Much of history says that our previous US Presidents were never of the Christian belief.
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Franklin Graham convinced C's otherwise, "it's refreshing to have a leader willing to defend the C faith." FG wants Trump to repeal amendment saying he shouldnt endorse politicians cuz C's can't think 4 themselves.
Franklin Graham endorsed him, for one thing - making it okay for many Christians who were struggling with their conscious to vote for him. Plus, Trump has said all the right things in all the ways they like to hear. If he tells us he is a C, then he
FG not a Christian! GOD gives "choice" re:same sex/abortion (Josh24:15) & after "JUDGING" both candidates,Hilary more in line (Jm1:27) w/WORD! BOTH not Christians but lesser of two evils!
I'm pretty sure Franklin considers himself to be a Christian - and in fact, a Christian LEADER, which is why his big mouth made such an impact on people of that faith. It doesn't matter what GOD thinks - sheeple follow people.
Trump says he's a Presbyterian. However, he's an inveterate violator of the ten commandments and a variety of Christian tenets.
Norine, how on earth can words spoken tobthe tribes of Shechem be afpplicable, even out of context, to people 3000 years later, in difference circumstances/culture? Cherry-picking to suit your prejudice.
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Agreed and well said.
Really cool, two folks who can tell us who is Christian and who is not. Am I?
No Eric, you are not a Christian. Your commentary in this thread alone verifies that.
Not correct that someone who is a whopping 'sinner' means they R not a Christian. Many practicing & devoted Christians R some of the biggest sinners. Y? Law of Attraction: attention to resisting temptation attracts it & makes things a LOT har
"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou HATEST all WORKERS OF INIQUITY" (Ps5:5) yet "Christian?"
MisFit you're TWISTED!
Catherine, you are better at being an atheist. UR parroting a myth. A Christian may fall short, but they do not sleep with the devil.
I have NEVER met a man who speaks more TRUTH than "proclaimed" Christians!
GOD bless you Ronnie!
No one sleeps with the devil unless they believe it exists & want to. Peeps like U & Norine LIKE the drama created by evil, so you embrace & encourage it. Your Father will not judge you for learning life, cuz sin is just a tool he uses to
From whence evil springs is irrelevant here. A war monger may not believe in the devil, but the body count does not speak of goodness. A crooked path is not compatible with Christian teaching. Murder is not necessary to "learn life".
WB have you ever heard of "Thomas the Doubter", Peter the denier" and "Saul the Murderer". I would say very crooked paths indeed. Trumps could not possibly be a worse path than Sauls. To my understanding even the Centurion and Judas I were accepted.
Saul actually became a Christian , as his works reveal. He did not accept Jesus and then go out chasing whores , starting wars, and seeking great riches.
So that begs the question Ronnie, you seem to be out slaying folks. So I imagine you are at a stage like Saul. And of course you judge others. Of course you have to condemn them like Saul and not love them like Paul. Ronnie you make a perfect case fo
That's interesting Eric. In 250 words or less, can U please elucidate "slaying folks".
Oh sure guy. Attacking another on a moral principal that is akin to a leader. Cutting them down for the acts of their ancestors. Making blame on others of optimum importance. And of course winning on a hypothetical (Don Q.) scenario.
Your spin is a little rusty Eric. I have never in any of my posts held anyone accountable 4 the acts of their ancestors. I hold them accountable 4 glorifying evil ancestors.
This is one of the most thoughtful comments here. I don't know why it was "hidden due to negative feedback."
Can you imagine a US President like Thomas Jefferson today? Deists are almost as abhorred as Atheists. When science started threatening C's literal interpretations, that's when dogmas became alternative facts. :)
Of course, you are joking. George W Bush caused the death of thousands of U.S. soldiers and Iraqis based on a lie that he helped to promote, and most likely co-authored. Nothing Christian about that.
What about Jimmy Carter? I think his devotion was much more genuine than anything I've seen or heard from Trump.
Evidenced by how he lived his life, I'd argue President Carter has most closely demonstrated his faith in Jesus. And we chewed him up and spit him out.
