We're increasingly in a tribal mentality of red vs. blue. As a libertarian, I'm concerned that people are not able to get along or do what's best for the country anymore; they want two dramatically opposed visions for the future of the country and do not seem willing to make compromises for stability and peace. People are beating up Donald Trump supporters. While it seems that the nation is moving forward on issues we all tend to agree on, like marijuana and gay marriage, other things like feminism and BLM cause hatred and turmoil. Can society recover from all this nasty tribalism?
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The problem is rooted in mostly religious fear. Many MANY white Christians in the US view these 'other peoples' as being 'bad' bcuz they worship the wrong God. So, they are expendable, PLUS it is 'God's will' in these 'end times'. SAD & scary bot
Cat: "Fear?" 2Tim1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear..."
"Other ppl?"Gal3:28 "Neither Jew nor Greek IN Christ."
"God's Will?"Gen1:26;28"God gave DOMINION of all to man!"
"End Times?"Prophesied/man will cause
Where do u get this fm?
Junko, I gave you a thumbs up on this one.
unfortunately, our new federal gvt wont allow us to be liberal at all. may not affect people...
until it does
Eric in your short at the end you wrote the truth about the great divide. We must all speak truth to lies & you told the whole truth and nothing but the truth I see what you saw when I visit my kids who don't live among the poor & underclass
Leslie - that is part of the beauty of that hated thing called electoral college. It is a state's rights issue. And we are free to move. We get tons of money here on our states liberal agenda for schools and urgent care. A home is vacant next door!
sorry, i dont believe rights depend on what state you live in. some things should be universal, no questions asked.like healthcare, a place to put your head, food on the table, and the freedom to run your life.federal gvt should protect, not destroy.
Junko, perhaps I did not make it more clear as to why we have such money for our schools. It is exactly because our neighborhood is not affluent. And most the funds come from Title 1. For schools with most low income students. Federal.
Eric? I too "believe this "great divide" is a bunch of hyped up BS."
Conflict sells advertising time, rational discourse does not.
where were you for hillary-killary?surely you must have seen it?how about "liberals hate america"...not much for discourse there.or maybe you could check the question about obamas time in office, you want to see divisive. "crooked hillary"..nice
Leslie, I think we become "stupid" to the difference in types of speech. "Killary" is sloganest speech. It has nothing to do with babies at PP who I actually worked for - long story. We understand sound bites. Ridiculous. Prep for a press conf. ????
its very simple eric.if you want us to rise above, so must others.otherwise,they take kindness for weakness and run roughshod over any other voices.there MYRIAD of insulting speech directed at liberals i have seen today. not once have u questioned.
Leslie you made me have to go back and review. As you made me wonder if I was lopsided in objecting to insulting attacks. I could not find one here from the other side. So only your side is doing it here. Makes one think.
i am speaking all throughout hubpages. forums, hubs, questions. its not an anamoly that many of us see it.just read the forums, and the questions-more than one.many times its one liberal fighting back 4 or 5 conservatives:the public space as a whole
Leslie I think your comment is important. We have a tendency to carry over a battle into a peaceful discussion. You are talking to me and I don't do that. Thus creating a divide where there is none. I like to read your point of view. Agree?
ok. im really a sweetheart until you push my buttons...*bats eyes*. haha! yes, agreed.
Perhaps we should try hard to emulate Rev. Dr. King. And be drawn to those who are looking for answers rather than who choose to escalate tensions. While all have a right to engage, we also have the right not to.
well, speaking for myself, i can make the most innocuous comment, and be 1. insulted 2. ridiculed 3. belittled 4. dismissed. i think you should bring your suggestion to the judeo christian right wingers here. they seem to be most hard-headed
Hmm, I writt the sermon weekly for Spiritual of all sorts. Perhaps I should write one also -- pushing the envelope of proper concepts of "congregation" and "community" We should address that neighbor/enemy love concept a little more forcefully.Thanks
how obama was treated-next time anyone wants to mention treating trump with respect:https://youtu.be/J3MI16Bj21M. in complain about trump protests?:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/thousan...
Yes attitudes like yours do seemingly cause a divide of opinions. But that is not a divide in our country. We have to have at least to positions (dem-Rep) I disagree but respect your opinion and I did not beat you down.
not you personally...the republican party. and dems are responding to the divide, caused by republicans refusing to work with our president. they can begin the healing by apologizing.
Really Leslie, you think it is lopsided like Demos are victims? Alright it you say so. But that would mean that Reps are winners and successful aggressors. As a citizen, given the choice I pretty much chose winners over victims. ????
aggressors, yes. winners, no. never thought much of bullies, and still dont.if you call keeping life-saving healthcare from people winning,that just shows our different set of values. it must be absolutely terrifying for so many americans,im LIVID!
