Pride is not an emotion I thought would have been very prevelant for me after Trump took office; but I find myself impressed with protestors coming out every time Trump does something silly - which happens often, LoL! United we stand, divided we fall. These are people who don't want to see us fall. This could be Trump's biggest contribution: actually uniting 'the majority' - even if it happens to be against him. If there is a 'good' reason for everything, Pride & Unity might be the purpose of this shakeup. Maybe we were all a little too cozy in our own little bubbles. What do you think?
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I have to agree with this, and hope protests in future are mostly non-violent.
Picking this clown as the top answer just sums it all up, doesn't it....
Oh my penny worth did I hurt your feelings,, again?
MTP, I'll bet they would pick your answer as "best answer" over at Stormfront.
Wrench, MTP is just a classless hack who couldn't write directions to get out of a paper bag. He likes to bully others to hide the fact that he can't write anything without over-wrought cliches and hokey conjectures to justify the fantasy he lives in
Funny to see your tantrum continuing Dean Traylor. A "teacher," who adds nothing more than talking pts, like "Muslim Ban," but embarrassingly can only deflect and lacks the ability to support his arguments. Still waiting on that explanation. Clueless
You're a special brand of s***d, My Two Panties. You responded to me because you're having a tantrum. Anyway https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Angry-Writer-Mis... ....enuff said. PS how's that Socratic Method working for you?
A guy who can't win his argument tries to tell me I'm clueless...go back to your Mommy's basement and apply your Clearisol and find someone one else to act tough to. And, it's" drivel" not dribble...I think that says everything about your education.
says the "teacher" who has to unsuccessfully write an entire hub attacking my hub, without any evidence, other than your "interpretations." Mine has numbers and data, yours has feelings and point of view. I'll say it again, clueless and classless...
Like I said somewhere else Pennies: You drew first blood. I merely finished it. So stop trying to play the poor, little victim. Next time, you want to dish it out, expect me to throw it back at you.
Racists, Xenophobes, Homophobes, and sexually frustrated people will throw out insults like Halloween candy, but when someone throws them back they immediately start about Hubpages terms. But yes, there is a tender place they put those complaints..
I didn't write an entire hub slandering your work, with zero evidence to back up the garbage your insinuating based solely on your interpretations. You fail to make a coherent point & look juvenile in execution. Wrench you're the one labeling, no
Coreection:I had all the evidence on my side and all you had was a rambling wreck of an article that did little but disparage those who don't share your ideology.
What evidence exactly? Your article has none. You cut out pieces of the executive order and give opinion. I offer commentary, but have actual data. Teacher huh? As someone who has family in the profession, your work is horrendously lacking evidence..
If you have teachers in your family you should have had them edit your comments.
Trump read his EO's? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/06/report-...
PROUD of my state: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/10/washing...
Spoken like a true progressive. Your State and city is being overrun by illegals and foreigners. All those cash rich Chinese will drive housing prices out of reach of average Americans. Have you been downtown where your city hall is?
Our housing prices have been out of reach for the average American for years. We're being overrun by HOMELESS cuz we have a nice climate & yeah - PROGRESSIVE programs & rich tech philanthropists who don't mind HELPING. Many are atheists, LoL!
I am sure that is a comfort to all the homeless people in the US. And I am also comforted that people on food stamps and without jobs in America feel like you do. How sad. Take care of our own, what happened to that America. You killed it.
It's not either or Brad. We can help refugees, and those at home, if we are willing to do so. And honestly, your guy is intent on cutting social programs. Are you really willing to help them, or just using them today to make a point?
Interesting that no one protested when Obama blocked Muslim refugees in 2011 when the State Department admitted whoops, we might have let in some terrorists.
Maybe we did. If they R waiting 4 the perfect timing to hit us, Trump's mouth & insults against them must be uber-motivating for them. If U think Trump is going to keep them out with his stunt, you're wrong. We have PLENTY of angry Muslims, now.
Catherine: I don't like Trump, but at least he SEEMS to want stronger border security. And true, we'll never be 100% secure, but we can do so much better than we did under Obummer and Bush.
Maybe. But we could have done it without a hate-normalizing president.
Someone who get it. Funny to see the rest of the ideologues on here patting each other on the backs and defending rioting, division, and hate. We all know had it been during Obama, the outcry from these shameless ideologues would be deafening...
Trump's minions say Obama did nothing but coddle terrorists & welcome illegal immigrants. Trump already proved what kind of pres he'll be B4 taking office & is following thru - CAUSING divisions to be deeper. He stirs up hate & makes it f
pres Obama was a closet Muslim, and he was a wimp with China, Iran, and the Middle East and he turned on our only real ally there, Israel. What has he done for the US homeless, jobless, and on food stamps, while he is fast tracking Muslim into the US
Baseless accusations based on a NAME. Right-wingers didn't trust Obama bcuz of that from the beginning; and really... I've been waiting for militants to ADMIT, "Gosh, how is it that he isn't the anti-christ?!" FEAR is what you base judgments on.
There is a big different between deporting people legally and doing so illegally. There also is a big difference in dropping bombs for a war that you inherited and are trying to exit and the one that Bush started.
Obama got no pass on anything.
You have your facts wrong. Half of the country doesn't support him. Or perhaps these are alternative facts.
