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End Welfare? - What If There Was No Welfare?

Updated on August 23, 2017
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End Welfare? What Would Happen to Humanity if There was no Welfare?

Welfare, as an institution of government, may be on the way out. What will happen to welfare recipients if there is no welfare? What can they expect? Can welfare be done away with - without causing mass starvation?

Why do we have welfare? Is it necessary?

I've stated some of my thoughts on the welfare state on this page and I'm asking you to think over the issues and contribute to the conversation at the end of the page.

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Dr. Thomas Sowell vs. Pennsylvania Secretary of Welfare, Helen O'Banion

What If There Was No Welfare?

...would all the poor people die?

If there was no welfare, working people wouldn't have to support non-working people, but would taxes go down or would the government find some other reason to keep our money?

Of course not all poor people would die, but would some of them? Do we have to view this process of release from the welfare state as one of coping with "acceptable loss?" I would have a hard time with that. Even one child dying because of poverty seems like too much to me.

I've been on the fence with welfare issues for many years. I can see that the welfare state has robbed people of motivation, encouraged dependency, and created an era of protracted poverty mentality. But how can we withdraw a helping hand when so many are destitute already?

Do you think it couldn't happen? Already California's governor tried to abolish welfare for the poor, and if it could happen there, it could happen anywhere. Our country is in very bad shape, financially. How can we continue sending support checks to so many?

Will Welfare End?

Will welfare end in your country within the next twenty years?

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A Guide for New Teenage Parents - Stay Together, If You Can

Your Baby's First Year: A Guide for Teenage Parents (Teen Pregnancy and Parenting series)
Your Baby's First Year: A Guide for Teenage Parents (Teen Pregnancy and Parenting series)

The best thing you can do for your child is to stay with the other parent, given that the person isn't abusive.

Two parents together can give a child the best chance of a happy life.

Also, someone should have a job... to at least try to support the family.

 

Would Children Starve?

...or would community organizations pitch in to help them?

I've met many generous people, especially since I started writing online. The internet has definitely helped me to become more charitable. But is charity enough to supply the needs of the poor and destitute?

Today while doing the research for this page, on YouTube I came across a video about Glide Memorial Church in San Francisco, a church that attempts to help the ailing and suffering masses in the poorest districts of that city. Though charity was massive and constant, they still didn't think they'd be able to do enough to fulfill all the needs of the people who would be left suffering if welfare ended.

I believe many people will help more, so much as they can, but that not all people will find the kind of help they need when they need it. Single mothers may be one of the most difficult groups to help because they can't work if they can't maintain a home and child care.

If welfare ends, there will probably be a lot more people dining in soup kitchens. A society encouraging charity would be an amazingly different place than this civilization which is dependent on welfare.

Starvation of Children

Would children in your community starve if there was no welfare (and no food stamps)?

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Tent Cities for Children and the Disabled

Tent cities in every park, is that what you want? Is that a good way to raise kids?
Tent cities in every park, is that what you want? Is that a good way to raise kids? | Source

Would Families Be Destitute and Line the Street With Tents?

...would they ever get on their feet and find housing and jobs?

If all the money the government spends on hand-outs was instead spent on putting poor Americans to work, these people might have hope. To pull the rug out from under them without helping them find stable situations would be cruel. That begs the question - how cruel can we be? It seems some politicians have no problem with forcing people into the streets and out of their homes.

If you're living on the poverty level and on any kind of welfare program, you had better invest in a good tent and other camping equipment, just in case. Start now to create your own backup plan so if everything crashes down around you -- you can walk out of your comfort zone without being in a panic.

Tent Cities

Would poor families with no welfare have to live in tents?

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Protest Song: James McMurty Points Out What's Wrong With the Economic Situation and How it Affects the Poorest of the Poor.

Wisconsin Sisters in Poverty

American Dream: Three Women, Ten Kids, and a Nation's Drive to End Welfare
American Dream: Three Women, Ten Kids, and a Nation's Drive to End Welfare

This comprehensive look at welfare recipients in Milwaukee, Wisconsin profiles three sisters, examining six generations of their family and a long history of poverty.

This book takes the issue of "black welfare mothers" into a personal and sympathetic relationship for both sides of the welfare debate.

Though we live in a country with an "American Dream" that teaches us that everyone has a chance for financial prosperity, there are many good reasons why some people are unable to escape from generations of poverty and despair.

 

Would Young Women be More Careful Not to Get Pregnant?

...would the birth rate go down? ...would the abortion rate go up?

Most of us would like for young women to think before they agree to be in a situation where pregnancy could happen. Our country isn't focused on trying to make young people resist having sex, however. In fact, sex education as taught in the schools may encourage early experimentation.

When my daughter was 12 and in eight grade I was notified by the school that if she wanted birth control, school officials would take her to the clinic behind my back and I would not be notified. (Crazy, in my opinion, but true! This happened in California!) So perhaps that's our civilization's answer... teach them about sex, take them to the clinic for birth control, and send them out on the streets.

Would these well-educated young ladies be more careful not to get pregnant? Perhaps they'd be more careful to get birth control, at the very least... but isn't free birth control a form of welfare? Who pays for that?

And oh, one more thing. The school notified me that if my daughter needed an abortion she could get that through them without notifying me. So, that's another option, presumably somehow paid for by the government.

It is hard to get away from government funded welfare programs these days.

Free government schools are a kind of welfare program too, you know. But most people don't want to think of it that way.

Young Mothers

Would young women be more careful about getting pregnant?

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Memoir of a Fatherless Child

Lost in the Fog: Memoir of a Bastard: A Belgian Recalls the War, the Nazis, Her Fractured Life
Lost in the Fog: Memoir of a Bastard: A Belgian Recalls the War, the Nazis, Her Fractured Life

This reminds me of a memoir I recently read. It is about a girl child who was raised by her single mother, who had to live with the grandparents.

It took place before and during World War II in Belgium. A fascinating story!

 

Would Young Fathers-to-Be be More Likely to Stay With the Women They Impregnated?

...would they take responsibility and be fatherly at a young age?

Here's a very heart-warming notion. Would young fathers be more likely to stay with their girlfriends who were pregnant because they would no longer be able to think, "she can get welfare," or "she can get an abortion paid for by medicare," or "they can get food stamps?"

Would they realize they created a life (I don't want to say 'made a mistake') and try to do something manly like get a job and support mother and child?

Or would they freak out and become hobos while their children starved? What do you think would happen most often?

Young Fathers

Would they be more likely to take responsibility for their offspring?

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Would Young Single Mothers be Supported by Their Families Instead?

...if they couldn't get welfare, would their families help out?

Isn't that how it used to work, before welfare? If a young woman was in the family way, she was in B-I-G trouble, especially if there was no man to step up and claim responsibility. These women typically had to incur the wrath of their parents and remain living with them. It was a terrible, scary situation for many of them.

