John F. Kennedy Would Hate Bernie Sanders ?

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ahorsebackposted 8 years ago
I would like someone on the extreme left to reconcile President Kennedy's ......."Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You But What You Can Do For Your Country " placing that up against Bernie Sanders free everything ?

Any takers ?
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Kennedy was a progressive in relation to the time in which he lived.
  
  Rightwinger people soil his memory by just mentioning his name.
  
  Trump is the ignoramus that the late President would have had a great belly laugh over.
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  always exploringposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Credence 2..I am laughing at the thought of President Kennedy's belly laugh. You are spot-on. I think he would've loved Bernie who BTW has a heart that loves everyone. I'm sure he shed tears when people lost their homes, while Trump was foaming at the mouth at the prospect of making money on their foreclosures.
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And a high five back at ya'.
  
  Whatever happened to the times when being 'wealthy' was seen as an opportunity to serve others, holding yourself to a higher standard in every way (Kennedys and Roosevelt's)? A time when our leaders having wealthy backgrounds were empathetic regarding the less fortunate and actually led by example. That made me proud of them and brought tears to my eyes. Wealth meant education, civility and most of all being a gentleman, bringing out our best, not our worse inclinations as a people.
  
  Trump is the antithesis of all of these lofty concepts and as a result, I would not let this 'chiseler' take out my garbage let alone occupy the highest office in the land.
  
  So, in 2016, what have we deevolved into? Trump who boasts of his qualifications based only on the fact that he has more money than you?
  
  Kennedy would have said that Trump was ridiculous! He would have been much more comfortable with Bernie Sanders.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ya .......right !
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Trump's policies are vague and ambiguous at best. Hilary doesn't give a crap about this country, and Bernie is the only one that has definitively stated from the beginning what his policies are, so what other alternative are there that you would suggest?
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I would like Sanders , being from my state and knowing his political ideology for years , To explain in depth ANYTHING socially reconstructive that he has ever proposed . You know , like how to pay for it and how he will get congress to agree to radical economic- social --political - reconstruction !
  
  Ever notice he never directly answers HOW , Only WHAT he would do ? Never .
  
  You people are pipe dreamers .
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sanders said he would raise taxes. End the war on drugs. Close private prisons. Close down the NSA. Reduce military spending. How does him saying he'd do those things not answer your question in regards to where the money for free colleges would come from? Do you need him to spell it out for you because it's quite obvious where the money would come from. Plus, European countries provide free healthcare and free college, yet they don't have a problem with it. Why are you so behind the times?
  
  Besides, at least he's not like trump where he's basically says crap on fox news like, "I can't tell you what I'm going to do about Russia because they might be watching this show, and I don't want Vladimir Putin to know what i have in store for him, but just trust me. If I'm elected, I'll get along with Putin." Yeah...tell me again how detailed Trump is with his plans exactly?
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Trump is a successful entrepreneur , whether he started with money or not . Sanders owns one house , nothing for assets but his soon to disappear Senate salary , You tell me where the real financial planer really is ?
  
  Sanders entire premise is that higher taxes are the payroll for his entire career one , and Two , the answer to all political reformations . He is a career politician
  
  His entire career's popularity is centered directly around organized labor , and student age naiveté' in Vermont . He is a proven avowed socialist , doesn't that bother you at all?
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I love how you ignored the part where I said he'd get rid of the NSA and private prisons, and relocate the budget for those things like free education and healthcare. Not to mention ending the war on drugs will save millions for the government because of the fact that over half our prisons are full of non violent offenders. Doing those things alone will save money for Sanders to do some of the things he's promising; along with reducing military spending.
  
  As for Trump, I'm surprised your defending him because I read a forum post from you a while ago, where you said that not only did you not want him to win, but you also said you'd write Hilary Clinton a letter apologizing to her. I wonder what changed your tune about him. As for Trump, you are aware the man has filed for bankruptcy a few times, and he's on the record for swindling college students out of their hard earned money from Trump University. However, I guess you just want to ignore that huh?
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  IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  People who follow colors had no choice but to get in line. LOL Kinda like FOX... Sad.
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  lol. Well all the more reason why I respect my mother a lot more. She's a republican too, and even she said she's not going to vote for Donald Trump even if he does win the GOP nomination. It's a damn shame she's in the minority saying that.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Get rid of the NSA ,Close the prisons ,Ending the war on drugs" ............ You and others like you need to get educated in reality .....One doesn't just eliminate total employed institutions just to pay for your entitlements , although those are fine examples of leftist rhetoric .
  
  Hey lets eliminate the Navy - to pay for new kindergarten pic-nick tables.
  How about eliminate NASA - to pay for clean needles for drug addicts.
  Hey let's eliminate Government jobs - to pay for free stuff .............
  