Trust me jo... it is going to be the same in 2018 that is was in 2010, 2014, 2016... the majority of Americans (slightly more than half) are sick of the push toward left extremes, the added taxations (Obamacare) etc. and will continue to vote Reps in
The few people who voted either really REALLY wanted that person to win or the other one to lose. The 60% who didn't vote couldn't stand either. Many are protesting, appauled by Trump & his Cabinet; AND he has lost many of his own voters.
Mostly, there is no proof that he has lost any of his supporters, none... but I haven't seen the anti-Trump Reps coming around... yet... but they are disgusted by the constant attacks/protests and also the obstructionism in Congress, so it may come.
LoL! Expect the obstructionism to continue, we learned it from the GOP over the last 8 years. You haven't seen anti-Trump comments (& apologies) from his voters? I've collected some. Gov should NEVER be 'just them or us'. It should be bipartisan.
Really? Have you been to protests and talked to the people there crying for help because their families are now suffering unjustifiable circumstances. Where do you get your stats? Interviews of those protesting, I think not.
I've been to more than one alleged protest. I've spoken with several people. One more clueless than the next. Yet to meet anyone at one of these gatherings that doesn't strike me as a clueless, blithering idiot.
Really Mike what protests since the Trump inauguration have you attended and the dates?
You're offended bcuz protestors organized against pre-known assaults on our country? I'm glad someone was planning, LoL! Many people went 'spontaneously' to them, I know a couple. Don't listen, just judge & call us names. That's how Trump won.
Why were you at the protests? Did you just wander into them?
Many of Trump's supporters follow the protestors around so that they can continue to judge & provoke them eye to eye. They often carry their own signs (& guns) & have even hired a plane to spell out 'Trump' during one down in Australia, I
The Montgomery Bus Boycott was also organized. And so is every war and advertising campaign. So what is your point? Do U live in Appalachia and play a banjo all day?
I've gone to protests to talk to the people there and understand what they're thinking. Not impressed. I have yet to meet a protester who is articulate, intelligent and able to convey their thoughts in a coherent manner. Most are beyond clueless.
Mike, good comment. And imo, they are more like domestic terrorists trying to take down the country instead of helping the country. Socials issues won't get jobs, buy homes, feed ur family. Money given to immigrants cb given to homeless Americans!
Trump supporters: clueless, easily-manipulated who get caught up in the hype of the moment. We've explained, T-supporters R deaf. On this one thing, immigration, AGAIN: provokes peeps already HERE & getting angrier. Just one point, there R more.
@Mike Still no dates, places, times (????) or as with Brad any of the numerous things Trump has done other than one to violate constitutional rights, the Geneva Convention, Supreme Court rulings etc. Research not ignorant bliss.
What was the excuse of conservatives eight years ago when Obama actually won the majority & electionial college, BOTH - and threatening us leeberals with GUNS both back then and when Trump was running for president. Shades of grey EVERYWHERE!!!
Democracy depends on each side peacefully handing over power when they lose. The democrats saying we don't like it, we'll riot and threaten the lives of the other side, destroys that very basis of democracy.
You're definitely a selective reader as I can only imagine most Trump supporters are.... What about the protests against Obama's LEGITIMATE popular vote & electorial college WIN 8 years ago? That's when we started being threated with GUNS by the
Tamara, people forget the US is not a Democracy but a Democratic Republican and the difference is the election process is to pick your representatives in govt. The protesting left failed to make that their priority, and lost their voice.
I don't think Tamara is saying anything bad conservatives did to liberals is right but any protesters who damage the private property of others, threaten, harass, or harm people are always in the wrong.
Again, right-wing protestors after Obama's 2008 win weren't any better - except there were a LOT fewer of them, they weren't mixed in with leeberals, and their tempers (and litter) were forgiven cuz we knew they were MAD throwing a fit. So R we.
I was at the march in Washington on January 21st. Half a million people and not one act of violence. I'm part of the ongoing movement in my state and we all are totally opposed to violence. Anarchists are not affiliated with this movement.
Jo, The fact that the media labels certain protesters as anarchists, or that some violent protesters label themselves that way doesn't make it so. Would U suggest that one,100, or 1,000 violent so-called Christians define Christianity?
The Christian religion took a huge hit with Trump. Not only could many NOT vote for him; but the differences of opinion within their ranks is a weakening factor. While I really would not be sad to see ALL religions GONE, its a sad development.
I would not be surprised if they turned violent at some point. Trump nor his supporters care about the health of our society, nor how deeply divided we are. They run scared of things they R making worse; only care about money. Seems inevidable.
Replying mainly to Catherine: Making a general statement that "...nor his supporters care about the health of our society" is interesting. If that's the case, then approximately 64 million people in the US do not care about the health of our society.
You said it, not me. I've done the math - that is approximately 1/4 of our country. It sounds like a lot, I know - but for every one of you there are at least 2 balanced individuals with moral standards & 1 who really doesn't care about anything.
Catherine, less than half of the voting population voted in the 2016 election. Approximately half of those who did vote either voted republican or democrat, which means 1/4 of the voting population went red and the other 1/4 went blue.
Isn't that kind of what I said? LoL! Not everyone who voted for Trump voted bcuz he was GOP - in fact, I think many voted who didn't even consider what party he was in. They either saw him as 'the best' or a good way to spite Dems &/or Gov.
