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End Welfare? - What If There Was No Welfare?

Updated on June 4, 2015
Madonna of the Poor
Madonna of the Poor | Source

End Welfare? What Would Happen to Humanity if There was no Welfare?

Welfare, as an institution of government, may be on the way out. What will happen to welfare recipients if there is no welfare? What can they expect? Can welfare be done away with - without causing mass starvation?

Why do we have welfare? Is it necessary?

I've stated some of my thoughts on the welfare state on this page and I'm asking you to think over the issues and contribute to the conversation at the end of the page.

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Dr. Thomas Sowell vs. Pennsylvania Secretary of Welfare, Helen O'Banion

What If There Was No Welfare?

...would all the poor people die?

If there was no welfare, working people wouldn't have to support non-working people, but would taxes go down or would the government find some other reason to keep our money?

Of course not all poor people would die, but would some of them? Do we have to view this process of release from the welfare state as one of coping with "acceptable loss?" I would have a hard time with that. Even one child dying because of poverty seems like too much to me.

I've been on the fence with welfare issues for many years. I can see that the welfare state has robbed people of motivation, encouraged dependency, and created an era of protracted poverty mentality. But how can we withdraw a helping hand when so many are destitute already?

Do you think it couldn't happen? Already California's governor tried to abolish welfare for the poor, and if it could happen there, it could happen anywhere. Our country is in very bad shape, financially. How can we continue sending support checks to so many?

Will Welfare End?

Will welfare end in your country within the next twenty years?

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A Guide for New Teenage Parents - Stay Together, If You Can

Your Baby's First Year: A Guide for Teenage Parents (Teen Pregnancy and Parenting series)
Your Baby's First Year: A Guide for Teenage Parents (Teen Pregnancy and Parenting series)

The best thing you can do for your child is to stay with the other parent, given that the person isn't abusive.

Two parents together can give a child the best chance of a happy life.

Also, someone should have a job... to at least try to support the family.

 

Would Children Starve?

...or would community organizations pitch in to help them?

I've met many generous people, especially since I started writing online. The internet has definitely helped me to become more charitable. But is charity enough to supply the needs of the poor and destitute?

Today while doing the research for this page, on YouTube I came across a video about Glide Memorial Church in San Francisco, a church that attempts to help the ailing and suffering masses in the poorest districts of that city. Though charity was massive and constant, they still didn't think they'd be able to do enough to fulfill all the needs of the people who would be left suffering if welfare ended.

I believe many people will help more, so much as they can, but that not all people will find the kind of help they need when they need it. Single mothers may be one of the most difficult groups to help because they can't work if they can't maintain a home and child care.

If welfare ends, there will probably be a lot more people dining in soup kitchens. A society encouraging charity would be an amazingly different place than this civilization which is dependent on welfare.

Starvation of Children

Would children in your community starve if there was no welfare (and no food stamps)?

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Tent Cities for Children and the Disabled

Tent cities in every park, is that what you want? Is that a good way to raise kids?
Tent cities in every park, is that what you want? Is that a good way to raise kids? | Source

Would Families Be Destitute and Line the Street With Tents?

...would they ever get on their feet and find housing and jobs?

If all the money the government spends on hand-outs was instead spent on putting poor Americans to work, these people might have hope. To pull the rug out from under them without helping them find stable situations would be cruel. That begs the question - how cruel can we be? It seems some politicians have no problem with forcing people into the streets and out of their homes.

If you're living on the poverty level and on any kind of welfare program, you had better invest in a good tent and other camping equipment, just in case. Start now to create your own backup plan so if everything crashes down around you -- you can walk out of your comfort zone without being in a panic.

Tent Cities

Would poor families with no welfare have to live in tents?

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Protest Song: James McMurty Points Out What's Wrong With the Economic Situation and How it Affects the Poorest of the Poor.

Wisconsin Sisters in Poverty

American Dream: Three Women, Ten Kids, and a Nation's Drive to End Welfare
American Dream: Three Women, Ten Kids, and a Nation's Drive to End Welfare

This comprehensive look at welfare recipients in Milwaukee, Wisconsin profiles three sisters, examining six generations of their family and a long history of poverty.

This book takes the issue of "black welfare mothers" into a personal and sympathetic relationship for both sides of the welfare debate.

Though we live in a country with an "American Dream" that teaches us that everyone has a chance for financial prosperity, there are many good reasons why some people are unable to escape from generations of poverty and despair.

 

Would Young Women be More Careful Not to Get Pregnant?

...would the birth rate go down? ...would the abortion rate go up?

Most of us would like for young women to think before they agree to be in a situation where pregnancy could happen. Our country isn't focused on trying to make young people resist having sex, however. In fact, sex education as taught in the schools may encourage early experimentation.

When my daughter was 12 and in eight grade I was notified by the school that if she wanted birth control, school officials would take her to the clinic behind my back and I would not be notified. (Crazy, in my opinion, but true! This happened in California!) So perhaps that's our civilization's answer... teach them about sex, take them to the clinic for birth control, and send them out on the streets.

Would these well-educated young ladies be more careful not to get pregnant? Perhaps they'd be more careful to get birth control, at the very least... but isn't free birth control a form of welfare? Who pays for that?

And oh, one more thing. The school notified me that if my daughter needed an abortion she could get that through them without notifying me. So, that's another option, presumably somehow paid for by the government.

It is hard to get away from government funded welfare programs these days.

Free government schools are a kind of welfare program too, you know. But most people don't want to think of it that way.

Young Mothers

Would young women be more careful about getting pregnant?

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Memoir of a Fatherless Child

Lost in the Fog: Memoir of a Bastard: A Belgian Recalls the War, the Nazis, Her Fractured Life
Lost in the Fog: Memoir of a Bastard: A Belgian Recalls the War, the Nazis, Her Fractured Life

This reminds me of a memoir I recently read. It is about a girl child who was raised by her single mother, who had to live with the grandparents.

It took place before and during World War II in Belgium. A fascinating story!

 

Would Young Fathers-to-Be be More Likely to Stay With the Women They Impregnated?

...would they take responsibility and be fatherly at a young age?

Here's a very heart-warming notion. Would young fathers be more likely to stay with their girlfriends who were pregnant because they would no longer be able to think, "she can get welfare," or "she can get an abortion paid for by medicare," or "they can get food stamps?"

Would they realize they created a life (I don't want to say 'made a mistake') and try to do something manly like get a job and support mother and child?

Or would they freak out and become hobos while their children starved? What do you think would happen most often?

Young Fathers

Would they be more likely to take responsibility for their offspring?

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Would Young Single Mothers be Supported by Their Families Instead?

...if they couldn't get welfare, would their families help out?

Isn't that how it used to work, before welfare? If a young woman was in the family way, she was in B-I-G trouble, especially if there was no man to step up and claim responsibility. These women typically had to incur the wrath of their parents and remain living with them. It was a terrible, scary situation for many of them.

Nowadays, if they're pregnant they can get welfare and move out on their own. Their parents may still be furious, but they don't have to live with the old folks.

It seems the 'new morality' is that you don't have to worry about being unmarried and pregnant. In 2009 almost half of all births in the United States were to unmarried mothers. This just doesn't have the same social stigma it used to.

See statistics in the NY Times: Out-of-Wedlock Birthrates Are Soaring, U.S. Reports.

Family Support

Would families help young single mothers with their children?

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How Welfare Reform Affects Real People

Flat Broke with Children: Women in the Age of Welfare Reform
Flat Broke with Children: Women in the Age of Welfare Reform

The researcher who wrote this book interviewed dozens of people affected by welfare reform cutbacks, in a medium sized southeastern town, and in a western city. Her insights from talking to real people enabled her to write a book that not only examines the reasons behind welfare reform, but also explains how families are impacted both positively and negatively.

 

Would More Children be Taken Care of by Their Grandmas While Their Parents Worked?

...somebody will have to take care of them!

I think there's no doubt that more children would be left with their grandmas (or grandpas) because the end of welfare also means the end of government subsidized child care such as Head Start programs and maybe even all public schools, since the government school system is another form of welfare. (Of course - government likes that because it gives them a chance to inculcate their values into the children at an early age.)

But what about families where the single mom is working at the local pizza parlor for minimum wage plus tips, and she has no family to leave her children with. This could be a disaster! I believe most families would be able to manage just fine, but it is those isolated cases of destitution and hardship that would keep me up at night. Would private charitable organizations be able to pick up the slack?

And what about grandmas that work; maybe they wouldn't want to quit their jobs to be babysitters for their grandchildren. Lots of grandmas are too independent for that.

Grandmas to the Rescue

Should grandmothers be expected to provide child care for grandchildren?

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Does Welfare Ruin Ambition? Does Desperation Promote Income Generation?

Would People be More Likely to Seek Creative Income Opportunities?

Acres of Diamonds: All Good Things  Are Possible, Right Where You Are, and Now!
Acres of Diamonds: All Good Things Are Possible, Right Where You Are, and Now!

There's no time like the present to brainstorm income producing activities.

For every door that closes, another opens. Don't be afraid of the future, because usually the door that opens leads to something far better than what was left behind.

Not every person can hold down a full time job, but everyone can think of something to do that would be creative, feasible, and profitable.

Have you read Acres of Diamonds - a speech by Russell Conwell? If not, this is the perfect time.

 

Would the Economy be Stimulated Because More People Would Work?

...economic recovery by ending welfare?

I am no economics expert, so I can't answer this question. I'm putting it out here for others to consider.

I believe it helps for people to have lower expectations of what life should be giving them. Joy in living a simple life is what has saved me... there's still plenty of happiness to be had even if you can't buy everything you want.

The Economy

Would the economy be stimulated if all welfare programs were closed down?

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War or Welfare?

President Dwight D. Eisenhower pointed out that war is a lot more expensive than charity for the poor.
President Dwight D. Eisenhower pointed out that war is a lot more expensive than charity for the poor. | Source

Wefare or War?

Would you rather support welfare or war with your tax dollars?

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Would People be More Likely to Grow Gardens if Welfare Ended?

...I sure hope so! So why don't they all do it now? Is supermarket food all that much better? I don't think so!

My grandmother had a little sign in her flower garden... it said, "One is nearer God's heart in a garden, than anywhere else on earth."

For those of you living in apartments: Urban Farming: Window Farms.

There's nothing quite as sweet as self-sufficiency. "God bless the child who's got his own."

Gardening as a Solution to Poverty

Would welfare recipients start gardens if they had no free money or foodstamps?

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What do you think would happen if there were no welfare at all? - ...meaning no food stamps, no cash aid, no medical aid, no unemployment insurance, no SSI, no

So, what's your opinion on all this?

Welfare must end!

Welfare must end!

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    • Matt F. 2 years ago

      It's so funny how someone who is not even ready to divulge their identity has SO much to say in their anonymity...typical scared shouters!

      I have been receiving SNAP benefits for some time, but on my way out of that...BY MY OWN HAND. To sit and generalize everyone on benefits into one category is simple ignorance. Maybe if our government stopped sending trillions in foreign aid to other countries, this would not be such a large problem. I do not feel that it is the U.S.'s responsibility to take on welfare abroad while cutting those same type of benefits here on our own citizen body. Maybe if everyone stopped for a second with their finger pointing and realized we spend MUCH more on foreign aid than on our own sect of poor folks, maybe the rest of the world would begin to take of their own messes instead of relying on the U.S. taxpayers to bail them out...ever consider that people?

      Find me, hunt me down, disparge my name...who cares, it won't change my opinion o how a system can be used the way it s supposed to be used instead of abused because a politician wants to have a favorable rating in another country...damn, we are SO dumb, collectively...

      Who ever asked the taxpayers if it was OK to send billions in aid every other week to somewhere outside of our borders???

    • Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

      Del, I couldn't agree more. I don't see poverty stricken welfare recipients as being "the problem" with money in this country. Rather, it is more likely the war activities and the welfare we don't often hear about, going to large corporations.

    • Del 2 years ago

      To discontinue welfare support in order to better fund war efforts is an insane idea. The USA has killed several hundreds of thousands in the name of war, many who were innocent. Shall we put more money into army efforts by stealing bread from the hungry in our own country? This makes no sense at all!

    • Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

      @OldRoses - I agree that welfare to work is the best response. I do, however, worry about children left with inadequate child care providers while their parents are working. Young people need to be better educated about the consequences of having children born into bad relationships.

    • Caren White 2 years ago from Franklin Park, NJ

      I don't think that ending welfare completely is the answer. Before government welfare, church's and community groups tried to ameliorate the misery of the poor. But taxpayers still paid for it through their tithes at church and their charitable donations to organizations supporting the poor. So if you do away with government welfare and the associated taxes, you would be replacing it with community groups and donations from the community. I think welfare to work is a better idea. Lifelong welfare creates dependency whereas if you put a time limit on it and force people to go to school to train for jobs while collecting, no one would view welfare as a permanent income source as they do now.

    • anonymous 3 years ago

      Severe overhaul is needed. A policy needs to enacted that stops rewarding women for having MORE children once they are already in the system. You have 1 child when you begin rec'd welfare? That 1 child will be provided for, not the additional 3-4 you irresponsibly crap out over the next decade! As another person mentioned below. I CONSTANTLY see women who appear in their early to mid 20's with 2-3 children under the age of say 8. Many are often carrying "smartphones" and are wearing brand name clothing while their kids look like refugees from a 3rd world country. I can spot them immediately. Heaping cart FULL of junk food with not one bag of vegetables for fruit to be found. ALWAYS a SNAP card. EVERY TIME. It's BS when a working man's family is scraping up change and returning cans and bottles for the return deposit money while this is going on. It's no wonder why people are apathetic towards entitlement recipients, is it?

      That said, granted, there are those that have paid into the system in the past through employment that use it as a stepping stone while ill or unemployed, as it was meant to be utilized, and I have no problem with that at all. Sometimes we do forget about the folks who aren't abusing the system, and are grateful for the aid, rather than expecting it.

    • anonymous 3 years ago

      Honestly, we're on it pretty bad and just found out that we're trapped. I honestly kind of wish something would happen to some of it (we have a place we'd stay, my husband has a job and I have to stay home with our disabled daughter due to medical appointments and therapies multiple times a week)

      If we ended up at our plan B I might be able to work out a schedule with them (one is nearing retirement and doesn't work many days a week and the other holds an 8-3:30 job so if we lived with them, I'd be able to have hours and babysitter so I could find a job). I think there would be people who ended up on the streets and big corporations that would fail but I do think people would end up better off as a whole. I wouldn't mind finding a way to go to how things were back when our grandparents were kids where they'd make their own jobs if they couldn't find one.

