulent, the right wont respect the rightful outcome.
Let me get this straight; you think Russians are still communists? Big guy that was the USSR - probably gone before your birth. I would be very interested to know if you went to school to learn this stuff. Amazing.
No, they won't respect the outcome of a BS recount with cheating and scheming because the left didn't respect the rightful outcome!
The world does not end if someone from the other party wins the presidency. It will be so this time too.To those opposed to Trump, the solution is easy. Find a real candidate, an economic agenda and win an election. In the meantime, stop whining.
patriotism is not whining. putting country over personal desires is where its at, baby. and patriotism is not nationalism. nor is it looking out for what buck you can make. honesty, integrity. not lies and theft. we cannot afford one day of dumpy!
lol ~ STOP Whining ?? ~ If GOD Forbid Trump does Weasel his way into OUR White House after COMMUNISTs Illegally Assisted him, staff should "CROWN Him" "KING Twitter CRY Baby" ~ A Simple SKIT by Alec Baldwin Reduces Trump to an Irrational LUNATIC
Another Hollywood reference as proof of a fact? A whole new twist on "does life imitate.... Aristotle would be amazed.
Prime, what part did China or Cuba have in helping Trump win this election? That was a point I missed during the campaign I suppose.
Chris ~ Vladimir Putin is a COMMUNIST with Deep KGB Roots ~ He Assisted Trump ILLEGALLY ~ Espionage etc ~ CHINA ?? We want to be CLEAR that the WESTERN U.S. Unequivocally REJECTs "Delusional Donald" ~ Cuba? Trump VIOLATED the U.S. Embargo in 1998
"Sergey Obukhov, an MP for the Communist Party of Russia, noted “it’s not his first anti-communist sentiment, and history will not forgive him that.”" In reference to anti-com statements by P about Lenin in Rus history. P rejected by com party of Rus
It seems that calling Putin a communist would be like calling Obama a republican. Noting that Russia seems to have had some disruptive influence may be valid. But perhaps we should not elevate it to actually influencing the election. Dem to Rep???.
yes, but he seems to be involved in influencing a lot of situations.used to be on his side, read a lot of rt...but now when it hits my country, and hes with trump, i have turned. now im looking at him and saying wtf? "take usa without firing a shot"
I have no respect for Putin. He's not communist, but he is behaving like the old, imperialist regime. If we can cooperate to eliminate ISIS, I am for it, but I do not want to get cozy with the Russians as they are now behaving toward their neighbors.
it blows my mind. we have 17 intel agencies saying putin hacked the dnc, and people are like, eh so what? trump denouned it, too, even tho he got the briefing on the intel! he has 149 businesses there, and they lent him money when no one else would.
My understanding is that our best intelligence tells the agencies that it came from Russia not the Gov. or Putin. Your conclusion is like saying "Anonymous" did it from the USA so Obama did it. Please be careful in claiming facts that are not there.
i thought kremlin was part of gvt? and fsb is what used to be called kgb....you know, that thing putin was in?
"the number of people turned away from voting for not having the proper id exceeds trumps wins in wi, mi, pa"--lawrence tribe...
lot more than interference going on here. voter suppression!
Interesting conclusion. Without any proof of who someone is to an absolute stranger is suppression of the voters? And the assumption they all would vote for Hillary. Another interesting conclusion. Anyone who lives without any ID votes democrat?
not just an id.the most difficult and ridiculous to get.like oh if a woman is married, she needs her birth certificate to prove her name changed.or closing rmv's, so its 40 miles to the nearest agency.and we all know gop targeted dem voters.admitted
Again very interesting. People who change their name but not legally, may be restricted in exercising a legal right under which name? The registration would go to the old name which would still be on their driver's license. Your scenario is wrong.
no, im saying this: they have birth certificate as required id to vote. well, if a woman is legally married, but her birth certificate shows her maiden name, sorry charly, no voto for you. other means, too
its so sinister and un american. boooo
Oh now I see the confusion. Getting married does not automatically change a ladies last name. Legal marriage does not change a name. You must take further legal action in just about every venue. Strange local Southern counties may vary (sufferage?)
cool. shes applying the rush limbaugh strategy. *operation chaos*. "sauce for goose is sauce for gander"--mitt romney
I wonder why I feel angst and frustration here. Like a vitriolic reaction to a major loss -- grieving. It is quite interesting to watch. It is not hate but anger.