"Born again?" When one has the HOLY SPIRIT dwelling in them they manifest "supernatural" actions! NO PRESIDENT has been "born again" or they COULDN'T "keep It to themselves" (Jer20:9)!
This is a great answer. Around the time of King James it would have been real hard to buy into a church.
Say 1600 to 1800 very different.
Do I have this right? Are you so perfect in all things that you have no "plank in your own eye" to get rid of first? A checklist to determine faith? The hypocrite one and the self righteous one, perhaps your answer?
"By their fruit shall ye know them." This has nothing to do with having a plank in one's eyes. Most people can do the basics. Trump doesn't even come close!
How would you know their fruit if you have a plank in your eye that prevents you from really seeing them? For instance your fruit of hating Trump may be the plank in your eye preventing clarity and unbiased appraisal.
Nice Eric. : ) His administration scares the hack out of me. I don't trust them. We should always check on politicians no matter their ideology. But this administration is particularly fishy and shows a very scary agenda.
Eric, U seek to use biblical teaching to justify evil. Recognizing a rose is a rose, or a spade a spade has nothing to do with being judgmental. It's simply a matter of observation. Evil defines itself.
Robie you are so right. I grew up understanding that it was a civic duty, more than a right but an obligation to watchdog our government. Should we trust and verify or verify then trust? But I think Christian or not is up to God. I do not need to ve
Then NOT a Christian!
Tamara, this is not accurate. The example I gave is the perfect case on point. Lincoln did not belong to a congregation much less a denomination. Teddy Roosevelt is cool to look into also. Episcopal or Reformed - not a member, just attendee.
Since I was a child learning history in school, I thought George Washington was a Christian. I seen a video about George Washington being a Mason, and they mentioned his high rank in Freemasonry.
If a man cometh and read that which is the teaching of Christ. The man is changed and cannot go back to hate. Does that make them a Christian? The One Eye God is now a real movement. It incorporates Christ.
Eric u r TWISTED! NO!
NOTHING makes one a Christian but OBEYING HIS COMMANDMENTS (I Jn2:3-5) & MOST won't take time to find out yet want something for nothing! You're like those "riding the govt system" for assistance!
"Christ Incorp?" ONE SPIRIT
Actually, Eric is very correct: 'one eye' is one of many valued mystical Christian symbols - btw, Freemasons are very much 'Christians' - or at least, they pretend it is 4 appearance sake. LOTS of OLD C-men (including politicians) were FM's.
Boy he went off track earlier but made indications of commitment today. Seems to me a Christian should give deep respect for Jews.
I agree. The Jewish religion and Christian religion are intertwined in many different ways. There are also scriptures about it in the Bible.
NO ONE can "class" (aka "judge") another! ONLY the WORD of GOD (Jn 7:24) which saints use to "correct" (IITim3:16) TWISTED belief!
And man it "cuts" (Heb4:12) when one is TWISTED! U can tell whose TWISTED on HP via their actions (DELETIONS)!
Clearly, I meant it depends on what you think a Christian is. How is that judging/classing someone? Is calling people on HP "TWISTED" not classing/judging someone then? Um, pot... kettle... and what a load of religious twaddle. It's no wonder so man
Norine is one of the biggest judgmental hypocrits on HP, LoL! And, she's always complaining about being deleted. I keep telling you, sweetie: your spiritual fruits are ROTTEN that's why peeps don't listen to U. Do something about it.
And very fortunately for the REST of us, our Miss Scripture ranter, finger-pointer, vicious, brain-washed fanatic, has been deleted for good!..as in permanently banned. Ahhhm Peace at last. Hallelujah!
LOL! Hi Jaye, Crazy question, comical answers. Must be Tiny Talent day at HP & everyone is trying to entertain! It's fairly obvious the Donald is his own God. This thread is a riot. :) Good to see you!
Not required by the constitution and of interest are not exclusive. A person's spiritual life hopefully is relevant to their decisions. Also it is interesting to note if he is like the vast majority of us identifying as Christian. Your decisions are
Shall we measure Trump up against the seven deadly sins and see how he does there?