    • anonymous 3 years ago

      I'm a waiter and I can not stand Welfare. I serve black people all the time that are clearly unemployed and receiving welfare. I had a table the other day who left me a terrible tip and say Obama is paying for this. It is horrible. Its not fair to the people that work there asses off and live there lives responsibly not having kids and doing drugs. The sad part is that I have diabetes and I am denied medicaid because I have no kids and make to much money and I don't have kids. The system is completely reversed. People that work and pay into the system get denied benefits, wtf is that! If you don't work you get nothing, then maybe you will work. You want to sit on your ass and make babys then you and your children will die, to bad! I use to have a heart, but after seeing hundreds of dollars taking out of my check each week so that these fuckers can do nothing all day is complete bullshit. Then when I need some help I get denied. My favorite is people that are on welfare have iphones and brand new cars. This must stop. If people starve people starve too bad!

    • anonymous 3 years ago

      So tired of going to the store and watching these families with 3-4 kids filling their carts to the brim with types of food I can no way even come close to affording. While my wife and I both work and have one kid and we struggle and have to coupon clip and hunt for sales to even halfway fill our cart with store brands. Makes me sick to my stomach trying to skimp by affording what we do while I watch these darn free loaders eat like KINGS!!!

    • anonymous 3 years ago

      welfare as we know it must end. But that can only happen if more jobs are brought back here where they belong. (I'm from Canada, same issues as the USA) Some important steps need to be taken to ensure we are actually taking care of our own people and then there is NO excuse to be on welfare, because all you need to do is go get a job.

      Mind you, I know of several people who are on welfare (went to highschool with them/used to know them.)

      I can (sadly) put them into 3 neat little boxes.

      1.Lazy females who keep reproducing, while spending their welfare dollars on tattoos and nights out at the bar and then cry on facebook for people to lend them money.

      2.Pot dealers who use welfare as their extra source of income.

      3.Lazy stoners who really just don't want to cut their hair, put on their button-ups and go get a job. (We live near an industrial park which offers more jobs than the average town our size so we're pretty fortunate.)

      Maybe until they decide to quit sending all our jobs overseas and bring them back to Canada/USA where they BELONG we could make a few changes to the welfare system...

      1. All recipients must sign an agreement that there may be randomized drug testing. (Just like how teachers, railroad works and government officials have to take drugs tests. - they would need to be willing to be drug free to get free money, if they have a drug problem they can be referred to our local mental health and drug addiction clinic which is free in our area.)

      2. When signing up for welfare you are made aware that you will only be getting benefits for the children you currently possess, if you are currently pregnant you would need to provide proof (doctors note). You will not get an increase in benefits for extra children. (Some welfare mothers I know will continue reproducing for more benefits. That is about $200 extra in welfare per month, plus a baby bonus every month of up to $500.)

      3.Recipients are required to do some type of volunteer work and must complete 20 hours every week. This must be signed off on and neglecting to complete your volunteer work would result in termination of benefits. This would allow recipients to obtain skills and experience that they can add to their resumes in order to be better prepared for jobs. Mothers in the program can also do volunteer work, in our area child care can be subsidized meaning it is free for them, having a family member babysit can also be paid for.

      I know, some of these things are going to cost at first - drug tests, subsidizing care, more people getting drug rehabilitation assistance, free bus tokens to get to their volunteer jobs, etc... But it would benefit the people by getting more people off of welfare and back into working. They could even get training about starting their own business which would help the economy and create MORE jobs.

    • anonymous 3 years ago

      It would be a much, much better country with better people.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      If they brought jobs back from overseas there might not be a need for welfare. With jobs back on American soil those have any pride would work and those who are lazy will be on welfare. Welfare was never meant to be abused or used as a lucrative business for single mothers that keep having kid after kid.

      I'm not religious but I believe churches should be mandated to help and should be put in place instead of welfare. A choice of church attendance or community service work should be required for those receiving help.

      I don't know how women and men! can have any pride in themselves doing nothing day by day other than waiting for a government check to arrive in the mail. The welfare program has good intentions and is needed in some cases but too many intentionally abuse it in today's world. It needs to stop.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      What would they do?no more free suv with 24"wheels & no free big screen no trading food stamps and ebt for drugs Those poor people !

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      Ending welfare would bring cut crime,drug abuse, obesity ect.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. YOU TEACH HIM HOW TO FISH, YOU FEED HIM FOR A LIFETIME. END WELFARE TODAY, LET THEM HAVE FISH BREATH FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES !!!

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      You can't just address this issue in isolation. It has to be tackled as part of the bigger picture.

      Welfare ending, more police, greater penalties, job creation, buy locally made products and put tariffs on imported goods, spend the welfare on education, technology, birth control is like welfare but a better approach IMHO, stop immigration, make some types of subsidised education indemnified to stop the brain drain. Reward the behaviour wanted, punish the behaviour that's unwanted, bring in capital punishment and abolish super max prisons.

      Run the country more like a small business, make/sell more, keep costs down and save. Reduce bureaucracy!!!!

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      SNAP, housing assistance and many other programs need to end immediately. As an adult we should be responsible for oneself and those we bring into the world. If you are not ready, then don't have a child. It's your child, not your fellow Americans. Learn to make a living AND live on what you earn.

      Unemployment insurance should be available to those that have worked. How long & how much you are entitled must be dependent on the number of years you have worked.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      I say welfare should be very tightly resistricted. It should assist people that especially have physical disabilitiies, such as lost limbs. If you worked all your life and come down with a disablling disease such as MS - welfare should assist you since you can work, but with limitations. Having babies is not a disablitly - but rather a choice. If you 'chose' to have a child then it is your responsibility to care for them. I work with a 34yr old woman who is unwed with 2 children, she works full time, her mother cares for them while she is at work. Her parents give her housing in an apt they own. She volunteers to be laid off so she can go on welfare instead of collect unemployment. Now that work has called her back to her job - she purposely got pregnant again. She tells co-workers that now she can quit her job and 'soak the state for every penny she can get'!! This woman has a job, her and her children are in good health, but she found a way to stay home and get paid for it!!! And she pulls the 'race' card saying she is a minority! She was not even born in this country. This makes people that work to support themselves believe that we are the ones doing something wrong!! Stop giving a free lifestyle to people who 'pop' out baby after baby. I also know a young couple who refuse to work fulltime and had many opportunities to get fulltime, good paying jobs with benefits, but instead decided to start having kids at the expense of the taxpayers. They applied for welfare and got it immediately and stayed on it for over 20yrs! I had to work 2 jobs to pay my way, while this 'friend' just stayed home watched tv and go shopping! Stop the maddness - make people responsible for their actions and choices!!!! The money should go to the elderly instead!!!!

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      like the slaves of long ago, the negros want to be taken care of. if they can walk to the refrigerator for free food, get abortions free, get free phones, they should work for them.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      I see welfare being abused everyday at the supermarket. I see people buying things like potato chips, soda, candy, and ice cream, things they shouldn't be able to get with food stamps and it makes me sick. I feel like saying to them: I am not your father, I am not your baby daddy, I am not your sugar daddy, so why should I have to pay for the choices that you have made in your life that led you to being on welfare? These people need to get off of their asses and start leading more productive lives.

    Welfare is necessary!

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      • Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

        @Sanxuary - totally agree... I think the welfare payments to the poor are just a well-publicized distraction to keep taxpayers distracted from the much more egregious misuses of the government's money - like free money flowing to corporations. And yes, the problem with getting full-time work these days is huge. So many can't get them because the corporations don't want to pay for the medical insurance. The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. That's the way of this government, these days. What will turn it around?

      • Sanxuary 2 years ago

        When is the Government going to demand a living wage, a forty hour job and Corporations to pay there taxes. When we get their I might care about the handouts that keep us pacified.

      • jmchaconne 3 years ago

        Of course we have a responsibility to care for those who are unable or disabled. My objection is how we do it. Since the 'War on Poverty" was enacted in 1965, we have spent more than 16 trillion dollars, without significantly reducing the percentage of people in poverty. That makes little sense to me. When we remove assistance from people who earn $1.00 over the poverty level, they cannot survive on what they earn. That is not a safety net, it is a trap from which it is difficult to escape. That makes little sense to me as well.

      • anonymous 3 years ago

        Without SSI, Medicaid, and Foodstamps, my disabled son would die. With my disabilities, I would probably be institutionalized or left to die on the streets.

      • anonymous 3 years ago

        James, how on earth do you know how they are paying for that food? If you want to eat different food, eat different food! Take a little personal responsibility, and stop assuming that any family with lots of kids is on welfare. Maybe both parents work in those families, too! And Jess, random drug testing is a waste of money. In states where they tried it, they found only 2% of welfare recipients tested positive. So, they spent 20 million dollars to save $2,000. Not a good investment.

      • anonymous 3 years ago

        Forget gardens--you have to own a home for that. Forget charities and community outreach--they are already stretched too thin as it is. Forget men stepping up to the plate when they impregnate someone. What would happen: abortion would go up among both married and unmarried people. Crime of all kinds would skyrocket. Suicide would skyrocket. MORE men and women both would abandon the family when they got fired from their jobs. Yes, children would starve, right there in front of their classmates. Children would watch their classmates starve while their parents preached about personal responsibility. About 75% of people wouldn't go to college, 40% would drop out of high school in hopes of getting a job, and worst of all, there would be even fewer jobs than there are now. Social workers would have to become secretaries, waittresses, or salespeople. IF they could get hired in today's already oversaturated job market. More people would lose their homes. More people would go to jail in order to have something to eat or see a doctor. More people would kill their children so they wouldn't have to watch them starve. Carjackings, home invasions, and robberies would go off the charts, because prison would become an incentive to commit crimes, not a punishment.

      • sakeetarosen 3 years ago

        And to the person who said "give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him to fish, feed him for a lifetime."

        It doesn't work if the man has no fish to fish! Doesn't work if his pole is broken! Same thing!

      • sakeetarosen 3 years ago

        We live off of welfare, and without it we would die. People are not charitable, especially not in my area. The only help you can get is a small donation of money towards an electric bill. We only receive foodstamps, but that alone is the only reason we are alive. We are losing our home, and my mother cannot find a job. Shes a certified accountant, and before she could always find a job. She had to take a break from working to take care of my grandpa, and we moved in with him. I as 2 and a half at the time. Both my grandmothers died at the same time, and the trauma made me grandpa get Alzheimer's.

        We were told his house would be paid for when he died. We were not told his life insurance started decreasing at 62. By the time he died, only 10,000 was left. We had to use that to pay for the house for 2 months, just so we could push foreclosure out. Paying for 2,000 just for the house is hard. Electric is 500. All we had was my dad's social security money, a mere 700 a month.

        My mom ended up getting a job, and a position was created just for her.

        But because of company policy, they had to allow other people to try out for the position.

        A person who can't even do the job, got it just because she used to work for them at a different plant. She already screwed up their books in the first two weeks my mom was training her.

        So now she gets unemployment, which is half what she made. When she had her job, we had just gotten caught up on bills. We still were getting foreclosed on, and still going to be homeless.

        Its been almost a year since she lost that job, and she still hasn't found one. She applies for over 10 jobs a week, and not even a phone call comes for her to have an interview. We are still losing our house, and I'm a teen mom.

        Its impossible to get a job without a GED AND experience. You always have to have prior experience. Its completely unfair that we are in this situation because of other people.

        Tons of people are on the brink of dying, because they were dealt a bad hand in life.

        ALSO FOOD IS NOT THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO LIVE! We need shelter, we need toilet paper, we need shampoo and soap! We need clothing! But those things we can't have, cause we can only have help with food!

        The food stamps we get is not even enough. 500 bucks for 5 people doesn't work when everything is 5 bucks a piece. No help with money for buying diapers, we make too much for TANF.

        Not that TANF even helps people. Here's a copy and paste from the website: A family of three, with no income, would receive a monthly TANF grant of $478.

        $478 is not enough for a family of 3. How can they even pay rent, when just a studio apartment is 700 a month for just the rent? Then they have to pay for utilities, and their personal care items.

      • anonymous 3 years ago

        All of u r crazy..