Nowadays, if they're pregnant they can get welfare and move out on their own. Their parents may still be furious, but they don't have to live with the old folks.

It seems the 'new morality' is that you don't have to worry about being unmarried and pregnant. In 2009 almost half of all births in the United States were to unmarried mothers. This just doesn't have the same social stigma it used to.

See statistics in the NY Times: Out-of-Wedlock Birthrates Are Soaring, U.S. Reports.

Family Support

Would families help young single mothers with their children?

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How Welfare Reform Affects Real People

Flat Broke with Children: Women in the Age of Welfare Reform
Flat Broke with Children: Women in the Age of Welfare Reform

The researcher who wrote this book interviewed dozens of people affected by welfare reform cutbacks, in a medium sized southeastern town, and in a western city. Her insights from talking to real people enabled her to write a book that not only examines the reasons behind welfare reform, but also explains how families are impacted both positively and negatively.

 

Would More Children be Taken Care of by Their Grandmas While Their Parents Worked?

...somebody will have to take care of them!

I think there's no doubt that more children would be left with their grandmas (or grandpas) because the end of welfare also means the end of government subsidized child care such as Head Start programs and maybe even all public schools, since the government school system is another form of welfare. (Of course - government likes that because it gives them a chance to inculcate their values into the children at an early age.)

But what about families where the single mom is working at the local pizza parlor for minimum wage plus tips, and she has no family to leave her children with. This could be a disaster! I believe most families would be able to manage just fine, but it is those isolated cases of destitution and hardship that would keep me up at night. Would private charitable organizations be able to pick up the slack?

And what about grandmas that work; maybe they wouldn't want to quit their jobs to be babysitters for their grandchildren. Lots of grandmas are too independent for that.

Grandmas to the Rescue

Should grandmothers be expected to provide child care for grandchildren?

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Does Welfare Ruin Ambition? Does Desperation Promote Income Generation?

Would People be More Likely to Seek Creative Income Opportunities?

Acres of Diamonds: All Good Things  Are Possible, Right Where You Are, and Now!
Acres of Diamonds: All Good Things Are Possible, Right Where You Are, and Now!

There's no time like the present to brainstorm income producing activities.

For every door that closes, another opens. Don't be afraid of the future, because usually the door that opens leads to something far better than what was left behind.

Not every person can hold down a full time job, but everyone can think of something to do that would be creative, feasible, and profitable.

Have you read Acres of Diamonds - a speech by Russell Conwell? If not, this is the perfect time.

 

Would the Economy be Stimulated Because More People Would Work?

...economic recovery by ending welfare?

I am no economics expert, so I can't answer this question. I'm putting it out here for others to consider.

I believe it helps for people to have lower expectations of what life should be giving them. Joy in living a simple life is what has saved me... there's still plenty of happiness to be had even if you can't buy everything you want.

The Economy

Would the economy be stimulated if all welfare programs were closed down?

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War or Welfare?

President Dwight D. Eisenhower pointed out that war is a lot more expensive than charity for the poor.
President Dwight D. Eisenhower pointed out that war is a lot more expensive than charity for the poor. | Source

Wefare or War?

Would you rather support welfare or war with your tax dollars?

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Would People be More Likely to Grow Gardens if Welfare Ended?

...I sure hope so! So why don't they all do it now? Is supermarket food all that much better? I don't think so!

My grandmother had a little sign in her flower garden... it said, "One is nearer God's heart in a garden, than anywhere else on earth."

For those of you living in apartments: Urban Farming: Window Farms.

There's nothing quite as sweet as self-sufficiency. "God bless the child who's got his own."

Gardening as a Solution to Poverty

Would welfare recipients start gardens if they had no free money or foodstamps?

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What do you think would happen if there were no welfare at all? - ...meaning no food stamps, no cash aid, no medical aid, no unemployment insurance, no SSI, no

So, what's your opinion on all this?

© 2010 Linda Jo Martin

Any other comments? - ...your comments are very welcome.

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    Matt F. 3 years ago

    I would also like to point out that with our current tax code, the largest recipients of "welfare" are the BIG companies that slither their way out of paying taxes on their profits.

    When was the last time the NFL paid taxes? Oh yeah, they do not have to as they are a "non-profit" organization, but their pockets are FULL enough to pay outrageous salaries to a few people. How about some of the larger corporations that hire experts to figure out how they can NOT pay taxes, but yet, they want to fully participate in taking our EARNED dollars, which we pay the taxes on...maybe if EVERYONE was made to pay the share that they should, welfare may not be as needed as it is today in a world of outsourcing and streamlining for bigger profits. Maybe if Wall Street paid what I consider they should, things would get closer to normalizing, but that won't happen as someone like myself is nothing more than a burden on them, but it is ME who puts money into their pockets, while I sit back and wonder what money came from Wall Street back into regular worker's pockets that did not involve the bottom line growing for the large corporation. 17,000 on the DOW Jones is unacceptable when I see a ton of people scrape for a petty $1000 a month in ANY form...

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    Linda Jo Martin 3 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

    @Pawpawwrites - it would be hard in the USA for people to make welfare a career choice at this point... at least, as far as TANF payments go. Of course, there are many more that rely on foodstamps. That's another story. On TANF the parents must attend a work program and their aid ends if they don't. Well, their aid ends after a set number of months anyhow, though they can continue on collecting for children - just not children born after the case starts. I think it all encourages parents to at least try to become employed.

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    Linda Jo Martin 3 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

    @Fiorenza, in the USA every state has different welfare laws, so it is hard to tell what the exact impact of welfare reform has been. In general, parents are not allowed to receive aid after the first year or two, but the children are still supported. Parents must attend a work training program. Also, children born while a family is on aid will not cause the grant to be increased. It used to be that a family could have more children and each time get a bit more money. That's no longer the case in the states I'm aware of.

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    Linda Jo Martin 3 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

    @jmsp206 - I would like to see a living wage available to single parents before the safety net is removed. Child care is a huge issue that must be addressed. After welfare reform started in California I saw children as young as 18 months wandering the streets near my home because the people hired to take care of them were lazy and inadequate. Scary... I also saved one little girl from being picked up by a pedophile while her mother was busy working.

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    Jim 3 years ago from Kansas

    I think there is a place for welfare, but it shouldn't be a career choice. I feel we might be headed in that direction again though.

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    Fiorenza 3 years ago from UK

    This is a very complex subject. I'm sure no-one would want to see the return of Victorian workhouses where families were broken up and put to pointless exhausting work such as picking oakum, but in some cases, the pendulum has swung too far. However there are still a lot of people in genuine need, who have lost their jobs in the recession etc, which is why we now have the Trussell Trust in the UK who run food banks that give 3 days' worth of emergency food to families who are given vouchers by the authorities, and of course, the Salvation Army, both bodies that help people who really need it.

