Chemtrails over Los Angeles!
Max, the topic of this thread is chem-trails that you say you observed seven days ago over Los Angeles.
However, you will not, you have not, you can not produce any proof that what you saw were not actually harmless contrails.
You claim that the trails you saw contained barium, aluminum, arsenic and boron but you did not test the trails and you can not possibly know if they contained toxic chemicals.
[color=red][i]"Is the government poisoning us,” you asked. Another meaningless question you can not answer.
The OP statement is simply an excuse to attack a government that you love to hate with accusations you can not prove. There is a huge difference between proven facts and baseless accusations. This post reveals again that you do not understand that accusations are NOT facts.
Furthermore, neither one of the YouTube presentations you posted prove that the trails you observed were not contrails. In fact, nothing you have said so far supports your assumption that you saw chem-trails.
We are all waiting for you to end the verbose rhetoric and to furnish the proof.
You are forgiven.
So you do not believe there are aliens living underground in Colorado?
I hear they are going to take over the world. Someone ( just this morning) told me they learned this on You Tube.
(I did have a dream about a nuclear explosion occurring in Colorado. I actually perceived my life was over.
Bad dream. Yikes!
)
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago
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Maybe it is so we will be forced to NEED Obama care health Insurance!!! Hah ha ha ha Lol hee he he…
Actually? Nothing!
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
A condensation trail (contrail) that stretches out behind a jet aircraft flying at a high altitude is a scientifically explained occurrence. It is the result of warm, moist exhaust from the plane's engines mixing with the extremely cold temperatures of the upper atmosphere. The principle is very similar to seeing your breath on a cold morning. How contrails behave depends on the moisture content of the air through which the plane is passing. Very moist air will leave a contrail that could last hours and spread out into a deck of cirrus. Extremely dry air might not leave a visible contrail at all.
Chemtrails, however, are unproven misperceptions that circulate among paranoid conspiracy theory advocates. To this group, the contrails are not normal condensation of water vapor from the aircraft’s hot exhaust gases but, rather, chemicals that are being deliberately sprayed on the population by government agencies for inexplicable dark and sinister reasons.
As we have seen in this thread, when asked to provide proof of their claims, chemtrail advocates nearly always produce a link to a video, a blog, or an anti-government web site making the same absurd, unsubstantiated claims.
Data derived from soil and air samples are never directly connected to aircraft overhead. After decades of spreading suspicion, innuendo and distrust, not one person has ever produced a single verifiable fact that connects their theories to actual aircraft.
Photos offered as proof show straight contrails at many different altitudes, some parallel and some intersecting, but all usually stretching from horizon to horizon. You never see a photo showing the contrails turning 180 degrees and heading back in the reverse direction.
Neither scientific evidence nor logic will sway a person who is already convinced that his government is trying to kill him. Conspiracy theorists work hard at trying to justify their own paranoia. They desperately need to convince the world that pilots, petroleum engineers, jet-fuel manufacturers, aircraft mechanics, airline executives and government employees at all levels are conspiring to poison their own children, their own families, themselves and the rest of the world.
You can lead mules to water but you can’t make them think.Max, “parallelly” is not an English word. Perhaps you intended to use the adverb “in parallel” (en parallèle).
Aircraft flying at very high altitudes are restricted to narrow flight lanes that are usually defined as a specific vector and altitude between two navigational waypoints. Typically, they fly in single file one behind another separated by three miles or more depending on the current volume of traffic.
When conditions favor the formation of contrails, they will form behind the plane as visible exhaust vapor. The next plane in the designated flight path can also leave contrails but they will be parallel to the previous trails that have gradually drifted away in the direction of the prevailing winds. Eventually, after a number of planes have passed overhead, the pattern of contrails appears as if it was created by a number of aircraft flying parallel vectors when actually they were flying in a single file. The more frequent the planes pass, the closer the parallel contrails will be to each other. Also, the older trails will have descended to lower altitudes but this is usually undetectable from the ground.Hello, Max.
Contrails, not chem-trails.
You saw ordinary condensation trails over L.A.. In order to claim otherwise, you have to produce proof that the trails you observed contained toxic chemicals surreptitiously planted by evil government agents trying to poison and kill their own children.
Low altitude? So what is your point?
Contrails form naturally at any altitude given the right conditions and, typically, they begin to descend immediately. Regardless of their altitude when you saw them, they were most certainly formed at a higher altitude.
Clouds form in clear skies all of the time.
The explanation for the formation of clouds in a clear sky after a plain passes is exactly the same as the explanation for the formation of clouds in a clear sky before a plain passes.
As warm air rises, it cools and expands. Cool air can not hold as much water vapor as warm air. The vapor in the cooling air mass condenses and forms water droplets that clings to particles floating in the air. The gathering of these droplets become a visible cloud. {1}
Please notice that planes do NOT form clouds.
{1} http://www.livescience.com/44785-how-do … -form.htmlMax, let us keep this simple.
Nine days ago you claimed you saw chem-trails in the sky over Los Angeles.
You would like to convince us that you saw something other than normal condensation trails but you can not prove your claims.
You implied that the exhaust vapor you saw contained barium, aluminum, arsenic and boron but you have no evidence to support that claim either.
You asked, "Is the government poisoning us?" But, it turns out, you have not offered any valid reasons to justify the question.
Because you are unable to support anything you wrote, the OP statement resembles an elaborate hoax designed to accuse the government of crimes you can not prove. Of course, you are free to express your suspicions and distrust. It is one of the benefits of being in America. You can even promote your paranoid conspiracy theories using innuendo and illogical claims but most perceptive Americans will demand verifiable facts. Do you have any?Max, you posted that you saw vapor trails over Los Angeles that were not ordinary condensation and I asked if you have proof. Your reply consists of more unsupported assertions (“I was observing”) but no proof. The more you post, the more the OP statement looks like a fabricated hoax.
Cloud formations result from temperature, water vapor and airborne particles reacting under the right conditions. Clouds can be created in a bell jar at ground level and they never require a plane passing over head. Particles that happen to be toxic do not change the process at all. They are simply a solid surface on which the ice crystals form. The ice crystals make the cloud visible. Any one who has studied high school physics knows this without my having to tell them.
You also said “I observed, I saw” a cloud forming as the result of a plane passing overhead 30 minutes before. This conclusion is logically invalid. You can learn about invalid post hoc fallacies by clicking on link {1}.
Suppose the cloud you claimed you saw formed an hour after the plane passed overhead or, perhaps, four hours, or eight. You would still have no evidence that that cloud was caused by the passing plane.
Allow me to wander briefly from the sublime to the ridiculous. Using your faulty logic, had you seen a second plane passing overhead 30 minutes after the cloud formed, you would be telling us that the cloud caused the second plane to appear based on your logic that the second event followed the first. At some point, it should occur to you that you need to produce physical evidence before you connect that cloud to a passing plane.
As a result, your reply did not verified the allegations of "those Italian scientists", who were not in Los Angeles that night. It did, however, prove you believe that paranoid conspiracy theories built on unsupported accusations should be treated as if they are facts. Accusations are charges that need to be proven and you have yet to prove one allegation in the OP statement.
"My next step is capturing some rain water and have it analyzed. That would be a scientific approach, not like your denial behavior.” Thank you for sharing your plans with us. I will certainly believe your next step when I see the results.
In addition, be sure that your results include hard physical evidence that the water collected and tested was caused by an international network of evil conspirators trying to poison their own children and all of their living relatives. After all, that is your definition of Chem-trails.
{1} http://skepdic.com/posthoc.html
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
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