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Ending welfare will not only hurt the people that really need it, but will cause this country to go into riot mode. How can people say take away a program that helps those that cannot get a job? Who cannot even get transportation money to even look for that job. Where are all these people going to work? The statistics show that there are not enough jobs for every man and woman in America. That is why the Presidents wants the younger generation to go to school and get a higher education, that they will get that good job now instead of later. But even this does not mean that same person will always have a job to go to. I do not see what the big deal is to have taxes taken out of your check, that your going to get back anyway at the beginning of the year, hurt you if help is given to your country man. This is not no third world country where the killing and crime rates are sky high. Where people practice cannabilism and wars are started because the other village people have more than the other. People are making such a sour mouth deal over loving and helping others, but they believe in God one hundred percent???? This country can thrive if we stop borrowing money from other countries, and going to war over foolishness. Stop over spending on biotechnology. Stop mass production of vehicles that no one is buying or driving. finding a job that never comes is hard enough, but saying that we cannot eat or receive medical treatment while in this process is cruel and unusual punishment. this America and united states will end the day that welfare does. We will see Marshall law. You will see killings , crime, starvation, etc., just because people that have money or a job always talk bad about the poor, but they are human beings too. You cannot blame nothing on men or women. Blame society that promotes all kinds of sexual tendencies thru the propaganda the children see on television. If you take awat drastically speaking we all will become immediately affected by this unnecessary action. If you want your tax money back file for it every year. American people pay taxes for astronauts to go into space right? Take away that money from that program. WE do not need to know what is space if we can see it thru a telescope. The government spends billions if not trillions of your tax money on this , but nobody says anything about that. If you are a true believer then you know it is always a responsibility to care for our brothers and sisters. Not doing this is a violation towards God and his laws. No love, no heaven. We will be creating a new Hell, that I know those people that say to abolish will drastically suffer for it. Nobody sees that there is no way that everyone in America can work. That is economically impossible. Everyone cannot work in this country whether financially unable to, or physically unable too. Pay attention nay sayers. you will be held accountable by a higher power greater than yourself for any actions taken against the poor. The meek and the poor shall inherit this Earth. The day is coming.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        If welfare ends, chaos will ensue. When the economy was (is) bad and employment was low, theft and robbery grew. As long as we have hearts that still bleed for the future of children, welfare will never go away. Welfare, sometimes, is not a choice, but a hand we're dealt with, unfortunately. There are many who are abusing the system. There are many who needs help. The big problem with welfare is it is created and invites fraud. Welfare does not help the middle class, or the struggling working class. It helps the poor. The cost of standard living is way above the average household income. Welfare should not end, it needs to change.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Sometimes when I turn on CSPAN and watch politics and ideology take shape, I feel like we should all just give up and stop trying to help the poor. It is more out of frustration than my own value system. I do believe A well planned welfare system can and does work. Most countries have some sort of national healthcare and unemployment benefits. The best of them all, Germany and Nordic countries, do tremendously well, but I believe this is because their society as a whole agrees with welfare and do what they can to better its effectiveness and implementation. Rather than destroy and reduce it like some in the United States try to do. I do believe, if we didnât have welfare, most people would be famished, homeless and would rather be euthanized. Life isnât about survival, it is about living. Despite the very reasonable thought that if welfare was reduced more people would be compelled to find work, no matter how small the pay was, this is simply misguided as most welfare recipients do work. That idea may be true for some and those individuals would be able to (and do) live around the poverty line, those types of jobs may run out since there would be a decrease in demand and a realignment of the economy (meaning deflation and recession. Perfectly sound economics in this situation). Even after the correction, those individuals who do find low wage work will not be able to increase demand enough to increase overall employment. This would affect every sector; cars, healthcare (if not increase healthcare costs more since more would use ER rooms), supermarkets, fastfood chains, college towns as a whole, etc. Speaking of college towns, event after a correction where tuition would drop most would not be able to afford to send their child to school. We have seen this in our past, therefore, continuing the endless cycle of poverty, increasing crime. Technology may be able to reduce this college trend, but I do not believe online classes to be as effective in all lessons and majors as in class seminars.

        I came from a town of 1500 in rural Iowa. There are no soup kitchens. The nearest town for help would be 20 miles away, where there is bound to be already an increased pressure on charity for domestic individuals. Charity would have to completely make up the amount of money the government spends in order to fully carry the load. That's in the trillions of dollars, which needs to be distributed all over the US, not just big cities. The USPS is having difficulties in rural areas, I can only imagine how charity would fare. Yes, management in nonprofits or donations may be better than govt management, but that wonât make a big dent in the dollar amount still required. (Nonprofits are actually worse than govt administratively).

        As for local farming, it could work some, but most windows sills and small towns do not have enough space to grow an acre of food (An acre feeds a family) or enough space to store the food needed for the whole year. What we could do is have the community chip in (through taxes) to build a sky scrapper in order to grow hydroponics. The whole community would then be self-sufficient. This would be a better investment than food stamps and would reduce food spending, but would sadly impact farmers. If this isnât done, food stamps would have to be coupled with job training in order to actually give them skills to move beyond low wage jobs, where food stamps are still required.

        Unemployment is needed in order to continue to prop up demand as a result of the business cycle, which is no fault of their own. Yet it should be limited, because no one should have free money forever, but it should be similarly situated to how deep the cycle is (as in this latest recession). Corporate welfare should only be used for national security or a specific national goals, like ship building and renewable energy. These serve an important purpose where, for example, oil subsidies do not.

        One problem I have with family member helping care for each other is they will likely not have the time or money to aid. Unless they all work around each otherâs schedule in order to be available when needed, it would not work. If families did help each other, it would only reduce the pressure of child rearing, which effects very little of the economy, but would still bring us back to my initial point. Low wage jobs are the enemy (but I understand a natural occurrence in capitalism). Technology and automation, without profit share, will continue the unemployment trend in the foreseeable future. Some conclude 40% chronic unemployment when this inevitably occurs. The jobs that occur as a result of this technology change will not require as much labor capital as jobs of the 20th century required. Unless we resort back to 1750 living situation where we wouldn't need much, if any welfare, I think welfare is a society necessity unless something can replace it, which I think can and will happen. But in our contemporary world we need to accept that we, and the rest of the world, are urban where we are more susceptible to the business cycle. Technology will change our need for a welfare system. It may be able to create, by self-replicating and creation, basic necessities, like basic housing and food. All other luxuries, including houses, clothes, phones, college etc, would still be available to purchase. This would reduce the need for welfare, but continue a capitalist economy. To some this may seem like communism, but only basic necessities would be provided (housing and food) and those would still be dictated by the individual rather than government. 3D printing and automation will allow us to provide for all, reducing our need for welfare.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        One problem I have with family member helping care for each other is they will likely not have the time or money to aid. Unless they all work around each otherâs schedule in order to be available when needed, it would not work. If families did help each other, it would only reduce the pressure of child rearing, which effects very little of the economy, but would still bring us back to my initial point. Low wage jobs are the enemy (but I understand a natural occurrence in capitalism). Technology and automation, without profit share, will continue the unemployment trend in the foreseeable future. Some conclude 40% chronic unemployment when this inevitably occurs. The jobs that occur as a result of this technology change will not require as much labor capital as jobs of the 20th century required. Unless we resort back to 1750 living situation where we wouldn't need much, if any welfare, I think welfare is a society necessity unless something can replace it, which I think can and will happen. But in our contemporary world we need to accept that we, and the rest of the world, are urban where we are more susceptible to the business cycle. Technology will change our need for a welfare system. It may be able to create, by self-replicating and creation, basic necessities, like basic housing and food. All other luxuries, including houses, clothes, phones, college etc, would still be available to purchase. This would reduce the need for welfare, but continue a capitalist economy. To some this may seem like communism, but only basic necessities would be provided (housing and food) and those would still be dictated by the individual rather than government. 3D printing and automation will allow us to provide for all, reducing our need for welfare.

      • Aunt-Mollie 4 years ago

        It would be a human disaster. A society owes help to the weakest of its members.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        We tend to polarize this issue - all who are on welfare are bums or all who are on welfare have no other option. My experience is that those whom I am in contact with who are on welfare have a few relatively universal opinions about the program. First, most hate the program. It is demeaning, it is a sign of personal failure in a society that lauds success. Second, they are on it because they have dependents for whom they are responsible. Minimum wage work simply doesn't pay enough to support the kids they find themselves with. And, sadly, many people I deal with did not have the foresight to plan their lives during high school and actually follow-up on these plans. A woman who was in an abusive relationship for several years who was then left with no money, a husband in prison, and two children to feed had no choice but to go on welfare. Her skills are not particularly marketable and her children need food, clothes, a roof, heat, and love. They are bright children with a future if only they can get through school in a better position than their mother. Why shouldn't we invest in their future as a society? Do we remember the lessons of the past? Do we want a class-society again like we had during Jim Crow? Stop demonizing those who are on public assistance - learn about them, befriend them, mentor them and help solve the problem you love to hate.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Many of you people are totally delusional and buying into every stereotype you ever heard about black people and welfare. I'm so tired of hearing the story about "fat black people buying shrimp and lobster" with their welfare money. I've known many people on welfare throughout my life...and that steak and lobster picture that you all love to paint is FAR from being a normal thing.

        "It's not rich people's job to support the poor". That's totally laughable. Poor people are the ones who make rich people rich. You never hear people who are rich complain about the welfare system because they know that the money they pay into it is minimal. Only people who are close to being poor themselves complain about welfare.

        Welfare fact: The average worker pays about 9 cents a day in taxes for welfare benefits.

        9 cents...but people are acting like the welfare system is KILLING THEM.

        People should work...I get it. But quit whining about 9 cents a day...and quit making it into a black thing because the MAJORITY of welfare tax dollars goes towards whites (naturally, they are the majority in this country)

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        more crime, armed warfare in the street when someone's child is dying of an appendicitis and is refused treatment... hospitals, grocery stores and all manner of businesses would need armed protection all the time. To know what would happen, all you have to do is read about what happened in history when people were desperate & had no chance or hit extremely tough times with no institutional safety net. It was always scary, always dangerous, and always violent. Poor people won't just die quietly, at least not all of them.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        My husband suffers from Bi-Polar Disorder. He is medicated, but still wouldn't be able to hold down a job. He has paid into the SS program, so receives SSDI & will be at full retirement age in 7 years.

        I work, but have not been able to find sufficient full time work. I work part time, but receive full time type benefits and this is the best work that I have been able to find since 1996.

        What about us? Do we have to fear the possibility of my husband possibly losing his present income? As it is now we are barely able to make ends meet. We are careful with how our money is spent and live in a low rent, but decent apartment. Our cars are 12+ years old and paid off, we canceled cable TV 6 months ago, have minimum cell phone coverage & minimum internet service.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Without welfare? Children like my son would most certainly die. He's too medically high maintenance to attend a regular daycare. I cannot afford private insurance for him on the minimum wage jobs I can get, and even if I could afford, insurance companies don't want to take him because he has so many pre-existing conditions. On top of not being able to afford insurance, because of the massive amounts of liquid he takes in from his feeding tube and frequent IVs, he easily goes through 20-30 diapers a day. If I'm buying all the diapers, I can't afford the groceries for his oral intake, the expensive medical formula he has to be on through his feeding tube, the medications, therapists, doctors, etc. Do I like being on welfare? No. I'm stuck in between a rock and a hard place. If I go back to work, I lose his Medicaid (not on it myself). If I don't go back to work, I'm stuck on welfare and in debt and drowning fast.

        If I wasn't so worried about his health, I wouldn't be on welfare.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        There would be mass shoplifting food, mostly small towns would be overrun by the poor. No food on the shelf, it would be like the first of the month everyday!

        That would drive up the food cost to the point of 100% stealing food. MADMAX!

        Is staling food bad? NO! It's in the Bible!

        Leviticus 19:9 "'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest.

        Leviticus 19:10 Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.

        Here it is!!

        Ruth 2:2 And Ruth the Moabitess said to Naomi, "Let me go to the fields and pick up the leftover grain behind anyone in whose eyes I find favor." Naomi said to her, "Go ahead, my daughter."

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          Matt F. 2 years ago

          I would also like to point out that with our current tax code, the largest recipients of "welfare" are the BIG companies that slither their way out of paying taxes on their profits.

          When was the last time the NFL paid taxes? Oh yeah, they do not have to as they are a "non-profit" organization, but their pockets are FULL enough to pay outrageous salaries to a few people. How about some of the larger corporations that hire experts to figure out how they can NOT pay taxes, but yet, they want to fully participate in taking our EARNED dollars, which we pay the taxes on...maybe if EVERYONE was made to pay the share that they should, welfare may not be as needed as it is today in a world of outsourcing and streamlining for bigger profits. Maybe if Wall Street paid what I consider they should, things would get closer to normalizing, but that won't happen as someone like myself is nothing more than a burden on them, but it is ME who puts money into their pockets, while I sit back and wonder what money came from Wall Street back into regular worker's pockets that did not involve the bottom line growing for the large corporation. 17,000 on the DOW Jones is unacceptable when I see a ton of people scrape for a petty $1000 a month in ANY form...

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          Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

          @Pawpawwrites - it would be hard in the USA for people to make welfare a career choice at this point... at least, as far as TANF payments go. Of course, there are many more that rely on foodstamps. That's another story. On TANF the parents must attend a work program and their aid ends if they don't. Well, their aid ends after a set number of months anyhow, though they can continue on collecting for children - just not children born after the case starts. I think it all encourages parents to at least try to become employed.

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          Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

          @Fiorenza, in the USA every state has different welfare laws, so it is hard to tell what the exact impact of welfare reform has been. In general, parents are not allowed to receive aid after the first year or two, but the children are still supported. Parents must attend a work training program. Also, children born while a family is on aid will not cause the grant to be increased. It used to be that a family could have more children and each time get a bit more money. That's no longer the case in the states I'm aware of.

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          Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

          @jmsp206 - I would like to see a living wage available to single parents before the safety net is removed. Child care is a huge issue that must be addressed. After welfare reform started in California I saw children as young as 18 months wandering the streets near my home because the people hired to take care of them were lazy and inadequate. Scary... I also saved one little girl from being picked up by a pedophile while her mother was busy working.

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          Jim 2 years ago from Kansas

          I think there is a place for welfare, but it shouldn't be a career choice. I feel we might be headed in that direction again though.

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          Fiorenza 2 years ago from UK

          This is a very complex subject. I'm sure no-one would want to see the return of Victorian workhouses where families were broken up and put to pointless exhausting work such as picking oakum, but in some cases, the pendulum has swung too far. However there are still a lot of people in genuine need, who have lost their jobs in the recession etc, which is why we now have the Trussell Trust in the UK who run food banks that give 3 days' worth of emergency food to families who are given vouchers by the authorities, and of course, the Salvation Army, both bodies that help people who really need it.

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          Julia M S Pearce 2 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

          Great subject and about time things like this are brought out in the open and talked about. Ideally there should be no welfare.The gap is getting bigger.

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          Paula Atwell 2 years ago from Cleveland, OH

          @Linda Yes, I don't understand why war is better.

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          Barbara Radisavljevic 2 years ago from Templeton, CA

          It's a complex issue with no easy answers. It used to be that families and churches took care of those who simply couldn't work or whose husbands were drunkards. Those in their neighborhoods and churches knew who really needed help and what kind of help they needed. If the husband turned the family's money into drink for himself and neglected his family, kind neighbors or people from the church would see that the wife good actual food - not money the husband could drink away. They also shared clothing their own children had outgrown.

          Part of the problem is government's intrusion into every area of life. Businesses are over-regulated and have to stop hiring because they can't afford all the extra requirements. Employers are no longer able to decide who will best do the work because of laws that tell them whom they have to hire first. All the extra laws mean more insurance is required to protect businesses from lawsuits the new laws encourage.

          I believe all welfare should be administrated locally where people are seen as individuals and it's easy to check on abuse. I think welfare should exist for the truly needy and disabled, but I think government should get out of the welfare business and cut the taxes that were paying for it so that citizens would have more to give to private charities who normally administer the donations more efficiently. People can check on which charities are spending the money they get on the people who need it and which ones are lining the pocket of administrators.

