This is what Trump did with the Birther Movement. He made allegations of Obama not being born in this country and no record of his going to college. He never proved it one way or the other, but it stayed out there for years to delegitimize Obama's presidency...and there are still some people who believe him. He is doing the same thing now with Hillary winning the popular vote. He has no proof, but he won't let it go. Doesn't the president of the United States have better things to do with his time and our tax payer's money?
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Au fait, I am with you, it is so funny, that the people who voted for trump because of what he said he was going to do for us and then turned around and lied about everything.
Blessings my friend
Au fait, the only disease I see is Trump Derangement Syndrome here on HP and on TV and in Hollywood... This man has done more for the average person in 1 week than Obama in 4 years...
mind explaining what that is?
Gladly. He has changed Washington DC and put the people ahead of politics. In immigration reform, in crime in inner cities, in environment protection, in energy policies and in getting jobs back in the USA...and wall street is up over 10%,leading ind
what?he has issued executive orders,and most of them suppress ordinary people.im a working gramma with kids.know what he told me?women are second class, immigrants are dirt, democrats win by cheating,i am king.and you support him just as i did obama
At the end of the day, it does not matter what we support or believe...It matters what gets done. Time will tell. We had 8 years under Obama, now we will see what Trump can do. Take a deep breath...
no,i dont believe i will.from 2010 when i joined til now, there are many people here who had nothing good to say about obama, ever.in fact,made it a point to criticize, belittle,insult on daily basis.expect the same.trump is setting up police-state
How much did the stock market rise under President Obama?
Here is President Obama by the numbers: You decide.https://hubpages.com/politics/President-Obamas-Leg...
Jack Lee, you are absolutely RIGHT!! Trump has done far more than any president in history.Given the things Trump has done for all of us, I personally would rather he had NOT done those things, & I think most people would agree.The guy is unstabl
What things? and who agrees with you?
Trump and his followers are all giddy over 1000 points of stock market rise. Were you this excited when Obama moved it from 8000 to 19000?
trump did not win - the Republican Electoral College chose trump, just like the Supreme Court chose GWB in 2000. Big difference in winning and being the chosen one.
yes.and as we see,the mandate in this country is against him.remains to be seen if he goes the dictatorial route,and starts mitary clamp-down.and remains to be seen if military follow the orders of a mad man. when does someone tell the emp hes naked?
Your fear mongering is uncalled for. No body picked a president. Please study and understand our Constitution. It worked the way it was suppose to. You may not like the results but it is our way. We did not like it when Obama won 8 years ago...
thats your opinion, not mine. and day by day, im beginning to see why they wanted trump. great evil is on its way. dont know why humanity keeps reliving it, but gd, here we go again. f trump
Shyron: I could not agree more. But if anyone should be grateful to have slipped into the Oval Office through the back door - you'd think he would and not keep drawing attention to the fact.
Leslie, now we are using evil to describe people we disagree with. You've lost me. In all the years I criticized Obama, it was always on his policies and the lack of results. I never thought he was evil. His world view and my are opposites.
you may not have. plenty of others did. he was the antichrist, a muslim terrorist, working with the muslim brotherhood to destroy america, and even a thread once, with obama as the red-eyed devil, asking why do liberals hate america. why b upset now?
Leslie, why do you allow the fringe groups to dictate the agenda and create the hate in you? My advice is to ignore these groups on both sides and focus on what makes America great. How do we improve all our lives, despite our differences.
erm, we have a fringe group prezident. that means, to them,i am the enemy. not a fellow citizen. when you hear sean spicer speak, he has contempt for democrats. trump says hillary got 3million more votes only cause they were illegal.i/e dems are sh**
Jack, President Obama wasn't evil. He was a decent man. Trump is not. He proved that fact before 60 million Americans elected him. They did it knowing how evil he was. That's a national tragedy. The worst part is they aren't sorry.
