What are the Great Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President

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  1. My Esoteric profile image81
    My Esotericposted 12 days ago

    Bloomberg came out with a series of Battleground Polls this morning so I thought I would report. Overall, it doesn't appear that the debate debacle has hurt Biden much at all. (Plus signs are in Biden's favor, negative signs means Trump is ahead)

    The thing about the Bloomberg polls is that while the sample size is small, they make up for it by having a lot of polls (which effectively increases the sample size).  The only other poll with enough data points to make it worthwhile is the Hill/Emerson

    Arizona: Currently -4.5. There appears to be a slight upward trend in Biden's results while Trump appears to have no trend.

    Georgia: Currently -5.0. There appears to be a noticeable upward trend in Biden's results while Trump appears to have a slight downward trend.

    Michigan: Currently -1.5. There appears to be a clear upward trend in Biden's results while Trump appears to have a clear downward trend.

    North Carolina: Currently -5.5. There appears to be a slight upward trend in Biden's results while Trump appears to have no trend. That said, the last result of 46% was more than three standard deviations below his average of 49.6%.  That bears watching.

    Nevada/b]: Currently -4.5. There appears to be no discernable trend in Biden's results while Trump appears to have no trend either.

    [b]Pennsylvania
    : Currently -.9. There appears to be no discernable trend in Biden's results while Trump appears to have a slight upward trend.  The last Bloomberg result was terrible for Biden at -7.0

    [b]Wisconsin/b]: Currently -1.4. There appears to be a clear upward trend in Biden's results while Trump appears to have a slight downward trend.

    1. My Esoteric profile image81
      My Esotericposted 12 days agoin reply to this

      I just noticed that on the Trump's Michigan result of 43%, that is more than 3 standard deviations away from its average of 45.7% While the latest result is only 2.7 points away from the average, the data points which make up the average were very close to each other with little deviation between them.

      Bottom line, the 43% result for Trump was a significant drop from his previous Bloomberg results.

  2. Ken Burgess profile image72
    Ken Burgessposted 12 days ago

    Today's jaw dropping, eye opening, fact of Biden's term:

    Grocery Prices TRIPLE In 2 Years Under Biden, American Economy Is COLLAPSING
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5_0g5GXYxM

    1. Willowarbor profile image59
      Willowarborposted 12 days agoin reply to this

      Research demonstrates, the monthly grocery bill for a family of four grew by 50 percent between January 2020 and January 2024, and the largest grocery chains saw their revenue rise as much as 36 percent during that same period.

      So who's to blame?

      Studies have found that corporate profits account for more than 50 percent of our current inflation.

      Decades of failure to enforce antitrust laws and put consumers over corporations have enabled today’s crisis. But it's easier to blame a person.  So what exactly has Biden done to cause food inflation that continues?  And what specifically is the Trump plan to address food inflation?

      https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/11771809 … -inflation

    2. My Esoteric profile image81
      My Esotericposted 12 days agoin reply to this

      Wages QUADRUPLE in 2 Years Under Biden, American Economy is VIBRANT!  I am lying about the wages, of course, and so are you about grocery prices and the economy.  Why do you (and Trump) do that???

      Here is the TRUTH, the FACTS!

      Avg annual increase in food prices:

      2022: 9.9%
      2023: 5.8%
      2024 so far: 2.2%

      When you do the arithmetic properly you get 18.8% growth (8% annual) and NOT the 300% you claim.  Why do you spout such ridiculousness?

      In case you are wondering, that is 1.099 * 1.058 * 1.022 - 1.

      In that same time period, wages have grown 5.5% in 2022, 4.4% in 2023, and 4.7% so far in 2024.

      That is a 15.3% increase in Wages in the same time period.

      When you subtract the Food Price increase of 18.8% from the Wage increase of 15.3%, you are left with a 3.5% REAL increase in food prices.  That is a far cry from your hyperbolic and totally misleading claim of a 300% increase.

      This is why one must take any pronouncement you make with a box of salt, don't you think?



      https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-econo … th-in-2023

      https://www.conference-board.org/press/ … dgets-2023


      https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/i … ed-states/

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/135 … 20percent.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image72
        Ken Burgessposted 12 days agoin reply to this

        The video shows a guy on TikTok showing his grocery bill from 2 years ago, and if he hits the re-order button the SAME items now cost 4 times as much.

        Go ahead and try to tell him that he is delusional, that the statistics prove he is a liar.

        I have another one, I had to dig up some information for my new Home Insurance the other day.

        In 2021 I paid $986 dollars for home insurance, now I will be paying roughly $3,500 dollars for essentially the same policy.

        This on a house that was already in excellent condition, had a new roof, new HVAC, etc. all prior to our moving into it in 2020.

        It doesn't matter what the statistics you pull up are saying... everything costs DOUBLE or more than what it did four+ years ago.

        You can't hide that from the people who feel it the most.

        1. My Esoteric profile image81
          My Esotericposted 12 days agoin reply to this

          And I can show you a video of Big Foot, are you going to say that definitively proves Big Foot exists?  I can do the same with Martians.

          Your single data point means nothing in the larger scheme of things.  Only the kinds of numbers I present do.

          Prove that EVERY SINGLE THING costs double from your changed timeline.  It used to be 2 years, now it is 4 years?  Why?

          Try pulling up some gas prices and tell me with a straight face those have doubled, even in nominal dollar terms (not adjusted for inflation).

        2. My Esoteric profile image81
          My Esotericposted 12 days agoin reply to this

          As to your insurance rates, which are not tied to inflation.  They are tied to climate change and in insurance commission that is in the pockets of the insurance companies.  You know that as well as I do, so try to stop being deceptive.