          One probably is that we are no longer a nation of laws, and the immigration laws are being totally ignored, forcing US hard-working tax payers to pay the bills of illegal immigrants for medical care and food they may not be able to afford for their own children. Those same illegal immigrants are committing crimes that affect our citizens and taking jobs that Americans would do. They also overload the education system, and that hurts the education of the citizens who pay for the schools.

          I will agree that some people need the help of others to get over the humps in their lives. I just think government is the most inefficient way to give it to them. Somehow the dollars are better used by organizations like the Salvation Army.

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          Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

          Thanks for the comment, Paula, and for sharing this page. I am looking forward to seeing the results on all these polls. I've always wondered about war vs. welfare costs. Those who are strongly anti-welfare, would they rather support a war?

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          Paula Atwell 2 years ago from Cleveland, OH

          Wow, incredible and though provoking. The welfare/war discussion and poll is very enlightening.

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          aphexpusher 2 years ago

          What about people with physical and mental disabilities? What will they do? Do the anti-welfare people feel ok about declaring them as simply broken and tossing them into homelessness or suicide? If you are born with disabilities what should your parents do in that situation? They will probably die at some point before the disabled offspring dies. Maybe if you are born disabled they should just kill the baby immediately knowing there is no way the offspring will be able to support him or herself after they are gone.... That would probably be more humane in a no-welfare state.

          Like a broken gadget or toy. toss it. Objectify people into things. yeah. lets do that. Toss em into the wilderness or maybe lets gather them up and just shoot them firing squad style.

          Damn old people and the physically or mentally disabled. They can't get jobs. We better let them die. Then and only then can the healthy people afford better food and better things. Objects and tasty food is definitely worth the suffering of these broken human beings.

          Stay classy people. Enjoy your jobs. You work sooooooo hard. When you get that nice flat screen finally you can watch all those inferior human beings die on the news! :D yay!!! dead people! Sounds fun!

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          Robert Connor 2 years ago from Michigan

          I am perfectly fine with giving someone an hand up who needs help! As with any government agency there are waste of resources & abuse of the system, which makes the help less effective to those who really need assistance..

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          welfareisforscum 2 years ago

          @mia-gioia-100: But you have a low life scumbag away from the good people. It is still a win win for me. Dads that don't support there children should be killed. A 13 year old that gets welfare should be put in prison. I will gladly pay for that. Losers.

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          dimedime000 3 years ago

          The US welfare state is nothing compared to Britain that TOTALLY supports people that don't want to work...free home completely rent paid for also paid cash through a debit card every week they don't have to do a thing and the more kids the more money! Watch Benefits Britain life On The Dole, at watchseries-online.ch

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          Alison Williams 3 years ago

          I am surprised by the subject of this lens - surely they just can't take something away that was intended to help people? They went past the point of no return by intorducing welfare really. It would be inhumane and immoral to withdraw it. Surely it would mean that we would go straight back to Victorian times with poor houses and children on the street with no shoes!

          I agree that people take advantage of it and have a better life than me, who has always worked. That isn't fair. But there are more people out there who genuinely need it. To the people who think it should be stopped - it is easy to say abolish it when you are financially well off and working. But imagine if you lost that job. Imagine the anxiety and worry you would have at the idea of being homeless and begging for food because there was no support to keep you going for a bit. And the reason it was scrapped is because YOU wanted it to be!

          I also think it is clear to see from most comments who are the compassionate individuals and who are not.

          I don't care about paying into the system to support people. It is only a very small proportion of my wage anyway and I can still live off the rest. There are people out there who need it more than me so I see the benefits system as a form of charity. Should we abolish charitable organisations as well then?

          Also, paying into the benefits system is kind of like investing in your own future, should you ever fall on hard times and need to claim. Or paying back if you have already claimed in the past. I don't see why people make such a fuss about it unless people are better off on benefits than if they worked. That's not fair on us.

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          charles-r-chandler 3 years ago

          End welfare. End it now, and end it in every form. Private voluntary charity will aid those in genuine need. But enforced charity of the welfare state must end. We have no obligation or responsibility to provide welfare, especilly when it involves redistribution of income by force. I for one have no obligation or responsibility to anyone that I do not voluntarily assume.

          To those who say "But there would be riots," I say, fine. Let them riot. Dealing with that is, by definition, what riots guns are for. I figure by the time the first thousand or so in every rioting location hit the pavement bleeding out the riot would subside -- very quickly.

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          gary-hill-104855 3 years ago

          @anonymous: i see canada going down families homeless while we support and pay for refugees and caretake other countries canadians on welfare and ei and working part time to try to survive lus the bankruptcy rate lost homes jobs and self asteem due to govt decisions i wonder when the working class of canada will wake up and say no to voting in lawyers and doctors etc into govt who defend their style of life while we struggle in poverty we work 45 or more years to retire on meager wages they stay in politics five years and retire we support the taxes for foreigners for five years they get grants buy businesses can't get one as a canadian citizen ive tried sell off our water and any other resources to other countries oil to states we buy back at higher price 500000 acres of our northern oil fields to china when does it stop never unless the working class wakes up and puts one of our own class in the lead why does a lawyer give up a 200000 practice for prime minister thast supposedly pays 100000 because in 5 years he gets a pension and still works am i wrong

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          Linda Jo Martin 3 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

          @Kylyssa: Hi Kylyssa - I never refuse to post comments like these. Your information and participation in this discussion are very much appreciated. When I wrote this page (several years back) I was not a Christian and never had been one. I converted only last July, and as for this issue, I have no idea what my pastor would teach about it; the topic has never come up.

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          Kylyssa Shay 3 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

          @ourmarket: Actually, the fancy cell phones many poor and homeless people have were donated by people who upgrade to nicer ones. Most of my friends donate their old phones to charities when they get the next year's free upgrade. Unless people can convince charitable people to only use cheap cell phones, the phones they donate are going to be nice. It's not financially viable to sell the donated cell phones to buy cheap cell phones that conservatives wouldn't be upset about poor people owning. It costs more to sell a fancy cell phone someone has donated and buy a cheap-looking one than to just activate a donated cell phone and pay for minutes to it. Some charities have considered selling the donated phones to get cheap enough looking phones because some recipients experience harassment or even violence from people upset by their cell phone ownership. Unfortunately, it's just too cost prohibitive and requires the extra work and use of volunteer time to sell the phones and purchase different ones. It's also kind of silly. The thing to do is to educate people to the fact that people have no choice about what cell phone a person donates to such charities.

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          Kylyssa Shay 3 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

          I assume this comment won't get posted as it points out inaccuracies biased by political and religious beliefs. Sex education does not lead to earlier sex or to more teen pregnancies or STDs. In countries with more comprehensive sex education programs begun earlier, young adults tend to become sexually active later rather than earlier and experience fewer rather than more unwanted pregnancies. Look up information about Japan (the rate of teen pregnancies in Japan is ten percent of what it is in America, that means percentages, not overall numbers) if you have any desire to learn about very effective sexual health approaches. Science-based sex education even as taught later and less effectively in American schools still includes the information that the very best, safest thing to do is to wait to have sex. Unfortunately, many people who hate the idea of teens knowing the science-based material don't read it before making statements about it. If you wish to learn how ineffective abstinence-only education is plus learn how it increases the incidence of STDs and increases participation in practices disapproved of by your church, I recommend starting at http://www.siecus.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.Vi... and reading the associated studies. You can find the part about those unsafe practices your church would not approve of that virginity pledgers tend to practice at higher rates and earlier than teens with either no sexual health education or science-based sex education, scroll down about a third of the way down that page. Programs that teach critical thinking skills along with scientifically correct information are known to significantly reduce both teen pregnancy and STDs. Given solid, accurate information, teens make better decisions about life, including voluntary, evidence-based abstinence rather than shame-based or religion-based abstinence.

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          Kylyssa Shay 3 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

          @mia-gioia-100: Japan also has a very comprehensive sex education system that starts earlier than in the US resulting in Japanese young adults starting to have sex later (yes, later) than American teens. And when they do have sex, they have far fewer unwanted pregnancies and STDs.

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          ourmarket 3 years ago

          I see some pretty cruel answers here and feel very sad for those people with no compassion. First let me make clear that I am not on welfare before someone makes that statement. My husband and I are both retired and I work a part time job. He is a veteran and has medical thru the Veterans hospital. Myself on the other hand pay for Medicare and a supplement insurance that's why I work a part time job.

          Now that I do agree maybe a closer monitoring of welfare I have a few other thoughts. I had a friend who had to ask for help from welfare at one time ( although she was terribly embarrassed ) and now is back to work. But I think ( and remember this is only My opinion) but one mistake that Welfare makes is the counting of income into the household it was my understanding that they determine what a client might need in assistance by their gross income would it not make more sense to figure on the net which they actually have to pay their bills with I would think that would make more people willing to take the minimum wage jobs with the proper supplement income. I received a call many years ago saying they were surveying what people thought about the welfare program and I made that statement to them and I guess it didn't mean much.

          Now I don't think the ones that need this help should have the expensive cell phone there are ways to get a phone that allows so many free minutes a month free and that should be good enough for necessities like Dr appointments, etc. I also think if asking for welfare requirements of tests for drugs and alcohol should be done.

          Actually this all comes down to being fair with actual house hold income, doing tests, making surprise home visits etc. But by all means everyone should have a place to live, medical, and food.

          I wonder how many of the complainers of welfare would see a person that has a sign work for food would go to a grocery store and buy a bag or two of food and give that person. I like most people just wouldn't let anyone at my home to do work but would buy them some groceries.

          What little bit of money would it take to buy a few can goods ( buy ones with the pop off tops so no can opener needed, as maybe homeless) like soups and crackers, peanut butter, jelly and bread its just so easy and cheap to give someone a little help. Rather than cry poor me I work to feed the needy.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: I can tell that you're not only stupid, you're so stupid that you don't read books.

          If you read books, you'd know about public libraries.

          If you knew about public libraries, you'd know that they have computers! With internet service! That even the poor can use for free!

          REALLY!

          Good grief, you're a box of rocks packed with stupid.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: People on welfare pay taxes, stupid filth. They pay sales taxes, they pay indirect property to landlords, and so on.

          Since they pay into the system same as you, they get the exact same privileges of deciding what to do with their personal life that you do, stupid filth.

          Welcome to reality, stupid filth.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: You're filth.

          That is all.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: There are computers with internet at libraries, selfish filth. Poor people can use them for free, selfish filth.

          Try to keep up, selfish filth.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @informationdan: Our taxes are way too low. That's what you're too stupid to get.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: A good start to murdering selfish filth like you in your sleep.

          Because that's what poor people do, stupid.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: Nine cents a day, scum. That's all it costs you to help the poor.

          You waste more money than that every day on stuffing your ugly selfish pig face.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: The government has the same right to take it and give it to poor people that it does to take it and fund wars for oil, or pays for a surveilance state to watch your every move, or to pay for all the other things government does, stupid.

          We all pay for things we don't like, moron.

          You're such stupid, selfish and disgusting filth that you begrudge paying NINE STINKING CENTS a day for poor people not to die in the streets.

          That's what it cost you, stupid. NINE STINKING CENTS A DAY.

          You waste more money than that driving your ugly fat self to the corner, stupid.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: They're not supporting people who are lazy.

          Let me explain something of the real world to selfish filth like you:

          My son's best friend was 18 when he had to get a kidney transplant. The surgery was over a million dollars. His medications to stay alive are $50,000 or more a month, depending on what else is going on. He has to take those medications for the rest of his life.

          He must make frequent and routine visits to hematologists and nephrologists whose office visits cost over $250 per visit. He must go to them for the rest of his life.

          When he gets the flu, he can't stay home. He has to go to the hospital, and hope that he doesn't get a stay in the ICU. Being put in ICU has happened at least once every 3 years since I've known him, and I've known him 15 years since the surgery.

          He has no family to support him.

          He wants to work. He can't. He has a pre-existing condition that no employer wants to pay for. If he tried to buy insurance, the premiums would be more than he would make.

          Selfish, murderous filth like you would let him die, all because you can't stand paying a mere 9 cents a day to keep him alive.

          That's how much welfare tended to cost.

          NINE STINKING CENTS.

          And you're too cheap and selfish to pay NINE STINKING CENTS.

          You are the lowest form of filth there is.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: What jobs? They don't grow on trees, you know!

          There aren't enough good paying jobs, and in some places there aren't jobs at all!

          There are companies asking for college educations for jobs that even ten years ago didn't require such a thing to get a job.

          Businesses are sitting on trillions of dollars, a lot of it coming from YOUR tax dollars, stupid, and they're still not hiring people!

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: It's actually less than 5% who are abusing the system.

          5% isn't enough to get upset about, stupid.

          The Federal government wastes more money in paper clips every year than it does on welfare.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: Welfare is a drop in the bucket of expenditures, moron.

          Corporate welfare dwarfs it.

          The defense department department--welfare is like a speck of dust in the universe in comparison, stupid.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: I didn't know they had computers in prisons where violent filth like you are.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: Yeah. Right.

          Hey, guess what, numbskull? Archer Midland is making millions in welfare!

          Why aren't you complaining about that?

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: You don't know her circumstances, you lying filth.

          Writing a post in ten minutes on a computer IS NOT the same thing as sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours a day, stupid filth.

          Try to keep up.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: My honest opinion? Too many people like you are too selfish, greedy and willfully ignorant for your own good.

          There shouldn't be a stigma for being on the dole. Most people aren't on it that long. Many of the people on it ARE WORKING, cupcake, and it's not enough, because you want to stuff your greedy fat pig face with cheap McDonalds burgers served by people who can't afford to live, cupcake.

          You should be ashamed of yourself for being such a disgusting, selfish pig.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: So they're supposed to starve? Become prostitutes?

          Some of them are 13 years old, cupcake. How can they support themselves when they CANNOT WORK?

          None of you conservatards think through anything.

          At all.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @geosum: The churches and local communities did a terrible job at it, cupcake. That's why welfare had to come along and help.

          If you knew anything worthwhile, you wouldn't say such appallingly ignorant things.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @anonymous: Japan DOES have a welfare system, you ignorant turnip with legs.