I agree Obama was not evil, but he was not a good executive with very little experience. You belief almost 50% of the country voted for Trump because they are all evil? And are racist and ... you are sadly mistaken. They mostly voted to drain swamp.
he hasnt drained the swamp. not one bit. and if u saw who was with him today, it was people who care less for swamp draining, or getting along with dems. wayne lapierre of the nra? and he thanked heritage and jim...jim demint?? the original tea party
Leslie, who are you considering part of the swamp? The swamp are people in government and elected officials and their staff...people who have been there 30 years and done little to solve problems...
ohhhhjh! i was thinking it was rich billionaire businessmen who take over gubmints with coups, to further enhance their bank accounts!
Yes, those people under the Obama Admin. Including Goldman Sachs alumni, who made a fortune in stocks and rising markets, at the expense of the averge folks...stagnant wages, and bailouts...
odd you dont mind the six of them appointed to trumps cabinet!
or exxon running state dept...
or surgeon running hud.
by george to me if it doesnt look like a mad hatter tea party from alice in wonderland
Explain to me your problem with Dr. Carson, the ultimate outsider. Please study his background and tell me why he is not qualified in your eyes. Stick to the facts please. Read his biography and the charity he started...
i dont need to. hes a surgeon. hes never run a gvt agency, nor has any experience in hud. thats like hiring a politician to perform surgery! it cheapens the proffession. like, "here, anybody can do this". makes a joke out of gvt service. imo
How about this -
yup. voter suppression, redistricting and crosscheck are the problem...ignored by the gop and trump.
Jack, that article is about a poly sci prof's theory, based on statistics. There is NO actual evidence to support his theory. Also, Washington Times is owned by a subsidiary of the Unification Church, so it has its own weird agenda.
Yes, so why doesn't our government want to know the answer one way or another?
It can be easily solved. Here is my proposal -
It is not a heard problem to solve or expensive. If given access to the database of voters, Social Security, INS and the prison system, a smart program can process the information in very little time. It will be able to determine the voters by cat...
mr. lee, haven't you heard, trump's daughter, son in-law, press secretary are all registered to vote in two (2) different states, and that is what trump is complaining about, saying that people are voting in 2 states?
Shyron, the problem with voter fraud is not duplicate registrations. This is a small part and many are because they live in two places. The real problem is illegal aliens voting. We have no voter id. Anyone with a drivers liscense in CA can vote.
im sorry, that is wrong. this has been investigated by many organizations, and found NOT to be true. he cant use that as an excuse for hillary having majority on her side...but he better learn what it means.WE are legion. and we wont be squashed
What investigation? where are you getting this information. No one has done the work to find out who is actually voting in CA. Some polls have suggested 15% of illegals have voted but that is not scientific.
brennan center for justice, for one. and pew research, who trump quotes, said they found no evidence of voter fraud that he alleges. however, they need to examine crosscheck and voter suppression laws. this is where problem is imo. but they wont.
You mean like this one -
There is much room for improvement...
but which improvement? if i say to you, what about voter suppression laws that were put in to place 2012, to "help romney win" ? what about greg palast great investigation on crosscheck? he claims 75,000 votes in mi not counted! what about that?
What voter suppression laws are you referring to? Are you saying we should not have a voter id system? How do you tell if someone is qualified to vote? Or do you care?
"the gop's stealth war against voters"
greg palast, aug 24, 2016
found in rolling stone magazine...which did fantastic reporting about 2000, and the voter fraud in ohio. n carolina declared "not a democracy" due 2 their suppression of black americans
What are you claiming to be voter suppression laws? A voter id law is not suppression. It is to insure people who votes are legal. Every country has something like it. Only in the US it is discouraged? Why?
well, they closed early voting.closed sunday voting.closed polling places.sometimes people with no car expected to go far out of their way.sent our phony flyers telling people polls open on wrong days.people waiting 7 hrs in line.need birth certifica
Ok, these are fair criticism of local election practices. Some are a violation of laws. I would let the police handle them like any other crime...on another point, are you not bothered when 90% of a group vote for one party?
no. thats what it is in america. thats why this country doesnt work. every 4 yrs, 1/2 of us are devastated. yet we fight back and forth EVERY 4 YEARS. why? lets just split! live and let live. 2 fed gvts, choose: red or blue state. we cannot get along
That's not the answer. I am conservative living in a blue state of ny. We faught a civil war to keep the union. The answer is we must come together for the greater good. The way it works is for one party to govern at a time...
that was turned on its head last time around. rules have changed. the sole purpose of the gop was to make obama fail. now, we have 100% gop fed gvt. not concerned w my rights, but their religion.i refuse to bow, so what i do?what do dems take from u?