Tia, 64 million is conservative. I suggest the number is well over 200 million. The majority only care about their personal well being, and only give lip service to the "health" of this society. Shallow, greedy, selfish, people. That's America.
That's a broad, sweeping statement, wb - which, in & of itself makes it as ignorant as any one-sided viewpoint in here. Life is a process & learning experience & the past is the past. Keep moving forward or get trampled - your choice.
"educate yourself on the protest" - great idea, do that! We are protesting about many things & this is just one. Btw, don't ever listen to any protestors reasonings. It would be anti-Trump to consider a perspective not ruled by fear & manipul
The list was a travel restriction due to instability of those country's governments. Iran still was under sanctions at the time.
Obviously you are not researching everything Trump is doing such as gagging freedom of speech, blogging, etc of federal employees and those funded. Do your research before trying to convince others of things untrue.
Charlu, the only gagging of speech I see is on the left. Protest in UC Berkeley to shut down conservative speech while destroying private property.
U didn't hear about the gag order for gov offices he enacted? Just sign a piece of paper (which is admittedly peaceful) instead of throwing a violent protest. No one is listening to protestors & they R the majority. Its a volcano ready to erupt.
You mean like the gag order President Obama placed on the Benghazi affair? With all the congressional hearimgs, not one person on the ground were interviewed. How come?
No, its not like that gag order - its more like shutting down the normal flow of info that used to come out of those offices. Stuff that is seemingly innocuous. A shut-down of free speech & revamp of gov information. Suspicious to say the least.
Gosh, what a unique & unclouded view that we haven't heard before - LoL!
I see what's wrong in your world doesn't include the killing of innocent citizens by cops. It's wrong to kill anyone. Furthermore the police routinely extort money from citizens through the enforcement of immoral laws designed 4 that purpose.
I know you are but what am I? LoL! Trump taught his minions to act this way. I'm starting to like it. I get to call you names back & its completely acceptable! You're all RIGHT this IS fun, what was I thinking trying to be PC & respect people
If ignorance is bliss you must be ecstatic and will continue to be until Trumps rhetoric and new policies affect you or your family. Good luck try walking in their shoes, oops you might not make it. Try some research.
Thank you for pointing that out. Emotions are a powerful motivator. When the Tea Party was protesting, I don't remember hearing many complaints about it. It was about policy differences & very few leeberals questioned their 'right'.
I have no issue with protesting or emotion. But at some point it needs to attain focus and be on point. Trump didn't just happen, nor does he matter. He's the driver of the beast we've been building for years. People don't get it, still snoozing.
@JunksEller How can you say Trump doesn't matter with all the things he has done, or do you even know. The immigration thing and ban is just a few. I don't get how anyone can think federal employee gag orders are ok.
No, none of it is okay. Trump is an abomination, but we've been moving in this direction for 30 years. There are a lot of underlying issues and problems that exist regardless of Trump. They are the real problem.
We're 'moving in this direction' bcuz GOP refuse to work across partisan divides: all their policies or nothing. Chasm between ideals of people is profitable & if it turns violent (war) - better. We're always being provoked & Trump is a maste
The TEA party protests were done by grass toots and peaceful. Everything the current protests are not... How you compare the two is the answer to your question. I am waiting to see any results from these protests...
The TEA Party didn't really have anything to get violent over, did they? Its not like Obama didn't win fair & square without having to insult others over & over to gain a section of the country whose people R always easily impressed by non-PC
You have learned nothing about the TEA party and how politics work in America.
The Tea party was a grass root movement because they rebel against a government that tax and spend (like Obama) which is contrary to our Constitution...republic
Really? Taxes & spending are unconstitutional? I wonder why those things have been happening since long before I was born? "Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES!" Blame everything you don't like on Obama & forget past GOP transgressions. Typical.
I criticized Bush when he added to the debt and I did so under Obama. What you are not understanding is we are robbing from our kids and grandkids. We have spent there future and nothing to show for it.
Especially if we scrap every expensive thing we've done to improve this country for them. I'll assume you don't 'get' how Obamacare saves us money in the long run; nor any other enlightened platform beyond, 'keep people poor to benefit the rich'.
True. I think most of us brushed Trump off B4 the election & were sure he wouldn't win; bcuz we couldn't believe people would actually be so inspired by someone that divisive & disturbing. We underestimated how easily manipulated people were.
Catherine I couldn't have said it better myself. Who would have thought?
Were we not a divided nation before Trump. The divisions became mainstream beginning in 2011 when Obama ran for his second term against Mitt Romney. That's when the mainstream media began its "all white men are evil and rich" dialogue.
We've always been divided but you're right - media play on divisions to sway things the way they want them to go. This time, the results were Trump & he backfired on them, ha! There are a few funny anecdotes. Herding sheeple isn't one of them.
Do you have any idea of all the things he has done? Seriously, I forgot you probably just listen to the news (now censored) and haven't researched it living happily under a dictator wanting your money.
From outside USA news isn’t so censured, Trump is seen for what he is; dictator in the making. For those born in aftermath of ww2 Europe its reminiscence of history repeating itself; in spite my earlier comments I can see violence may be justifiable
Thanks Arthur I wish others like you could see exactly what he is up to and the destruction of this country it will bring if continued.
I’m still waiting for the list of Obama’s accomplishments... a lot of hope and not too much change! Ushered in the unthinkable Trump administration. What amazing times we are living in!!!
