DACA never take the initiative to apply for US citizenship? They had plenty of time and now they are crying. I would just like to know why they didn't move in that direction.
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My wife and I thoroughly enjoyed her immigration process. I know that is weird but we just looked at it as a great big privilege and honor. OTOH she only married me to get citizenship 15 years ago ;-)
Eric, if you marry a US citizen you don't have to wait five years. You only have to wait three years with your green card. You can even start the process overseas. It's still more than what DACA people had to do to stay here.
Absolutely true. But why would the extra two years cause any hardship? Actually nothing really changed for us. She was already working and paying taxes. And I think there are provisions for travelling during the wait. Sorry to hear it was hard on you
So, there is a proper and legal way to do it. So, why didn't these people go through the proper channels? That way they wouldn't be in the predicament they are now.
Here is the strange part that so many do not get. If they were in DACA then they were basically qualified to become citizens. I have not heard of one case where a DACA person was denied.And now they are not targeted for expulsion. Apply you idiots.
The problem is, if they become citizens they stand the chance of losing any benefits they are probably getting.
Of course you are right Greg. Last night some protested for about 3 hours here. If they were DACA, the normal time via the paperwork reduction act says 2 hours for initial paperwork.The same orgs could have spent the night helping them.
If the DACA people spent as much time filling out the paperwork and going through the process as they do protesting, they'd almost all be citizens by now. It's not fun, but it's not that bad either. Just requires a commitment to get it done.
Very well stated and I do get that it is a nightmare bureaucracy but it also is when they audit me. Life sucks here far less than elsewhere. Let me put my email out there email@example.com If you want some help let me know and I will.
Thanks 4 saying how difficult it is to get citizenship, Mike. Like I've said... & again The REASON WHY this situation exists is bcuz politicans on BOTH SIDES R aware of how much money we make off migrant workers. Its Y they R treated special.
Hey Chickie (I hope that causes no harm as you chose your handle)
You make the perfect case as to why. Now if one walked into your living room would you tell them to protest or immigrate?
MC, it's not difficult, it requires a commitment. DACA people hold jobs, go to school etc. they handle the bureaucracy of becoming a citizen. If they spent as much time on the process of being a citizen as they do protesting, they'd be be citizens
Right... that many thousands of people with improper paperwork could just walk into immigration and get this done IF they were committed. I guess the political dorks who insisted on created the failed Dream Act did so JUST to waste more money.
That's all politicians do is waste money. That said, these people have had more than 5 years to become citizens. Just plain didn't care to exercise that right.
MC, you need to learn more about DACA. They've already filled out forms and paid a fee to be on the DACA program. It shouldn't be a big deal since thousands of people apply to be US citizens every day. It's all politics.
Mike I did some more reading on the matter. They are treated like any body else who applies. The Gov. does not hold against them their undocumented status. So your story is very applicable to these folks. Again why not apply, Greg sounds right.
Then answer us this: WHY was 'The Dream Act' created in the first place; and WHY did Obama create a temporary fix surrounding it since it didn't pass? WHY?!!
MC, I don't know but I suspect politics. Here is the worksheet given to people who want to be citizens. If you've been here for awhile, it shouldn't be a problem. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Re...
Absolutely the right question to ask Chick. Why indeed. Morons in the swamp, they know damned well we need some kind of program here. A small child has no say what geographic.But should we give priority and exemptions? Come on Congress and step up.
It sure seems that Trump is getting this idea and floating ways to get them off of their butts. So weird how the congress acted like this under Obama and seem to be addicted to obstructionism. Maybe the polls are a root cause.
DACA is constitutional. Deferred Action has been done for 40 years by Reagan, Bush, Clinton, & Obama for a variety of reasons like sex trafficking, surviving members of armed forces, etc The executive branch has discretion on admin and enforcemen
So Obama's statements and the Supreme Court are just a piece of garbage? No buddy it is not constitutional as ruled by the courts and stated by Obama. What world are you living in?
I live on the planet Earth. If the Sup Ct decided DACA was illegal then Trump would not have to even threaten to end it as it would be done, as such the Ct obviously has not ruled on it. Also, can we stay classy instead of acting so arrogant
Obama only had a majority in Congress 2009-11, and DACA etc was 2012. Obama got tired of dealing with Republican obstruction and wanted to protect innocent kids from deportation, so he kicked the can down the road. Time to make it official.
Judgmental, much? Again, it isn't as simple as heading to the nearest immigration office. The reason why politicians keep trying to push the Dream Act thru is bcuz it is PROFITABLE for the US to maintain a good-sized, cheap migrant work force.