          How about egg prices? Your "everything" claim includes those doesn't it? Well the price of eggs was $2.08 in 2022$. Today, a dozen eggs are $2.47 in 2022$.  Now in your reality, that may be "Doubled", but in the real world, my world,  In fact, in 2022$ a dozen eggs today are CHEAPER than they were from 1980 - 1989, 2005 - 2013, 2015, and 2022 - 2023.

          So, doesn't that destroy your claims?

          https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/i … inflation/

  3. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 12 days ago

    Ken trying to use Florida insurance, where climate change has led insurance companies to exit the state and premiums to skyrocket, as some proof of inflation, is the latest distortion to try and pin some blame on Biden from partisans in denial of actual reality.

  4. Kathleen Cochran profile image77
    Kathleen Cochranposted 12 days ago

    He is not a convicted felon. That is good enough for me.

    "Failed to jail Trump" No. The corrupt Supreme Court is doing that. But, hey, that's what the GOP stole three seats for!

  5. Kathleen Cochran profile image77
    Kathleen Cochranposted 11 days ago

    And it will continue. The majority of American voters has never chosen Trump. Why would they now?

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 10 days agoin reply to this

      Perhaps because of the enormous damage the Democrats have inflicted on the country?  You know,

      Open borders, and the requirement to support hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens.

      Giving up the stage in world affairs, alienating much of the world.

      Giving crime free rein.

      Spending us into oblivion, for little to nothing in return.

      The list is nearly endless; nearly anyone honest with themselves will find multiple reasons to remove that travesty of a President from office.

      1. My Esoteric profile image81
        My Esotericposted 10 days agoin reply to this

        Here is the Truth everybody:

        Open Borders - Here is the Truth everybody - they aren't any more open than they were under Trump

        Trump pissed of the world and vocally withdrew us from a leadership position as he said he would.

        Crime is down under Biden.

        Trump increased the debt more than Biden did

        The list of the bad things Republicans and Trump did to America is nearly endless.

    2. Ken Burgess profile image72
      Ken Burgessposted 10 days agoin reply to this

      I would hope so, or at the very least, they would report that his numbers were below 50% regardless of what they are.

      They have spent a decade denigrating this guy:

      3 months ago:
      ‘He looks like a puppet to Putin’: Panel discusses Trump
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvccoSqV8NE

      9 years ago:
      You're a Putin puppet
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVWRetR4jg

      This would be an excellent example of “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, the law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels.

      Among psychologists something like this known as the "illusion of truth".

      "In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility," Hitler wrote in "Mein Kampf," back in 1925.

      "It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously," Hitler explained. "Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation."

      These are the very tactics that have been used for almost a decade now.

      No one would possibly believe charges based on falsehoods and fabrication would be brought against Trump regarding his Russian Collusion... our MSM... our FBI... has told us repeatedly and continuously that Trump is a traitor, a Putin puppet, the biggest threat to Democracy the world has ever known.

      So yeah, some people are going to buy into that repeated messaging.

      They have a real problem, if after a decade of character assassinating Trump (and anyone associated with him), he still has the support of more than 50% of the country.

      And you can bet, that if he does, they would never allow that information to reach the light of day.

      1. My Esoteric profile image81
        My Esotericposted 10 days agoin reply to this

        Trump denigrates himself through his many bad acts.  The media doesn't hide that fact and simply reports on it.

        He DOES look like a Puppet to Putin - "At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.
        "President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied."


        In my opinion, that was a treasonous statement by Trump.

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812
        https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics … index.html
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … -interview
        https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/2 … n-00010923

        Trump kept a copy of Mein Kompf on his nightstand and appears to be a disciple of Hitler and Goebbels and has improved on Goebbels message.

        By any measure, Trump is the gravest threat to democracy in our time. He has already convinced 40% if Americans that the Justice and Electoral systems are rigged when he is the one actually doing the rigging.

      2. peterstreep profile image80
        peterstreepposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        This would be an excellent example of “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”...

        This is perhaps at the heart of the political discussions in the US for over a decade now.
        Long before Trump started his political campaign thousands of conspiracy theories were repeated over and over again. Like the 9-11 inside job conspiracy and the pedophile pizza gate theory. (and of course the Jews rule the world theory with a deep state kind of thing...)

        The information landscape is completely warped in the US.

        The stop the steal lie that even started before the election results were in.
        and the UFO´s hearings in congress are the symptoms of the same information confusion.

        It shows to me that over the years, the information given through news media and private pod casters like Joe Rogan have made the American public completely mad. As lies were broadcasted day in day out by what people believed to be respectable broadcast companies.

        A lot of people have podcasts and YouTube and Tiktok channels with millions of followers, but are not interested in telling the truth, but only in telling things that have more clicks and sells best.
        And people found out that hatred and controversial points of view sell best. So the likes like Joe Rogan don´t care about the truth but only about making controversial claims. (or give airtime to people with lunatic ideas)

        This environment of lies and conspiracies is literally deadly. (in the case of Covid, and the mob attack on the Capitol for example. (and many more that are less news worthy)

        I don't know how this landscape can change, but it has to change. Perhaps to make the social media companies accountable for the content they are spreading, like a publisher is accountable for the books of its authors.

        It is a huge problem (also in Europe)
        And deep fake with highly advanced AI imitations are around the corner...

        Still of course freedom of speech is important and should be defended..

        1. Ken Burgess profile image72
          Ken Burgessposted 8 days agoin reply to this

          Yes you can go back further than Trump and recent events.

          9-11 has always had its issues, such as how three buildings fell perfectly in on their footprints, something that only can occur through precision demolition... three buildings.