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    Julia M S Pearce 3 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

    Great subject and about time things like this are brought out in the open and talked about. Ideally there should be no welfare.The gap is getting bigger.

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    Paula Atwell 3 years ago from Cleveland, OH

    @Linda Yes, I don't understand why war is better.

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    Barbara Radisavljevic 3 years ago from Templeton, CA

    It's a complex issue with no easy answers. It used to be that families and churches took care of those who simply couldn't work or whose husbands were drunkards. Those in their neighborhoods and churches knew who really needed help and what kind of help they needed. If the husband turned the family's money into drink for himself and neglected his family, kind neighbors or people from the church would see that the wife good actual food - not money the husband could drink away. They also shared clothing their own children had outgrown.

    Part of the problem is government's intrusion into every area of life. Businesses are over-regulated and have to stop hiring because they can't afford all the extra requirements. Employers are no longer able to decide who will best do the work because of laws that tell them whom they have to hire first. All the extra laws mean more insurance is required to protect businesses from lawsuits the new laws encourage.

    I believe all welfare should be administrated locally where people are seen as individuals and it's easy to check on abuse. I think welfare should exist for the truly needy and disabled, but I think government should get out of the welfare business and cut the taxes that were paying for it so that citizens would have more to give to private charities who normally administer the donations more efficiently. People can check on which charities are spending the money they get on the people who need it and which ones are lining the pocket of administrators.

    One probably is that we are no longer a nation of laws, and the immigration laws are being totally ignored, forcing US hard-working tax payers to pay the bills of illegal immigrants for medical care and food they may not be able to afford for their own children. Those same illegal immigrants are committing crimes that affect our citizens and taking jobs that Americans would do. They also overload the education system, and that hurts the education of the citizens who pay for the schools.

    I will agree that some people need the help of others to get over the humps in their lives. I just think government is the most inefficient way to give it to them. Somehow the dollars are better used by organizations like the Salvation Army.

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    Linda Jo Martin 3 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

    Thanks for the comment, Paula, and for sharing this page. I am looking forward to seeing the results on all these polls. I've always wondered about war vs. welfare costs. Those who are strongly anti-welfare, would they rather support a war?

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    Paula Atwell 3 years ago from Cleveland, OH

    Wow, incredible and though provoking. The welfare/war discussion and poll is very enlightening.

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    aphexpusher 3 years ago

    What about people with physical and mental disabilities? What will they do? Do the anti-welfare people feel ok about declaring them as simply broken and tossing them into homelessness or suicide? If you are born with disabilities what should your parents do in that situation? They will probably die at some point before the disabled offspring dies. Maybe if you are born disabled they should just kill the baby immediately knowing there is no way the offspring will be able to support him or herself after they are gone.... That would probably be more humane in a no-welfare state.

    Like a broken gadget or toy. toss it. Objectify people into things. yeah. lets do that. Toss em into the wilderness or maybe lets gather them up and just shoot them firing squad style.

    Damn old people and the physically or mentally disabled. They can't get jobs. We better let them die. Then and only then can the healthy people afford better food and better things. Objects and tasty food is definitely worth the suffering of these broken human beings.

    Stay classy people. Enjoy your jobs. You work sooooooo hard. When you get that nice flat screen finally you can watch all those inferior human beings die on the news! :D yay!!! dead people! Sounds fun!

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    Robert Connor 3 years ago from Michigan

    I am perfectly fine with giving someone an hand up who needs help! As with any government agency there are waste of resources & abuse of the system, which makes the help less effective to those who really need assistance..

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    welfareisforscum 3 years ago

    @mia-gioia-100: But you have a low life scumbag away from the good people. It is still a win win for me. Dads that don't support there children should be killed. A 13 year old that gets welfare should be put in prison. I will gladly pay for that. Losers.

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    dimedime000 3 years ago

    The US welfare state is nothing compared to Britain that TOTALLY supports people that don't want to work...free home completely rent paid for also paid cash through a debit card every week they don't have to do a thing and the more kids the more money! Watch Benefits Britain life On The Dole, at watchseries-online.ch

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    Alison Williams 3 years ago

    I am surprised by the subject of this lens - surely they just can't take something away that was intended to help people? They went past the point of no return by intorducing welfare really. It would be inhumane and immoral to withdraw it. Surely it would mean that we would go straight back to Victorian times with poor houses and children on the street with no shoes!

    I agree that people take advantage of it and have a better life than me, who has always worked. That isn't fair. But there are more people out there who genuinely need it. To the people who think it should be stopped - it is easy to say abolish it when you are financially well off and working. But imagine if you lost that job. Imagine the anxiety and worry you would have at the idea of being homeless and begging for food because there was no support to keep you going for a bit. And the reason it was scrapped is because YOU wanted it to be!

    I also think it is clear to see from most comments who are the compassionate individuals and who are not.

    I don't care about paying into the system to support people. It is only a very small proportion of my wage anyway and I can still live off the rest. There are people out there who need it more than me so I see the benefits system as a form of charity. Should we abolish charitable organisations as well then?

    Also, paying into the benefits system is kind of like investing in your own future, should you ever fall on hard times and need to claim. Or paying back if you have already claimed in the past. I don't see why people make such a fuss about it unless people are better off on benefits than if they worked. That's not fair on us.

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    charles-r-chandler 3 years ago

    End welfare. End it now, and end it in every form. Private voluntary charity will aid those in genuine need. But enforced charity of the welfare state must end. We have no obligation or responsibility to provide welfare, especilly when it involves redistribution of income by force. I for one have no obligation or responsibility to anyone that I do not voluntarily assume.

    To those who say "But there would be riots," I say, fine. Let them riot. Dealing with that is, by definition, what riots guns are for. I figure by the time the first thousand or so in every rioting location hit the pavement bleeding out the riot would subside -- very quickly.

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    gary-hill-104855 3 years ago

    @anonymous: i see canada going down families homeless while we support and pay for refugees and caretake other countries canadians on welfare and ei and working part time to try to survive lus the bankruptcy rate lost homes jobs and self asteem due to govt decisions i wonder when the working class of canada will wake up and say no to voting in lawyers and doctors etc into govt who defend their style of life while we struggle in poverty we work 45 or more years to retire on meager wages they stay in politics five years and retire we support the taxes for foreigners for five years they get grants buy businesses can't get one as a canadian citizen ive tried sell off our water and any other resources to other countries oil to states we buy back at higher price 500000 acres of our northern oil fields to china when does it stop never unless the working class wakes up and puts one of our own class in the lead why does a lawyer give up a 200000 practice for prime minister thast supposedly pays 100000 because in 5 years he gets a pension and still works am i wrong

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    Linda Jo Martin 3 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

    @Kylyssa: Hi Kylyssa - I never refuse to post comments like these. Your information and participation in this discussion are very much appreciated. When I wrote this page (several years back) I was not a Christian and never had been one. I converted only last July, and as for this issue, I have no idea what my pastor would teach about it; the topic has never come up.