Robert keep waiting this thread isn't about Obama it's about protests and the things Trump has done leading to the protests. If you want the Obama administration accomplishments ask a new question.
Trump likes Obama SO much better now, why don't his supporters? LoL! Many of his minions insist that Obama did nothing for this country. That alone proves their inability to think beyond the hate they've cultivated against anyone who voted for him.
Yeah I guess capturing Bin Laden and the thousands of troops that came home means nothing it's all about the terrorists. Its like saying all cops are dirty. We obviously don't discuss the school shootings and other bombings
I agree with Larry
"They say and do the outrageous things which is exactly what people do when they don't get their way." Another flip: Trump is a master fit-thrower, LoL! If he manages something worthy of celebration, I will be at that party happily eating crow.
I will hold you to that... haha... At least you are not one of those suffering from TDS.
Actually, I was excited to see who would win (wrote a question election night); bcuz I ASSUMED everyone did their homework & voted the best. It was after the stats came out & we could see who & why peeps voted (& didn't vote) that cha
When Trump does anything that makes sense and will truly help the issues without jeopardizing the rights and lives of US citizens and its immigrants (we have welcomed for years to "become a citizen"), I will praise him to all listening
Trump had many opportunities to bridge divides. Hell, just stop pitting the emotions of his supporters against his opponents on Twitter would do wonders. He doesn't even try bcuz that would make his rabid supporters suspicious & he needs them.
liberals don't do homework, they just follow their party,and its shepherds. HRC had zero accomplishments in 30 years. She had personal accomplishments but none that also benefited the country or its people.
Regurgitating the comments of anti-Trumpsters has got to be mindnumbing; although I suppose if you just CAN'T come up with your own stuff, you have to rely on people who actually THINK. *I* don't 'follow' a party & voted for Obama ONCE.
The hypocrisy from the RIGHT and encouraging further [beyond what Trump already did cuz that's Okay] division, hate, and discourse is unacceptably appalling, but in no ways surprising at all. Double standards on full display as always.
Are you that unoriginal, so removed from the reality that adults occupy, & unable to justify your warped viewpoints that you have to literally regurgitate what I said? Just ignore that inconvenient truth, right? Embarrassingly misinformed/misguid
Actually, I was pointing out how similar we R - Trump & Co. keep flipping things around that apply to them. Its hysterical & SO hypocritical. Judging people means U don't have to think or value anyone else's opinion. Its a valued Trump tactic
Actually we're not very similar. I don't justify violence, division, and destruction and call it "protest" or support ppl that are calling a democratically elected President or his supporters Nazis or fascists b/c I didn't get my way. That's gross...
MTP, Your hypocrisy is legendary. The U.S. was founded on slavery ,genocide, and thievery. That equals "violence", "hate", and "division". That's the argument U can't win because it is a fact. Get an education.
Wrench: What was done to the Indians was wrong, and, to the best of our ability, that wrong needs to be righted - we must compensate the tribes. Then we move on.
Hxprof, Over 500 years later, and considering Standing Rock, when do you suppose compensation will occur? Now the master thief claims that the United States is a nation of laws. And as U can see, the sock-puppets believe in this fiction.
Advocate for it and I'll back it. That said, this generation had NOTHING to do with that. We do need to compensate, but we don't need to live as though we have no right to be here.
and you're laughably uniformed wrenchbiscuit. You're warped version of history is so far removed from even the garbage they "teach" in schools, I'll take any insult you attempt as a compliment. Your "education" produces only illogical fantasies...
It's "UNINFORMED" not Uniformed.
Kind of like the hyprocrits, and self absorbed trusting Trump supporters oblivious to his already numerous choices then crying about it when they fall victims to his dictatorship, losing freedom of speech, civil rights, Supreme Court rulings, etc.
Actually, we already supposedly 'compensated' Indigineous Peoples for our country's crimes against them & continue to do so. They don't need any more compensation - frankly, it hasn't helped much. What they need is equality & our respect.
Yeah, was awesome.. I had been hanging out on HP too much - seems like protestors R overrun here. I met a brilliant, handsome guy, too - banker/country musician. Didn't know they existed & not really a country fan. Dinner again last night. :)
Catherine despises what the right represents but gladly enjoys dinner with a banker.
Actually, that was our last date. His views are too left for me - he likes Bernie just a little too much, LoL! Your judgment of me is wrong. I'm in the MIDDLE & vote both ways, depending. Read some of this stuff U might learn.
Trump really really is. There have been other presidents in office who I didn't agree with; but I've never been embarrased about the way any one of them represents this country before.
Berkeley was a protest that chilled freedom of speech by forcing the speaker to not attend his prearranged speaking engagement. A peaceful protest would have made it safe for him to speak. This was more like a strike picket line.
Yes, it was a disgusting protest because it was rioting. But no one had their 1st Amendment rights denied. That speaker was told not to come by the university - they can do that.
The purpose of the protest was to keep the speaker from speaking & it finally worked. Taking free speech beyond civilized disourse by encouraging hate, racism & misogyny is how Trump impressed those marginalized few who voted for him.
Hxprof, the university didn't tell the speaker that he couldn't come. They told the Republican students that they had to pay for security. And it is a more direction violation of the freedom of speech if the University did tell the spkr not to come.
My cousin works for the U.N in Switzerland and he says to watch and react, and hang in there.
