How voters really think...or not

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   Mighty Momposted 10 years ago

   Headline read: "Southern whites troubled by Romney's wealth, religion."
   Really? I didn't think anyone but Dems were troubled by Romney's wealth!
   But ok.
   I sort of figured the evangelicals were not as down @ Mormonism as perhaps Romney hoped. Turns out, they even believe he has more than one wife! (Who knew? Does Ann know?)
   
   What's fascinating (in a car wreck sort of way) is the rationale of the people they quote here and the total inconsistencies within their arguments.
   It's three pages, but worth digesting every logic twist and turn.
   If you're prone to motion sickness, fair warning!
   
   These are "typical" American voters, melding together partial truths and disproved myths and picking their candidate on ... well, I'm not entirely sure.
   
   
   Appreciate others' thoughts on this poll and article.
   
   http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/poli … 1557.story

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      Credence2posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I saw the article and because Obama is the hated target, they would accept Satan himself as the GOP nominee. You know that for evangelicals, Mormonism is well outside the mainstream . Remember when Romney was dismissed during his run against Perry of Texas by Evangelicals who were ademant against voting for a Mormon.

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      habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I'm the other wife, MM. Shhhhh...don't tell anyone.
      
      That article was pretty depressing. I was surprised to find that 1/3 of Rs think Obama is a Muslim, but I was shocked to find that 8% of Ds think that, too. Sometimes I'm not convinced that all citizens over the age of 18 should be able to vote.

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         aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         But he IS a Muslim, he had to be a Muslim to attend an Islamic school in Indonesia, he may well have professed Christianity (albeit with another former Muslim 'pastor' who is anti American), but it is IMPOSSIBLE to renounce Islam without becoming an infidel heretic apostate, and if he DID renounce Islam, then any 'good' Shi'ite Muslim has the obligation to kill him for his renunciation.
         
         So is he a Christian, who is under threat of death from every Muslim he meets? - or is he a Muslim who is taking advantage of the Islamic scriptures that allow him to lie to we 'infidels' in order to advance Islam?
         
         Why has the Islamic world accepted him?
         
         Why does he quote the Quoran (no Christian does)
         
         Just curious.
         
         Personally I have no problem with the POTUS being a Muslim, but I do have a problem with a POTUS that will lie.
         
         

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            LikaMarieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            You really believe that?
            
            Please come visit my blog about Politics & Religion.

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               aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Yep, I believe the document presented is genuine, and that as a 'former' Muslim he does have a problem under Islamic law as an apostate.
               
               Maybe more specific on where I should be looking on your 'blog'? maybe drop me an email from my profile to stay clean with the TOS!

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         Mighty Momposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Well, he seems to like blondes! Who's wife #3? SassySue?
         
         
         It's clear that some of the ad messages and campaign messages are getting in. But being combined in ways that do not connect the dots.
         Actually, I see more than a little bit of that here on HP.

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            Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I'll admit to being wife number 3, but only if it gets me a 'couple of Cadillacs!' 
            
            Sheesh. 
            
            I read the article.  Had to go back and read some things over because of the way there wasn't a single sentence that seemed to connect to one before it.
            
            Call me crazy, or just illiterate.
            
            Anyway, vote your conscience, people.  Vote because of what you believe these men can actually accomplish, not because of their race, their religion, their financial status.  And...uh...what is it exactly about Harvard educated, quite wealthy in his own right Obama that has folks convinced that he's got a single clue about what middle class life is all about these days?
            
            Just wonderin'.

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               Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Growing up in poverty makes one more likely to be able to sympathize with the plight of poor, because the individual would've been poor at some time in his life.
               
               However, neither party is truly standing up for what matters.  They are both greedy capitalists.

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      Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      American voters thinking is an oxymoron.

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   Shadesbreathposted 10 years ago

   LOL @ you thinking people are going to read. Critically even. You are so silly.

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      JaxsonRaineposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Meh, I normally don't read news articles. I skim them to see if there is anything of interest, but most articles are written for viewership, not for good information. They are often written by people unqualified to be discussing the subject...

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      Mighty Momposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      If I don't read that and think critically of it, then I'm not silly ... right?
      

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   JaxsonRaineposted 10 years ago

   MM, I figure 80% of Americans vote with no basis in logic or reasoning. They either vote for 'their party', or they vote for the guy who 'seems presidential', or some other such nonsense.
   
   50% of Americans think the economy is the most important issue this election.
   
   Romney seems to carry about a 10-point lead when people are asked 'Who is better equipped to fix the economy?'.
   
   But in the end, it's going to be the moderates, independents, and non-partisan thinkers who elect the next president. I don't put too much stock in the stories about people voting for stupid reasons... they are always going to be there.
   
   I seriously think we need to change our voting system to more closely resemble the original plan... the majority of Americans, unfortunately, aren't equipped with the knowledge necessary to understand the implications of policy proposals... we live in a country where the blind vote for the blind to lead them.