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    Kylyssa Shay 3 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

    @ourmarket: Actually, the fancy cell phones many poor and homeless people have were donated by people who upgrade to nicer ones. Most of my friends donate their old phones to charities when they get the next year's free upgrade. Unless people can convince charitable people to only use cheap cell phones, the phones they donate are going to be nice. It's not financially viable to sell the donated cell phones to buy cheap cell phones that conservatives wouldn't be upset about poor people owning. It costs more to sell a fancy cell phone someone has donated and buy a cheap-looking one than to just activate a donated cell phone and pay for minutes to it. Some charities have considered selling the donated phones to get cheap enough looking phones because some recipients experience harassment or even violence from people upset by their cell phone ownership. Unfortunately, it's just too cost prohibitive and requires the extra work and use of volunteer time to sell the phones and purchase different ones. It's also kind of silly. The thing to do is to educate people to the fact that people have no choice about what cell phone a person donates to such charities.

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    Kylyssa Shay 3 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

    I assume this comment won't get posted as it points out inaccuracies biased by political and religious beliefs. Sex education does not lead to earlier sex or to more teen pregnancies or STDs. In countries with more comprehensive sex education programs begun earlier, young adults tend to become sexually active later rather than earlier and experience fewer rather than more unwanted pregnancies. Look up information about Japan (the rate of teen pregnancies in Japan is ten percent of what it is in America, that means percentages, not overall numbers) if you have any desire to learn about very effective sexual health approaches. Science-based sex education even as taught later and less effectively in American schools still includes the information that the very best, safest thing to do is to wait to have sex. Unfortunately, many people who hate the idea of teens knowing the science-based material don't read it before making statements about it. If you wish to learn how ineffective abstinence-only education is plus learn how it increases the incidence of STDs and increases participation in practices disapproved of by your church, I recommend starting at http://www.siecus.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.Vi... and reading the associated studies. You can find the part about those unsafe practices your church would not approve of that virginity pledgers tend to practice at higher rates and earlier than teens with either no sexual health education or science-based sex education, scroll down about a third of the way down that page. Programs that teach critical thinking skills along with scientifically correct information are known to significantly reduce both teen pregnancy and STDs. Given solid, accurate information, teens make better decisions about life, including voluntary, evidence-based abstinence rather than shame-based or religion-based abstinence.

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    Kylyssa Shay 3 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

    @mia-gioia-100: Japan also has a very comprehensive sex education system that starts earlier than in the US resulting in Japanese young adults starting to have sex later (yes, later) than American teens. And when they do have sex, they have far fewer unwanted pregnancies and STDs.

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    ourmarket 3 years ago

    I see some pretty cruel answers here and feel very sad for those people with no compassion. First let me make clear that I am not on welfare before someone makes that statement. My husband and I are both retired and I work a part time job. He is a veteran and has medical thru the Veterans hospital. Myself on the other hand pay for Medicare and a supplement insurance that's why I work a part time job.

    Now that I do agree maybe a closer monitoring of welfare I have a few other thoughts. I had a friend who had to ask for help from welfare at one time ( although she was terribly embarrassed ) and now is back to work. But I think ( and remember this is only My opinion) but one mistake that Welfare makes is the counting of income into the household it was my understanding that they determine what a client might need in assistance by their gross income would it not make more sense to figure on the net which they actually have to pay their bills with I would think that would make more people willing to take the minimum wage jobs with the proper supplement income. I received a call many years ago saying they were surveying what people thought about the welfare program and I made that statement to them and I guess it didn't mean much.

    Now I don't think the ones that need this help should have the expensive cell phone there are ways to get a phone that allows so many free minutes a month free and that should be good enough for necessities like Dr appointments, etc. I also think if asking for welfare requirements of tests for drugs and alcohol should be done.

    Actually this all comes down to being fair with actual house hold income, doing tests, making surprise home visits etc. But by all means everyone should have a place to live, medical, and food.

    I wonder how many of the complainers of welfare would see a person that has a sign work for food would go to a grocery store and buy a bag or two of food and give that person. I like most people just wouldn't let anyone at my home to do work but would buy them some groceries.

    What little bit of money would it take to buy a few can goods ( buy ones with the pop off tops so no can opener needed, as maybe homeless) like soups and crackers, peanut butter, jelly and bread its just so easy and cheap to give someone a little help. Rather than cry poor me I work to feed the needy.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: I can tell that you're not only stupid, you're so stupid that you don't read books.

    If you read books, you'd know about public libraries.

    If you knew about public libraries, you'd know that they have computers! With internet service! That even the poor can use for free!

    REALLY!

    Good grief, you're a box of rocks packed with stupid.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: People on welfare pay taxes, stupid filth. They pay sales taxes, they pay indirect property to landlords, and so on.

    Since they pay into the system same as you, they get the exact same privileges of deciding what to do with their personal life that you do, stupid filth.

    Welcome to reality, stupid filth.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: You're filth.

    That is all.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: There are computers with internet at libraries, selfish filth. Poor people can use them for free, selfish filth.

    Try to keep up, selfish filth.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @informationdan: Our taxes are way too low. That's what you're too stupid to get.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: A good start to murdering selfish filth like you in your sleep.

    Because that's what poor people do, stupid.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: Nine cents a day, scum. That's all it costs you to help the poor.

    You waste more money than that every day on stuffing your ugly selfish pig face.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: The government has the same right to take it and give it to poor people that it does to take it and fund wars for oil, or pays for a surveilance state to watch your every move, or to pay for all the other things government does, stupid.

    We all pay for things we don't like, moron.

    You're such stupid, selfish and disgusting filth that you begrudge paying NINE STINKING CENTS a day for poor people not to die in the streets.

    That's what it cost you, stupid. NINE STINKING CENTS A DAY.

    You waste more money than that driving your ugly fat self to the corner, stupid.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: They're not supporting people who are lazy.

    Let me explain something of the real world to selfish filth like you:

    My son's best friend was 18 when he had to get a kidney transplant. The surgery was over a million dollars. His medications to stay alive are $50,000 or more a month, depending on what else is going on. He has to take those medications for the rest of his life.

    He must make frequent and routine visits to hematologists and nephrologists whose office visits cost over $250 per visit. He must go to them for the rest of his life.

    When he gets the flu, he can't stay home. He has to go to the hospital, and hope that he doesn't get a stay in the ICU. Being put in ICU has happened at least once every 3 years since I've known him, and I've known him 15 years since the surgery.

    He has no family to support him.