          We could go back to the Kennedy Assassination(s)... MLK and X as well.

          To think that anything that goes contrary to the narrative being presented by the Main Stream Media and powers that be is a conspiracy and false, is quite honestly the most telling sign of a person being an ignoramus.

          Do you think governments are capable of deceiving their citizens?

          Do we not have examples of this today?  Biden's cognitive abilities being a perfect example.

          How about throughout history, Stalin, Hitler... when you see the Justice system being weaponized not just against Trump, but those Senior members who remained supportive of him, and the lawyers that represented him... it might be wise to start questioning why it is they are all being targeted.

          While at the same time wondering why information is being suppressed by the FBI, why false 'dossiers' are being used by the FBI, and so on.



          It is a problem compounded significantly by the current Biden Administration age of... "you choose your own reality' and their efforts to put the full weight of the government behind such insanity.

          Its almost as if they want the American people as confused and agitated and insane as possible.

          A multi-millionaire is a victim despite her wealth, because she is black and she feels like a victim.

          A person feels like they are a non-binary whatever, so you must identify and address them as a non-binary whatever, or lose your job.

          A 6'5 man feels like he is a woman, so he decides to compete as a woman in sports, and Americans are told they must accept this, because it is that person's reality and we have no right, as a society, to enforce what is real/truth/fact on them.

          For 3 years the Biden Administration lied and said the border was under complete control, that there were no issues, 10 million migrants later, and with an election coming up, they decided to act as if they were doing something about it, and then blame the Republicans and Trump for deterring their efforts.

          Etc. Etc.

          It isn't TikTok and Twitter/X that is causing this insanity, other than that information can get out so easily... its hard to convince America the borders are secure when there are videos popping up every day showing the streets of NY and San Fran, showing the thousands streaming across the borders, etc.

          Those in Control have caused these issues with their constant lies and manipulations... with their Color Revolutions and Assassinations, with their trying to tell us Biden is the best he has ever been, as he stands on stage and craps himself.



          We shall see.

          The standard for social control and cohesion has been modeled in China and most of those who attend G7 and G20 and WEF meetings want to instill such governmental control throughout the Western nations.

          CBDC, Social Credit Scoring, and so on.  Only made worse in the West with their insistence on DEI and Equity being at the forefront of their efforts of change.

          1. peterstreep profile image80
            peterstreepposted 8 days agoin reply to this

            The question is not if the government is speaking the truth. Or if the FBI is withholding information. Of course they do. The FBI will not publish the names of people working undercover etc. And they shouldn't.
            But why should I believe Jo Rogan (to use his name as the influencer). Who tells me that the motives of Joe Rogan are sincere?
            So the basic question is. Who do you believe. And the underlying question is. Why do you believe this person above someone else.
            Simply put to me. I believe some resources above others. I believe for example Dr. Fauci above Donald Trump or Jo Biden when it comes to medical issues. Simply because he studied these things and Donald and Jo didn't. Now of course you can still have your doubts. But your doubts are grounded in believe, not in facts.
            Same when I bring my car to my mechanic. I will believe his story about the cause of the problems of my car quicker than the story of my dentist about my car..
            So authority of knowledge is for me a factor to believe something. Also authority in past behavior. I trust Wikipedia for instance more than Politico, or Life Magazine more than Walt Disney.
            What I notice though by a lot of people is that they believe incredibly easy the things they hear from strangers on the internet through Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter etc. and sharing these videos without looking at the source or the credibility of the person.
            This sharing of populistic videos is I think another reason why so many people are confused about so many things today. Like confusing culture war with class war or thinking that making a compliment about your white teeth is a racist remark or that the Holocaust never existed etc etc.
            I think the flat earthers are a classic example. They make videos about telling you that the earth is flat. Not because they believe it themselves but because the make money out of it. Doing a lot of damage in the meantime.


            About the China model. Every country has its own way of keeping controll of the population. What works in China will not work in the US. What works in the US will not work in China.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image72
              Ken Burgessposted 8 days agoin reply to this

              Interesting analogy.

              But what if that auto mechanic is a dishonest crook, who tells you that you need a new fanbelt, alternator, etc...

              How do you know if you need them or not?

              Once you have discovered that the auto-mechanic is disreputable, how can you trust him again... especially if you find out he has screwed over many different people and plans on continuing to do so?

              1. peterstreep profile image80
                peterstreepposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                It is a tricky one. Often you stay true to your first choice and give the advantage of doubt. Then he will trick you again, and again. and like a abusive relationship it will get harder to go to a different mechanic.
                If you are critical (towards yourself and the mechanic) in the beginning you admit that your first choice of trusting him was wrong and you choose a different mechanic.
                I think this adjustment and admitting that you were wrong is difficult. Especially as the little tricks happen slowly.
                You trust a news agency or Podcast, and first all is fine. But bit by bit you notice something is off. It's difficult to change as you've commuted much time and sentiment in it.
                Looking at myself. I've done this switch quite a couple of times. Slowly not believing in the person of the podcast anymore. Or in the Netherlands where you have the choice of voting +-14 different parties, I've switched three different parties over my lifetime. At hindsight I find it difficult to say why or when I exactly changed my mind. Sometimes it's trusting a good friends opinion. Or in the beginning I voted the way my parents voted as I trusted them. But slowly you build your own opinion.
                So I guess it works the same with trusting news outlets. Some people you trust recommend a podcast and you start listening. And because you trust your friend, you are inclined to trust the Podcast too.
                Something like that perhaps. Psychology is a weird thing.

        2. My Esoteric profile image81
          My Esotericposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          Very well said (except the UFO thing, lol) and ALL TRUE.