And anger finds its source in fear of real or perceived threats. What are the angry people afraid of?
oh you bet its anger. and the fact people are blase about foreign collusion makes me say this: dont ever call anyone unpatriotic again!
Sorry but you ordered me not to, so I will, you are unpatriotic.Do not order us what to think. Think Police!
I said anger is the result of fear. What are you afraid of?
fascism. and u should be, too
Leslie, you shouldn't use terms you don't fully understand. Fascism does not simply refer to a strong, conservative leader. There is so much more required for a leader/government to be considered fascist. Trump and his appointees don't come close.
google the 14 signs of fascism...we are there.
I'm afraid of the multiple ways in which Trump's promises, if fulfilled, will kill innocent people. If you don't understand why registering Muslims or declaring all liberal protesters terrorists is scary, you will never understand.
kylyssa, be careful to hear what people say, not just what you want to hear. Trump has said there will be no registry based on religion. I heard those words right from one of his spokespersons. If you believe the negative, also believe the positive.
Did I just see someone cite Google as a reference? A college student turns in a paper citing Wikki? On an intellectual debate someone cites Google? People really do this stuff?
ummm, can u read? google it, u will see numerous pages.
be specific: 14 signs of fascism. we have them all. trump. "mad dog, grab em by the p, america great, punish punish punish"
Are you even aware how Google decides to put stuff up? It is not by truth or veracity. It is by algorithm popularity. Like your credible Dartashians. I am just amazed what people call facts these days. We are talking born in the '90's here right?
read dr lawrence britt. hes done an extensive study on the charecteristics of fascism. defined 14 of em. amazed that u find it on google? where u think wikleaks material comes from? its all over hubpages..i never see u mock it.
Leslie, the last place I would research fascism is the place you directed me. I don't want to be infected with the same paranoia and rage. BTW, I didn't vote for Trump, but I have to gain the most from this election by honestly understanding the man.
what have u understood about obama these past 8 years? and i dont hate trump. cheney, yes. trump...hes not worth the energy. rich fratboyz are a dime a dozen.
Just two simple questions: What school did Britt graduate from and where does he have tenure as a professor? Really, this is a source? My name is Dr. Dierker and Ms. Stein is a child pornography distributor. Does that make it true?
Leslie, you might want to seek to understand before you open your mouth or put fingers to keyboard. I voted for Obama, and you want to know if I have understood anything about him. Yes. He was a monumental disappointment.
why is it trumpsters cant have a discussion without insulting others? he has you people acting like groupies, for god sakes.
Leslie, earlier in this thread you accused someone of calling others unpatriotic. Now you say they are insulting. We are all using strong speech to communicate here, but I don't think I have been insulting nor have I called anyone unpatriotic.
nope, i said dont call anyone else unpatriotic, when you dont care foreign element hacked dnc. then, i was called it..which is nothing new. republicans have a habit of calling anyone not like them america haters, etc. they are "real" americans.tiring
Actually, what you said was "dont ever call anyone unpatriotic again!"
and? they called me america hater for not supporting bush, yet dont care putin hacked dnc...a truly unamerican thing to do. so yeah: dont call pot, when kettle black!
Heh ... good ... except ... dartashians is actually "dart past ye ones". :)
what percentage is it that a result doesnt match the exit polls, except in places that use a certain voting machine? must be like 00000.000000001%
I do remember this much misinformation in my lifetime. Just before live broadcasts came out of Vietnam. Kennedy was telling us anything he wanted. But this garbage about "winning" a recount is just statistically impossible.
didnt say shed win, but looks like dumpy doesnt want to give her a chance. why? whats he afraid of? in my mind, it stolen, just as 2000. so sue me. be like your prez elect.
If voter fraud is so rare, why do Republicans worry about it so much and claim Democrats vote using the identities of dead people in every election? Don't you want to see the recount prove the Democratic voter fraud you do believe in?
Oops you took your eye off the ball again. Never ever in American history has a recount changed the outcome. That is fact. Never ever in the last 150 years has a president ordered the execution of a person. Does reality just escape you? Hollywood?
why are you against a recount?
The question is, why do you and others want one. Even Stein's associate couldn't explain why.All he could say is that they had the right to call for a recount. No reason, just a recount because they have the right. Follow the $$$. There's your reason
i want one because i think the election was rigged. exit polls dont lie. and we know putin, wikileaks and comey were all helping trump. as long as anyone has doubts, a recount is warrented.