  Explaining leftist social programming ideology is kind of like two children fighting over a soccer ball on the playground , "I know , lets cut the ball in half "!
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Explain in detail, ONE incident where the NSA actually did anything that was good. Just name one. Let's see here. Sony was hacked for making "The Interview" movie that mocked Kim Jong Un, yet the NSA couldn't prevent that from happening. The IRS was hacked last year, yet the NSA was powerless to do anything to prevent it, and we still haven't heard word on if whether or not the hackers were found.
  
  ISIS puts up videos of people being beheaded online, yet the only thing I heard about anyone stopping it was a hacker group called Anonymous going out of their way to shut down those videos. Why not the NSA? I mean if the NSA was designed to protect us, then why can't the government use it's resources to trace said videos? Why couldn't they stop the IRS from being hacked, or at the very least trace whoever the f**k hacked it to begin with? Why couldn't they protect Sony better when they were hacked?
  
  Again, name me one incident where the NSA actually did anything to protect us. Just one. Hell even Snowden, who worked for the CIA, claimed it's nothing more than a ruse to help the government spy on people more so than protecting us, so please tell me what facts do you know about the NSA actually HELPING to protect us. Don't worry, I'll wait
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No, Trump is a flim -flam man, 'successful' like Al Capone was successful, but he cannot continue to evade the long arm of the law.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Is that kind of like Hillary has ?
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What i find ironic about Trump supporters is they say he's anti establishment, but he's given you nothing but proof to show that he is part of the establishment.. Hell, he even told you he was part of the establishment from day one of his freaking campaign. Remember how he admitted that he contributed money to Hilary's campaign, in order to prove how politicians can be bought and paid for. And remember how he said by giving said contributions, he could get whatever the f**k he wanted from them. (i.e. making her show up to his wedding.) He admitted that himself that he essentially bribed her by donating money to her campaign, while even citing how multi billionaires do this all the time, in order to prove how corrupt the system is. But the irony is though, he essentially admitted he's part of the establishment by saying that, yet you people can't see it.
  
  Hell, he's even under a lot of controversial heat for ripping off college students for his Trump University scam, yet you Trump supporters continue to blow off facts like that by claiming he's anti establishment, and how he looks out for the little guy. But in reality, all he's done is prove to you that he's not only is part of the establishment, but he has swindled the little guy before. Hello! Trump University anyone?
  
  Look, i'm not going to sit here and say Bernie Sanders is the perfect choice, as there's even things that he's said that I don't even agree with. But at least with Sanders, you can tell his heart is in the right place, and none of his actions thus far has disproven that. Whereas Trump, all his actions have shown is that he's only looking out for himself, and it's a shame that people like you can't see that he's conning you. Seriously, he ripped off people with Trump University. Do you honestly think he's not going to do the same damn thing to you if he's elected?
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sanders is rhetorically for a social...[ist ] over haul of America . AND it's something he could never possible accomplish , Why ?It's very simple , he would need congressional support ! He's thereby feeding such cool-aid to the young and naïve voter , THAT ALONE, has always been his political calling . That lone is the one hour speech he ALWAYS gives .
  
  I say" rhetorically "because that is the ONLY thing Sanders has ever legislatively delivered . That is his entire premise , Does he have even ONE legislative victory with his name on it , for anything ? No. Not one .
  
  One of my major beef's , having done my homework , is his eight year stint at chairing and running the Veterans Affairs Committee . If Sanders supporters truly did their homework AND if they truly supported and were vigilant of the piss poor treatment our Veterans always receive AFTER the wars , then you might think differently of him. I realize Veterans are last on the importance list for liberals !
  
  Trump , while far from my first choice , IS at least a savvy businessman , The very fact that his incredible rise in the polls is fairly phenomenal and the simple fact alone that the rest of the political world fears ,and so will respect America again , should also excite anyone who loves their country , I understand though that patriotism is far from a priority of leftist ideology . My understanding of "Trump College " is that is was a seminary or motivational speaker based set of programs ., I have attended those , If one so choses to pay for that and has second thoughts ; tough cookies !
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am neither young nor naive, and I go with Bernie over any of the others anytime. If you think that a blatant shyster like Trump is a savvy businessman than I recommend a visit to your closest psychiatrist. He gets the endorsement of the KKK and all the White Supremacist organisation leaders, what do they know that is concealed from the rest of us?
  
  I served in the military, so you can spare me the 'liberals hate Veterans' crap, please.
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  always exploringposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God bless America and all veterans who Trump lied to about giving a million dollars to. The VA has denied getting the money.
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  PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Conservative politicians pretend they love and support our veterans but when it comes to actually providing help for them, they repeatedly vote against funding. Conservative voters claim to love and support our veterans, yet they continue to vote for con artists like Trump and Republicans who repeatedly vote against funding for veterans.
  