          I was happy to see the French came to their senses and kept the French Trumpians from taking over their government.

          1. peterstreep profile image80
            peterstreepposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            Yes, France made a good move. The Netherlands though, went from right wing (the right is in power since 2002) to extreme right wing. Luckily the government there is always a coalition, so the question everyone asks, will it maintain itself for 4 years...

            1. My Esoteric profile image81
              My Esotericposted 7 days agoin reply to this

              Is immigration driving what is happening in the Netherlands?  Also, ironically, I read that immigration in Britain has picked up sense Brexit.

              Also, also, I haven't read near as much about the influx of refugees from the Middle East lately.  Has that slowed down?

              1. peterstreep profile image80
                peterstreepposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                No. The main theme was about farming. Farmers have to change their way of farming as The Netherlands has a huge NO2 problem. This problem is already 20 years old, but as the farmers are an important vote with lots of money behind them, the government never tackled the problem. But as the EU insists that the Netherlands has to do something the government became more strict about this problem. The farmers didn't like that and started their own political party. They got 7 seats and as they also have a right wing agenda they formed a coalition with the extreme right wing party PVV (lead by the Dutch Trump, Geert Wilders..he has a weird hairdo too..) and the traditional right wing party VVD (that is in power for 20 years now..)
                The PVV had indeed an anti-immigration and anti-muslim position, with for example, banning the building of mosques. Something that is legally impossible. But it also cleverly promised some left wing themes as cheaper housing and more money to education and healthcare.
                About integration of Moroccans in the Netherlands. For as what I know I believe that especially the woman are doing well and follow more and more university studies. The boys are still a bit of a problem. They fight between two cultures. The Islamic patriarchal culture at home and the "Dutch" open culture at work and on the street. This gives some conflicts.

                about the influx of refugees of the middle east (Syria etc) I do not know either. There are lots of refugees from Ukraine I noticed. A lot of people speak Ukrainian on the streets in Valencia.

  6. Kathleen Cochran profile image77
    Kathleen Cochranposted 9 days ago

    Wilderness: Your list only exists in your imagination. It has all be refuted.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 9 days agoin reply to this

      Of course.  Biden has closed our borders as much as he can (that doesn't mean changing the rules to let more in).  He has deported as many as he could from the interior, even after stopping the practice.  He is getting resources from Heaven to support the illegals he brings in, including the bus/plane rides he gives them. 

      For sure - all in my imagination.

      1. My Esoteric profile image81
        My Esotericposted 9 days agoin reply to this

        Biden had the same border policy that Trump had except for ripping babies out of the arms of their mother's part.  Now, it is stronger than Trump's policies.

        With 4.4 million, Biden is doing better than any president since Bush at deporting or expelling migrants including Trump

        Combining deportations with expulsions and other actions to block migrants without permission to enter the United States, the Biden administration’s nearly 4.4 million repatriations are already more than any single presidential term since the George W. Bush administration (5 million in its second term).

        https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article … ion-record

        Why you insist on putting out false information about Biden's border policy is beyond me.  Do you have a reason for doing that?

        1. My Esoteric profile image81
          My Esotericposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          Did you finally realize that every time you rail against Biden's border policies that you are railing against Trump's?

  7. My Esoteric profile image81
    My Esotericposted 8 days ago

    Hopefully, there are a lot more Republicans who don't want to say Heil Trump and will do the right thing and vote for Biden.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/09/politics … ump-digvid

  8. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 8 days ago

    One would have to be seriously detached from reality to ignore what we all saw that day to think something like this...but, that's pretty much par for the course in these forums from Trump's supporters.

    '9-11 has always had its issues, such as how three buildings fell perfectly in on their footprints, something that only can occur through precision demolition... three buildings.'

    1. Ken Burgess profile image72
      Ken Burgessposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      Absolutely

      https://www.ae911truth.org/index.php/

      https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release … 11896.html

      https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analys … ition.html

      https://archive.siasat.com/news/911-con … l-1023280/

      https://themillenniumreport.com/2014/09 … ge-update/

      And literally hundreds of other such sites, research efforts, expert opinions, etc. have been done and can be found.

      But hey... this is the age of 'choose your reality' so you can choose to accept or deny whatever information you want as true.  Right?

      1. Valeant profile image84
        Valeantposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        Not 'choose your own reality,' but invent your own reality.  It's something those that support Trump really specialize in.  And it does not surprise anyone that certain people in these forums could supply so many anti-government links to conspiracies about topics.

  9. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 8 days ago

    In that analogy, others have told you that the mechanic is a dishonest crook, but then when you ask them for the evidence of that claim, they present you with things that his family has done, but cannot show anything that directly implicates the mechanic himself.  So, you begin to wonder about the people making the claims and how badly they process information to end up at conclusions that their information does not support.  Or at least smart people would.

    1. peterstreep profile image80
      peterstreepposted 7 days agoin reply to this

      Well, yes, that's the danger of gossip and talking behinds ones back. spreading rumours.
      I guess your hinting to Biden... I tried to get politics out of this but yes.
      It is stupid to blame a father for what a son has done. Or the other way around.
      Many people in the Netherlands and other occupied countries in Europe where ashamed and finger pointed because there parents had collaborated with the Germans in WWII. You can not blame the child for a murder his parents have committed. If Hitler had a son, he would have been innocent and should be treated as such. Anybody mistreating him because of his father is a bigot.
      Gossip and romours can ruin someones live though. Saying that the mechanic was a pedophile without proof can already ruin his business. And I think there should be a safety net on social media to stop spreading these lies.