You may get a recount in WI, MI and PA. If so, I hope we all can get behind whatever the result may be. I would support the president even if it turned out to be HRC if it was done according to the law. We can't start overturning elections at a whim.
it wont happen. trump is suing to stop it, and michigan ag is republican, and suing to stop it, too. wisconsin already has 19 precincts refusing to cooperate, and overcharging stein tremendously. theyll use gvt to take gvt.then destroy it.no quarter
Why does this seem like a personalized version of the opinion pieces pawned off as news by Media? Folks really think that a president gets to do just as she pleases? Is that what they teach in schools nowadays? Very strange but enlightening.
I forgive you for trying to protect your feelings by dehumanizing me. We both know you have to do it so you won't feel guilt over the fact that what you want in a government will likely cause my death. Why are you unable to hear what Trump says?
If not 4 the Imminent DANGER we face with a possible Trump Presidency it would be COMICAL ~ An ANTI-American MORON named Trump who "Desecrated" our Military, specifically those who were TORTURED as POWs, has the audacity to lecture Flag BURNERs"
also privitizing ss and medicare...cant wait for the first trump voter to be blase on that one.muslims preparing...not like its not happening already in gaza. famous last words: "it cant happen here"
Wow this stuff is not coming from "normal" democrats at all. This is incredible. Reality TV makes reality as it sees fit. If we buy into the trivializing of real past atrocities claiming that they will happen now, we are in fact doomed to repeat.
lets see....how many times did republicans try n repeal obamacare? 60? you are dreaming if u think they wont. trump said it. "its gotta go". theyve wanted to privitize ss and medicare since bush. of course, youll be spared, so it wont affect you.nice
How is registering or rounding up Muslims NOT reminiscent of registering and then rounding up Jews? Jill Stein is literally a Jew. Trying to prevent new atrocities does not minimize what her people went through in the Holocaust.
Was I wasting my time with studying Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower? Should I just come up with these blowhard replications of fact? The last person to be capitally punished for sedation is when? The last Black man lynched was when? Just shout?
Why don't you try studying Trump? What is your evidence that he won't do what he's said he will? Do you think all of the video and audio of Trump saying those things is somehow faked?
I saw a young man hung by his neck. I saw a Mexican whipped for being Mexican. I marched for MLK and Ceasar Chavez. I have been to Auschwitz. My father fought in that war. Study a man not yet president? Did a Catholic in the White house end life?
well if trump doesnt plan on doing those things, why say it? and if he just said it to get elected, whats THAT say about him?and who votes for a ban on all muslims anyway? said by i donald j trump
K, you must be accustomed to having posts deleted. I won't. You insult us, saying we don't understand things you do. Childish. Grow up K, and debate as an adult. These are words of a bitter person. We survived Obama. You'll survive Trump.
i guess you didnt see her say without aca, she will die.
Kylyssa, I'm not a fan of Trump's, but I think that if Jill Stein really had this country's welfare at heart, she wouldn't have stayed in and taken any votes from Hillary. And I have been to Russia and felt their oppression. We should be scared.
yes, we are yelling fire in a crowded theatre...get out! before its too late! anyone who so flippantly wants to throw people in jail is a menace. jailing political opponents is a tenant of a fascism! chaffetts is ready--they all fascists! hail trump
K, I saw your post about Trump's policies which will cause your death. Truly sorry you are ill. Lost my wife 8 yrs ago. No desire to see anyone suffer. But what Trump policy could possibly have this impact? Pre-existing clause will remain.
Idiot "Trump" has not even infiltrated the White House yet & already he REJECTs Daily "CIA Briefings" & he's Unintentionally Undermining the Vital Communication STRUCTURE which Deals with CHINA ~ To CHINA ~ Western USA & NY REJECTED this
Wow, Eric is usually the level-headed one among us - trying to smooth things over between people with doses of reasoning among religious fanatics. This is why I hate Trump the most: he turned good people into ugly ones; and ugly people uglier.
Catherine maybe you have a point. I wonder if it is a chicken/egg thing. On that note I will re-evaluate. Always good to grow. Now the hard part of reaching understanding through the fog of out right nastiness. It can be done.
someone one day will do a montage of all the things trump said on the campaign trail....and it will horrify people. its like a spell....and maybe thats why hillary conceded so quickly. and obama is silent. too powerful to fight.
I agree that a montage of Trump during the campaign would make the hairs on our necks stand on end. I'm not fighting for the man here. I just don't want the rule of law to be thrown out because some don't like the results of a legal election.