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      Credence2posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Jaxson, what is your idea of the original plan?Was that not that only white males property owners over 21 could vote? We all know that that is a non-starter......Are we not being a bit pompous about the qualifications of all the electorate that do not buy into the GOP vision of America?

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         JaxsonRaineposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         An informed electorate and all that. The intention never was to have the president elected by popular vote, but we have moved fairly close to that.
         
         I"m not talking about only white adult property owners, nor am I referring to any party. There should be basic qualifications people need to be able to vote.

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      PrettyPantherposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      "the majority of Americans, unfortunately, aren't equipped with the knowledge necessary to understand the implications of policy proposals... we live in a country where the blind vote for the blind to lead them."
      
      Really?  I'm confused then.  Aren't you one of those who argues that most anyone can lift themselves out of poverty if they just work hard or develop a business plan with sound market research?  Doesn't that require quite a bit of knowledge and skill?  How can the majority of Americans have that ability, but not the ability to understand the implications of policy proposals?
      
      I'm so confused....

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         JaxsonRaineposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         You really try to make issue with things I say, don't you?
         
         Have you ever heard of the internet? You can go on it, and learn everything you need to about starting and running a business. You can also go on it and learn about basic economics.
         
         People can do much more than they often do, there's nothing about what I said that is contradictory.

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      rhamsonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The funny thing is that as you say most Americans are not aware of the issues that influence the decisions the congress and the president make. The funnier thing is that the two parties do nothing to promote any understanding of these issues either. The parties are about bolstering unity and single mindedness to effectively win the election, The sleeping giant that both parties fear is the independants that don't attend the conventions and don't vote the primaries and are obscure in most polling. The reason why thet are not a member of either party is that they are tired of the BS and want to hear what the issues are rather than the rhetoric.
      The really hilarious thing is that none of them is in charge of a thing. The banks and big business is and the money cements the deal. I get emails for donations from both candidates as they claim they need more money to defeat the other. What does that say about the issues? More money makes the issues more relavant? Hardly! It only cements the system further into our psyche that the candidates can be bought if you can see it.

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   maxoxam41posted 10 years ago

   Isn't the presidency candidate supposed to represent the voter? Now most of the American electorate is either christian, either protestant. Most of the American people either belongs to the middle class, either a lower class. Given this statement, how many people recognized themselves in Romney's portrait as a wealthy business man and a mormon? I understand why many procrastinate!

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      JaxsonRaineposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      No, not really. Would you want your average American to be POTUS, and be in charge of our national policies?
      
      We don't want someone who is 'just like' the typical American. We want someone who understands businesses, understands economies, understands international policies. The typical American doesn't.

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   aguasilverposted 10 years ago

   Seems they are just confused by the similarity of both of the 'candidates' represent, no wonder, they represent the same power source, they both represent the 1% NWO Banksters and Corporate America, they have just been 'dressed' differently to ensure the populace think they have a choice.

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      Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I was writing a hub about Obama last week, so had to research his life. He was born in Hawaii, and his Father and Mother divorced when he was 2. She re-married when he seems to have been in his teens, and he lived with her and his Stepfather in Indonesia for 4 yrs., then returned to Hawaii to be raised by his Maternal Grandmother. He only speaks Indonesian on a conversational level. He took a trip several years ago, so he could meet his Indonesian relatives (who he never met) and introduce Michelle and his daughters to them. The bulk of his life was in the U.S. in Hawaii. Even that whole Rev. Wright incident happened in a Christain Church he attended for either 20-25 yrs. (I'm not listing all the sources for the sake of these fourms). In fact, some of them are so long, shouldn't they be turned into hubs? Other sites don't allow religion and politics to be discussed on forums. That could be a good thing. These are writer's sites.

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         chefsrefposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Facts do little to influence people's thoughts.
         How else can we understand the idea that President Obama is a Kenyan born, anti-colonial, Communist, Socialist, Nazi, beer drinking Muslim who attends a Christian church with an evil pastor.
         His mother had to be a genius because all those years ago she was laying a forged foundation for Obama to be President when she forged his birth certificate and placed announcements in the papers.
         This stuff amounts to either magical thinking and fantasy or poorly disguised racism

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         aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Well I guess the Indonesian school records must have been faked huh!
         
         
         
         Anyhow, my point was not to attack Obama, I think BOTH the possible POTUS you are 'electing' are in any case working for the same gang of NWO corporate criminals so it makes no difference who you choose, Romney looks just the same wearing different badges.
         
         And, having been a Muslim, he is still under a 'fatwa' to be killed by any Shi'ite Muslim for having renounced his 'faith'.
         
         Does that not ring any alarm bells?
         
         
         
         Guess not.... (sigh)

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   LikaMarieposted 10 years ago

   I thought that article was pretty silly...  It was nonsensical, if you ask me.

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