It isn't supposed to be easy.
So glad you finally realize that.
Still no reason that the ones that were eligible couldn't apply.
Actually, the question I am asking is, why these individuals didn't take the initiative to become a citizen. That was their responsibility. This is the blame of the left or right. I can't see that they didn't have the choice.
You talk like they could just walk into any immigration office and ask to become a citizen - with undocumented parents. It sounds to me like that is what the original 'Dream Act' was about - providing a way for them to become citizens.
What was to stop them?? That's what I want to know.
The republicans stopped it. Chief among them the now attorney general jeff sessions. Ny times reports that sessions and that miller nazi kid pushed trump to rescind it. Kirsten Gillibrand just yesterday said we need to pass the dream act. R's move.
I'm not sure why this is a puzzle for U, Greg: undocumented parents. That's what stops them. The US has a vetting process; and family history is part of it. Believe it! Would it be okay with you if we let undocumented Muslims become citizens?
I don't get this. Anyone who is a participant in DACA can apply for US citizenship. A very simple fact. And they still have time. So not only then but now; why wouldn't they apply. No, family history is not a factor.
They should be taking care of all of this instead of protesting and crying about how bad they feel they feel they are being treated. I guess the benefits they receive under DACA is better than being a US citizen. The handouts are better.
Talked with my old buddy from way back. He does immigration law and as we laughed about DACA he said all attorneys have easy payment plans and credit card acceptance. The application can also be credit card to pay back over time. Greg you make sense
I am not going to do everything for you - Do your freakin RESEARCH - it is NOT so easy to get citizenship. If it were, both the dreamer act & daca would never have been needed. DUH!
As the old saying goes, "nothing worth while is not always easy". They were just too lazy to apply. If the parents didn't want to go through the process in the first place, they shouldn't have brought their kids here.
Greg asked, "What's stopping them?" They have to be 18 to apply, and most kids of undocumented aliens in question aren't old enough to apply. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Re...
There are a lot of them in college and why don't they do something instead of wasting their time protesting? They want things handed to them. It would take little extra effort to go through the process. We should just make citizens automatically. BS
Miz, both your assumptions are wrong. A guardian can apply and most are over 20. And your link does not work. How could they be in DACA for 3 years - normal 4 and not be adults by any stretch. It is for adults who entered as children, Please get info
Bcuz I answered DOESN'T mean I am opposed to Trump forcing Congress to create a permanent solution. It should have been done long ago. I applaud his insistance for bipartisanship, tho as usual, he insults instead of unites as he goes, dammit.
Chickie, do you really judge a man by how he speaks. Uncle Tom's cabin and Huck Finn and all that. You are saying that if he does not speak in your accepted norm he is ignorant? Crazy, I have a doctorate but cannot stand the Harvard elite. Really?
Eric, I thought we were talking about kids of both parents who are aliens and not able to help the kid's status. Sorry the link didn't work, but it says if ONE parent is a citizen then the parent can apply for them, not two alien parents.
Eric, you can take your 'chickie' crap and stick it. Your response makes absolutely no sense; and actually reads similar to Norene - who the hell knows what she was ever talking about? Are you getting Alzheimers?
Greg. DACA doesn't actually provide a path to citizenship. For illegal entry only employers/close family can sponsor. DACA doesn't grant access to Federal Welfare or Student Aid. If someone has a legal path they should def take it. But not all do.
Daniel it is not so cut and dried. there are options. One case I read was a 35 year old. Ownership in business, battered spouse, hardship, death if deported. https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/affidavit-support So in general all exceptions apply.
The more you look into this the more you wonder about why Obama did not provide a legal status for DACA members. From what I can tell he already went outside the law - so why not do it right.
Obama chose to selectively enforce immigration law to protect DAVA members. Actually granting them legal status would have been taking it to a whole other level. That lies with the do-nothing Congress.
It will be interesting if they do get a Dreamers bill passed. I can of am in favor of a waiver on the general exclusions but then they still have to apply and qualify and pass.
I agree with you Eric.
Here is one exception to every thing stated above:
Here is one way to get it done. Use your right to exit and then re-enter (advanced parole) and have a sponsoring relative.
Eric, per the question you CANNOT apply for citizenship under DACA, which was the issue - the issue is citizenship, not residency. Even if they leave, you apply for RESIDENCY with a sponsor, not citizenship. Then you get a green card, andthen citizen
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