Hxprof And NO the University cannot do that. It is a violation of free speech and even more important than the right to assemble. This is a California university and it also receives federal funding. Why do you say that can do it?
Brad: My thinking is that if the University doesn't want him to speak there, regardless of why, it doesn't have to have him. It's a private institution. Granted, it does get federal $, so I see how Trump is making that an issue.
Brace yourself for lots more of this 'unfair' stuff. Trump has been poking at this divisive monster for a few years. It is the main reason why most didn't want him in that office & it is the thing his supporters apparently celebrate about him.
Hxprof - Hxprof, University of California, Berkeley is a public research university located in Berkeley,
Racist Nazis don't deserve any consideration, nor freedom of speech. A cockroach has nothing worthwhile to say. In fact, it's not even a human being. Schicke sie zur Holle wo sie hingehoren!
Good point. What else are we supposed to do with a minority mass who excludes & refuses to incorporate the ideals of 3/4 of the rest of the country? You hated Obama bcuz he was bipartisan. Maybe next time we WILL elect someone like Bernie! 100% F
Didn't like Obummer because he was bipartisan?? You're kidding, of course! I didn't like Obummer because of his policies.
Again, most people who voted for Obama did so bcuz he was willing to take the things we wanted & work with GOP reps to create bipartisan policies - which, he did. Obamacare isn't the 100% FREE everything like most leeberals wanted.
Come on, you're kidding again! Most voted for Obummer because he was the dude for "hope and change", including "leveling the playing field". Did it matter to most HOW Obummer got what they wanted? Demonstrate it!
What horrible things did Obama do to get what the people who voted for him wanted? Sure it was tough JUST getting the GOP to talk about solving the national healthcare crisis. In the end, they helped improve on it. Thats how politics should work.
He lied to the American people to pass the ACA, remember Jonathan Gruber?
Controversy surrounds Gruber's accusations & apology. My point is both sides should be working together 4 ALL not from 1 extreme or the other. Neither BO nor DT accomplish anything if it can all be so spitefully undone every 4-8 years. Expensive!
Solving the national healthcare crisis by forcing people to buy insurance and forcing companies to provide their employees insurance is a lousy "solution". That said, there might not be an acceptable solution for this.
Cathrine, that may sound good but does not work in practice. When both sides are divided, one side wins and gets to do what it wants and let the public decides. If they like it, that party will win, if they don't, the other party get their chance.
Most people in this country WANT a national solution to healthcare 4 good reasons. Dems & GOP were forced to work on a policy together bcuz THE PEOPLE wanted it. Its Y GOP keep saying they'll replace it. It just needs more tinkering, not trashed.
The health care issue is immoral and disgusting. How many of U would charge your parents or children 4 health care and medicine if U were a doctor or owned a Pharma Co.? Health Care is a right in a civilized society. This is the Planet of the Apes.
Ronnie, agree. I would go further & say that one cannot truly be a Christian & at the same time deny necessary medical care or food to anyone in need (living in poverty). Most people in the USA confuse the Money God with the God of Heaven.
When we can find a "solution" to the health care crisis without the government taking it over and issuing mandates, that's when we actually have a solution. Obummercare, no matter what you say, is NOT a solution.
Yet another response that could be cut & pasted into protestor arguments. We've never seen a President act so 'knee-jerkish', villainizing or be more polarizing. Who caused this chaos & how? If U R that bothered, they work.
Just plain jerk
Misfit Chick - If anything is knee jerk it is the liberals when they fail and they fail often because their democrat party is without a leader or a goal that benefits the country or its people. What does the democrat party stand 4 today?
You really need to learn what you're talking about. It seems you're prone to being a victim to propaganda. Read Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/28/what-those-dakota...
I sympathise with the Native Americans, I think they’ve had a rough deal from foreign settlers. In contrast the Cornish people were granted ‘Minority Status’ in 2014 in recognition of their native Celtic roots in England going back 1000s of years.
There were so many from Amarak tribes who struck with the plaque diminished quickly to Seminoles who have adjusted considerably and monetarily, etc. Many have paid an enormous price for what we call freedom.
Actually, the SR protests aren't about a pipeline or water - their water comes from upstream & is not in danger of being contaminated even if it fails. Its about a lot of other past history being dug up & re-addressed in this unproductive way
It was still the Native American land before it was European's land.
It sure was. I'm not saying that they don't have some really valid reasons to be protesting; but protesting for the wrong reasons just brings resentment. Natives should unite with their supporters for change. They know they have MANY of them, now.
If the Native's were offered a use tax from the pipeline they'd be all over it like flies on a cow pie.
The European viewpoint is primitive, and based solely on short term material gain. The oil belongs underground, and the continued removal will lead to ecological disaster. This is bigger than oil spills, which pose the most obvious threat.
Isn't it interesting that no one attacked my comment here?
Can't be bothered. Your rhetoric is so flawed, and your thinking is so warped, I think arguing with you is just a lost cause. Where was this righteous indignation about protesting when it was the Tea Party?
Agreed. Responses like this are now predictable & tired - I've responded too so many too often; and it does absolutely no good. Trump & Co only listen to Trump and/or the GOP (not necessarily both, ha!). Your crap has been heard & reject
Lisa and Catherine. Once again it is attack the person because you apparently don't have any arguments against the ones that I made. I won't waste my time with either you because you never even try to lalk abut the contents. bye bye
Bye bye. We get that you are not proud of the protestors; and we've heard the hateful BS Trump supporters keep regurgitating & have rejected it. Seeing both sides is HARD & ANY type of extremism is harmful. Can't see that? Shocker!!