No friend it is not about winning this battle or that. Lawyers and generals do that stuff and I think doctors in OR. No we are talking winning whatever conflict or negotiation you are in. I get it, you think that a kid that wins in schoolyards is bad
this is ALL about winning. its why republicans didnt work with obama, why they gerry-mandered districts, why they have called us america haters for 16 years...we are not fellow citizens, we are enemies in a power game. THAT is the gd problem. IMO
tons of hypocrites in congress. these are the same people who did not pay back student loans, remember. marijuana is a federal question which needs to be answered yes. we already have it in the country and it is going no where. at least tax it
The problem with the electoral college, imo, is the all or nothing. Ca has 55 electoral votes, and to give them all, erases the votes of over 4 million voters.
the number of votes over all in the entire country should be considered criminal compared to the number of voters, your statement just proves the point that the college needs to go.
I don't understand your point. The electoral college would be better if they got rid of the all or nothing. But having 1 state represent the country is worse. Also the popular vote is suspect because there are no voter chks to like Photo Ids
my statement is simple, while we would still have the one head of government that head would be elected by popular vote, we don't need the electoral college to speak for us anymore especially when they are under no obligation to vote the way we want.
How does that work when Ca has over 10% of the population and it is only 2% of the country. That is what the Electoral College was created to do. Trump won the majority of US counties, is more representative of popularity than CA tipping vote
Sorry that doesn't answer my comment., Bye It is not my job to convince you, I gave my opinion.
#3. "causes candidates to pay more attention to the parochial needs of the swing states." put another way, a vote in wyoming carries three times the weight of mine! you may not care about this...some of us do. swing state voters matter more.
Leslie I really get your point. But I am from AZ originally. If we went straight popular AZ would be fully ruled by other states and the feds. I do not want to be dictated to by LA and NY I do not think like they think. States rights vs. Fed rights??
great, so now i am dictated by the rust belt, and i dont think like they do. worse,things in my state that are legal now, such as abortion and marijuana, will once again become against the law.i say split the states up. red and blue. 2 federal gvts
I love it Leslie, what are we going to do with a civil war that has been going on since Babylonian times. I tell you that King that Robin fought just stole from the country bumpkins.In reality shouldn't we always be resistant to progress to check it?
i dont know about babylonian times i just know its dumber than dirt to fight over and over and over again about the same things decade after decade after century.its clear that we dont get along..why force it? its stupid!and a waste of precious life
Leslie, I don't know that it is a waste of time. Seems like we all object to change in our own way. And we all slama damna the status quo. I am a peace love dope dude. But I have this conflict internally also. Perhaps a society just mirrors that.
well, the purpose here was to form a more perfect union.i dont think its working.
as einstein said,you cant solve problems with the same mechanism that got you there, or something. and the pinnacle of failure is a usa gvt wholly owned by one party.
I just gave you a high five -- do they have an emo-gee for that? One group think in control of my mental group think would be ugly at best. I have a daughter deep in the DNCCC and when pressed she said she would be out of a job w/o republicans.
hubpages is an example of one group think. answers hidden due to negative feedback: check them out. 9 times out of 10, the ones being hidden are liberal. i keep hearing insults are not allowed, and keep seeing insults. hate speech? all day long. ussa
I think HP can do that because they are private. But I think they indicate/represent to the authors and public that they are neutral, by not saying they are biased. I think the censoring is an individual thing.
oh, me too! there is no rhyme or reason. they dont like you, bye. they like you, help yourself. this can be proven.
Interesting. I think we are independent contractors until the edit and control of the end product - qualifying us as 1099 employees. Cal. FEHA and Fed EEOC may be interested about the discrimination. They know our Race, gender and age...just saying.
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Kara you do not seem like a pathological liar.I don't think I am or any of my friends or acquaintances. The mechanic and the clerk don't seem to lie. Come to think of it I don't even know one. Do you personally?
the president elect.
LMC your hammer found a nail quickly. The President elect is a prime example of a pathological liar.
yes.to be honest with you,i cant believe we're still going through w this charade.i guess stories are written for a reason.one from my childhood,The Emperir Has No Clothes."by their own words,they will be exposed"-Sinead O'Connor, song of same name
Leslie? I am impressed that you personally know the president elect, but saddened to know that you regard him as a pathological liar.
My exposure to pathological liars has only been by rumor. Rumor is what matters most nowadays.
not rumor. "by his own words"..."i did not make fun of that reporter", "ive never met putin", "i have no dealings with russia, or planned dealings", hillary and obama founded isis", "ill release my tax returns if i win""when obama showshis birth cert
I am impressed by the "ignorance" not a slight just an observation. Have you never trash talked publicly?. It seems like you are now. I am certain that if you were competent to negotiate in the international world you would get Trump. Winner!!!
oh please!! that oaf was demanding obamas birth certificate.demanding!said he sent an investigative team to kenya, remember?then, said i will release my taxes when the usurper shows his bc.*crickets* then it was if i win.really, its never.privilege
It appears that you folks do not get out much. What you so naively think what a pathological liar is totally misses the mark. You do not get it but you throw it around just for insult purposes. None of our elected leaders are pathological liars.