  10. My Esoteric profile image81
    My Esotericposted 7 days ago

    Peter writes a great comment about conspiracy theories ruining America and it is followed by other examples of them like the 9-11 and Biden weaponizing the Justice system (actually, he unweaponized it from what Trump left.)

  11. My Esoteric profile image81
    My Esotericposted 7 days ago

    Inflation slowed even more last month.  Down to 3% CPI on a year over year basis and actually falling on a month to month basis after flatlining the previous month.

    Thank you President Biden.

    Historically, the CPI runs about 1% higher than the Fed's measure, PCE. It is the PCE that the Fed wants to remain at 2%.  If history is a guide, inflation has reached the Fed's 2% goal.


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 … chromepush

  12. My Esoteric profile image81
    My Esotericposted 7 days ago

    And I am "angry and stunned" by misleading headlines like this from CNN.

    "Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline"

    You would have thought this came from Lying Fox News or something.

    "Decline" my ass.  This is the same fundraiser that traitor Clooney attended.  You know, the one where Biden just flew in from Italy after a hectic two or three weeks in Europe.  You ever hear of Jet Lag?

    Decline means things are getting worse.  In March, these same people say he was fine. Now, three months later after a grueling schedule and many times crossed, they say he was almost catatonic. Personally, I have been there after such a schedule, and I was 15 years younger.

    Then, apparently, he gets sick and takes maybe a day off before coming under extraordinary mental strain of preparing for a debate.  He was somewhat sick the day of the debate and did miserably.

    After that, he has improved (not declined) considerably and no mention of such episodes again, just energetic performances without a flop on a tough campaign schedule.  I don't particularly like his style in interviews, but he was more than lucid, focused (but not energetic) with Stephanopoulos.

    So far, all anybody has to point to about this so-called "decline" is a period from Jun 17 - Jun 27 when he was clearly off his game.

    Nothing has come out from the NATO summit other than praise.

    Tonight, he will have another test with an interview with the press.  If he comes off as he did at the fundraisers or the debate, then I'll join the chorus for him to leave. 

    But if he comes off sharp and decisive, then everybody needs to shut-up and focus on the real danger - Donald Trump.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics … index.html

    1. Credence2 profile image78
      Credence2posted 7 days agoin reply to this

      Tonight, he will have another test with an interview with the press.  If he comes off as he did at the fundraisers or the debate, then I'll join the chorus for him to leave. 

      But if he comes off sharp and decisive, then everybody needs to shut-up and focus on the real danger - Donald Trump.

      --------

      I think that this is a fair test, we cannot afford to let MAGA unnecessarily   sow discord within  our own ranks. I think with Biden's superb record, he deserves another chance before being thrown under the bus. I may well be the only Democrat that is saying this.

      The alternatives to President Biden may not necessarily prove to our advantage. People are fooling themselves if they believe that Bidens poll number fall exclusively because of the perception of his age and capability, and that putting someone younger in as a stand in is really going to make that much difference. We are all allowing ourselves to be enveloped by the ubiquitous Trump smoke screen, once again.

      I believe that Biden would have the integrity to step down his own accord if he recognized himself as being seriously cognitively impaired.

      1. My Esoteric profile image81
        My Esotericposted 7 days agoin reply to this

        I meant to include this in my comment as well.

        So much of the "bad press" Biden is getting is because he physically shows his age.  He has arthritis of the spine, hence the shuffling. He has always had sort of a hang-dog look which has gotten worse with age.  His stutter always gives him problems and amplifies the appearance of cognitive issues. Work recall also declines with age as I well know, it drives me bonkers.

        NONE of that, however has a damn thing to do with his cognitive ability.  FDR was disparaged because he was in a wheelchair. Image the hell FDR would go through today because of it, yet it had no impact on his ability to lead us out of a Conservative caused depression and a war.

        If Biden had real cognitive issues, he wouldn't have been so successful in bringing Netanyahu and Hamas so close to a deal again. If that happens, it all because of Biden.  If Biden had real cognitive issues, then he wouldn't have sewn NATO back together again after Trump diminished it.

        If Biden does fail tonight, then I no longer have any problem with Kamala Harris.  When she first became VP, I thought she was weak and did not present well.  She has changed my mind about that.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          You presumably disagree with the armchair (and professionals) that say Biden IS truly showing age and is not competent.

          Question: is this a direct result of the claims that Trump is "mentally disturbed"?  Those claims that started before he took office and have never stopped?

        2. My Esoteric profile image81
          My Esotericposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          Well, Biden didn't come close to failing tonight, so all the nay-sayers please need to find something else to whine about - such as Trump's terrible debate night with all his verbal stumbles and LIES.

          That said, I wish Biden would talk less and drop such phrases as "the idea that", "number 1", "well ... never mind".  It is distracting.

        3. Credence2 profile image78
          Credence2posted 7 days agoin reply to this

          So, how is it that a cognitively impaired man can be so successful? This man has had more success than most cognitively normal formal Presidents of the past  that have held the office and that would include a "stable genius" or two.

          I am interested in results and am not so shallow as to be rerouted by appearances and slight of hand by our opposers. In reality, that is why Biden is on the "hot seat" and unfortunately it will have a lot of weight.

          1. Valeant profile image84
            Valeantposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            But can you admit to yourself that most of his successes happened during his first two years?  And in the two years since, he's had many more senior moments and looked weaker.  The job has taken a toll on him.

            1. Credence2 profile image78
              Credence2posted 7 days agoin reply to this

              It is not just about the man but the teamwork an alliances that he forms that produce successful outcomes. The job has taken its toll, but I am not convinced that he can no longer be effective in it.