    He wants to work. He can't. He has a pre-existing condition that no employer wants to pay for. If he tried to buy insurance, the premiums would be more than he would make.

    Selfish, murderous filth like you would let him die, all because you can't stand paying a mere 9 cents a day to keep him alive.

    That's how much welfare tended to cost.

    NINE STINKING CENTS.

    And you're too cheap and selfish to pay NINE STINKING CENTS.

    You are the lowest form of filth there is.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: What jobs? They don't grow on trees, you know!

    There aren't enough good paying jobs, and in some places there aren't jobs at all!

    There are companies asking for college educations for jobs that even ten years ago didn't require such a thing to get a job.

    Businesses are sitting on trillions of dollars, a lot of it coming from YOUR tax dollars, stupid, and they're still not hiring people!

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: It's actually less than 5% who are abusing the system.

    5% isn't enough to get upset about, stupid.

    The Federal government wastes more money in paper clips every year than it does on welfare.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: Welfare is a drop in the bucket of expenditures, moron.

    Corporate welfare dwarfs it.

    The defense department department--welfare is like a speck of dust in the universe in comparison, stupid.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: I didn't know they had computers in prisons where violent filth like you are.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: Yeah. Right.

    Hey, guess what, numbskull? Archer Midland is making millions in welfare!

    Why aren't you complaining about that?

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: You don't know her circumstances, you lying filth.

    Writing a post in ten minutes on a computer IS NOT the same thing as sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours a day, stupid filth.

    Try to keep up.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: My honest opinion? Too many people like you are too selfish, greedy and willfully ignorant for your own good.

    There shouldn't be a stigma for being on the dole. Most people aren't on it that long. Many of the people on it ARE WORKING, cupcake, and it's not enough, because you want to stuff your greedy fat pig face with cheap McDonalds burgers served by people who can't afford to live, cupcake.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for being such a disgusting, selfish pig.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: So they're supposed to starve? Become prostitutes?

    Some of them are 13 years old, cupcake. How can they support themselves when they CANNOT WORK?

    None of you conservatards think through anything.

    At all.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @geosum: The churches and local communities did a terrible job at it, cupcake. That's why welfare had to come along and help.

    If you knew anything worthwhile, you wouldn't say such appallingly ignorant things.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @anonymous: Japan DOES have a welfare system, you ignorant turnip with legs.

    The defense department wastes more in a day than welfare gets in a year, stupid.

    Corporate welfare is at least 20 times what got spent on welfare at its peak, stupid.

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    mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

    @Randyc2800: And then how does he pay if he's in prison stupid? The mom is still out of money, stupid.

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    mstcourtjester 4 years ago

    Great lens, good work!

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    Randyc2800 4 years ago

    @anonymous: We are headed that way now.

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    Randyc2800 4 years ago

    The welfare baby-momma has an easy solution; give the mother a choice. Finger the baby-daddy or get no benefit. Let the state then go after the daddy. If he doesn't pay, put his useless ass in prison.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    For each and everyone who is going to vote for their next government....

    Government welfare programs created to buy the Votes of those who want someone to take care of them?

    Japan does not have a welfare system.

    Work for it or do without.

    These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

    1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

    2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

    3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

    4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, guess what would happen if the working half also stops working... that is the beginning of the end...

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    SteveKaye 4 years ago

    We have a very active movement that is taking the US to the type of society that existed in France just before the revolution.

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    geosum 4 years ago

    Taking care of the poor and oppressed has always been the responsibility of the local community and the churches. When it was taken over by the government the community backed off.

    When the government runs out of money and there will be riots and turmoil. We see our department of homeland security buying up all the guns, ammo and armored vehicles they can find to protect the government from the people. Not a pretty picture.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    elderly and the sick yes not teen girls that get pregnant

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: Those children will grow up to be lazy maggots like mommy. They will NEVER contribute anything to society. If you can't support your children abort them or give them up for adoption, so they can have a shot at getting a good example from hardworking parents.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: i agree totally i know of a person that i VERY capiable to work but is to dependant to welfare system and has made comments as to if a child needs braces that welfare will pay for it! this is aggrevating when this person is able to work and here i am as a tax payor now ill be responible for their child/children as well as mine. it is also aggrevatiing that since i am working and i can't afford health insurance ill be fined next tax season yet i pay for health benefits for people on assistance and ARE capable to work. welfare system really needs to be rewritten and investigators actually visit home UNANNOUNCED and be able to talk with child/children as to who lives in home. especially if a women says she if just "friends" with a guy and pays room and board to stay there with their child/children. i bet 99% of these situations that is not the situation, they system is being frauded because most likely they are boyfriend and girlfriend!!!

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: As the Chinese might say, Yuk Fu. I would like to see more and more businesses start refusing welfare as a valid form of payment. If businesses can refuse certain credit card providers (some places do not take Amex or Discover), then they can put an unequivocal kibosh on MassaCard and chicken-n-waffle stamps too!

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: "Our society has trained many people to line up with hands out and wait for others to do it for them"

    Gas 'em in Treblinka and decrease the surplus population!

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: "Domestic violence"?

    Ever heard the old adage, a woman is like an old car, sometimes you gotta kick her to get her in gear? Hahaha

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: Do more than that: mandatory pregnancy testing for anyone collecting mooch coupons. Once the little plus sign comes up, you're out on the street. 'Nuff said.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: There are 7 billion+ on this planet. We can afford to lose more than a few. How about don't have kids, period, and let social Darwinism take its course. The unfit will render themselves extinct -- survival of the fittest. Problem solved.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: "do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"?

    Hm, isn't the next half of that quote something about the blind leading the blind? ;-)

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    davidsmith4 4 years ago

    thanks for info, good lens

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: In fact people without kids can in fact and do! My mother in law, who is single and with no dependent children, is on welfare much to our dismay. Be a fact she is so proud of the fact that she is on welfare that she tried selling us on it and wanted us to try to get food stamps too. No thank you. We have tried to get her to understand that she in fact can work. There are plenty of things she can do. Now know this, you the taxpayer are supporting a woman who claims she can't work but mows 2 acres, hangs drywall, fixes pipes, moves boxes around, paints, and changes her own brakes.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: granted, but giving something is a far cry from having something taken.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    @anonymous: My husband has severe ADD and holds down a job. Sorry but the fact you can sit at a computer and type means you can do data entry which is a viable job skill.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    My honest opinion is we as a society have lost the notion of personal responsibility and in doing so have no clue as to how to prioritize our needs. There is no longer a stigma of being on the dole. Back in the day, you were embarrassed if you were on welfare and now it is triumphant! Someone please explain to me how one cannot buy his or her own food, necessary for life, but can somehow afford an iphone? Which unfortunately they also think is necessary for life. :/ I am a teacher and the subject of income was brought up. Seeing a teachable moment, we discussed budgets (it was math and what better common core topic is there?) when food came up, several students said "that's what food stamps are for" As if the idea that one would actually pay for their own food was unheard of! I think it is time to end the safety net. I think it is time that we take charge of our own lives. As for SSI, there are just too many people who say they can't work but somehow clean their house, move boxes, garden, drive, cook, sit at a computer... all things that are employable skills. nuff said.