          The defense department wastes more in a day than welfare gets in a year, stupid.

          Corporate welfare is at least 20 times what got spent on welfare at its peak, stupid.

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          mia-gioia-100 3 years ago

          @Randyc2800: And then how does he pay if he's in prison stupid? The mom is still out of money, stupid.

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          mstcourtjester 3 years ago

          Great lens, good work!

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          Randyc2800 3 years ago

          @anonymous: We are headed that way now.

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          Randyc2800 3 years ago

          The welfare baby-momma has an easy solution; give the mother a choice. Finger the baby-daddy or get no benefit. Let the state then go after the daddy. If he doesn't pay, put his useless ass in prison.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          For each and everyone who is going to vote for their next government....

          Government welfare programs created to buy the Votes of those who want someone to take care of them?

          Japan does not have a welfare system.

          Work for it or do without.

          These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

          1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

          2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

          3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

          4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

          5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, guess what would happen if the working half also stops working... that is the beginning of the end...

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          SteveKaye 4 years ago

          We have a very active movement that is taking the US to the type of society that existed in France just before the revolution.

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          geosum 4 years ago

          Taking care of the poor and oppressed has always been the responsibility of the local community and the churches. When it was taken over by the government the community backed off.

          When the government runs out of money and there will be riots and turmoil. We see our department of homeland security buying up all the guns, ammo and armored vehicles they can find to protect the government from the people. Not a pretty picture.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          elderly and the sick yes not teen girls that get pregnant

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Those children will grow up to be lazy maggots like mommy. They will NEVER contribute anything to society. If you can't support your children abort them or give them up for adoption, so they can have a shot at getting a good example from hardworking parents.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: i agree totally i know of a person that i VERY capiable to work but is to dependant to welfare system and has made comments as to if a child needs braces that welfare will pay for it! this is aggrevating when this person is able to work and here i am as a tax payor now ill be responible for their child/children as well as mine. it is also aggrevatiing that since i am working and i can't afford health insurance ill be fined next tax season yet i pay for health benefits for people on assistance and ARE capable to work. welfare system really needs to be rewritten and investigators actually visit home UNANNOUNCED and be able to talk with child/children as to who lives in home. especially if a women says she if just "friends" with a guy and pays room and board to stay there with their child/children. i bet 99% of these situations that is not the situation, they system is being frauded because most likely they are boyfriend and girlfriend!!!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: As the Chinese might say, Yuk Fu. I would like to see more and more businesses start refusing welfare as a valid form of payment. If businesses can refuse certain credit card providers (some places do not take Amex or Discover), then they can put an unequivocal kibosh on MassaCard and chicken-n-waffle stamps too!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: "Our society has trained many people to line up with hands out and wait for others to do it for them"

          Gas 'em in Treblinka and decrease the surplus population!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: "Domestic violence"?

          Ever heard the old adage, a woman is like an old car, sometimes you gotta kick her to get her in gear? Hahaha

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Do more than that: mandatory pregnancy testing for anyone collecting mooch coupons. Once the little plus sign comes up, you're out on the street. 'Nuff said.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: There are 7 billion+ on this planet. We can afford to lose more than a few. How about don't have kids, period, and let social Darwinism take its course. The unfit will render themselves extinct -- survival of the fittest. Problem solved.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: "do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"?

          Hm, isn't the next half of that quote something about the blind leading the blind? ;-)

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          davidsmith4 4 years ago

          thanks for info, good lens

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: In fact people without kids can in fact and do! My mother in law, who is single and with no dependent children, is on welfare much to our dismay. Be a fact she is so proud of the fact that she is on welfare that she tried selling us on it and wanted us to try to get food stamps too. No thank you. We have tried to get her to understand that she in fact can work. There are plenty of things she can do. Now know this, you the taxpayer are supporting a woman who claims she can't work but mows 2 acres, hangs drywall, fixes pipes, moves boxes around, paints, and changes her own brakes.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: granted, but giving something is a far cry from having something taken.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: My husband has severe ADD and holds down a job. Sorry but the fact you can sit at a computer and type means you can do data entry which is a viable job skill.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          My honest opinion is we as a society have lost the notion of personal responsibility and in doing so have no clue as to how to prioritize our needs. There is no longer a stigma of being on the dole. Back in the day, you were embarrassed if you were on welfare and now it is triumphant! Someone please explain to me how one cannot buy his or her own food, necessary for life, but can somehow afford an iphone? Which unfortunately they also think is necessary for life. :/ I am a teacher and the subject of income was brought up. Seeing a teachable moment, we discussed budgets (it was math and what better common core topic is there?) when food came up, several students said "that's what food stamps are for" As if the idea that one would actually pay for their own food was unheard of! I think it is time to end the safety net. I think it is time that we take charge of our own lives. As for SSI, there are just too many people who say they can't work but somehow clean their house, move boxes, garden, drive, cook, sit at a computer... all things that are employable skills. nuff said.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Why does ablebodied automatically mean you can hold down a job? I have adult ADD and its bad enough to be classified as a disability. Even on medications I am very socially awkward, reclusive, and I cannot do 2 things at once or focus when too much is going on around me. Organization is nonexistent and I have jad 30+ jobs in 5 years. My husband made good money in 2007-2010 and then he lost his job. He is working at McDonalds now and we can't cover our bills and lost his Gap coverage for our 3 children. Our savings was obliterated 6 months after his job loss and we are on the Dolw until we can find something better. But ADD can be as crippling as any other disability. I can't pick up on social cues (when someone is annoyed or when its timw to leave a friends house because I have overstayed my visit etc), I have really bad anxiety and stutter when speaking to new people I sometimes blush bright red and sunsequently break down in tears from embarrassment. I don't know what not to say and at times my mind races ahead of my reason and I blurt out things I shouldn't have said. Im very easily distracted and have found cashier jobs to be a very bad mix when counting back change. ADD/ADHD make things most people don't even think about very complicated for me. Driving is difficult and I can't have a radio on, laundry, dishes, and other chores get half done most of the time, and if I have appointments if they arent on an alarm clock alert I don't make them. Ive learned to cope with a few aspects of my disorder but tell me that an employer will accommodate my special needs or that Im not the first to be letgo when I miss details, forget what was asked of me, or unintentionally offend someone. Being able to physically do a job is irrelevant if you cannot mentally be there too.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I don't think the issue should be welfare, per se. Emphasis should be placed on stabilization of population growth and on personal responsibility. U.S. births have exceeded U.S. deaths every year since 1946, and the effects are cumulative. Stopping at two or fewer children would result in a gentle reduction of population growth. If a woman (or a couple) has one or two young children and needs assistance, she should get it. BUT even people who "can afford" more children should not get tax deductions or credits if they have more than two, and certain welfare benefits should be capped at two.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: I am unable to have children, but could actually afford to do so. I would have been happy to adopt your son and could provide him with every luxury he could ever have in life. Instead he will live with you in your welfare home and learn that he is entitled to a welfare check every month. Congratulations.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: madodge... That is not depression, it 's a depressing situation and causes you sadness and grief. There is a huge difference in sad and chronic major depression. I was a caretaker for my grandmother right down to changing her briefs. She was suffering with alzheimers as well and could no longer feed herself due to a stroke caused by a brain anurysm. I know it can be hard on family members to see their once capable family member not be able to function and not even be the same person. If indeed you were diagnosed as depressed it was situational and NOT chronic major depression. I deal with clients with all kinds of mental illness and right now i am on crisis watch. The medication you speak of is not an all better magic pill. They only aleviate symptoms. Some days are great but more days their lives are a struggle and even despair. You should not speak of what you do not know. And from all your post I see a lot of Anger issues. You attack anyone that has fallen on hard times and people with disabilities. I will never understand such bitterness that comes from you. But I can reffer you to anger management in your area.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: cathy i agree. Funny how so many are against abortion. (not my favorite solution either) but the same people would let a baby starve. Makes me wonder about humanity today.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Mare... let me get this straight.. your post says that you were married for 20 years and you paid in 40,000 a year in taxes? You had to have made about 350,000 a year. That's more than enough to have had savings after even paying taxes. I have a hard time believing someone with that income didn't have a nice size savings in case of emergency. If your savings was depleted and you could not get work after your divorce then in any state you would have qualified for food stamps at minimum. Even without children you could have. Its not anyones fault that you did not go through the long process of waiting for assistance. After all as you pointed out you paid so much in taxes you should have gone through the process.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: The working class does get help. For one even the working poor are working class. If you are married and have 3 children earning up to 49,078 you qualify for a credit called eic. Two children and up to 46,044 qualifies you. 41,132 qualifies you. 13,660 no children qualifies you. Then there is the child tax credit which you don't start getting phased out until you make 110,000. then there are home ownership credits. School tuition credits. Child care credits. A whole lot of credits. If you are middle class and barely making it You have to be making wrong choices somewheres. I for one am middle class and live comfortably. I take vacations. Own my home, have a nice car and do not skimp on nutrtition. I dress well too. I know people in the same field as me earning the same and live in homes that are over budget. Paying 40% or more on their mortages. My friends have tried to talk me into getting a home by them. I refused due to my mortage is about half of what they are averaging in their areas. I don't live in some run down home or run down area. I also don't require an elite neighborhood. I love my neighbors here. Also so many want an automobile way beyond their means. Which brings ins up, note is higher, and those suvs suck up gas. Also so many people think once they get that line of credit it's a spending spree and get in over their heads. Then people like you cry foul when someone got some of your pennies of taxes to make sure people don't starve or do without necessary housing and health care. You say you are middle class but your lack of maturity, compassion and your stereotyping of others shows socialy you are of a lower class. Money isn't the only thing that defines class.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Did you read teri worked for 33 years that means that teri paid into social security through tax credits and is now severely disabled. Teri is simply getting what was taken from her pay. She paid in too and does deserve to have internet. You should have more compassion and thank god its not you!

          Teri You earned with all the taxes you paid in. It is a shame when people beat down those that suffer. Don't let anyone here make you feel bad.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Also I sure hope anybody boasting about giving to charity isn't christian because the bible says "do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

          The bible also says "if someone has material goods and sees someone who doesn't and does not take pitty on him... how can he have the love of God in him?

          Also Remember Jesus said "those of you which do for the least of these brothers does for me"

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Here is the thing i don't have time to respond to each comment i see but... I see so many of you saying that they shouldn't have children they can't afford. Do you have children? If you do are you sure 100% that your life will never take a turn for the worse? Oh even if you have a savings that goes very fast when there isn't income coming in. There are so many people on assistance that did pay in for many years before needing help. There are countless numbers of people spending countless hours looking for work. Going to interviews and job hunting has become a full time job for many. Families that had once 100k plus jobs are now needing help. People like to think that anyone who gets assistance were never productive members of society which is a myth. There are reforms in place you do have to look for work unles considered disabled. Also many states have 18 month cash benefit limits. Nobody can live off of it. Even if someone with children manages to grab that minimum wage job which is even hard to come by now. They still can't put food on the table they have to have that help.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Here are more points for you to think about... Banks also benefit from these ebt cards. The money isn't floating around in some invisable box. Ebt benefits are deposited into a bank agreed apon by that states govt. some states go with jp morgan chase. When cash is withdrawn on cash benefits fees can be charged. any money in those accounts (including snap) can earn the bank interest though not much but it adds up. so now grocery stores (making masive amounts) and banks such as jp morgan chase are cashing in as well.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: karma all i have to say is thumbs up!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Another point.. It sounds like a good idea on the surface to drug test recipients because working people can be drug tested. At first I thought that sounds fair but we have to still feed children which are not at fault. So i thought maybe mandatory drug classes. And the benefits would go to an aproved payee to manage until said drug adict was drug free for a period of 6 months completing graduation of drug treatment. Ok sounded good then... i found out that a county in florida tried drug testing and about 100 of the over 5000 came up positive. And they said the drug testing cost them more than it saved them. Now im not in favor of it in the least.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I think its disgusting that so many human beings have no compassion. As it stands corprate welfare for billionares is nearly double of all social welfare. But the least fortunate get targeted. There aren't any welfare queens, its a media myth boasted by conservatives for political gain. They pick out a few cheats and make examples of them. In ms a mother of 2 will get 170 in cash. But people argue if she moves to ny or california she will get more... um and the cost of living is triple or better. I think its more of a diservice to give my hard earned dollars to multi billion corporations.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: don't let them work you up. You have fallen on hard times and you deserve help. Every time you spend 1.00 dollar in food stamps it brings the economy 1.84. as I stated in my previous post fs is the largest stimulis there is. Also I do not like these cart nazis checking to see who is buying what in line and how they are paying for it. I guess they have nothing better to do in life. I am too busy with my own life to wory how and what other people buy. I can guarantee you if my 25 year career went downhill and i needed help i would get MY Food stamps and would buy what i wanted. If someone wanted to cart nazi me i would smile and tell them yep i sure did just buy me a steak! yep that ice cream too! its a stereo type that anyone who gets help has never been productive. I know an engineer who could not believe he had to ask for help. He paid in for over 30 years. So if he bought steak on his fs then good for him.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Excellent point! Here is more to look at. The article states that a teen girl can get medicare to pay for her abortion. Absolutely false! For one medicare is for retired people on social security. The other way to get it is to have become disabled and qualify for ssdi (not to be mistaken for ssi) which in order to qualify you have to have EARNED the work credits. You also have to prove you are disabled for at least a year or your condition will end in death. Do not think it is easy to get. A man I knew had a dibilitating disorder which left him bedridden and his wife had to fight for years for her husband that worked for over 40 years. He finally got approved and a few months later died. Also not all people on food stamps,wic, and free lunch are unemployed most are the working poor that without the help would be left to very little food if any after paying bills. Here is another fact none of you think about... if we take away fs it affects us all. How? you may ask. Ok stores do not take ebt out of the kindness of their hearts... its about proffits and huge ones at that. So if it stops prices go drastically up due to less demand. More stores have to close doors because there isn't enough customer base. Oops there goes so many jobs. Economist have said over and over again that food stamps is the biggest economic stimulis there is. So if you want to at least double what you pay for groceries go ahead. Because most on here could care less if people starve. another fact is you have to make 50 k a year to even pay 10 cents a day for all nutritional programs combined and that's about what i pay. More dependents and you pay less. Ok on to the next topic. I saw so many of you attack the poster with schizophrenia. Yes she wrote well still doesn't mean she is capable of holding down a job. Very intelligent people have fallen prey to mental illness. Someone with mental illness can look and seem just fine then they relapse and the illness worsens. I work with the mentally ill i see it first hand. And depression can be debilitating. Because my grandma is sick is not depression its sadness and grief. There is a huge difference in sad and actual depression. Some here are under the impression that the meds that the mentally ill get are somehow a magic all better pill. Not the case at all they only aleviate symptoms. Sometimes a person has these awesome i can take on the world days and then they have those days that are so horrible they can't get out of bed maybe even for days. I see the suffering first hand. So many want to work then those relapses hit and thier world falls apart. also the meds most of them are on cause side affects. Risperdol a popular mood stabelizer/anti psychotic causes many to have anxiety along with their disorder and if they already have anxiety it is compounded. Abilify another popular mood stablizer/anti psychotic has quite a few side affects as well as muscle weakness and permanent tremmors. So many people have a stereo type of what mental illness is but until you open your heart mind and eyes to those affected you will never know. Praise god you do not have this chemical inbalance and do not have to walk in their shoes. Now anyone can have a mental breakdown due to a tragic life change and can spiral into what is called situational depression, which has a better out look than chronic major depression. And bipolar isn't she is happy and sad sometimes... bipolar is two extremes (two poles) the mania can cause the person to have so much energy that they wont sleep for days possibly and could result in psychosis due to lack of sleep. They can have mixed episodes. Then it can turn around and they can fall into major depression. Usually becoming suicidal. Most people seem to think the suicidal person is attention seeking. Not true. most are living such nightmares due to delusions (they believe its real) that they think its the only escape. Now on to cash welfare. A mother with 2 children in the state of Ms. Will get 170 a month. Not exactly a queens life... how can any of you say she is making more than you? If so none of YOUR Tax dollars helped her anyway. Another topic and im done. If we cut off housing then all those section 8 land lords will lose their money too and may not be able to rent at fair market value. He/she may be forced financially to sell those properties or if he was counting on those payments to make the note he may wind up in forecloser. Its highly likely that this landlord counted on those funds as part of his income. But with all that said and done i am happy to chip in so others may survive. As jesus said those of you who do for the least of these brothers does for me.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: I agree with you, the internet is a luxury. There are many medications for depression, I have had it my whole life and have always had a job. I even drove a garbage truck to support my kids when I got divorced. Many people do what they have to do, in my case I carried more than one job most of my life. I did not rely on the system to support the kids that I chose to have. I couldn't afford kids either, but I got a job and then paid for my own college to better myself. If you choose to better yourself and situation, you can. Depression is more common than most people even know. Many depressed people work and succeed. There is free or subsidized daycare or maybe a family member can babysit.