Up voted. Majority of the rest apparently can't separate ideology from reality. I'd hate to live in the twisted fantasy land they think is real...
bradmasterOCccal, thank you for your most eloquent response. I think you make the most intelligent comments here and your words are not angry like most, they are just logical and sensible.
"President Obama ignored and made a mockery of the existing immigration laws, and let in potential terrorists into the country". Yes he did. Many of our friends on the left celebrated this. Sad. Tempting subject for an article. Thanks.
Protesters should never be violent, but labeling all protesters as one isn't right either. If this was just a smidgen of things Trump has done there would still be protests, but he has gone to far! Protests brought many civil rights
"Blowing up the White House" is not a fair or accurate descrption of the millions who protested peacefully. It was a comment by one obnoxious celebrity.
If we want rational debates, let's avoid the inflammatory rhetoric.
bradmaster- Brilliant insights, This kind of thuggish behavior is found in Banana Republic's when their corrupt status quo is threatened
Correct, those protests all had a simple message. The TEA party had a simple message. The current protests and rants and violence have no message. If anything, it exposes the organizers as far loons as OWS and BLM...
There R several messages in them. T-fans just refuse to listen. U know damn well what R issues R, its not like we've made them a secret or Trump doesn't validate our every concern just about every day. Keep judging & ignoring. We'll get louder.
We lost Vietnam War because of protests, it was the dems that started the war. Women's voting rts took 50yrs &19th amend. Blacks still complain about the rights 50yrs later is that a success.The US revolution was 4 the US we created not this one.
Agreed. The 20% undermajority didn't put Trump in there. Its the reason why these protests are so significant. If you didn't have a majority and you get the office, you should maybe take that into consideration when you start your reign.
Thumbs up and again many civil rights were granted due to protests, although they will hopefully bring those out who didn't vote and help people see the injustices that are coming they shouldn't be violent.
A leopard never changes his spots. Ergo, Trump isn’t the sort of person to bend with the wind; and from what I’ve seen from across the pond he’ll tell you black is white e.g. claim “its fake news” if the Press reports what he doesn’t like to hear.
Again, we're in more danger now than ever JUST bcuz of his ego-centric mouth & dishonestly - and other provocations. We can't afford to 'give him a chance'. He's done nothing but seriously underutilize & f*ck up this chance we had to give him
The real danger to the US is terrorism from radical Muslims in our country & those the liberals want to fast track into the country.
the anti Trump protesters/rioters are closer to domestic terrorism trying to stop the country, same as terrorists
Just bcuz we don't appreciate your extremist views doesn't mean we're terrorists. Terrorists would be the guys who were threatening us with guns if Hillary had won. Just the threat was a terrorist act, IMO. U could die any day 4 any reason.
You & the majority in this country didn't vote for the same reasons Trump's supporters DID vote. Next time, I really hope people don't 'not vote' just bcuz they can see they are being manipulated. Figure it out. Our votes obviously count now.
Trump won get over it. The biggest problem in US voting has existed since the 19th century is the Loyal Party Voter. They vote for the choice of the party candidate not the candidate itself. Political Parities put themselves above the country & p
There were more than 2 candidates....
Yet another reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw6R-kIX4fA I should have included it within the original question. You're no angels.
Thanks, that's the way I feel about them, too - warm fuzzies, LoL! No more going backwards, although in this case, we seem to have had to go backwards a bit before we can go forward. We'll see how things turn out. :)
Awesome answer and thanks for making us aware of other countries issues. Good luck!
Where have you been to think that politicians across the world are now emulating Trump. Trump is the symptom of a wave of worldwide nationalism, not the cause of it. Europe and Asia are going down the same road.
Trump hasn't even mentioned the millions of deaths caused by Big Pharma and the Medical Community. Nor the automobile,which continues to kill over 40,000 annually. Yet, "Islamic Terrorism" is a top priority. This is a goat herd, not civilization.
Exactly Ronnie! That's because Trump/family have and/or have had money invested in pharmaceutical companies and drawing attention would affect their bank accounts. Google Dr Lubin CNBC I was also on the med no cancer
T-fans constantly accuse non-supporters & the media of making a big deal out of things they see as small - & make a big deal about actual small stuff. The double-standards are ridiculous. Trump & Co. should take responsiblity for SOMETHIN
I'm proud of how we united afterwards - remember that? Its why wars are profitable: unite against a common cause, then destruction, then rebuilding. Obama struck a balance between STILL respecting the religion of Islam AND fighting extremists.
When the rich protest 'cause they want more money they destroy over 6,000 people on 9/11 and blame it on Muslim Terrorists. When the poor and working class protest they march, sing songs, and sometimes destroy property. There is no comparison. FTR
Ronnie, Right, one is foreign terrorism, the other is domestic terrorism.
Drama queen - look up the words. Protests are not terrorism. Okay, maybe they are when right-wingers do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw6R-kIX4fA
No, the protests probably won't change what Trump is doing; and religious extremism & populism is strangely mixed - with Dem populism being the new variable thrown in. Red states will keep electing GOP no matter what until the old ones die off.
So how old does that make you? I can't imagine being 80 and out protesting.
