Perhaps I read this quote out of context but could find no Vatican context to put it in. I am a great proponent that we all use judgment every day and prohibitions don't mean the day to day judgment. But there is no question here, the Pope is talking full judgment. His judgement as the successor to Simon Peter. The Pope did not even do that with Hitler or Mussolini. We love this Pope but he has seriously stumbled in the are of vainglory. He should repent. Or do you think it is justified to treat a US president worse than Stalin and Pol Pot? This Pope has major Catechism issues.
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Tamara I take a different position in this matter. I really, for this notion, do not give a pebble of sand what someone does of does not do. A Christian must never make love conditional. Judgment based on a condition is wrong. Departure from Christ.
Christians are morally obligated to call out evil, and you can condemn an action while loving the person. Otherwise you can't condemn rape and murder, much less punish, leading to more evil acts.
Right on Tamara -- but the Pope was clear he was going to judge the man not his deeds.
A valid point but us Christians are really not to judge others righteousness or their morality. Judging if he dresses right or if they drive too fast is normal and fine. But clearly that is not what the Holy See is talking about. Character?
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John you are saying what the Pope did not say. The quote is in the question. He did not modify it with "president". Are you saying the Pope gets to do the capital "Judge" on anyone? Liking these two is irrelevant.
No, Eric, and neither is he. When interviewed the Pope was asked what he thought about Trump. His answer was " he would wait and see what his actions were before he would make any judgement. He did not say he'd condemn him or anyone in agreement.
No Theresa that was not the question the See was asked what the See thought about Trump. I am on my third year of Catechism and I am certain what the See said and it is not in keeping with not judging. I am adamant about this. It is not a slip.
Two interesting points Kathleen. The Pope gets to "Judge" as a person. And the qualifications for POTUS requires precedent political position.
I do not do not think the pope gets to talk of his personal. And I think in some ways prior position hurts
I see your point. It was only about 50 years ago the Vatican took a great deal of heat for staying silent during the rise of Hitler and the subsequent Holocaust. I'm torn between a religious leader imposing himself into politics or not.
That conundrum is really interesting. What did Shakespeare say about love? if we look at what Jesus said about the coin with Caesar's likeness we must pause. Maybe Mother Theresa is the value to strive toward. Normally we pray for our leaders?
I am a champion that we all judge. Driving a car, temperature of water, stepping off a curb. But the Holy See speaks of judgment - wrong word or political word it is very scary. Putin affected the election bad -- the Holy See affects it OK?
The Holy See did not try to have any affect on the election. Some bishops asked that people exercise their vote with care. None of them tried to push one or other of Candidates, We did watch with interest.
John we attend a Roman Catholic church through communion of the Saints of Episcopals. We attend the oldest Basilica in the US. My home follows such matters carefully. I do not falter in truth as to what was said. No one supports our Pope in statement