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          Marti Lawrence 4 years ago from Grain Valley, Missouri

          I think there should be some kind middle ground, where the truly desperate could get assistance for a brief period of time, but people didn't live their entire life on welfare.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Why should i have to pay for someone who refuses not too? I work hard for my money while they are dinking off at home not doing anything. you chose to be on welfare when you clearly could get off. i want to scream when my hard earned money is used for people who think they deserve it for their existence. yes there are a small percentage of people who could possibly need it. if you have two hands and two legs. use them work and budget your money. america is america because we are all equal and can achieve the american dream. all those who do not progress in this life because they chose to waste their time will have to answer to god. progression is completely damned by giving some one a hand out.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Good comment. I can't believe what vitriol and bigotry there is towards the poor. Welfare is security. It benefits the whole of society and it's cheaper than building and maintain more prisons.

          Thankfully in Australia we have a "reasonable" welfare system which enables people with some self sufficiency where children aren't collateral damage of poverty. We like to look after the disadvantaged rather than shit on them.

          Anyone can end up on welfare. It takes one loss of job, one acquired disability and you are screwed. Every married woman is a day away from becoming a single mother. All it takes is an affair, death or domestic violence to set the wheels in motion.

          A "civilised" society is inclusive of all, not just the privileged.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          i know for a check fact that chestewr bray alone is makuing 20,000.00 a month on welfare medicaid, why?....

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          This is the biggest, most disgusting, delusional far right-wing regressive piece of shit I've looked at in a long time. The author should get a real job instead of propagandising for capitalist parasites in a grossly unfair, stacked and rigged capitalist sysyem. I hope you get the pointy end of the capitalist stick like most people author; you deserve to suffer for peddling this insane nonsense that hurts so many. If welfare ends, next time I am, or another working class person, is in between jobs, I'll be waiting for your bourgeois parasite arse in a car park after work; make sure you've been to the ATM, you leech.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Our cost for government would shrink by so much that our level of state and federal income tax rate would have to drop and so the money left in the pockets of hardworking responsible folks could be spent on lifting this economy out of the hole of the welfare system. The only way to shrink government and it's cost is for each individual to accept more personal responsibility, first for their own benefit then for the charity work of others in need. Charity was never a function of government, because government has no way to generate a revenue all on it's own performance or hard work. Charity and humanity begin at home. No changing what worked in the past. When government decides whom is worthy of charity, there will be problems. Allowing our government redistribution is very much like playing Robin Hood. It is government thieving. Charity and humanity are trusting in the lord, not government. Folks who would measure up to the task of charity have been and are doing so, and will continue to do so.

          As in the days of old, sometimes we need the kick in the butt to start producing and use every method to feed and clothe ourselves. We do not and cannot inherit entitlements, it was never to be that way. We can pass on the incredible debt of redistribution, and our children and grandkids will inherit that.

          Wake up and get to work! That is the answer I support.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: If you are on SSI your parents can leave you money in their will to be deposited in a special needs trust. Then you have that money and the SSI. And it can only be spent on luxury items such as TVs and cars.while spending your check on food and shelter. I have such a trust. I am not committing fraud, it's very legal. People want to kill me over it. They think I should live without luxuries if I can't work for them. Now, I don't happen to be one of those on SSI you would get jealous and suspicious of. I have had people come up to me offering to buy me food or other assistance because I look very very poor.. I look homeless. I should probably ditch the looking homeless thing especially since I have this trust fund.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: There are a lot of people with real disabilities that just tell people it's depression instead of schizophrenia because people run from you screaming if you tell them you have schizophrenia. It's embarrassing to explain you have a sub par iq along with a huge list of learning disabilities. Who wants to tell people you are dumb or crazy? Of course you are depressed too..that is usually a side effect of being disabled.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Okay so lets say you reduce the number of children being born massively in this way... you now have created a new problem since less people will be able to support a larger number of aging people (you and me included). This means either eventually cutting off aid to the elderly or massively increasing taxes or some combination of the two. Further it strains the health system to over load again because of less contributors to the system. This incidentally remains the same even if you assume that most people will stay on welfare for life and that most of their children would do so too, something which the statistics do not in fact bare out.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: But hang on, you can't have it both ways - if everyone is able to improve themselves and get out of poverty by just applying themselves and not being lazy then surely many of these children that you would allow to starve to death would in fact not go on welfare.

          Now since your reasoning is clearly faulty it is obvious that you shouldn't be allowed to breed since your descendants will clearly inherit your faulty reasoning abilities and make humanity as a whole stupider thereby reducing our chances of survival into the future. Or is it only okay to apply your eugenics theories to the unemployed?

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Given the reductions in poverty made when welfare was introduced (incidentally that was in a period of higher employment that reduced trade barriers and protectionism has made unlikely to return) it is fair to say that we'd be looking at a doubling of the poverty rate at the very least.

          The knock on effects of this would be enormous - massively increased crime rates and disease for one but other, less obvious things also would emerge. One big effect long term would be a reduction in the number of people able to get the sort of education and early childhood that might enable them to go on and become highly successful and thereby create a whole slew of additional jobs. If that occurs then less people will be employed than would otherwise be the case and, due again to the lack of a safety net, this would mean that this factor creates its' own biofeedback until a considerably worse equilibrium is reached at some point.

          Apart from a reduction of employment opportunities we'd also see another effect over time; a lessening of everyone's salaries and a worsening of working conditions save for those of the ultra wealthy since the threat of being reduced to poverty and homelessness would be ever present and would allow employers to gain far more power over employees.

          In short without welfare we'd all be worse off.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          You can't just stop welfare or any program that people depend on suddenly. Our society has trained many people to line up with hands out and wait for others to do it for them. We have a mixed bag of folks, some down on their luck, but many, so many are using the system. Not all people are lazy but some are misled by the ease of getting something for nothing. If every person that understands what I'm saying would help another person the world would be a better place. If someone does not want help themselves and they wish to starve only themselves to death we cannot stop them. We can help the ones that want to change!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I live in Canada and its the exsct same. These people are simpy lazy and breed the same type of lazy scum. Watch the movie Previous. Its id absolutely pathetic. They eat better, dress better, have things that hard working honest people can't afford. The need to get off welfare. The government should stand up snd really only give it to people who really need it. My mom was a widow with 5 kids She worked hard to provide for us - i never saw her. She was a decent and respectable human being. Yet to think she worked hard to support these selfish people. YES take it away and only give it to those who need it!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: it takes two to tango so the saying goes so "he didn't impregnate her" alone. She had to engage. Both should have been using contraception. if his name is on the birth certificate and he is stated to be the father, he can be reported and the child support is garnished from his wages; if you create life you have to support that life.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: I get angry too when I hear welfare recipients say "I only get" bla bla bla. I would like my regular paycheck plus the "I only get" amount for doing nothing. They are ungrateful and unappreciative.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @RandyK54: I agree RandyK

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: discontinuing internet service would put money in your pocket. You write very well. but somehow have this feeling that despite your mental health issues, you could work. There is medication for depression, bi polar and more.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: We have to find solutions to life's blows. If your rent is that high its time for a different residence. I am unemployed with a MA degree. I obtained roommates.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @Sonaprint: A high school education is certainly needed, however, I have a MA and am not finding a job so we don't have to pay welfare recipients to get their BA which we currently do. The recipient still won't get a job. Its better to learn a trade in my opinion.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: It should not take 5 years to get on your feet. Sell your house, your computer, discontnue to things that are not needed and more.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @letsthink lm: The solutions are easy really....end welfare for all able bodied individuals. You are right however that we have multiple problems in our country bailouts being one of them. We need to attack collectively each problem. We should be venting here and writing to our politicians about these serious issues. The solution to welfare is easy. It just ends. I was unemployment and my benefits ran out after 1 year. I didn't cry unconstitutional. Just have the welfare benefits end for all able-bodied recipients.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: If you can't afford them (children), don't have them. This requires taking stock of you monthly/yearly income, your monthly/yearly spending and if you have enough left over to support a child go for it. If not use the rhythem method, condoms and a 3rd form of birth control. They rhythem method costs nothing!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @terri-jacobs: Hey I am middle class pay taxes and can't always make my ends meet so I give something up. What does your internet connection cost you per month? Use that money for the food you claim you need.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: When you were working you and your fiancee' should have been saving your money, as they call it, for a rainy day. It is said all of us should have at least 3 months of savings to be able to care for ourselves in the event of an emergency. Based on the information you provided you didn't save. Pregnancy is always a risk, I know that, you know that. You should have been using not only the rhythem method but also a reliable form of birth control, in essence two types of birth control were in order; maybe even three. Did you finanancee ever hear of a condom. If you really don't want to get pregnant there are several methods that can be employed. If you would have planned your life with your fiancée you would have not become pregnant and you could have continued to work when he got laid off. Now that he is laid off he can collect unemployment. With you working and his unemployment you could have made it but you didn't protect yourself and its not my fault As a taxpayer I shouldn't have to pay for you to sit home with your baby sick or otherwise.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: I agree, depression should not be a qualifcation for ssi or any form of assistance. In this modern age, depression can be treated. My mother has Alzheimer's and like other caretakers, I get depressed. I still go to work. Get over it.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Yes, welfare recipients are full of excuses!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: You are receiving welfare and now you ask for something more: a "stepping stone." Can you do anything on your own people? What money does the working class get from government? None. What stepping stone does the working class American receive? You want your welfare, and now you want a stepping stone. When will you learn to take care of yourself.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @poutine: I have been around welfare recipients my whole life and I am sure that some people really need it like I did , but did not get it I made too much and no kids. If it wasn't for friends , I would be living in the streets. Was married for 20 years, we paid about 40.000 a year in taxes but when I needed it , no help after working for 29 years no stop . T his was a slop in my face. as I said earlier, I have worked with welfare recipients my whole life and i really don't want to put all of them in the same but I have to admit that they live a lot better than I do and no worry about medicals bills, it is paid 100 percent, They call off when we give them too many hours because they don't want to lose their benefits and laugh at me when I tell them how much money we have too pay in medicals bills etc sorry to tell you that must most of them do not want to work

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          a lot of you live in a very blind world thry will work harder to get jobs less father less kinds etc i work at a one stop career center here in jersey and ive been hearing about the 5 yr thing they are doing and last week they told this guy he can't have welfare benefits anymore because he was on it for 5 years now and he beat up 5 employees that worked there and no one could stop him he ran once the cops showed up sat down in my one stop building right next door and waited for them to arrest him.you want to know what is gunna happen when welfare is gone . crime rate goes up more drug addicts more drug dealers more prostitutes more robberies more killings and more deaths since they passed the 5 yr thing here in jersey robberies in Cumberland county alone has multiplied by 65% you want to do something to help America grow, deport all these illegals and watch the jobs open up.stop denying a man a job because he broke the law 7+ years ago. stop telling babymoms that aslong as she has kids she doesn't have to work.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          welfare must end.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: I have news for you my dear LIFE IS NOT FAIR.... So take your sorry ass to a cliff and jump off...You welfare recipients have more excuses than a raindrops from a storm.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          You know and I know that if Welfare ended the government would just find another name to give it, and it would start all over again under the new name. I agree, I think welfare should and will be stopped. Now that the country is in such financial stress, and I might add the tax paying (working class) people are really getting tired of supporting lazy asses that don't want to work. And what I think is the most disturbing is if you talk to these welfare recipients they actually think we owe them this benefit. The only way these people are going to get motivated is for welfare to stop. But again the government will just give it a different name,,,,it's a multi-billion dollar industry.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Wow you assume too much. There are areas where there are no churches and there are neighborhoods that isolate themselves and actively eliminate their neighbors that fall on hard times. You assume that everyone can think of something creative... what about the severely disabled or those with out business sense.