Actually, there are many older ladies out there - women make up the majority of protestors, and they are all ages across the board. We've come a long way, baby. :)
Not everyone who voted for Trump is a war-mongering, right-wing fanatic. There are MANY 'left' that you HATE who voted for him; and in FACT, he would not have won without them. It is the middle of the road peeps you hate. *GASP*
Didn't know you're a mind reader, seems you can discern my inmost thoughts!
"confirming to voters that they made the right choice with electing Trump" Yeah, that's why some of his supporters are deserting him, now: cuz they R sure they made the right choice. No worries, the pressure will stay on.
And why would they do that? I haven't heard of any Trump supporters deserting, my guess is that they never supported him in the first place.
Theres a twitter account devoted to Trump deserters; but I've collected comments from beneath news articles - including a couple heartfelt apologies. There R 2 main reasons: 1) he isn't divisive enough; or 2) filling instead of empty the swamp.
One phony accusation after another has been perpetuated by leftist malcontents. Anybody can say they supported Trump but its hard to prove. Trump's rhetoric was more aggressive during the campaign than it is now, so why would they jump ship now?
Mostly because many people who voted for Trump were actually liberals who wanted change; but not the warmongering stuff we are getting. The 'more divisive' ones R mad cuz he didn't prosecute Hillary, as promised. Don't believe me, search.
Chris, I don’t see any evidence of Trump encouraging people to come together; he’s the one that’s causing the divisions, and he’s the one who will not compromise. Like most leaders who act like dictators he expects everyone to unite under his cause.
It is my biggest complaint against Trump: doesn't even SORT of care about uniting this country; and has done NOTHING but divide us as much as possible to the point that it seems pretty damn intentional. I can only guess his end-goal is violence.
He has done less to divide us than President Obama...funny how perception changes depending on political leaning...
Obama divided us by race, by gender, by economic class...?
What a crock. How do right-wingers manage to convince themselves that everyone else is distorted? What did he do that was so bad to p*ss you all off? Oh that's right, you LIKE to be manipulated, insult people & don't respect compromisers.
Trump encouraged people to come together in his Inaugural address, 1 example. He has moved past tensions of the election, such as backing away from his rhetoric about locking up Clinton. It is the protestors whose end-goal is division and violence.
Hillary was divisive, calling the other side deplorables. Hardly anyone went to HRC rallies and there were no protesters or rioters, although, Bernie Sanders supporters had motive.
So are you proud of the TEA party as well during the Obama years? Be real...
Here's the video yet again, Jack - watch it or do your own search. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw6R-kIX4fA What were their reasons for protesting? What are ours? Think beyond what you think you know & actually LOOK at Trump objectively.
Cathrine, The TEA party was protesting high taxes and deficit spending by our government. As far as I can tell, your protests is that you are against making America Great! anything else? defending our borders, reducing crime in inner cities...jobs
We're not even SORT of against those things & you KNOW IT - we disagree on extremists views regarding them. TEA party started with original Obama protests in the video, THEN they decided they needed to get constructive cuz racism wouldn't work.
No, cuz its an ignorant, desperate, sweeping statement that applies as much to conservatives as to people you erroneously label as leeberals. I keep telling you, its the middle of the road peeps you're mad at. Elitists R in bed with U & T-man.
When did republicans riot. or even protest.
Really? U don't remember?
Changes start with a thought & feeling to go with it - no matter how big or small. Collectively, those thoughts & feelings R powerful if utilized well. It is unfortunate that peaceful protestors don't get attention from T-fans like violence d
I totally agree. I'd like to think that the hateful snarl Trump & Co. instigated is beginning to settle a bit now that things are moving forward & being responded to as they are happening. It gives us something semi-constructive to focus on.
junkseller, I agree they should be putting their Democratic Republican elections for 2018, and 2020 to better use. I would add that National Security is very important today, looking both here and in Europe.
Well, you may not be proud of sleepy people waking up - which was the point of this question. We were apparently too cozy in our own world. The shake-up has been helpful. Hillary would have been same-old, same-old & we would have stayed alseep.
What do you do to make our country better? Just curious.
Are you talking to me? I actually vote for one thing, ha! I also participate in my community & a help organize a couple annual charity events every year. Seattle is very community oriented. I know, weird. I write for young people, mostly girls.
I'm talking to junkseller. And congrats on your contributions to your community. The country needs more people like you.
What I DID is educate myself and participate (which included a huge heap of wasted verbage). Now, I don't think I will do anything. I don't have the heart anymore to fight ignorance, meanness, and fear.
Ignorance, meanness & fear R things Trump cultivated among his supporters & brought to the presidency. This is my biggest issue with him. He's a master manipulator who divided us real good. We've been this divided b4 but Presidents usually ca
John, you are correct in your observation. Unfortunately, you will find some here in HubPages and I suspect in America as well, that will never get it. They are so invested in their own bias, they fail to see what they are doing...
They will get it when (and if) Trumps policies start bearing fruit, and the political climate turns to where the MSM can no longer exist by trying to trash anything Trump to satisfy their liberal readers.
Another T-fan flip: protestors R opponents of unity, LoL! It is 'middle America' who is protesting NOT liberal Bernie-city-dwellers who wanted 100% FREE everything. & yeah, when/IF Trump starts caring about the political climate, things will chan
I do not think Trump cares on iota about the 'political climate', unless his supporters start showing disapproval, what liberals think or do will merely make Trumps supporters more determined to stop the rot.