Here is my advice. Follow what the TEA party did after 2010. They organized grass root, elect people to office and ultimately won the majority of both houses... that is the democratic way. You have to convince people your policies are the right one.
but we already did that! already fought for voting rights, reproductive rights...what good is it when they can be taken away next time other side gets in power? im TIRED! its a waste of life to constantly fight just to be able to live as we see fit.
I'm sorry but that is how our system works. No one is taking any right away. With regard to abortion, there are some 55% of us that believe it should be rare and not done in the 3rd trimester. Can you understand that?
OUR house of reps...all of us, said they are a pro-life house. read that: anti-abortion. no one says you must have an abortion, you must marry a person of the same sex, but the other side says we cant do either. see the difference?
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Peace and hope you find it.
Been practicing Jack?
Chinese have an old saying -
"Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated"
Happy Chinese New Year! 4715, year of the rooster.
Right, you have to convince people 'your way' is right. Until people have the reality of life & death generally in the correct perspective - we will be divided & held hostage by ignorance & religious misconceptions while laws change, acco
Catherine, what religious misconceptions? You mean like the 10 commandments? How people should treat each other, the golden rule? How judgement is God's alone? How we are saved by grace? ...
God bless the USA.
Pretty much. Read my 1st spotlight article. 'Salvation' has been debunked so many ways; and I don't even have every way in there. All religions are tainted to control the emotions of the people. God's plan is much less sadistic, diverse & inclusi
What golden rule Jack? The one that says "he who has the gold makes the rules"?
It's about Power & money, to those that have both, little else matters except more, you are fortunate to have both, but if not GOP/tea baggers won't care for you ei
The golden rule - treat others as you would have others treat you or in another word, love thy neighbor.
Religion for the most part have been a positive influence on our world. Without it, you will get what Communism Russia and China is after WWII..
can you say with a straight face that the christian tea party loved obama?
can you say with a straight face that christians here treat liberals with anything but derision? i would love for you to give this message to them. thats a good place 2start!
Leslie, Christians and Tea party does not hate Obama. They don't agree with his policies. In specific, his spending on social programs that put us into heavy debt. That was the tea party movement, Tax Enough Already. You object to Trump the same way
so, you saw no hatred directed at obama all those years, just policy disputes?
trump voters refuse to be honest, and nothing will ever change until they do.
I can't speak for others but the debate I had with Obama was always on policy. The same I had with Bill Clinton in the 1990s. With Clinton, I also had differences with his character. The impeachment was never about sex. It was about his abuse power.
i think its your duty to speak against other christians...just as christians demand muslims renounce exremism of their religion,so must you renounce yours. because,they speak and act for your god! so,when you see a christian practice vileness, speak!
Leslie.. We surely know U can go on 4ever! U have, U do & 4 damned-sure U will. Go on 4ever Leslie. Knock URself out silly. UR words are repetitive, UR whining just drones, UR finger that points back must B nearly frozen in place. & UR girl L
She's done,finished, washed up. Period, the end. WHY? Bcuz she's a liar, a sneak, a snake, arrogant, unlikable, nasty, all talk no action, CORRUPT. w/ fans who CRY a lot & loudly 4ever! Nothing more, nothing less. UR angry bcuz BRAD is correct!
wow. actually, ive never found brad to be correct on anything. but i sure wonder why you so mad! you won! you have 100% of us gvt, and still you rage on about hillary...shall all us libs just go into hiding, make u happy? i am member of hp, citizen.
ALL U ever do is RAVE on & on & on about the other side. Are U Kidding? You're hilarious! U never STOP & even admit it! Enuff from U! U badger & insult ALL day long, every day! Give it a rest girl !