An interesting thought. I remember that being done on Reagan. It came across as scary. Of course the ones on Obama were not that bad, but the realization of what he proclaimed was the frightful stuff. Nothing came true. Sound bites are life. React???
I saw a speech of T's which had been edited heavily. Made it look like he wanted all muslims registered according to religion. Then I saw the real thing. Totally different. He only wanted those associated with terror orgs detained and registered.
why only muslim tho? this is what likens it to 1930' s germany. jews were scapegoat for everything.what if articles are true, and isis is trained by cia and mossad...then what? we for sure have given or sold isis equipment, trucks, etc...what then?
I got through one paragraph of this. You are being very disrespectful of virtually half the people who voted in this election. Are you so insightful and intelligent that you can instruct the rest of us in such a pedantic way? The election will stand.
Chris ~ My Priority is not to be "RESPECTFUL" to Trump Fans who are Acclimated to being INSULTED, it's to Intervene on behalf of SANE Individuals who understand the Trump CALAMITY which has already begun ~ Hillary WON the VOTE by MORE than HALF
Why do people shout on the internet? Does Mr. Prime need to shout?
this is what i was trying to explain to abwilliams. here you have trump, who calls the choice of the majority of us crooked, the most corrupt person on earth, should be locked up, and brings hurtful other women to rattle her at debate! respect? plz
Looks like the TRUTH is Upsetting Eric D ~ Leslie ~ Everyone knows Trump is a JOKE, a "Walking Contradiction" of a "Pathological LIAR" who is much more suited for PRISON than Occupation of OUR White House ~ Wisconsin in RECOUNT Mode ~ THX Jill
Am I getting this right? Hollywood is dictating truth? I thought Hollywood made movies not reality. Reminds me of War of the Worlds that was thought to be true.
well, he has said things, and he cant take them back. and guess who was photo'd going up elevator in trump tower? mika the democrat brehzinski. vs joe talks to trump all the time scarborough. two peas in dumpys pod. fair and balanced*wink**wink*
Do you two know who Kaiser Wilhelm was? Do you understand that Stalin was not a fan of Karl Marx? Have you read Mien Kampf or Das Kapital? Were you alive during Pol Pot? This is an incredible showing of ignorance.
no, but i read gulag archipelago. and when solzhenitzin was being brought to siberia, he was on the train w his captor wanting to scream out to the other passengers, " dont you see whats going on? cant you see???"...thats what we're trying to do now.
Prime, the election is over. We don't elect a pres by national pop vote. Never have.Your point about "more than half" is irrelevant. Pop vote in 34 Trump states beat Hillary's 16. I'll ask you to not call your fellow hubbers, insane, here.
I just realized your comment is based on a movie. The train to Siberia? It was a metaphor about screaming on the train. Do you even know fact from Hollywood? I am truly amazed.
WRONG. its from the book gulag archipelago. never saw the movie. i told you i read the book. are u calling me a liar?
EVIL Forces Attacking Jill S, are difficult to defeat, however, her "Righteous EFFORT" to "RECOUNT & Investigate Unprecedented Voting Anomalies" in PA, Specifically Communist Manipulation to FAVOR Trump, was ESCALATED to FED Court ~ GO Jill
"it turns out that united russia won the elections in america"--viktor nazarov, governor of omsk, russia
If the Unconscionable Occurs & Trump Bumbles, Fumbles & CONs his way into OUR White House, one WINNER is his Communist Comrade Vladimir Putin who is already anticipating a "Delusional Donald" Regime by his Escalating AGGRESSIVE Military ACTIO
By the way, your comment here was not hidden by me. I let people stand by their comments. It was hidden, I suppose, by a moderator from HP.
no chris, its fellow hubbers.if enough dont like you, youre gone.report, report, report. but putin is influencing france and now wikileaks going after merkel.satellite states, color revolutions...norway worried. and they hacked dnc. check. mate.
Hi Chris, I appreciate your HONESTY in allowing ALL Comments to stand & NO, it's not HP, what we have "LURKING" is a "LITTLE Clique" of "Breitbart Loons" who FOLLOW me around to give me the "THUMBs Down" because they FEAR the TRUTH I Speak ~
FACT ~ FUNDs are 4 RECOUNTs ~ 3.5 MILLION in Wisconsin alone ~ Any remaining funds will be used 4 GREEN Party EFFORTs ~ Unlike Trump who RIPPED Off America via Trump U FRAUD & using the PRESIDENCY to PROFIT in VIOLATION of the CONSTITUTION
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