          As far as business- Just because you have a good product/ idea/ service does not mean it will ever take off. I have helped many businesses with their media goals...some make it some don't. Some that do deserve to make it don't have the right circumstances and others do. Then there are Larger businesses and they compete very dirty.. Six flags, Walmart, and Microsoft bought out, and put a lot of smaller businesses out of commission.

          What makes you think The big government put their stamp in curriculum? State/local governments and edu boards say what goes into the books. ..and they are most often appointed/ elected business / practice owners. .. rarely people with education backgrounds. Right now our own high stakes tests for kids will make it so that states will have to buy more in testing workbooks to learn the language of the new tests. not to learn anything new. That is a bias built into our tests. We should be buying test making software that can use info directly from the many different books our country uses. ..not standards that were pulled out of some test makers marketing plan. We have unified tests but not unified levels of good curriculum. Businesses that help edu boards afford the curriculum/ edu materials like microsoft/ apple get to further their product recognition through schools.

          Welfare is mostly taken advantage of by their vendors. Ever notice that grocery stores go up on prices at the beginning of the month when stamps are handed out. Many stores don't restock all the wic items. Poor folks can't travel here and there and the stamps have to be used if they are listed all on one print out. Stores steal by filling in the stamp as uysed. Poor families get less. Managers get to know their stamp users and offer them money for the stamps or cards. Inexchange the family gets to buy even less food but have a choice of buying food that can last longer than the already small amounts of gov approved expensive brands. ..that are not cheaper than the healthy foods found in the produce aisles. Your money is being devalued just like Mexico and in EU.. that only benefits the banks to keep you in debt longer...and after awhile you and your kids will do anything to survive..

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          What right has the government to use the coercive powers of the State to take money away from hard-working individuals in order to give it to others? Welfare states may be created with the best of intentions, but the result has always been far from that. It is just one step shy of Communism and the essence is the same. Punishing hard work while rewarding sloth.

          Welfare states have created an entire generation of people who grew up watching their parents live on the dole, in turn becoming dysfunctional individuals themselves who live believing they have a right to the pockets of hardworking members of their society. They become parasites who breed and nurture the next generations of societal parasites.

          Welfare State also infringe upon the traditional order of the building blocks of society, the family unit. When the state continues to take over many of the roles traditionally left to families, from taking care of ill family members, providing temporary relief to an unemployed relative, taking care of grandchildren, etc, etc, you get increasing number of individuals in society who have lost touch with their roots. No longer do people turn to family for help in times of need. They turn to the government. And so the government becomes the parents, the teacher and provider. While the fabric of society breaks down as the intricate relationships that used to exist between its members have been superseded by the all-powerful State. In the end, this welfare state is merely a stepping stone to a totalitarian dictatorship. Certainly a socialist utopia, but a nightmare to any freedom-loving individual.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I have been in education on the high school level. Not all but at least 50% of the kids in high school are there to socialize. I do not think cell phones should be on when students are in class. I as a teacher never answered my cell phone when working. Free education. You get more from education when you have to go into the pocket to pay. We are putting $$$ in the wrong places we need vocational schools to teach trades. All the foreigners are the workers who are plumbers, shoe repairs, and electrician. The American kids think it is below them to learn a trade. I was a Registered Nurse. I never got $85 per hour as a plumber.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          i think welfare needs to end once and for all get your lazy ass up

          and get a job. stop sucking up our hard earned money

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          What if there WERE no welfare would be a good start

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          With more and more technology doing peoples jobs very soon we will all be looking for some sort of help from the state.

          Sooo think carefully about your job and future before wishing there was no more welare.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Ella90,

          People without babies/kids cannot get welfare. There are people that have made a career out of the system. I do not want to keep paying for these types that sleep with their legs open. You do not teach these people about family planning. They just jump in the sack go at it, no form of birth control, they don't care because if they get pregnat OH WELL they know they don't have to get their lazy no good azzes out of bed to support them, just be sure they are at the mailbox the first of everymonth. They do not care where the money comes from as with the PHUCKING free medical I pay for and do not have myself...they never give it a second thought. What they do is figure on how much more money they will get every month for having another one. For the people that have worked and HAD to pay into this crappy system when they need help they can go to hell.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @Strawberryangel: I keep hearing a lot of "they" I have always been a middle class tax paying self sufficient person until 2 months ago I had to apply for welfare because I have a daughter and no real family support system. Thankfully I just got a job so I don't need it anymore. I used to have a lot of prejudice before I had to ask for help. It's a very humbling experience. There were people who were very kind to me these past few months and many who treated me like dirt. I have a 3 year old and her father refuses to help consistently. However I am reading many many ignorant facts about welfare. Here is how it works: You can only collect welfare for up to 24 months in California. You sign up they do a complete criminal and financial background check. If you have any assets you must sell them. Generally if you are a chronic drug user you will have a criminal background. Some people slip through though. The next step is that you have to sign over your child support account so they can recover the monies paid to you. So in my situation and many others this money is paid back even if child support is paid inconstantly you the government always intercepts the deadbeat dads tax return to recover the money paid. Okay so next step and in my case with 2-3 days they sign you up for a job search class which is 32 hours per week. So after that if you don't have a job then you have to take an assessment test to figure out why your skill set is not getting you employment. In my job search class there were several General Contractors and Home Improvement related careers , Phlebotomists and Medical Assistants. I had a very good career in the Home Improvement sales and design industry which bottomed out in 2008 when people stopped building and the foreclosures started. Okay so by the third day of the class I got a job and I actually learned quite a bit. You are not allowed to just sit around and get a check. Also they give you like 400 a month. My rent is more than twice that so most people I met in the class were former middle class people that were stressed about becoming homeless. You know I think God gave me this experience for a reason. I believe we come into this life and the goal is to become evolved, compassionate and for our heart to grow. Sure some people abuse the system but It's not our job to police everyone. If my tax dollars go to help a lazy person which in turn helps their innocent child then that is what it is. That child is getting food and shelter they can't help who they are born to. Also if welfare ended you will not get your taxes back it will go to something else most likely foster care and the prison system. You will turn on the news and daily hear about Children dying of starvation. Empathy is a powerful emotion. What if you lost your job and your line of work became obsolete - what if your spouse left you and your children to fend for yourself- what if McDonald's wouldn't hire you because you were overqualified. What if you couldn't move in with your parents because they were dead and you had no support system. Why doesn't society get mad at all of the men who desert their families because it's too much responsibility. Most people on welfare are single mothers who don't get child support because the other parent simply doesn't feel like it. When you have small children where I live it's 265 a week for daycare. If you take a 10 dollar an hour job then clearly you do the math it doesn't pan out. You have to become almost homeless before you can get discounted childcare which is how many women end up on welfare. Public school is a form of welfare. If public school started with preschool at age 2 that would solve a lot of these problems.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          OMG!! If I read one just one more negative comment about people on welfare, I really will scream. I'm on public assistance, yeah I said it so what. Despite the belief that everyone who receives assistance is lazy , or uneducated, or having baby after baby I'll just say this, dont generalize everyone in the same category, because it's not fair. I'm a single mother with three children. I have worked in the past but I have also gotten benefits when I was between jobs. I can tell you this, first of all the benefits are not all that. Minimum wage jobs actually pay more that what a family of 3 recieves every 15 days. And it is 15 days( here in PA) On a job if it's month that has 5 weeks instead of 4 like this June and you work you may actually earn 3 pay checks . Not so with welfare. I dont know why people assume that you live high on the hog when you are getting food stamps or a check. I'd like to know how 316.00 a month equals fancy living when you have utilities to pay, not to mention household goods which cannot be bought with food stamps. And yeah, when I get my food stamps, if I choose to buy shrimp, how is that your business? is it that you get food stamps you are not entitled to buy steak, only hot dogs? Now I will admit there are some people who abuse the system and thats sad. Everyone isnt like that. I'm well educated, I'm not a drop- out. But my sons father refuses to do his part. Why should my child go hungry? When I was working I paid taxes too, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Since I worked ,and paid taxes into this economy why is it wrong to get help when I need it , after all my tax dollars went into it , right? I have alot of skills with computer but I'm having a hard time finding the type of job I went to school for. Since I'm on welfare , i have to attend a 30- hour a week program to help with job search, no problem. BUT, I need to go back to school to get the type of job that will support me and my family. It's just unfortunate that these programs weren't designed for that, they are designed to get you ANY job, where you may make minmum wage and still be unable to really support yourself. I believe many recipients have skills but need training to get the jobs that pay well enough to become self sufficient. I'd like to see more emphasis on training programs for those of us who do want to work. If the government wants to get people off welfare then then need to provide the training that will help get good paying jobs. I can see that as a stipulation to recieving benefits, where you may have to attend a job training program, in order to get cash assistance. Even offer some type of tax credit to those companies that are willing to provide on the job training or an internship once you have completed the training. Then if you refuse to attend , you may get cut off. I agree that everyone may not take advantage of that, and if so then yes cut them off because they just dont want to do better. Let's face it everyone who is on welfare is not the same and it's not fair to take away benefits from those that need them without providing them with a stepping stone to becoming independent. Thats what education does.

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          ChloeHibb 5 years ago

          Similar questions arise in the UK- government benefits leave some people actually better off then if they worked on minimum wage. It is a problem, and one which will not be easily solved, particularly when people know exactly hwo to work the system.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          I believe that if you want to collect welfare then you should have to do a DRUG test and a complete backround test. There will always be people who screw up every system we have. Just take a look at disability for example. I know morons who collect because they feel a little depressed. But then again there will always be people who really do deserve it tho like someone who has one heart attack after another. Or the woman who fell in love with some loser who promised the world, got her pregnant and left her to defend for herself. Maybe we need to start teaching men to be men or just start teaching people how to be independent. Thats our biggest problem. I don't think taking away welfare will solve anything. I believe it will make things worse and we just need to EDUCATE people better and just be more strict of who can get and who can't.

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          informationdan 5 years ago

          Yes I think welfare is inefficient and an immoral breach of property rights. That said, the real welfare in this country is the corporate welfare, foreign aid and bailouts of the politically well connected. We are allocating massive amounts of money to horrible investment programs that have nothing to do with poverty programs. I think we should cancel all of the programs that go to large corporations, reduce taxes and reinvigorate the economy before we pull the rug out from under the most needy. Once the economy is producing a realistic chance for people who want to be successful to do so, we should begin to remove all remaining welfare programs with only a small social net remaining in the long run.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @RandyK54: So you want to break up a family through adoption in the name of "saving the tax payer." Now there is the "Adoption Tax Credit" that adoptive parents receive, which is also basically a "hand out." The adoptive parents get a 13,000 dollar check plus the child's med expenses are covered by the tax payer until he or she turns 18.

          Anyone who thinks adoption saves tax money is a moron. I talked to many adoptees, not all of them really like being adopted they are still denied their original birth certificate and treated like 2nd class citizens and the birth mother never heals from the trauma. Open Adoptions where the adoptive parents and birth parents remain in contact, are not legally enforceable. 70% of open adoptions get closed in the first 2 years and 80% of those that get closed are closed by the adoptive parents, only 20% get closed by birth parents. So with the so called adoption "tax credit" regardless if a woman decides to keep her child or place it for adoption, your tax money is still going to pay for it.

          http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/02/pf/taxes/adoption_...

          http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200803...

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          I've been married 19 yrs we have four children have never had welfare, I get angry when I see others getting hand outs, I think they should do away with most of it, But what about the family who losses their job and are down for a month do we turn our backs on the ones who are just down on their luck, I ask myself this all the time Could I really be selfish and say that its not something that should be around for working families that have lost jobs and are in between jobs? I myself totally understand, I wish we didn't have to pay out so much money for the people getting hand outs, But I can't say I support completely doing away with welfare as their are families who have hard times and do need some sort of help through it, maybe a limit for how long you can receive help, Like a month of help for those families in need due to loss of job. I honestly say I support it but I don't cause not everyone is Lazy.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          I am all for endign welfare with those the exception of those that are disable. I mean realy diabled not some made disease or i am depressed or drink alot. i mean someone who is missing limbs or realy mentaly chalenged not ADD. My parents come from a country where if you dont work you starve to death and qutie honestly thats the way it should be. I would have all these lazy slugs waking me up in the middle of night because they have nothing to do and dont have to wake up early in the morning to go to work. Oh and did i mention they all have the latest video game consule, flat screen tv and cell phones!! that's poor?? Wake up america stop be lazy and everyone earn thier lives!!!

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          debate76ster 5 years ago

          I think that the system of welfare is one of signals of a larger agenda to increase the rich poor gap in the United States. As long as the wealthy are dead set on bankrupting the American public, then they should have to pay for their survival. Check out my lens on the rick-Poor Gap.

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          terri-jacobs 5 years ago

          I am here to say that I was on welfare when I was forced to quit my job due to illness. I have worked for 33 yrs of my life. I was not fortunate enough to go to college. I have been on welfare & I guess you can say I am on it now. I live in public housing and I am currently on Tenncare for my medical. If you are a single parent it is hell to try & support you & your child & work. I am a very bad diabetic and have suffered kidney failure. Plus I am bi-polar & required medication to control this. Seriously if I did not receive this help I would commit suicide. I would not be able to make my bills, not be able to buy my meds & have no where to live. I receive no food stamps. Life is hard as it is & depressing. So to all you welfare haters who think that all of us are lazy & no good. I worked my ass off 33 yrs just so I can receive my disability check. It is barely enough to pay rent my overage & what little food I can afford. Just be thankful ya'll are still healthly enough to work a job & have enough money to pay your rent lites and food. You are blessed. A lot of us are not so fortunate to be able to do that. I paid the United States there part when I did work for 33 yrs. So I deserve to get the small disability check I get every month. As I tell my son so often. you never know what can happen your knees can get knocked out from under you at any time any age.So don't throw those rocks from your glass house.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          welfare breeds welfare

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @anonymous: the kids of these people become there parents and continue the cycle

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @anonymous: if they can not feed the children they should not have them

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          the real problem is hidden it is one main falily tricking the world hitler was a rothchild so is queen and they have told us lies have over 500 trillion dollars stop them they are ruling all governments and there calender runs out this year yes the rothchilds where myia religion the evil that are lizard decendants real and they eat humans i hear true jail and take all wealth from them and the world will be so much better remove the poison frouride from the water aswell give me so investor money for my inventions i will feed home the world and give all power that is renewable energy myhum2001@yahoo.com john

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          godysdawn 5 years ago

          @anonymous: Very well said Ella.