I just heard how trump said he is going to take Iraq's. Sounds dangerous 4 our soldiers still there, to tell a sovereign country that President trump plans 2 take their natural resources for his own. Is he declaring war on Iraq?
not only that, he likes torture. and he uses a non secured phone. and his staff uses a private server. and he shoots out executive orders like ding ding ding, when his worshippers called obama a tyrant for less. andhe thinks dems are illegal voters.
How about this story on voter fraud -
bush wh investigated fraud for 6 years. they came up w like 41 cases or something. and since none of you care that the dnc was hacked and info leaked to help trump, why should you even care about fraud?
From the Jack’s link above
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Paula, you want the higher NJ taxes I'm paying because Trump dumped 6 of is bankruptcies on my state? You bet you don't. You don't win an election by allowing Russian hackers to help you. Sorry but you need professional help for that mental problem.
oh lolol!! trump guy on voter fraud story..that gregg phillips guy...AP is reporting he's registered to vote in 3 states!! and owes over a mil in taxes...ya just cant make this stuff UP!
Gee that's funny. ONLY in Republican States is an ID necessary. Here in NJ, you don't need one. You register once. But how about Tiffany Trump, Mnuchin, Spicer and Bannon all registered in 2 states each? That the kind of voter fraud that bothers you?
Eleanore, I agree with you, trump's son in-law registered in two states.
Did they vote in both, who knows. Just think trump said it was voter fraud if he did not win before the election. Now that he won says it is voter fraud? Putin?
It's a funny thing that he has been the only one to ever have questioned that!!!!
theres another thing that kobach was involved in called crosscheck. why dont they investigate that, too? of course, that was republican rigging, so that can go under the rug. *wink*
The only reason Trump is harping on this is because the left is using the popular vote to delegitimize his victory. The rule is the rule. If the election results were to be change to a popular vote, he would have ran the election differently.
you think so? well gee, she did win more votes, and he has to deal with it, not change it. and there is opinion that its a way for republicans to implement voter suppression mechanisms in big dem states for future elections....THAT makes sense to me.
Game Over see you in 4 maybe 8 years. Ta Ta
Les..Let me use UR words! "Well Gee, she lost the election & she has 2 deal w/ it, not change it & there's opinion that it's a way 4Libs 2 implement more voter Fraud & corruption 4 future elections! That makes sense 2 me!"Just call me LES
We won't C leslie in 4 or 8 years.She will have worn herself into oblivion, hanging on, kicking, screaming, whining, crying, bashing Bush, Powell, Rice, Trump. Building shrines 2 worship & adore her Hillary (Crimes & all). She self-abuses!
im not going anywhere. and unless herr fuhrer gets nutty, and makes religious right a requirement for citizenship, neither are 79.3% more of us. enjoy your special privileges, like multiple comments, and insulting others freely...you dont phase me!
LOL.Hi there genius! The word U want is "FAZE"...not phase, Einstein.Who the hell would care to faze a nobody? Certainly no privileged person.U R SO funny.Missed UR calling.Should B a stand-up.Thanks 4 the laugh Mrs.Chris McCowen!! Best of luck
oh no, im not a nobody. nor is anyone here, who joined hubpages just like all of you. difference is, i dont go around trying to get rid of people i dont like...cause there are about 6 that could go. but you all have that power...i want to know why.
If you really cared about voting integrity, you'd worry about why Tiffany Trump, Mnuchin, Spicer and Bannon are still registered in 2 states each. You do know why...tax cuts on their assets in those states. Integrity anyone?
No that's the least of our problem.
In NY, the votes are so ovrwhelmimng Democratic, there is no chance voter fraud, if exist ,will mean anything. However, in the few swing state where the difference is only a few thousand votes, that is where focus.
so, listen..why mess around. just do the vote over. no russia, no comey...clean.
This problem is easily solved. I worked at IBM Research many years. The IBM Watson system is very good at processing Big Data. All the government have to do is provide access to the voting data, immigration data, birth and death record data...
so tell trump. he and gop own it all. the rest of us just pay them.
I am with you Leslie, let us do the vote over without the Electoral College, No Russia intervention, No Comey intervention, An honest clean election.
omg, id love it!