Kara, I agree with you. The problem is that too many people follow and emulate these liars.
well, then i would think you would reprimand your fellow conservatives who say liberals hate america. unless you believe that is rooted in fact? and trump said obama founded isis.for what purpose? mote/eye, that kind of thing....
Leslie you make an extremely valid point. The trouble is that you just engage in it from the other-side. Not good and not helpful. I have a daughter that works for the DNCCC and she does not hate the other side, why do you?
i am providing balance to their hate.and trust me, i have felt it, since day one.i just read that trump opponents are "shallow, intellectually challenged and blindly follow foolish rhetoric."what should my response be, "oh come on fellas, be nice"?
Doesn't that kind of sound like the classic escalation problem. Fight fire with fire I suppose. It also makes it seem that the divide is more rhetoric of one up man ship than a divide on substantive issues.
i dont see it that way. i see it as having my voice heard in the milleue they have chosen. for instance, what is the nice, polite way to counter "liberals hate america"? there isnt 1. you want us to bring a knife to their gun fight. go chastise them!
No doubt that you have a valid point Leslie. It would seem that much of the divide is just using inflammatory language not substance. "Liberals are against my vision of/for America" But not completely. We both want....
absolutely. i have been schooled on hate rhetoric since limbaugh came on talk radio, and called clinton the "pot-smoking, draft-dodging philanderer-in-chief". and i personally & firmly believe theres a concerted effort behind it. russia?? ah haaa
I think we can absolutely do better in such area as labeling. Limbaugh is an entertainment person - he says it I believe.
McCarthy and the "commie" label is the best. Oops that was about Russia invading also. Interesting how history repeats.
he was a key note speaker at the 94th congress...hardly just an entertainer. and politics makes strange bedfellows. im quite sure many of the right here are mccarthy supporters..interesting, indeed.
No doubt serious entertainers have influence. Hmm Clancy, Reagan, now Trump. Aren't just about all POTUS's authors? I wonder if Rush will ever make the leap. Maybe acting helps them be pathological liars ??? ;-)
or payments from a source who wishes to cause hatred.
Wow WEE! I am impressed with your attempt to speak your truth to lies. That was you keeping it real, don't stop, Bradmaster.
And so there I was, looking up "polarizing conservative fanatics" and Brad's face was at the top, not even sponsored. Brad, being a conservative by normal standards I am in awe of your reactionary perspective. The amount of responses to you indicate.
There is substance in your comments. The least you both can do is refer to stm specifics, and argue your pts. That is the liberal approach. Eric ur passive aggressive personal attacks. Eric the Christian, not a good example, or is it?
Brad my boy or naivete do not presume to know what a Christian should or should not do. It is well beyond your ecclesiastical knowledge. You hurt conservatives because -- well because you come from Orange County and that says it all.
trump got 80% of evangelical vote. id say its in your hands.
I'd say "evangelicals" forgot God gives "choice" e.g. gay marriage/abortion (Josh24:15) which Religious fanatics fell for! Scripture doesn't say right but if God gives "choice," who is man? I'd say Religion LIES & was AGAIN used as ulterior moti
thank you for that. we have lost our humanity towards one another because of religion. what irony, huh?
When man (Adam) fell & acquired the "nature of sin," the world became Satan's kingdom! Being the shrewd subtle serpent that he is, what better 'tool' to use to loose souls than RELIGION? Why we MUST obey *last* commandment (Acts1:4) 2 o/smart hi
You've said you've read Bible twice; this x read *last* commandment in Acts 1:4 & obedience in 1:14 for Power 1:8 so He can do as 1:2 which occurred AFTER He ascended & as He does TODAY! Herein lies THE CONNECTION! Then I Jn Chptr 2 takes ef
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You go Pat! LOVE is the key! TRUTH is LOVE! The ONE THING you missed is GOD who is [REAL] LOVE! The foundation of EVERYTHING that will "heal the nation!" Unfortunately, MOST "think" HE'S a joke but is the ONLY THING that will "heal America!"
If there is a divide, which I think only is true by extremists, this comment shows why. Really? Mudslinging to counter mudslinging? That makes no sense at all. And we are lucky that it only pertains to about .05% of our people. That is the norm?Not!!
A survey has revealed more than a quarter of Muslims in France follow hardline Islam and almost half support Sharia law. Not tiny.
I agree, and where ever they settle they make taking over the law their first goal. From there the settled country becomes their surrogate country, with the ultimate goal to have it become their country.