I just cannot settle on a right or wrong here. It seems that morally both sides can be argued. Medical conditions are perfectly OK to exclude some people from some vocations. I wonder if there is a real rational basis for this exclusion. Maybe there is some logic to combat exclusion until it is really no longer an issue like how we slowly implemented being gay in military is OK. But I would really like to hear from others, especially to see if it can be addressed without emotions.
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Sex and gender are different things and that's a very simple truth. Besides not acknowledging that important fact, you're really oversimplifying when it comes to sexuality, it's actually not "basic" at all.
I respect this position. I wonder if the exact opposite is not true. A person so committed to being right with themselves would be more stable? Maybe changing the external is as valid as changing the internal into a killing machine? Deep.
Would you trust a surgeon who identifies as a mass murderer? Or a General Practitioner who identifies as Darth Vader? How about a Taxi driver who identifies as a suicide bomber?
Seeing as none of those are even remotely relevant comparisons I'm just gonna assume you're happy to remain clueless on the subject
First of all, I have little sympathy for anyone who aspires to be a mass murderer. However, transgender exists mentally with or without physical transformation. They were also designed this way, and they are not confused. It appears you are confused.
WBA, man, NOT hu/woman, can shape change into either gender, reproduce then change back. What we are seeing is carnal man attempting to change their flesh because of not understand their sprit nature. Spiritually we can but not physically.
I know you want this to be black or white but..over 6 million American children were surgically assigned gender without their knowladge or consent to keep the two gender myth alive. In fact 60,000 American kids are surgically assigned gender year.
Have you ever read Isaiah 45:7 where god does [present tenses] everything done? There's no right nor wrong done ever, god is fulfilling what each body is manifested to perform. Why is god's name I AM THAT I AM & ISIS? All's in god & god in al
400 years of chattel slavery was wrong. The genocide of 100 million of my people by European squatters was wrong. It appears God also has a lot of explaining to do as well.
Karma has to be paid, Israel [whites] were enslaved in Egypt by blacks its justice was paid in the USA. God's doing via man to teach the wise https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Understan... has no substance.
Good information a more precise explanation. Thank you.
My peeps tell me that the operation involved is 50K to 100K$ but I still do not buy the cost factor. It is the whole concept of "out of action" on choice other than procreation that makes me wonder. I just don't want a new T next to me in a foxhole.
Thank you Demas this should have been boldly stated at first. I was just thinking about sitting in a foxhole with a New Yorker. It is a world apart from being a Southwester Country boy. And I really would not care what she started out as in life.
Is it better to fund people's desires than "Treasonous" acts like what got us into WW 1 & 2, Vietnam and the "Middle East" wars? Our taxes are for "defending" wars not war caused by U.S. "treason" and also for "the general Welfare" of We The Peop
Interesting insight. EO executive order was signed I believe in 1948. And yet long before that Native Americans were fully integrated. 1993 DADT was implemented. Not until 2011 was the ban lifted for LGBs. A slow history indeed.
Ronnie, I wish I had Read the USC which prohibit our being aggressors & UCMJ with a section between 90 & 93 saying "one can be court-martialed for obeying unlawful orders" before entering Vietnam, our serving violated the constitution and UCM
Elijah, that is good info. I should have read the entire UCMJ but I didn't. That's what the gov. counts on; that we will choose to remain ignorant, which allows them to operate with impunity. Eric, I have de-integrated myself. Circle the wagons!
Very good Ronnie. Most of my childhood pards have basically done the same although as with you still communicate with us off the res types.
Ronnie, in the 60s when I went in they discouraged our reading them both, they didn't let us know where to find a UCMJ, but they would always tell us about things in it to keep us in line but nothing to keep them in line.
In '74 we were all given a copy of the UCMJ in bootcamp at Great Lakes. But a 17 year old kid is more concerned with getting paid and getting laid. This is the key to military success: Get 'em young, dumb, and full of that "get happy feeling".
In '64-69 no such UCMJ giving, has it been I'ld have finished 20 in the USAF. A T Sgt. ordered me to unground a plane he signed off but I was discharged. I told the 1st Sgt. once ordered my Crew Chief authority was overridden made it honorable.
I agree cost is a non-issue. Like Alcoholism we do not choose. A 30 Vet has a different perspective than a 21 year old. And the notion of women and gays -- took like 50 years to implement. T's are maybe there in another 10-15. Raised accepting is key
Well stated Aime.
That same thing happened concerning Afro-Americans when Eisenhower integrated the military, All of those taught prejudices are unfounded when people's live are on the line. Their maintenance cost doesn't usually kick in for some years, I've found.
Elijah you must be thinking of the Truman EO 9981 in July '48. And for practicality perhaps as late as Nixon, or maybe JFK with draft implementation. So it for sure took us a century to move equal rights of color. Why so fast with T's?
Eric, when we saw the unfoundedness of ethnic discrimination, now see gender is and know homosexuality has always been in the military why delay other unfounded prejudices with "T's"?
Correctomundo! You get the big Kahuna Burger! They all want equal rights and they all want the right to kill other people with high tech weaponry. But I can't imagine a mother being more upset that her son was killed by a Trans instead of a Redneck.
Ronnie and Elijah and Aime you are all making very good points. But I am getting the feeling that writers here live in a little bit of enlightenment. Like our older worldly Vet. I would hate to act ivory tower like on our average servicemen.
Eric, enlightenment means "being beyond using judgmental additives, seeking the 360 degrees of all subject matters, deciding based on the laws in force". Few posts here recognize the US' Supreme Law, they are mostly the individual's preferences.
Well that is something we totally disagree on. My first element of enlightenment would be not to define it. Next would be to not make it a box with requirements. And next would be not to judge others regarding it.
Everything has to first be defined to determining what it is. That is why the USA is biblically call "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT...", here man use words they can't defend which means they are babbling. Enlightenment is the judge, not who express it.
Ryan I was just considering a comparison to choosing to get pregnant while serving. Certainly for months and months after the sex realignment procedures/surgery and hormone treatments they cannot be active in service.
I and the Constitution fully agree, Ryan, so why would Trump do it unless attempting to hide something of more importance, as the government always does?
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