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   bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years ago

   Do you really think that illegal immigrants help the country with their cheap labor?
   
   Before you ans, consider.
   1. There are enough legal immigrants from the same countries of illegals They have been & will continue to do these jobs people claim only illegals will do here.
   2. Much farming in the last 50 years has become more mechanized &even with the doubling of the US population, there will be less of a need for illegal labor. & we buy most products from foreign imports, including produce from around the world.
   3. Free education, Free med, and welfare for illegals
   4. The US prisons are filled with convicted illegal alien criminals.
   5. Sanctuary cities for illegals cost $$$$$

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   lisavollrathposted 6 years ago

   1. Legal immigrants don't do migrant farm working, or work as day laborers for cash, because they can get jobs that have the potential for a future. Both the construction and farming industries rely on cheap, undocumented laborers.
   
   2. There are just some things that cannot be harvested by machines. Even crops that are have to be sorted for quality, which is something only humans can do. I don't know where you're buying your produce, but most of mine is domestic.
   
   3. Minimal cost. As soon as kids are old enough to go to work, they leave school, if they ever go at all. There's very little available in terms of free medical care, or welfare, because you need a social security number for both.
   
   4. The US prisons are filled with people of color, both legal and illegal, because they don't have the money or the resources to post bail, get a decent lawyer, and get a short court date. You can thank the for-profit prison system for that. They have fill rates written into their contracts, so the states that use their services are obligated to keep a certain number of people in jail.
   
   5. I live in one. No, it's not costing us. If it was, I assure you the folks in the Great State of Texas would be up in arms. But people in the Dallas/Fort Worth area are for being a sanctuary city. It brings in dollars, rather than costing us.
   
   I'm not for exploiting illegal immigrants for their labor, but there are some businesses that will be in big trouble without them. You live in California, where I grew up. Illegal immigrants are a huge portion of the lower paid work force there. They're maids, busboys, house cleaners, construction labor, farm workers---and a whole bunch of jobs that American citizens won't do for the pay that's being offered.
   
   I'm not sure what the solution to this is, but I'm pretty sure that before we deport an entire segment of the economy, we might want to come up with one, unless we want empty produce sections, dirty houses, hotels, and restaurants, and no new housing that anyone can afford.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You state these items but they are not facts, and they are not correct.
      illegals in prison cost a lot of money to keep them there. Gangs like MS have made crime common in many cities in the US. Check out Suffolk co. NY. they engage in criminal acts.

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      lisavollrathposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      They are only "not facts" because they don't agree with your narrative.

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      peoplepower73posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Brad:  Read Lisa's number 4.  That's a fact.  The prison system is for big profit.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      My, the pt is this is another cost of the cheap labor that is really expensive. Your last paragraph is just not true. With all the money spent on these illegals the bal is in the red. We have more than enuf people to do all kinds of low lev jobs

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years ago

   While illegal immigrants account for about 3.5% of U.S population, they represented 36.7% of fed sentences in FY 2014 following crim convictions, according to U.S. Sentencing Commission data obtained by Breitbart News.
   According to FY 2014 USSC data, of 74,911 sentencing cases, citizens accounted for 43,479 (58%), illegal immigrants accounted for 27,505 (36.7%), legal immigrants made up 3,017 (4%), and the remainder (about 1%) were cases in which the offender was either extradited or had an unknown status.
   Broken down by primary offenses, illegal immigrants represented 16.8% of drug trafficking cases, 20% of kidnapping/hostage taking, 74.1% of drug possession, 12.3% of money laundering, and 12.0 percent of murder convictions.
   USSC data only deals with fed offenders sentenced under the Sentencing Reform Act 1984 (SRA) and does not include other categories like state cases, death penalty cases, or “cases initiated but for which no convictions were obtained, offenders convicted for whom no sentences were yet issued, and offenders sentenced but for whom no sentencing documents were submitted to the Commission.”
   data does incl immigration violations, of which illegal immigrants represented by far the greatest num of cases: 91.6%, or (20,333 cases), of total 22,204 cases.
   Eliminating all immigration violations, illegal immigrants would account for 13.6% of all  offenders sentenced in FY14 following fed crim convictions — still greater than 3.5% of the population illegal immigrants make up.
   US Taxpayers paid approximately $1.87 bil to house imprisoned illegal immigrants in fiscal yr 2014, and almost all of that financial burden was shouldered by states, according to new study of state &fed data.
   
   Read more: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … oel-gehrke
   
   92% or $1.71 billion, of $1.87 bil spent on such incarcerations last yr came from states. other 8% just $161 million paid by fed-govt reimbursements admin thru State Crim Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP), for which funding has fallen sharply over the past decade. “declining funds have led to a situation where many counties choose to opt out of SCAAP reimbursement, it only pays a fraction of costs associated with incarcerating illegal aliens,” Jay Bates, a Tx Tech Univ School of Law grad & freelance researcher
   
   Read more: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … -criminals

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      Hxprofposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Illegals are costly in many ways, and in the cases that they actually do work that few Americans will do, there is a legal process by which foreign workers can be brought in to do that work; our government only need require it be done.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Hxprof, thanks for your succinct, to the point, and on topic answer.

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   Ken Burgessposted 6 years ago

   Illegals fill many jobs as undocumented workers, which more often than not is the only way to get good labor jobs in today's work environment (go by a Toll Brothers development and tell me those hundreds of workers aren't illegals).
   
   Illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability, public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state and federal agencies. This is largely due to what is known as the 'anchor baby' epidemic.
   
   Since children born in the United States are considered U.S. Citizens, they are in effect 'anchor babies' for entire families of illegal aliens, because of one child who was born a U.S. Citizen.
   
   If the U.S. government sent the parents of these children away, we would be separating families. Now that these families have given birth to a U.S. Citizen, the families are eligible for benefits such as WIC and food stamps, etc.
   
   So long as we remain a nation that gives greater opportunity and benefits to non-citizens than it offers to its own poor, illegals will continue to come in droves.
   
   Remove the 'anchor baby' benefits, crack down on businesses hiring undocumented workers, that alone will drastically reduce the flow of millions from coming. Until then, it will only continue, and only increase the fragmentation of our society and add to the rolls of the unemployed.
   
   To answer the question, no they do not do the country, or Americans good, they make money for the wealthy, they make the rich richer, at the expense of American citizens who pay taxes or who are out of a job and could use the work. 
   
   Here is a nice (and simple) break down:
   http://www.wannalol.com/p/763380

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