Does the fact that Jesus was a refugee not ring any bells for you, Ann?
By Trump's standards, Jesus would have been a terrorist. Jesus was tortured, Trump wants to t
PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS should be embarrassed of such a TRUTHFUL statement from a non-Christian! lol A "TRUE WORSHIPER" has the Spirit of Christ inside which reflects "CORRECTION" as Jesus (Matt23)!
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Interesting. Christ would cut his heart out? Sounds like you are coming from a hate Trump and then rationalize position. I understand your angst. Sounds kind of like you might have an anti Trumps agenda your are furthering. Maybe not, just a thought.
I'm coming from an observe Trump and then compare with the teachings of Christianity perspective. Trump represents the opposite of Christian teachings. Being pro or anti Trump doesn't come into it.
When you depend on the support of otherwise indifferent groups, it's useful and convenient strategy to be "vocal about one's faith." To say nothing of real and deep motives.
"Vocal about one's faith"(Jer20:9)? U don't know JESUS!
"Motives?" IF of GOD, "motives" r HIS PROMISES (aka "benefits") which "leads & guides(Jn14:26) into ALL truth!" MOST thk Christians want "fire ins!" NO! We want "BEAUTY" in THIS LIFE(Is61)!
LOL....LMAO!!....ROFLMAO!!!! Oh GOD!! I'm so HAPPY the screaming, quoting, vocal robot is GONE!! DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD! Yo HO!!....Pop the friggan champagne! I'm buying!
Not only "to u" but to the WORD of GOD!
Looks like someone has an unhealthy obsession.
That's our Norine... Unfortunately, once she embeds herself into a question like this, she's difficult to shake & it just gets dropped cuz no one wants to interact with her shrill BS. She's ruined so many good questions & can't be reasoned wi
mactavers, I immediately thought of Jimmy Carter when I saw this question. John and John Quincy Adams were also devout Chirstians.
Hey John, I know my shady past pretty well because I ran for some public type deals where they vet you. Oh and try becoming a youth minister these days - those guys dug into everything. Perhaps, just maybe yours is.... making it strange to judge.
"Just because a person goes to McDonald's, it does not make them a beef burger."
I'll be honest with you.
I just spit diet pepsi out of my own nose.
Is that Christ the son of God or Christ the God or Christ of the Trinity? I think I get your point but not sure if you are talking Christ of the Unitatrian or Roman Catholic or non-denominational.
Eric, I talk of Christ, the son of god. Our Shepard and savour. The only one I know of that spread the word of god, along his disciples. Do you know another?
I suppose mine is a little different. More of a Trinity.
Agree that Trump lacks Christian virtues, but I think he calls himself a Presbyterian.
Not accurate. That eye god stuff is not whacko. Deistic Rationalists were the ilk of the foundational days. The hard set dogma of churches of the day turned men away. As today. Christ in the formation was background. Washington never "accepted" Chris
EVERY President. See the chart here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliatio...
Sorry but I do not start or end with Wicki. My God are there still people out there that cite it? Wow I am blown away. ignorance always astounds me. Lisa with a man picture. Please do not cheapen discussion.
Typical. When you can't cite a credible source that offers information to contribute to the discussion, simply insult the one that's been cited, and also insult the commenter.
I gather Lisa with a man's face that you consider speaking the truth a brutal attack. Someone cites wicki as the source and they throw mud in a thinker's face. Nothing about who. The comment must be shown for the failures it commits. Are you a victim
If you look close Eric, that is not a man's face. It is a woman with a short haircut. And you don't need to attack anyone because of the way they look.
Deflect and insult as you wish, Eric. I'm still right, you're still wrong, and no amount of name calling is going to cite a source that proves otherwise.
Now, be gone, before someone drops a house on you, too.
My apologies. There was no need for me to be unpleasant. It is inappropriate and is no way to treat you nice people.
Eric, you have really changed. It is the thing I hold against Trump the most: changing some of the coolest, most insightful & understanding people into ugly brats. C's or not, most GOP folks won't vote 4 pres unless they BELIEVE they R Christian.