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          godysdawn 5 years ago

          Lovely powerful squidoo. Highly factual & inspirational.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          people need to think of the children and not the food stamps system

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          the govemnet should never let any children to go without food poor people have a bad time dont hurt the system that help these kids eat

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          letsthink lm 5 years ago

          There are no easy solutions, but it sickens me to see politicians supporting massive bailouts for bankers while wanting to really punish the poor.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          What corrupts anything like an assistance program is greed and laziness. Unfortunately, greed and lazines exists in all classes and walks of life. It is easy to vilinaize welfare because we view it as nothing but system that sucks the resources of our society dry without recognizing that the individuals and groups that have the ability to change the welfare problem do not make an effort to change anything. The reason being the very essence of lief. the balance of the Universe as we all know it. There is always an oposite because it is essential. There is up and down, there is right and left, wet and dry, false and truth. There will always have to be poor in order for someone to be rich. That is why there are poor public school systems that do not teach the way the schools attended by the children of wealthy teach. The wealthy are always going to be in power and they will always make the decisions that will keep the poor right where they are. Wealthy circles are competitive enough and they do not need any more competition. Welfare will never change, because the wealthy do not want it to.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Hate how people always act like welfare is something they will never need like there immune from illness, accidents or job losses. Hate to break it to them but there not and if they ever come onto bad times they'll have to depend on the things there complaining about. You should never assume that because a small minority misuse the system that all people do. Stories of welfare fraud are often blown out of proportion so that it can cause a frenzy for the media, they love to wind people up and people who want a reason to complain will lap it up without thinking about the people who need and depend on welfare and who have no other choice. Seriously a guy works hard and gives plenty in taxes and service, and he suddenly loses his as the company goes bust and finds it difficult to find a new one as the jobs just aren't there particularly for someone his age, you really just want to let him and his family become homeless and starve rather than let the country he has worked for help him out a tiny little bit with the pittance that welfare is today till he can get back on his feet

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          Sonaprint 5 years ago

          I believe the solution to this and other poverty issues is education. Solutions to poverty is never going to be as easy as ending a program or starting a program. I have been researching this for months for my blog. Here are just a few statistics to ponder... 90% of welfare recipients are high school dropouts, Low literary costs $73 million per year in terms of direct health care costs. A recent study by Pfizer put the cost much higher, Penal institution records show that inmates have a 16% chance of returning to prison if they receive literacy help, as opposed to 70% who receive no help. This equates to taxpayer costs of $25,000 per year per inmate and nearly double that amount for juvenile offenders, About 1.2 million students drop out of high school annually, according to the Americaâs Promise Alliance Web site, if the students who dropped out of the class of 2007 had graduated, the nationâs economy would have benefited from an additional $329 billion in income over their lifetime, According to a 1983 study published in Illiterate America by J. Kozol, the imprisonment of over half the nation's inmates can be directly linked to functional illiteracy, equating to a cost of $6.6 billion yearly, Combined federal and state means-tested welfare is now the second largest category of overall government spending in the nation. It is exceeded only by the combined cost of Social Security and Medicare. Welfare spending is greater than the cost of public education and is greater than spending on national defense, Unless high schools are able to graduate their students at higher rates, more than 12 million

          students will drop out during the course of the next decade. The result will be a loss to the nation of $3 trillion. These are just a few disturbing statistics I have run across.

          It seems to me we need to look at the big picture...Poverty produces more poverty. Who is taking advantage of the system verses who is not... is like picking up a grain of sand when its a boulder in the way. We should make it a requirement for prisoners to get their GED or they do not get parole. We should give the welfare parents some sort of incentive for every A their children receives in school instead of more money for each child they have. If their children graduate High School an even bigger bonus. We should ask the dropouts WHY are they not staying in school and work on fixing this problem. The parents on welfare should get a free computer, broad ban and free schooling to get THEIR GED. Maybe if their children graduate give the parents a full paid scholarship to college for their education. If the government would attack the root of the problem and work on fixing every aspect of the root eventually there would be less and less in poverty and more Americans paying taxes and buying houses etc. How hard is it to comprehend...less prisoners...less deficit less drop outs...less welfare...less deficits and so on. Some people would argue "How will you pay for this?" are we not already paying dearly..funnel the money to a solution it will turn out better in the end...Right?

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          Strawberryangel 5 years ago

          I like that you point out that public education IS a form of government welfare. Many people don't see it that way.

          I believe welfare enables people, makes them comfortable in their poverty because they don't have to do anything for it, it's a handout. I don't have the right to force money from you and give it to someone else, therefore, neither does the government, so I would also argue that welfare is against the constitution.

          I recognize a need for people to be helped where they can't take care of themselves, that's where families, churches, communities and individuals come in. Our government was established for a moral people. If we aren't moral enough to not take advantage of eachother and moral enough to help people when they are in need then I guess we do need the government welfare system. We aren't as a society adult enough to care for eachother, we have to be forced to do it. Sad state our country is in I believe.

          Blessings to you for taking on such a controversial subject. That takes courage!

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          finally, a very humane piece on welfare, it's refreshing. most of what i read other places does nothing but put people on assistance down,and that angers me. i am on assistance, and have been for a little over a year now after my mental illnesses that i have suffered with my whole life became so bad that it is hard for me to function on a very basic level daily. i would love to work, and get child support from my childrens' father, but neither of those things are bound to happen, i can't work, and i can't make him pay for his kids. what i do want to say is that if anyone is seeing someone on welfare with a top of the line cell phone, nails done, designer clothes, etc, i can assure you they are not having those items because of welfare. those people are the cheats that have money coming in besides welfare. i say this because i'm in new york state, which has, from what i've read, one of the highest welfare benefit levels in the country, and for my family of 5, our welfare grant is only 803.00 per month, plus 500 in food stamps. because i am not a welfare cheat, i cannnot afford a car, or any new clothes even if not designer, i can't have my nails done and i have no phone whatsoever, as i cannot afford it. people on welfare who are playing by the rules have to make harder choices than you may think, like choosing between dishsoap and toilet paper, or laundry soap, whatever the case may be, because welfare payments are about 1/3 of poverty level income. unfortunately, for people like me, we have to live this way for a while and pray that we will have the very basics each day until we figure something out.

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          15 years ago I was working as a representative for our Headstart, this was during the Welfare reform period. The US also closed many bases,during my travels to conferences I noticed these bases being remodeled...I asked a constrution worker why and what was going on, he stated they also had built orphanges in the old schools, he found that strange.

          When they finally close the welfare program they will offer people the oppurtunity to retain custody of their children if you conform and live on their compound. Total govnt control over your lives-People need to be more informed of their rights as people of this nation before we lose all rights we have in the Constitution.

          When we as the people see injustices its not only our right but our duty to make a change, are we going to wait till they steal all our babies because we our poor???? Or all or property due to lose of jobs.. New World Order is not the answer- we need to remember whats more valuable our lives or money..They are stealing babies and getting away with it through our OCS programs causing unbeliveable trauma to families, but the richer ones need children- healthy children. With no children , no welfare.

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          RandyK54 6 years ago

          @anonymous: "not by choice"

          Give us all a break. This is 2010 and there is no such thing as an unplanned pregnancy. Therefore you are where you are by choice. If you can't afford the baby, why don't you put it up for adoption. Once again you have made a choice, haven't you? If you are that poor why not live like my Grandmother joyfully did, without electricity, water, or indoor plumbing. Raising chickens and are garden for veggies where other ways she made ends meet. Oh yeah, all of these things are uncomfortable and not good enough for you, yet another choice.

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          writerkath 6 years ago

          Hi Linda!

          Congratulations on your Sunshine Award! The subject of Welfare (these days called "Temporary Assistance for Needy Families" or TANF) is a touchy one, indeed! You have done a great job with your lens.

          A few years back, I worked extensively with individuals who were on assistance, and it was a very emotional job at times. As your commenter "Alyssa" below says, for some people it has been a lifesaver - which was the original intent.

          I have seen a lot of folks, however, for whom assistance had become a sinkhole from which they were struggling to climb - but with little or no success.

          In thinking back to the jobs I had working with TANF clients, I would honestly have to say that I recall only ONE client of mine who made the break while I was involved - and this was a very strong and courageous person who just had it in mind that welfare was not how the family was going to live.

          There are no easy solutions - in part, I believe, because the welfare program has become so wide-spread and expected by so many, that it would take an enormous overhaul that I'm not sure the country is up to (yet).

          Tough topic. Nice job presenting!

          Cheers,

          Kath :)

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          hi im on wefare and its not by choice i got pregnant and due to it being high risk i couldnt work and even tho my fiencee was working we couldbarley make our bills we even tried moving to a cheaper appartment and we still struggled i held off on welfare as long as possible but bills started to pile up. when my son was born he was verysick and has remaned so (hes 14months now) with all my hospital trips and stays its been hard for me to work then my fiencee got laid off if it wasnt for the welfare program my son would probally hav died and i would be on the street. you see i have no family to help me and my fiencees family is very poor so we have no outside help i do however believe that some if not most people abuse the system because hey are lazy and dont wanna work. but for people like be it has been a life saver

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          poutine 6 years ago

          Very thoughts provoking.

          I believe we need some welfare for SOME people as those ones will

          never be able to look after themselves.

          But I am totally against welfare for girls who get pregnant just so they

          can leave their parents home and live with their own rules.

          I believe that the father should be the one paying for his child, not

          the people who work hard for their money.

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          poutine 6 years ago

          Very thoughtful and thoughts provoking lens.

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          amillar lm 6 years ago

          An interesting lens. This might seem like an extreme example, but when tax money is used for war, itâs a form of charity for arms manufacturers and those of that ilk who profit for war. There are many such instances where ordinary people are subsidising the profiteers.

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          Indigo Janson 6 years ago from UK

          This is very thought provoking and I love the intelligent and thoughtful debate it has provoked. You've certainly got people talking, and it's a very timely topic.

          Congratulations on a well deserved contest win. This also deserves an ~*~* Angel Blessing *~*~

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          Vicki Green 7 years ago from Wandering the Pacific Northwest USA

          Congratulations on the Summer Sunshine Charity Award! A great lens for promoting thought and discussion about a very difficult problem.

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          Mary Beth Granger 7 years ago from O'Fallon, Missouri, USA

          Very thought provoking lens! Congratulations on your Summer Sunshine Award. Well deserved!

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          Tonie Cook 7 years ago from USA

          Excellent topic and presentation. This is due for a lensroll.

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          anonymous 7 years ago

          Congrats on the Sunshine Awards - well earned! This is a contentious subject but I think it is good to hear everyones opinions - from there we can begin to see what needs to be changed and improved. I don't think we can abolish welfare over night - nor should we. But it needs to change and to stop rewarding irresponsible behaviour and making having illegitimate babies a career choice that pays better than any job most women can get.

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          Kathy McGraw 7 years ago from California

          Your views or questions are interesting. If I am correct even in feudal times there was some sort of welfare system. When I think of welfare I don't think of some of the things you have mentioned..I look at those as a civil societies answers to the needs of the people. Now do all people need "welfare" that have it...probably not. But for the ones that do need it, I am all for it.

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          Spook LM 7 years ago

          I always forget. Lensrolling this somewhere provided you don't mind.

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          Spook LM 7 years ago

          Right up my street, fantastic lens and congratulations on your award. I could have gone on forever up there but for space permitting.

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          anonymous 7 years ago

          Congratulations on winning the Squidoo Sunshine Award with this well deserving lens! It is not an easy issue but one that you have presented most admirably.

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          Linda Jo Martin 7 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

          @OhMe: Thanks so much! (from a very excited lensmaster)

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          Linda Jo Martin 7 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

          @anonymous: Oh my goodness... thank you!! I am SO EXCITED... I'm grateful this issue is getting some attention, and excited to be helping the Food For Everyone Foundation.

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          anonymous 7 years ago

          Congratulations on your Sunshine Award for this lens, benefiting Food for Everyone! http://blogs.squidoo.com/squidblog/2010/06/21/suns...

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          Nancy Tate Hellams 7 years ago from Pendleton, SC

          Congratulations on winning the Sunshine Award today for you and Food for Everyone. Great Job!

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          Brookelorren LM 7 years ago

          To get rid of welfare, you would also need to reduce taxes correspondingly. Businesses are drowning in taxes right now, and it costs them a lot to hire a new person. People could afford to give more if they weren't paying as much in taxes.

          That being said, it would probably be helpful if it was phased out... right now people plan on having a safety net. We don't save six month's of expenses for an emergency fund, because people expect that unemployment will be there to help pay the rent. More people would be malnourished, because they would opt for peanut butter and jelly and Top Ramen more than nutritious food.

          We're currently living off of about half the poverty level. We're working our butts off, but it's just not paying much. My husband's in law school though, so our income is likely to go up when he finishes.

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          norma-holt 7 years ago

          Nicely framed opinions on this subject. *-*Blessed*-* and featured on Sprinkled with Stardust and also on my awards lens charity-lenses-for-summer-sunshine-giveaway

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          julieannbrady 7 years ago

          Well, I fully suspect that if there we no more welfare, there would be a lack of humanity ... you know?

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          Susanna Duffy 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia

          Good topic to choose! Well presented and highly readable, blessed by an angel today

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          Nancy Tate Hellams 7 years ago from Pendleton, SC

          You have sure given your reader something to think about. I remember back in the early 60's that my dad was making speeches about this very same thing and warning us not to become a government dependent society. He always felt that if the churches did their part, we would have no need for welfare. Excellent lens and good luck on the contest. I am going to feature this lens with Food For Everyone on Sunshine Award Nominees and I am nominating this lens.

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          Mary Beth Granger 7 years ago from O'Fallon, Missouri, USA

          Very thought provoking lens. Well done! It certainly is a dilemna!

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          Carol Fisher 7 years ago from Warminster, Wiltshire, UK

          Good, thought provoking lens.

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