The partisan argument between the left and the right on President Trump's immigration ban boils down to whether people see it as a ban on terrorism or a ban on Islam. The one question each of us need to answer before choosing a side appears to be whether we are or are not at war with radical Islam. FDR put people of Japanese origin in camps during WWII and there are comparisons being made to that time in history with the current scenario - are they the same? Regardless of where you stand on Trump's EO, what are your thoughts on the question?
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Outstanding comment Ken.
I'd agree - spot on Ken!
Why doesn't the ban include Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and the Phillipines? I have no problem with a temporary ban or even a complete ban on immigration, but let's target all the appropriate countries.
Those other countries are stable, and not on the sanctions list. This was not a big deal, the media, and the left made it a big deal. Ask yourself why Obama did it and no one complained, but Trump does it and its a 'Muslim ban'.
Fantastic answer! Most Americans have their head in the sand. They just don't get it. They'd have to experience a beheading on their front lawn to understand. By then, it would be too late. I pray it isn't already too late...
Judge Robart I guess is having no part of this so the ban is lifted and now not even Syrian refugees are ban. It's back to standard procedures I guess everyone will have to wait on Trumps appeal. WOW
I'm sure you would also have gotten "Best Answer" at Stormfront too. Good job Ken.
Says Ronnie... the person that wants America to fail and Americans (all non-Native types) to suffer horrible ends. Your comments are always filled with hate, you are a Native-American Racist/bigot.
Not "Native American" Ken. My heritage is Aniyunwiya and German.Since I do not favor oppression of minorities I can't be a racist. U don't hate, rapists, thieves, and murderers? Good! Now you can go to heaven.
Iran and Saudi approve of what is going on, in fact, they are funding it. Islam is being spread throughout Europe and America, and ultimately, it will topple those countries small (like Sweden) ones first, then the larger ones. Its well planned out
Ken where are you getting all this information and where can I confirm your facts?
That would take a lot more space than I have here... try google search, tons and tons of ways to verify this info. IE- Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal a senior member of the Saudi monarchy, pledges $32 billion to advance the islamization of America
I did your research and found he donated his entire net worth 32 billion to philanthropy following Bill and Melinda Gates. His biggest charity was for the empowerment of women, youth, & quoting Bill "A commitment without boundaries" chk &
HAH... like the $20 million to Harvard University to create a Sharia law studies program... His billions will finance Islamist pressure groups who exist to force Western civilization to yield to Islamic no-go zones, Shariah courts and blasphemy laws.
The "War" is really about dealing with the mentally ill people in the world. Terrorists tend to be mentally ill. One who advocates violence is mentally ill. Use mental health warrants and Local Police for arrests.
Funny Harvard states it was developed with support from the Klein Center and the Berkman and Luce Foundation to disclose & inform the public critically analyze them and relate change for women, children, and animal rights etc in the Muslim Wo
Ken, your comment relates to my comment how exactly?
Good point Jay
Hxprof, Exactly what do you mean, What is the US today, and what will get worse. Just asking.
We're a political and cultural mess. There wouldn't be such a powerful left wing if we were still sound.
And who are "we"?
Hxprof Where in the Constitution does it permit this ban? A President cannot make religious preferences unless they pose a public threat as in communicable diseases. Alien & Sedition Act 1798 suspending visas is only OK if at war with count
Charlu: It's a national security issue, not religious preference. All of the countries except Iran are unstable, & MORE likely to be countries of origin for terrorists - that's it .
The liberals want to make it a religious issue. If it were that we would have banned all of the Muslim countries not just 7 of them.
Over 50,000 people die every year due to drug overdoses (over half opiates drs Rx for $ incentives from drug companies) that's more than heart attacks, guns, car accidents ) 15,500 deaths gangs Let's ban those that might come in Big issue no Corp $
The United States government does not own the earth, nor does it own this continent. It is immoral to ban anyone based on fictional borders drawn by a squatter nation.
Wrench - You'll convince few, if any, here on Hubpages of your agenda. Like it or not, the US is a nation (a troubled one, yes) - & we DO indeed possess the land of the 50 states. The borders are real, the authority is real. Get over it.
A thief and a murderer have a certain authority, albeit an illegitimate and immoral authority. A man who thinks like a peasant will remain as such. But a man who thinks like a king will never live in exile.
Trump only banned countries that he had no business interests in. It wasn't about countries that actually posed a threat. If he had business in a country, that country was not banned. Do you feel more safe knowing your president put his business 1st?
HyprOx Where do U get this we own the U.S.? People from all over this world OWN property in this country. I mean Trumps parents or his wife weren't born here and I'm not sure where your ancestors are from Did you take a history class I hope?
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Right - they are at war with us regardless of our stance
Well maybe if we didn't go into their country, (after Obama got Bin Laden & brought troops home) trying to change everything they believe in. I mean different church denominations have very different beliefs but we don't kill or crucify them
The "protected" part truly bugs many of us - they're common criminals
The U.S. has been dropping more bombs and killing more innocent people since Hiroshima and Nagasaki than any other country in the world. Of course, you are not a racist. We all believe you. Of course we do.
The problem is the LEADERs of the religion... louis Farrakhan preaches anti-white, anti-western civ rhetoric... Ayatollah Khomeini and the royal family of Saudi preach a harsher intolerance, these leaders push for militant extremists and actions.