And NONE are/were or the US wouldn't be in the predicament it is today! As Ronnie said, "Just because one wears the title, doesn't make him one" (IJn2:3-5)!
Take it easy. One not so nice comment does not mean I have changed into a bad person. But I do thank you for caring about me.
Eric you "confessed your sin one to another"(Jm5:16) which is more than other "proclaimed" Christians have done on HP by stating "My apologies. There was no need for me to be unpleasant. It is inappropriate..." Ur action is according to WORD.
Well, this was sort of a repeat thing for you & you've been overly-sensitive & judgmental for a while, now. That's what I was talking about. I do care, too damn much and WAY more than I want to, LoL!
actually many of the Founding Fathers did not label themselves as Christian. you should really do some research on the founding fathers and presidents and religion, its actually quite interesting.
U don't care what GOD (aka WORD) SAID? IIPet1:3"...ALL THINGS that pertain to life & godliness..." is in Scripture!
Problem: Who loves GOD enough to find out what HE SAID (IJn2:3-5)?
Christianity & Salvation are relative to each according to their own set of spiritual beliefs or lack of them. Believing that U R the only 1 who has interpreted a 'word of god' correctly is like insisting there is only 1 kind of apple.
Catherine, there is the rub. Saying that what someone says is like saying there is only one apple. Is just a sideways suggestion that they are as dumb as a post. Correct?
I don't think Norine or others like her are dumb - they have a debilitating fear of death. Reason, Logic & Science fly out the window when you are convinced they are sins against God. That is sad beyond the telling of it & I do feel for her.
Hi Amit, I agree. Trump allured votes from different status of people, by telling them what they want to hear. Now he's doing the exact opposite. That seems to be the same personality of the individuals on his reality show "Celebrity Apprentice."
Are you so blinded by hate? The most blinded liberal areas of CNN agree he is doing exactly what he said he would. Do not let ugly change your integrity anyone. We do not or we do like him, it does not change his 40 days of doing exactly as promised.
People still like Trump, but he's giving too much for the LGBTQ folks. When there's way more serious issues Americans need for BIG change. Make America great . . . by following God's commandments. Homosexuality is against the law of God.
I forget -- this is about Christ right? Where does Christ say homosexuality is wrong? Many think that Paul's "thorn" was about being gay. OT I get but NT I do not see it.
The question has Christ in it, the word "Christian." Duh!
So where does Christ say homosexuality is not Christian?
Hi Greg, Kennedy actually had compassion and he thought outside of the box as a President. Obama allowed an abomination as part of the law with same sex marriage, he obviously is not a real Christian. Kennedy wins over Obama in my mind.
Ann, I agree with 100%.
So, that ugly and non-sensiclal Christian claim that sexuality is anything but a private matter between two individuals raises its voice once again.
Such a "God," would have no interest in your fun, only your loving commitments.
What a concept that a man would judge another abominable based on her understanding of scripture. By these notions a masturbating 11 year old girl???
God gives "Choice" (Josh24:15) re: same sex, abortion, good, evil, etc. so who is man?
Cherry-picking obscure bits of prose from an out-dated book of stories applicable to an ancient civilisation. And you imagine it's something written at the behest of a god! Pathetic!
Isaiah said "here a little, there a little" (Is28:10) so who r u to call "cherry picking?"
"Book" leads to "connection" to HIM which u, Greg & others (HATES) don't have!
Christian view: God's chosen few (not God, himself) give a choice by pointing a gun at your head & insist U choose to believe dogma or go to hell &/or they will make your FREE spirited life miserable!! Jesus' original message is distorted.
I'm not a Christian, but when I was little I went to Sunday School. There they taught us that all you had to do to "be saved" was to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior.
A8, Yeah, Kennedy was a real Christian. Sure he was. That's why he was committing adultery with one woman after another. If U want to know what a real Christian is study the life of Jesus ,or John The Baptist.
Of course, Kennedy was a flagrant adulterer.
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