              1. Valeant profile image84
                Valeantposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                There's some truth in there, and why I'd still be willing to vote for Biden over Trump.  But I'd rather have someone running at full strength in the most important job in the world.

                1. Credence2 profile image78
                  Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  Valeant, who has ever run at "full strength"?  Disability can take many forms, lack of experience, the inability to get a contentious Congress to work through your legislative agenda. Much of that experienced by Kennedy and Obama.

                  It just irks me that there is always one yardstick that is applied to Biden while Trump and his insane and  malevolent utterings are held at an entirely different one.

                  Harris is the Sorcerers Apprentice, in this politically toxic environment can she successfully navigate through it? Experience can cover for a multitude of sins.

                  1. Valeant profile image84
                    Valeantposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    'It just irks me that there is always one yardstick that is applied to Biden while Trump and his insane and  malevolent utterings are held at an entirely different one.'

                    And maybe you're not reading my comments.  I'm saying both are deficient, and I see Biden as the less deficient.  But there is a non-deficient option and I'd like to have the ability to go with that one.

              2. My Esoteric profile image81
                My Esotericposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                Let's see -

                - The Inflation Reduction Act - 2022

                - The PACT Act - 2022

                - Rallied the world to support Ukraine and reinvigorated NATO - 2021 to now

                - American Rescue Plan - 2021

                - Chips and Science Act - 2022

                - Bipartisan Infrastructure Act - 2021

                - Bipartisan Safer Communities Act - 2022

                - Negotiated Israel - Hamas Deal (hopefully) - 2023 to now

                - Respect for Marriage Act - 2022

                - Executive Order Protecting Reproductive Rights - 2022

                - Bipartisan Border Deal (that Trump killed) - 2023

                - Executive Order Protecting our Border - 2024

                - Hosted the first trilateral summit with South Korea, Japan and the United States. (yes, that was a big deal, SK and J were still not talking to each other) - 2023

                - Launched the “Replicator Initiative” to better compete with China (Trump let America fall behind China). - 2023

                - He reached a debt ceiling deal with House Republicans that reduced spending (which the Republicans then broke) that avoided a shut-down - 2023

                - Forcefully stood with Israel after being attacked but still tried to rein in Netanyahu's worst instincts - 2023 to now.

                - Total removals and returns of illegal migrants since mid-May 2023 exceed removals and returns in every full fiscal year since 2011.  - 2023 - 2024

                That is why many consider him the most successful first term president in modern history.

                Most first term presidents see the most accomplishments in the first two years, Biden was no exception.  But, he didn't stop in 2022.  He is now successfully dealing with the most complex international problems than any president has faced since 9/11.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  "- Total removals and returns of illegal migrants since mid-May 2023 exceed removals and returns in every full fiscal year since 2011.  - 2023 - 2024"

                  Why do you never indicate how many foreign citizens without passports entered?

                2. Credence2 profile image78
                  Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  And yet somehow, this man is not fit to complete the successes that he had accomplished and continue to Accomplish? So, where does that come from?

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image72
                    Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    Essentially it comes from every time he makes a public appearance these days.  He struggles with basic functions and speech today...

                    Imagine him 4 years from now... worse... imagine Harris for 4 years.

          2. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            You are right; Biden has been successful.

            He successfully created the highest inflation in decades.

            He successfully opened our southern border to virtually anyone that wanted in.  He also successfully brought in millions to the interior.  Finally he successfully ignored the law that those already here must leave. 

            He has successfully turned the rest of the world against us, helping to create two wars at the same time.

            He successfully released billions to a nation intent on destroying us.

            Biden has been very successful...depending on how you define "success" of course.

            1. Credence2 profile image78
              Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

              Yes, it does depend on how you define success and following a Right wing playbook is not my definition of that.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image72
                Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                He is not mentally competent to do the job for four more years.

                His replacement (Harris) is incompetent and unfit for that job as well.

                These are the people the Democrats want to put up to handle the complex issues facing us now, and in the future.

                You can't make Trump into a big enough villain to get me to support such insanity, it is a disgrace, beyond the pale, not that Biden is currently the President... but that the corruption is so deep, so uncorrectable, that the Democrat Party is trying to push forward with these two incompetent individuals for four more years.

                1. My Esoteric profile image81
                  My Esotericposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  And you want a convicted felon and sexual predator, go figure.

                  Would you agree that someone who only lies is "incompetent" or consistently deals in conspiracy theories is "incompetent"?  I do.

                  I'll take what you claim is Biden's or Harris' so-called and inaccurate "incompetence" over Trump every day of the week.

                  1. Credence2 profile image78
                    Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    Ditto....

                  2. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    Watched a part of Biden's latest interview (yesterday?).  Shut it off because I couldn't take the constant lying.

              2. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                I certainly understand that.  I get the impression that you agree that that list of "successes" really ARE successes.  It was a success when he brought in tens of thousands of illegal aliens, for instance, and shipped them all over the country under cover of darkness.

                1. Credence2 profile image78
                  Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  That is your bugaboo, Wilderness. Many of us see things differently.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image72
                    Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    I'll loan you a pair of my glasses, maybe that will help.

            2. My Esoteric profile image81
              My Esotericposted 6 days agoin reply to this

              Inflation - A lie.

              Opened the Border - A lie

              Turned the rest ... - A lie.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                I think we have different definitions of what the word "lie" means.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image72
                  Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  LOTFLMAO big_smile

  13. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 7 days ago

    To me, he already failed his test.  Back in 2020, he said he would be a placeholder for the next generation.  Since then, he's gone back on that.  And there are just too many senior moments to think he should be anyone we should trust to run the nation. 

    The same should also be said for Trump, but then add in his malignant narcissism to that critique as another reason he should never again be near a public office.