Me too Leslie!!
You are absolutely right about this. I am convinced Washington bureaucrats do not want to get to the bottom of this voter fraud. If they did, they can get the answer easily using either Google or IBM Watson. These company has the resources to process
Trump can't stand to be criticized and lose. He has to attack his opponents. Those are symptoms of his NPD. I predict this investigation will never end, because he doesn't have any proof and he wants to give these allegations a life of their own.
Mike, you are probably right. There are some answers no one wants to know... such as number of illegals in US, number of crimes commited by illegals, number of people on welfare that are illegals, number of illegal that voted...
Mike..I simply can't believe U just did that! (copy UR previous comment rather than admit & concede Brad's response is 100% accurate.Correct! DT can't stand 2B criticized or lose.I C some writers here have the same flaw. Brad's every word is true
Jack..U may B right BUT all of that isn't even necessary. All any 1 must do is know the truth about CA. (& read Brad's facts) LOOK at the documented numbers per state, take off the Clinton-blinders & voila....it's all right there.
Paula: That was a general comment that I believe. It was not addressed to Brad specifically or anyone in particular. This is one of Trump's strategies, just like the Birther movement with Obama.
M.R. So WHAT if it's Trump strategy? Isn't ALL of Politics "strategy?" politicians don't use strategies? YES, they do! OK, Our POTUS w/ NPD (UR diagnosis) uses"strategies"UR point? Mike, pls don't Bcome a Leslie or A.P nutcase! UR better than that!
in other words "get in line with us trumpets, or we may not "tolerate" you anymore.
ap and i both banned from forums. i think she means business, pp.
Paula: So what if he didn't win the popular vote? He did win the electoral college vote and he is President of the United States. Many investigations have already shown there is very little voter fraud in this country. It's all about his ego.
Well, if U don't think MILLIONS of illegals voting in Ca. is "voter fraud," what do you call it? CA. illegal aliens was your "majority of popular votes" corrupt Hillary got!! And that is a damned fact, no matter how much denial abounds!
Everybody: Read this: (Conservatives and Trump supporters won't believe it.)
Mike.1st~I am neither a conservative nor was I a Trump "supporter" Out of courtesy to U, I read the link. Several sites were mentioned & called "unreliable." What makes POLITICO reliable? How can we know? Mike..I believe NOTHING at this point!!
Any US psychologist would tell you that people who call lies "Alternate Facts" are mentally deranged individuals who try to micro control the world around them. When anyone dares to defy their mentally defective agenda, they dump blame on others.
Paula: If you will look on the right hand side of the page. It lists a multitude of sources that you can check. That is the difference, fake news and propaganda sites don't list their source. They are just opinion.
Mike - Clive said there is going to be a New US outside of the USA, I think that is your place because you don't seem to realize Trump is president of these United States. Your orig ? has mutated to oblivion. Just a thought,
yes! thats exactly what we need.a place where people are free to live and love as they see fit, and dont mind helping their fellow human beings.if california is serious about it,i would hope other blue states could join them. life too short. b free!
You are getting a little off topic. This is for voter fraud discussion.
I wrote something today that addresses this particular lissue -
yes, donald is certified a-one fruitcake. im trying to think of an actor whos played someone like him in a movie...it WILL come to me
Because there is 0 evidence of voter fraud. Zero. We have as much evidence to investigate the moon being made of cheese or of Donald Trump being a Muslim.
thing is...bush investigated already. for six years! found 41 cases or something. the guy who claimed it has been on tv. not ready to provide proof yet. says he will name them. 3million names...of illegal voters. suuuure. when donald releases taxes.
Brad; You are right. My original question has sort of gone by the wayside. However, Trump is doing what I said he would to with the birther movement, he is leaving it as an open issue and will continue to bring it up now and then without any proof
Mike, if you believe that, you should support my proposal to get to the bottom of this.
We should know one way or another...
sorry, but one or two states DO sway elections, and the candidates suck up to 12 states.a womans vote in wyoming is worth three times a woman in california.these were originally slave states,who were given special deference to stay in union.its 2017
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