@Ronnie that's not the point. The point is that there are NGO's and people who believe that they need to kill other people and that Gd demands it of them. They are the foremost threat to modern civilization and they must be stopped.Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Ken, I have often wondered why people continue to lie when their lies can be so easily exposed these days via the internet. Farrakhan is not anti-white. He's pro-black. He speaks the truth about America, which is a legacy of evil.
It's very easy indeed to find out the truth, plenty of his 'sermons' are on youtube for anyone to watch/listen to... so I will let them be the judge to the truth of my statement.
"Manifest Destiny" is the colonizers justification 4 all atrocities. The racist can only see men like Washington and Jefferson as Founding Fathers, when in truth they were rapists, murderers, and thieves. A racist has no capacity 4 the truth.
It would be great if you could separate those who wish to commit violent acts, from those who don't. I know plenty of peaceful people of the Muslim faith. Ban people associated with terrorist groups, not an entire religion.
JOC You are so right Labels make everyone susceptible to criticism. It's like saying all cops are dirty, Catholics priests child molesters, etc. Thanks for a great comment.
I think that all religions should be open to criticism though @charlu
They are, after all, only ideas.
Why do you care about non-citizens more than Americans? Trump was doing what the people who voted for him wanted I suspect
Implementation was poor - some folks were inconvenienced; it happens.
Isn't it interesting that this ban targeted countries that Trumps business interests have no dealings with, yet put no such ban on countries where he has had business dealings. I don't think USA safety had anything to do with the chosen countries
I see you're able to repeat a leftist talking point. How about an original opinion? Maybe you should read my hub on the 7 countries and you'll understand the risk to our nation.
Enjoy U R right, however when you're bringing in over 5,000 Syrian refugees in 2 mths offering them things even our citizens can't get from seniors to the lower income it's just not fair. Like paying corporations half salary for 90 days 2 train
Ralph, before you throw unfounded accusations, let me make it clear. I lean more toward republican. I'm not 'leftish'. It's easy to brush off an argument by just claiming it's left. So, did your hub examine any other countries or just the 7?
Looks like the far greater risk to our country is the treasonous behavior of the Trump administration and the risk to national security it's created.
Crank... did you ever stop to consider, that a guy who ran on cleaning out the swamp, and blasting the media for lying, just might run into some resistance? There is no more corrupt+criminal a place on earth than D.C. and they are out to destroy him
Do you care that it appears that Michael Flynn committed treason, Donald Trump knew about it, and saw no reason to fire him after finding out? It obviously needs to be investigated thoroughly. Oh, but her emails!
Clinton is finished, Obama is finished, and come 2018 the people will vote what they believe... not what the media tells them to believe. Those days of the media ruling the masses are over.
The media is quickly fading into the sunset - they had better decide to start reporting real news again or be out of a job. The bitter squabbling about tiny political details is a worn out practice.
Seriously unless you guys have actually visited all these countries and spoken with thousands in all different areas NO ONE PERSON gets any info without media. Lynch taking the hit now but Trump is in Putins pocket both in my opinion pyschopaths
Ken, Ralph - so your conclusion is the media is lying about Flynn's involvement with Russia and it doesn't matter? You simply don't believe any of this to be true?
I am one of those uneducated... could you inform me of which country Islam has been exported to, and remained a peaceful minority? Not including recent nations such as America and much of Europe that are only in recent years seeing a large migration
Ken-We're not fighting a religion that at its core does not promote heedless violence. We are fighting biased religious leaders in middle eastern nations whose interpretation benefit themselves. Christianity is certainly not peaceful either, at all.
But Christians don't read a book that teaches hate and death like the Koran does
Ralph-it's a pity you haven't read the Quran, you seem to have the wrong book. The Bible actually has more violence than any religious book. A verse from the Quran states "anyone who kills one person is equal to him killing a whole nation."
Ralph, What book were Christians reading when they enslaved the African race for nearly 400 years on this continent, committed genocide against the Indigenous, and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
The Koran has 109 verses calling Muslims to commit murder or violence on non-believers - the bible has 4 examples of the same type. I'm personally not part of either religion nor am I a fan of their methodologies
Ralph I completely respect that. But regardless of the number of verses, that doesn't mean they need to be taken literally. Almost all religious texts speak in the form of metaphors and parables.
Sarah said "We are fighting biased religious leaders" Yes... that is the key, religious leaders... who also happen to be the leaders of Saudi and Iran... and who are funding these terrorists and the expansion of Islam throughout Europe and America.
It's being blown up by the left as they try to keep painting President Trump as some kind of hate-filled monster, instead of using common-sense
Of course it is. Every move that Trump makes puts more tarnish on King Obama's crown. By now at least a few liberals should be ready to admit Obama did a terrible job as our President. But I doubt they ever will.
Mike: they won't admit it because in their frame of reference Obummer did a wonderful job. He helped ensure that so many downtrodden people in America got their "rights"; he helped ensure peace by an agreement with Iran, provided more freebies, etc.
Most refugees, under the Obama administration, went through an extreme vetting process that took 3-6 months. Little or no vetting? Where do you get your information?
Crankalicious: Obummer was bringing in Syrian refugees with little vetting. How do we know this? Because those who testified in Congress told us that there was little they could do to vette most of those refugees.
FYI Obama after finishing the bill to remove troops in Iraq (Bush first vetoed) resuming troops 2014 to find and relinquish ISIL which nobody seems to talk about even though they're known for beheading troops and others on video, in US also
Isn't it interesting that this ban listed 7 countries that Trump has had no business dealings with, yet did not ban any countries where he had done business. I don't think the chosen list was due to radical Islam or USA satiety, but Trump's business
Obviously English isn't your first language
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