    1. Credence2 profile image78
      Credence2posted 7 days agoin reply to this

      Sadly, enough, we disagree.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

        Really?  You disagree that Biden's mental acuity should preclude him from being President for another 4 years?

        Was there something else?  Or just that deep, abiding hatred of Trump that makes you say such a thing?

        1. Valeant profile image84
          Valeantposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          It's not hatred to conclude that Trump belongs nowhere near public office.  It's reason and common sense.  Those that feel differently are in denial that a convicted felon should be the leader of our nation.  One who was convicted for cheating to gain that office in the first place.

          1. My Esoteric profile image81
            My Esotericposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            Convicted felon AND a Sexual Abuser no less.  What kind of person would want such a man in the presidency??

            1. Ken Burgess profile image72
              Ken Burgessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

              Repeat it enough times and you will at least convince yourself its legit and means something.

              To the rest of America, and most of the world, it is just more proof that America has lost its way and has become a mix of circus-show and banana republic.

          2. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            Hmm.  Much like those that are in denial that Biden has screwed up virtually everything he's touched.

            1. Valeant profile image84
              Valeantposted 7 days agoin reply to this

              More far-right delusions and a laughable claim.  But typical from someone who always exaggerates and goes to the extremes.  And why many of us don't put much stock in that person's comments.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                lol

            2. My Esoteric profile image81
              My Esotericposted 6 days agoin reply to this

              Another untruth.  You are projecting Trump.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                Went over that elsewhere.  Again, different definitions of "success" yields different feelings on "screwed up".  "Success" at the border, for example, does not mean making it legal to enter, so there are nearly no more illegal entries.

        2. Credence2 profile image78
          Credence2posted 7 days agoin reply to this

          No, there is nothing else. In my opinion Trump is a jerk and has always been a jerk. If he dropped dead tomorrow, I would not raise an eyebrow. I would not be so much elated as relieved that we don't have a tyrant in office during the 250th anniversary of the "Declaration of Independence".

          So I will allow you to interpret that in whatever way you will.....

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            I will do my best to understand what you say.  You hate Trump to the point that even a man that demonstrably cannot perform his duties (mentally incapable) is superior. 

            Got it.

            1. Credence2 profile image78
              Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

              That is fundamentally what I have said, Yes...

              I am satisfied with Biden's record to date and your attack on his cognitive abilities appear more to be political bias on your part. You really think that I don't know the difference?

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                Seems fair, although stretched quite a bit.  After all, we saw multiple reports by supposed experts (violating their oath) testifying that Trump is mentally ill, without ever examining him.  Why not Biden?

                (Again, conservatives learn fast; shown how to play dirty they do so with gusto.)

                1. Credence2 profile image78
                  Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  I can tell you that Trump IS mentally ill and I am not a psychologist.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image72
                    Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    Your opinion is duly noted, as is the fact that you are not a psychologist.

                  2. Valeant profile image84
                    Valeantposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    I love how Wilderness falsely claims that they violated their oaths.  If they had diagnosed him, they would have.  But they simply stated that with the public knowledge they are able to see, Trump's aligns with certain mental disorders.  Not exactly a diagnosis, just a warning about what they see from public displays.

            2. My Esoteric profile image81
              My Esotericposted 6 days agoin reply to this

              Even if you were telling the truth, which you are not, YES, if that were the only two choices.  Can't perform his duties vs a convicted felon and sexual predator.  I will go with the good man and not the bad man.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                I understand that.  Most liberals find appearance far more important than results.

                1. Credence2 profile image78
                  Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  So, do most conservatives, case in point "Trumpism".

            3. Ken Burgess profile image72
              Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

              Exactly... they are essentially saying:

              I don't care how unfit, how incompetent, how insane the people we support are... how damaging to our Country and the World their actions have been...

              Anyone who is not sitting far to the Left on the spectrum of politics might have a problem with that... and anyone sitting Center to Center-Right definitely has a problem with that.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                So true.  Can't say as I understand such "reasoning", but I can see it and wonder how the nation can survive with so many following that road.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image72
                  Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  Sadly, and to be entirely honest, the Dems have a very good chance, because of the repeal of Roe vs. Wade.

                  That alone probably has locked at least 30% of all women voters in to vote Democrat regardless of who is on the ticket.

                  58% of women voted for Biden in 2020... that is why he is there.

                  It would not surprise me if 58% vote for him again... heck between feeling sorry for Biden and being pissed about Roe v Wade, the Dems might surprise everyone and win in a land slide.

                  wink Might even be a historic win for them.

                  How could you prove otherwise?

                  You can't.

                  1. Credence2 profile image78
                    Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    May all your predictions come true, especially this one...

              2. Valeant profile image84
                Valeantposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                Actually, what we are saying is that someone with decades of experience as a government servant knows how to surround themselves with capable people.  So, even though the candidate is flawed, and we can acknowledge those flaws, we trust the people around him to do their jobs.

                As it is a choice, and we have seen the alternate being someone who must always portray themselves as the smartest person in the room, despite being a functional illiterate and someone that most of the people that have worked with him have called the dumbest human they have ever encountered, it's an easy choice.  We've seen that person undermine the experts and directly promote things that caused American citizens to die.

                The majority of Trump's cabinet will not support him, his own Vice President will not support him.  That is telling.  That's not a 'deep state,' but people that worked directly with him and are openly stating that he does not belong anywhere near the office again. 

                That means something to those of us that do not have to fall in line or be removed from our political party.  There is open dissent right now to Biden, but he is not threatening those people.  That's a main difference between the two parties right now.  One side threatens its own citizens who dissent against it.  One side does not.  To me, and millions of others, that's one of the simplest ways that MAGA is totally disqualifying as a political party.  If they do not get their way, they threaten their opposition with violence.  That is about as unamerican as it gets.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image72
                  Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  And you would be wrong.  Time served in government does not equate to ability or competence, especially 50 years of it.