They see us 'rot' & we see them as 'rot'. Thinking like that has the potential to move this nation into civil war. We're your neighbors & our kids go to school together. Stop viewing us (the majority) as an enemy & TRY to see both sides.
You are miss reading the election of Trump. We are divided but not by race or gender or any of the other classes... we are divided based on ideology and world view. We have on one side American Exceptionalism and the other globalism...
You say you are the majority, but that is questionable when we take into account voter fraud... but you are a congressional republic, not a democracy, so the founding fathers rules apply, and Trump is your POTUS, so get in the program.
Right, bcuz American Exceptionalism (new term, neat!) requires the exclusion of the rest of the world THAT IT IS MADE UP OF. We came out of the caves & moved beyond this crap a LONG time ago. Bringing it back has been irresponsible & destruct
Obviously you missed the memo, Americas middle west decided they rather liked the message and concept.
You have no understanding of that term. Which is why you will not undertand Trump supporters...
Here is an explanation of American Exceptionalism -
It may surprise you.
Trump was pandering hate speech 2 the bible/rust belts 4 the same reason McCain made Palin his vice. Again, we didn't think peeps would be so inspired by it, so we tried to ignore him & weren't worried. Any hub supporting Trump ignores & cond
Cathrine, Can you be more lucid in your comments? I have no idea what you are saying...
aguasilver- "expose the underbelly of liberal thinking, display the inherent violence beneath the 'tolerant' masks"- Great insight
Gosh, but this question has really got the bloomers of T-fans in a twist, doesn't it? Hipocracy, denial & double-standards aren't doing a thing for you. Try listening, communicating & interacting with your anti-trump HUMAN neighbors if you ca
Like I said, maybe we were all a little too cozy in our little bubbles. There are people who are concerned about those things - I've seen them say stuff on HP. But, T-fans keep knocking them down. Apparently only their version of the US matters.
Yes, I have recently been made aware that most of you have conveniently forgotten past GOP protests. Do a search to refresh your memory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw6R-kIX4fA NOTICE racism already existed B4 Trump played off it to win.
Spoken by yet another uniformed T-fan. Its not faulty or incomplete information. Trump's big mouth has been very clear since his supporters started thinking he talked neat.
lol. Who's a trump fan? I did not vote for that sorry "man". But back to my point, what is the point of the protests??
I'm really tired of re-answering the obvious. If you're not a t-fan, then you know damn well what they are about.
Your logic eludes me Catherine.
I take it the "activist group" is a gang of brownshirts and by "confront" you mean silence anyone with whom who disagree by any means necessary, including violence. The left has been taking on an increasingly Fascist nature, and it's been happening r
Yeah, that's what you've been told so that's what you believe. You might try reading some of the other responses & comments within this question to gain some perspective beyond just your own.
So what else are you doing besides protesting? that should be the question to ask yourself and all your protesting friends and celebrities?
What are they willing to do to make changes in our government? are they going to grass root meeting...
Catherine, nobody told me to believe this. I came to this belief based on the violence and the opposition to free speech that I have seen at many protests. Not all of them fall into this category, but too many do.
Uh huh, and you've never seen that from the opposition, right? Not even when that is the reason for many of these protests: to protest hateful rhetoric & actions that the extremist but LOUD minority has been promoting for years.? Its our turn!!
False equivalence. Also irrelevant; this sort of thing is wrong regardless of who does it. And these protestors (an extremist but loud minority) are engaging in hateful rhetoric and actions, not opposing it.
Am I the only one who remembers them NOT being quiet? LoL! There may be a few being paid to lead the protests like cheerleaders (someone has to start those chants). But most people R simply on the list cuz it is a topic they R CONCERNED about.
Catherine, have you seen the damage caused by these protesters, and the number of people involved in them. How can you say a few. Cheerleaders or incendiary to rioting. It goes all the way back to the BLM and anti Trump when he was a candidate.
I am not involved with BLM & Trump has LOTS of anti-Trump non-supporters who are protesting for good reasons. Maybe T-fans should stop denying everything like he does. We might get somewhere. U can't claim HALF the country as insane!
I would love to see proof of these "paid protestors" from the fake news sites.
I also would love to see conservatives stop comparing a handful of extremists with the millions who are peacefully protesting an illegitimate president.
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Fair again... That's an interesting concept. T-fans will argue it was never fair - and it wasn't. Its a process this country was working on. Their 'bad' offenses have been good for us as a whole bcuz peeps R waking up & caring. Proud! :)
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While your response is as judgmental as any other t-fan's in here; I can certainly see how putting a kink in unwanted gov systems is a pride thing. As I've said, we could have done all this without a manipulative, hate-normalizing president.
U R living in a world of good guys vs bad guys, which is a world of make believe. I guess U never considered that 2,3, or even 4 alternatives could simply be a lateral move from one "bad" to another. There is no such thing as a good government. The o
A good government is what shaped the America we are now wanting to return. A Government that is for the people is a good government. If our government were to vanish tomorrow, all it would do is raise radical armies that would 'Govern' areas with fea
Despite GOP & Trump's manipulative propaganda rhetoric, our government wasn't 'bad', it is an imperfect process that is constantly being worked on. There is no going backwards. Trump inspired these protests for very good unifying reasons.
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