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    anonymous 4 years ago

    Why does ablebodied automatically mean you can hold down a job? I have adult ADD and its bad enough to be classified as a disability. Even on medications I am very socially awkward, reclusive, and I cannot do 2 things at once or focus when too much is going on around me. Organization is nonexistent and I have jad 30+ jobs in 5 years. My husband made good money in 2007-2010 and then he lost his job. He is working at McDonalds now and we can't cover our bills and lost his Gap coverage for our 3 children. Our savings was obliterated 6 months after his job loss and we are on the Dolw until we can find something better. But ADD can be as crippling as any other disability. I can't pick up on social cues (when someone is annoyed or when its timw to leave a friends house because I have overstayed my visit etc), I have really bad anxiety and stutter when speaking to new people I sometimes blush bright red and sunsequently break down in tears from embarrassment. I don't know what not to say and at times my mind races ahead of my reason and I blurt out things I shouldn't have said. Im very easily distracted and have found cashier jobs to be a very bad mix when counting back change. ADD/ADHD make things most people don't even think about very complicated for me. Driving is difficult and I can't have a radio on, laundry, dishes, and other chores get half done most of the time, and if I have appointments if they arent on an alarm clock alert I don't make them. Ive learned to cope with a few aspects of my disorder but tell me that an employer will accommodate my special needs or that Im not the first to be letgo when I miss details, forget what was asked of me, or unintentionally offend someone. Being able to physically do a job is irrelevant if you cannot mentally be there too.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    I don't think the issue should be welfare, per se. Emphasis should be placed on stabilization of population growth and on personal responsibility. U.S. births have exceeded U.S. deaths every year since 1946, and the effects are cumulative. Stopping at two or fewer children would result in a gentle reduction of population growth. If a woman (or a couple) has one or two young children and needs assistance, she should get it. BUT even people who "can afford" more children should not get tax deductions or credits if they have more than two, and certain welfare benefits should be capped at two.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: I am unable to have children, but could actually afford to do so. I would have been happy to adopt your son and could provide him with every luxury he could ever have in life. Instead he will live with you in your welfare home and learn that he is entitled to a welfare check every month. Congratulations.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: madodge... That is not depression, it 's a depressing situation and causes you sadness and grief. There is a huge difference in sad and chronic major depression. I was a caretaker for my grandmother right down to changing her briefs. She was suffering with alzheimers as well and could no longer feed herself due to a stroke caused by a brain anurysm. I know it can be hard on family members to see their once capable family member not be able to function and not even be the same person. If indeed you were diagnosed as depressed it was situational and NOT chronic major depression. I deal with clients with all kinds of mental illness and right now i am on crisis watch. The medication you speak of is not an all better magic pill. They only aleviate symptoms. Some days are great but more days their lives are a struggle and even despair. You should not speak of what you do not know. And from all your post I see a lot of Anger issues. You attack anyone that has fallen on hard times and people with disabilities. I will never understand such bitterness that comes from you. But I can reffer you to anger management in your area.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: cathy i agree. Funny how so many are against abortion. (not my favorite solution either) but the same people would let a baby starve. Makes me wonder about humanity today.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: Mare... let me get this straight.. your post says that you were married for 20 years and you paid in 40,000 a year in taxes? You had to have made about 350,000 a year. That's more than enough to have had savings after even paying taxes. I have a hard time believing someone with that income didn't have a nice size savings in case of emergency. If your savings was depleted and you could not get work after your divorce then in any state you would have qualified for food stamps at minimum. Even without children you could have. Its not anyones fault that you did not go through the long process of waiting for assistance. After all as you pointed out you paid so much in taxes you should have gone through the process.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: The working class does get help. For one even the working poor are working class. If you are married and have 3 children earning up to 49,078 you qualify for a credit called eic. Two children and up to 46,044 qualifies you. 41,132 qualifies you. 13,660 no children qualifies you. Then there is the child tax credit which you don't start getting phased out until you make 110,000. then there are home ownership credits. School tuition credits. Child care credits. A whole lot of credits. If you are middle class and barely making it You have to be making wrong choices somewheres. I for one am middle class and live comfortably. I take vacations. Own my home, have a nice car and do not skimp on nutrtition. I dress well too. I know people in the same field as me earning the same and live in homes that are over budget. Paying 40% or more on their mortages. My friends have tried to talk me into getting a home by them. I refused due to my mortage is about half of what they are averaging in their areas. I don't live in some run down home or run down area. I also don't require an elite neighborhood. I love my neighbors here. Also so many want an automobile way beyond their means. Which brings ins up, note is higher, and those suvs suck up gas. Also so many people think once they get that line of credit it's a spending spree and get in over their heads. Then people like you cry foul when someone got some of your pennies of taxes to make sure people don't starve or do without necessary housing and health care. You say you are middle class but your lack of maturity, compassion and your stereotyping of others shows socialy you are of a lower class. Money isn't the only thing that defines class.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: Did you read teri worked for 33 years that means that teri paid into social security through tax credits and is now severely disabled. Teri is simply getting what was taken from her pay. She paid in too and does deserve to have internet. You should have more compassion and thank god its not you!

    Teri You earned with all the taxes you paid in. It is a shame when people beat down those that suffer. Don't let anyone here make you feel bad.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    Also I sure hope anybody boasting about giving to charity isn't christian because the bible says "do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

    The bible also says "if someone has material goods and sees someone who doesn't and does not take pitty on him... how can he have the love of God in him?

    Also Remember Jesus said "those of you which do for the least of these brothers does for me"

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    Here is the thing i don't have time to respond to each comment i see but... I see so many of you saying that they shouldn't have children they can't afford. Do you have children? If you do are you sure 100% that your life will never take a turn for the worse? Oh even if you have a savings that goes very fast when there isn't income coming in. There are so many people on assistance that did pay in for many years before needing help. There are countless numbers of people spending countless hours looking for work. Going to interviews and job hunting has become a full time job for many. Families that had once 100k plus jobs are now needing help. People like to think that anyone who gets assistance were never productive members of society which is a myth. There are reforms in place you do have to look for work unles considered disabled. Also many states have 18 month cash benefit limits. Nobody can live off of it. Even if someone with children manages to grab that minimum wage job which is even hard to come by now. They still can't put food on the table they have to have that help.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    Here are more points for you to think about... Banks also benefit from these ebt cards. The money isn't floating around in some invisable box. Ebt benefits are deposited into a bank agreed apon by that states govt. some states go with jp morgan chase. When cash is withdrawn on cash benefits fees can be charged. any money in those accounts (including snap) can earn the bank interest though not much but it adds up. so now grocery stores (making masive amounts) and banks such as jp morgan chase are cashing in as well.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: karma all i have to say is thumbs up!