  Lip service, not real service.
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  paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Haven't seen you in a lustrum I believe, though your activity says otherwise.
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ahorsebackposted 8 years ago
All negative rhetoric !...... , Still no one has explained the difference between EVEN JFK's supporting of lower taxes on corporations, business , and working class public ----- as compared to "Take from the rich and give to the rest stupidity ", ......of the great socialist Sanders ?

The NSA , the Homeland Security , The DOJ. , even the supreme courts have , under this administration , become nothing but puppets of the liberal activists Obama administration . Union memberships for the same are only welfare projects for the middle class . I'm not your secretary , look up true facts , honest statistics , AND history . Leftists today in America are nothing BUT a new breed of entitlement driven children living in the basements of their parents and are all but "wet behind the ears " as to being bright and informed voters .

Admit it people - you just want more entitlements .
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  C'mon horse, let's not be ridiculous, The difference between JFK and Sanders is the difference between 1961 and 2016, yes?
  
  Kennedy, relative to his contemporaries during the time of his admistration was far more progressive than conservative.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Okay , I admit that's true , given that moderate is about where everything is or should be anyway. in Truth America IS center . Heard it said it's probably center- left !
  
  Come on credence , you're taking the fun out of this .
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "you're taking the fun out of this". Well, horse, don't I always?
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No ,I'm sure you don't now .......:-} actually been doing some family genealogy , finding out that this divisive political nature is hereditary , go figure , right from the pre-colonial American times ........hehehe
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ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

That's my ancestors there in the middle !.......:-}
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'm still waiting on you to give me one example of what the NSA has done to protect us.
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  paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I think they are pretty busy.
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes but the point is the fact that he can't answer that question indirectly proves my point that the NSA hasn't really done anything to deter terrorism. And if you want me to be honest, I find it highly suspicious that the IRS got hacked around the same time the government had to mull over whether or not to keep the NSA.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You can be your own secretary...........While the silent , invisible vigilance of the NSA , Homeland Security , FBI , CIA .......etc. allow you to rest easy as you dream of utopia .
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So in other words, not even you know what exactly the NSA has ever done to protect us.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's called the National Security Agency , Only someone who's a national employee knows why their employees don't account for their pay . Are you a government employee? You tell me .
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  Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'm not a government employee. However, I wish I was because they get free medical benefits the last I checked, but I digress. It's okay. Although for future reference, you might save yourself a lot of trouble by simply saying "I don't know." That's what most people would say if they don't have an answer to a question. Just saying.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  WE don't know , and that's a good thing , YOU definitely might panic if you did .
  
  Simply Google it ! I did , The NSA is kind of impressive in accomplishment towards preventing terror acts alone , world wide too !
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Stevennix2001: Couldn't help but to notice an oversight. Government employees do not get free medical benefits as part of their employment.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Problem is , federal employees receive TOO much for free . Amount to too little in real accomplishment , and use too many resources doing so !
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thats your opinion, horse. It is just common and coarse rightwing claptrap....
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And your ideological and real contribution is the problem , part and parcel , more , bigger more invasive central entitlement ,government .
  
  Liberals are Always crying for more liberty all the while slurping up the benefits of central government , talk about the exact definition of hypocrisy , Thing is see ,...........you already know ,accept and live it , your career proves it , suggestion ,might wanna' take that proof off your profile!
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I thought that my ideological and real contribution is a benifit. Rightwingers are always crying wolf about invasive federal Govt, just as long as they keep their grubby hands off of your Social Security and Medicare, right?
  
  Liberty that conservatives, like yourself, cling to is only for you as you certainly will claim those benefits when it is for the things that you want. They are racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, obstinate, anachronistic and the list goes on, but again that, too, is just my opinion.
  
  Federal employees from NASA to USDA do their jobs and do them well, I resent your remark implying that my service was not of any value. What is it, you can hardly write, having atrocious punctuation and spelling? Is this the profile of the generally less well educated rightwinger? Maybe, you are just jealous of professionals acquiring work that you could not dream of qualifying for?
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How interesting that you state the characteristics of those hated republicans , when it is the direct hypocrisy of leftists that belongs wholly to that description . Give me liberty .........along with all my entitlements. SS. Medicaid and basic social protections are earned favors ,until the Obama administration opened it up to anyone not wanting to earn their way , "give me entitlements or give me more " the new shout out of the left . As to my grammar - I guess you get my points.
  I'm an independent who defends fiscal , conservative values.
  
  Enjoying those inflated civil service bennies?
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I bet you wish you had em.... I am glad that you are not the one that runs the show
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You should be ! It would be a definite return to the way it was ,, and should be , All earned entitlements. "...........wish you had them ". No , I couldn't live with the guilt
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