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    Another point.. It sounds like a good idea on the surface to drug test recipients because working people can be drug tested. At first I thought that sounds fair but we have to still feed children which are not at fault. So i thought maybe mandatory drug classes. And the benefits would go to an aproved payee to manage until said drug adict was drug free for a period of 6 months completing graduation of drug treatment. Ok sounded good then... i found out that a county in florida tried drug testing and about 100 of the over 5000 came up positive. And they said the drug testing cost them more than it saved them. Now im not in favor of it in the least.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    I think its disgusting that so many human beings have no compassion. As it stands corprate welfare for billionares is nearly double of all social welfare. But the least fortunate get targeted. There aren't any welfare queens, its a media myth boasted by conservatives for political gain. They pick out a few cheats and make examples of them. In ms a mother of 2 will get 170 in cash. But people argue if she moves to ny or california she will get more... um and the cost of living is triple or better. I think its more of a diservice to give my hard earned dollars to multi billion corporations.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: don't let them work you up. You have fallen on hard times and you deserve help. Every time you spend 1.00 dollar in food stamps it brings the economy 1.84. as I stated in my previous post fs is the largest stimulis there is. Also I do not like these cart nazis checking to see who is buying what in line and how they are paying for it. I guess they have nothing better to do in life. I am too busy with my own life to wory how and what other people buy. I can guarantee you if my 25 year career went downhill and i needed help i would get MY Food stamps and would buy what i wanted. If someone wanted to cart nazi me i would smile and tell them yep i sure did just buy me a steak! yep that ice cream too! its a stereo type that anyone who gets help has never been productive. I know an engineer who could not believe he had to ask for help. He paid in for over 30 years. So if he bought steak on his fs then good for him.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: Excellent point! Here is more to look at. The article states that a teen girl can get medicare to pay for her abortion. Absolutely false! For one medicare is for retired people on social security. The other way to get it is to have become disabled and qualify for ssdi (not to be mistaken for ssi) which in order to qualify you have to have EARNED the work credits. You also have to prove you are disabled for at least a year or your condition will end in death. Do not think it is easy to get. A man I knew had a dibilitating disorder which left him bedridden and his wife had to fight for years for her husband that worked for over 40 years. He finally got approved and a few months later died. Also not all people on food stamps,wic, and free lunch are unemployed most are the working poor that without the help would be left to very little food if any after paying bills. Here is another fact none of you think about... if we take away fs it affects us all. How? you may ask. Ok stores do not take ebt out of the kindness of their hearts... its about proffits and huge ones at that. So if it stops prices go drastically up due to less demand. More stores have to close doors because there isn't enough customer base. Oops there goes so many jobs. Economist have said over and over again that food stamps is the biggest economic stimulis there is. So if you want to at least double what you pay for groceries go ahead. Because most on here could care less if people starve. another fact is you have to make 50 k a year to even pay 10 cents a day for all nutritional programs combined and that's about what i pay. More dependents and you pay less. Ok on to the next topic. I saw so many of you attack the poster with schizophrenia. Yes she wrote well still doesn't mean she is capable of holding down a job. Very intelligent people have fallen prey to mental illness. Someone with mental illness can look and seem just fine then they relapse and the illness worsens. I work with the mentally ill i see it first hand. And depression can be debilitating. Because my grandma is sick is not depression its sadness and grief. There is a huge difference in sad and actual depression. Some here are under the impression that the meds that the mentally ill get are somehow a magic all better pill. Not the case at all they only aleviate symptoms. Sometimes a person has these awesome i can take on the world days and then they have those days that are so horrible they can't get out of bed maybe even for days. I see the suffering first hand. So many want to work then those relapses hit and thier world falls apart. also the meds most of them are on cause side affects. Risperdol a popular mood stabelizer/anti psychotic causes many to have anxiety along with their disorder and if they already have anxiety it is compounded. Abilify another popular mood stablizer/anti psychotic has quite a few side affects as well as muscle weakness and permanent tremmors. So many people have a stereo type of what mental illness is but until you open your heart mind and eyes to those affected you will never know. Praise god you do not have this chemical inbalance and do not have to walk in their shoes. Now anyone can have a mental breakdown due to a tragic life change and can spiral into what is called situational depression, which has a better out look than chronic major depression. And bipolar isn't she is happy and sad sometimes... bipolar is two extremes (two poles) the mania can cause the person to have so much energy that they wont sleep for days possibly and could result in psychosis due to lack of sleep. They can have mixed episodes. Then it can turn around and they can fall into major depression. Usually becoming suicidal. Most people seem to think the suicidal person is attention seeking. Not true. most are living such nightmares due to delusions (they believe its real) that they think its the only escape. Now on to cash welfare. A mother with 2 children in the state of Ms. Will get 170 a month. Not exactly a queens life... how can any of you say she is making more than you? If so none of YOUR Tax dollars helped her anyway. Another topic and im done. If we cut off housing then all those section 8 land lords will lose their money too and may not be able to rent at fair market value. He/she may be forced financially to sell those properties or if he was counting on those payments to make the note he may wind up in forecloser. Its highly likely that this landlord counted on those funds as part of his income. But with all that said and done i am happy to chip in so others may survive. As jesus said those of you who do for the least of these brothers does for me.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: I agree with you, the internet is a luxury. There are many medications for depression, I have had it my whole life and have always had a job. I even drove a garbage truck to support my kids when I got divorced. Many people do what they have to do, in my case I carried more than one job most of my life. I did not rely on the system to support the kids that I chose to have. I couldn't afford kids either, but I got a job and then paid for my own college to better myself. If you choose to better yourself and situation, you can. Depression is more common than most people even know. Many depressed people work and succeed. There is free or subsidized daycare or maybe a family member can babysit.

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    Marti Lawrence 5 years ago from Grain Valley, Missouri

    I think there should be some kind middle ground, where the truly desperate could get assistance for a brief period of time, but people didn't live their entire life on welfare.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: Why should i have to pay for someone who refuses not too? I work hard for my money while they are dinking off at home not doing anything. you chose to be on welfare when you clearly could get off. i want to scream when my hard earned money is used for people who think they deserve it for their existence. yes there are a small percentage of people who could possibly need it. if you have two hands and two legs. use them work and budget your money. america is america because we are all equal and can achieve the american dream. all those who do not progress in this life because they chose to waste their time will have to answer to god. progression is completely damned by giving some one a hand out.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: Good comment. I can't believe what vitriol and bigotry there is towards the poor. Welfare is security. It benefits the whole of society and it's cheaper than building and maintain more prisons.

    Thankfully in Australia we have a "reasonable" welfare system which enables people with some self sufficiency where children aren't collateral damage of poverty. We like to look after the disadvantaged rather than shit on them.

    Anyone can end up on welfare. It takes one loss of job, one acquired disability and you are screwed. Every married woman is a day away from becoming a single mother. All it takes is an affair, death or domestic violence to set the wheels in motion.

    A "civilised" society is inclusive of all, not just the privileged.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    i know for a check fact that chestewr bray alone is makuing 20,000.00 a month on welfare medicaid, why?....

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    This is the biggest, most disgusting, delusional far right-wing regressive piece of shit I've looked at in a long time. The author should get a real job instead of propagandising for capitalist parasites in a grossly unfair, stacked and rigged capitalist sysyem. I hope you get the pointy end of the capitalist stick like most people author; you deserve to suffer for peddling this insane nonsense that hurts so many. If welfare ends, next time I am, or another working class person, is in between jobs, I'll be waiting for your bourgeois parasite arse in a car park after work; make sure you've been to the ATM, you leech.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    Our cost for government would shrink by so much that our level of state and federal income tax rate would have to drop and so the money left in the pockets of hardworking responsible folks could be spent on lifting this economy out of the hole of the welfare system. The only way to shrink government and it's cost is for each individual to accept more personal responsibility, first for their own benefit then for the charity work of others in need. Charity was never a function of government, because government has no way to generate a revenue all on it's own performance or hard work. Charity and humanity begin at home. No changing what worked in the past. When government decides whom is worthy of charity, there will be problems. Allowing our government redistribution is very much like playing Robin Hood. It is government thieving. Charity and humanity are trusting in the lord, not government. Folks who would measure up to the task of charity have been and are doing so, and will continue to do so.

    As in the days of old, sometimes we need the kick in the butt to start producing and use every method to feed and clothe ourselves. We do not and cannot inherit entitlements, it was never to be that way. We can pass on the incredible debt of redistribution, and our children and grandkids will inherit that.

    Wake up and get to work! That is the answer I support.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: If you are on SSI your parents can leave you money in their will to be deposited in a special needs trust. Then you have that money and the SSI. And it can only be spent on luxury items such as TVs and cars.while spending your check on food and shelter. I have such a trust. I am not committing fraud, it's very legal. People want to kill me over it. They think I should live without luxuries if I can't work for them. Now, I don't happen to be one of those on SSI you would get jealous and suspicious of. I have had people come up to me offering to buy me food or other assistance because I look very very poor.. I look homeless. I should probably ditch the looking homeless thing especially since I have this trust fund.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: There are a lot of people with real disabilities that just tell people it's depression instead of schizophrenia because people run from you screaming if you tell them you have schizophrenia. It's embarrassing to explain you have a sub par iq along with a huge list of learning disabilities. Who wants to tell people you are dumb or crazy? Of course you are depressed too..that is usually a side effect of being disabled.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: Okay so lets say you reduce the number of children being born massively in this way... you now have created a new problem since less people will be able to support a larger number of aging people (you and me included). This means either eventually cutting off aid to the elderly or massively increasing taxes or some combination of the two. Further it strains the health system to over load again because of less contributors to the system. This incidentally remains the same even if you assume that most people will stay on welfare for life and that most of their children would do so too, something which the statistics do not in fact bare out.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: But hang on, you can't have it both ways - if everyone is able to improve themselves and get out of poverty by just applying themselves and not being lazy then surely many of these children that you would allow to starve to death would in fact not go on welfare.

    Now since your reasoning is clearly faulty it is obvious that you shouldn't be allowed to breed since your descendants will clearly inherit your faulty reasoning abilities and make humanity as a whole stupider thereby reducing our chances of survival into the future. Or is it only okay to apply your eugenics theories to the unemployed?

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    Given the reductions in poverty made when welfare was introduced (incidentally that was in a period of higher employment that reduced trade barriers and protectionism has made unlikely to return) it is fair to say that we'd be looking at a doubling of the poverty rate at the very least.

    The knock on effects of this would be enormous - massively increased crime rates and disease for one but other, less obvious things also would emerge. One big effect long term would be a reduction in the number of people able to get the sort of education and early childhood that might enable them to go on and become highly successful and thereby create a whole slew of additional jobs. If that occurs then less people will be employed than would otherwise be the case and, due again to the lack of a safety net, this would mean that this factor creates its' own biofeedback until a considerably worse equilibrium is reached at some point.

    Apart from a reduction of employment opportunities we'd also see another effect over time; a lessening of everyone's salaries and a worsening of working conditions save for those of the ultra wealthy since the threat of being reduced to poverty and homelessness would be ever present and would allow employers to gain far more power over employees.

    In short without welfare we'd all be worse off.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    You can't just stop welfare or any program that people depend on suddenly. Our society has trained many people to line up with hands out and wait for others to do it for them. We have a mixed bag of folks, some down on their luck, but many, so many are using the system. Not all people are lazy but some are misled by the ease of getting something for nothing. If every person that understands what I'm saying would help another person the world would be a better place. If someone does not want help themselves and they wish to starve only themselves to death we cannot stop them. We can help the ones that want to change!

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    I live in Canada and its the exsct same. These people are simpy lazy and breed the same type of lazy scum. Watch the movie Previous. Its id absolutely pathetic. They eat better, dress better, have things that hard working honest people can't afford. The need to get off welfare. The government should stand up snd really only give it to people who really need it. My mom was a widow with 5 kids She worked hard to provide for us - i never saw her. She was a decent and respectable human being. Yet to think she worked hard to support these selfish people. YES take it away and only give it to those who need it!

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: it takes two to tango so the saying goes so "he didn't impregnate her" alone. She had to engage. Both should have been using contraception. if his name is on the birth certificate and he is stated to be the father, he can be reported and the child support is garnished from his wages; if you create life you have to support that life.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: I get angry too when I hear welfare recipients say "I only get" bla bla bla. I would like my regular paycheck plus the "I only get" amount for doing nothing. They are ungrateful and unappreciative.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @RandyK54: I agree RandyK

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: discontinuing internet service would put money in your pocket. You write very well. but somehow have this feeling that despite your mental health issues, you could work. There is medication for depression, bi polar and more.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: We have to find solutions to life's blows. If your rent is that high its time for a different residence. I am unemployed with a MA degree. I obtained roommates.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @Sonaprint: A high school education is certainly needed, however, I have a MA and am not finding a job so we don't have to pay welfare recipients to get their BA which we currently do. The recipient still won't get a job. Its better to learn a trade in my opinion.

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    anonymous 5 years ago

    @anonymous: It should not take 5 years to get on your feet. Sell your house, your computer, discontnue to things that are not needed and more.