                  Cleary, he did not "knows how to surround themselves with capable people".



                  First point, that is not true... while the likes of Bolton and Mattis have strongly voiced their belief that Trump is completely unfit... others that you never hear about (bubble of information) supported him and still do.

                  If one delves deeper into the politics and perspectives, we can conclude why the likes of Bolton and Mattis were so discouraged with Trump.

                  They disagree with Trump's belief that we should leave NATO, for example, or at the least, get them to pay the vast majority of its costs. 

                  There are those, like Bolton, that can't handle that Trump would consider it, or more likely, use the threat of it to get the EU nations to start taking care of their own Defense forces and stop relying on America carrying the burden and the costs.



                  You are entirely correct.

                  The assault on those that tried to work with Trump and accomplish the jobs they were assigned include his National Security Advisor, his Deputy Campaign Manager, his Campaign Manager, his Foreign Policy Advisor, several White House Advisors, a long list of 'known' names.

                  And literally thousands of 'unknowns' that are in jail today.

                  1. Credence2 profile image78
                    Credence2posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    "And you would be wrong.  Time served in government does not equate to ability or competence, especially 50 years of it."

                    A classic anti government rightwing attitude and you say that you are impartial?

                  2. Valeant profile image84
                    Valeantposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    'Cleary, he did not "knows how to surround themselves with capable people".'

                    Clearly, he did as he steered the economy to the best recovery of all the nations like us.  The far right was predicting a massive recession, and now they are giving Biden and Powell credit.  Inflation was global, hurt by businesses closing and damage to supply chains, combined with many nations giving out stimulus.  The businesses happened before Biden, stimulus before and during.

                    His foreign policy has more strikes than accomplishments, no doubt.  And his humanity has encouraged people to migrate here.  Although, after Covid, we did need the additional labor to fill open vacancies as many people, myself included, were able to take early retirement and not return to the workforce.

                    As for the cabinet members, go do some research to find out how many are actually supporting him.  As of March of this year, it was only a third.  Last year, at this time, it was just four of forty-four.  And many of them have come out against the character of the man, not the policy.

                    'The assault?'  Weird that all those people would plead guilty to crimes if they were innocent.  That Trump's Deputy Campaign Manager would list the numerous dates, times, and locations where the Campaign Chair was meeting with a known member of Russian Intelligence and passing campaign strategy and internal polling data along to them.  Information readily available in the 2020 bipartisan Senate Report on Russian Election Interference (that I'm sure no one in the Trump cult has bothered to read because it confirms the collusion they still deny).  Just the latest weak attempt to shield the criminality that now permeates the Republican Party under MAGA.

    2. Ken Burgess profile image72
      Ken Burgessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

      A moment where the clarity of truth is recognized... kudos.

      Now if you also recognize that Harris is equally incompetent without the excuse of dementia and age being responsible for it...

      Then I can ask, and am curious as to what you think should be, or needs to be done about it?

      1. Valeant profile image84
        Valeantposted 7 days agoin reply to this

        Thanks, now if we can get you guys to join us in that reality and acknowledge Trump's many mental stumbles as well.  Unlikely, since he's conditioned you all to deny any of his negatives, but it'd still be nice to bring you all into the same kind of reality many of us on the left acknowledge.

        As for Harris, at this point, she does not have senior moments or live in an alternate reality where everything they do is awesome.  So, to say she is 'equally incompetent' is the latest fabrication from the right.  She was an effective Senator and I often enjoyed her questioning during hearings.

        As to what should be done, it's Biden's nomination to turn down.  If he does, an open convention would be ideal, but I've said it before, any option is better than what Trump offers the country.  His plans to attack women's rights, voter rights, and his political opponents is a non-starter.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image72
          Ken Burgessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          Trump has his issues, the biggest of which is that he is a loose cannon and also is unwilling to play along with the neocon (and neolib) agendas.

          They have made him their enemy #1, they have used the Justice system to try and strip his wealth and freedom from him... so I can see why there are plenty of people, living in the DC belt especially, that are terrified of the idea of his returning to power and coming after them.

          Most of these people have lived in a bubble of untouchability their entire adult lives, no matter what they did, it would be swept under the rug... I can only imagine having never faced consequences for their actions before that they may be terrified of what might come.

          Anyway... as for Harris, she is unfit, she is incompetent, she is a dumb ass.  She is a clueless as you claim Trump to be without the ability to come off as dangerous or unpredictable as Trump can be.

          Harris would be worse for America than Biden has been... unless they pick a VP that can really be running the show and does most of the appearances and deal makings.  Like Dick Cheney was for Bush Jr.

          There was such an opportunity in 2020 to pick a candidate that could settle things down and move the country forward in the right direction... but  instead of a Tulsi Gabbard or Yang or Warren... you know, NEW, mentally fit, intellectually capable, not a corrupt crony dragged out of the basement.

          1. Valeant profile image84
            Valeantposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            Yeah, zero admission of Trump's mental glitches or malignant narcissism.  Like I said, totally conditioned.

            Not sure the things you say about Harris are any different than what everyone has said about every Vice President in the last forty years.  And I disagree with many of your claims having watched her performance in the Senate.  She was very effective, let alone that her education dwarfs that of the functional illiterate that Trump clearly is.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image72
              Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

              Why do you always need to turn it back to Trump?

              First of all, he is YOUR creation.... your MSM sources and your Politicians made him into the worst Boogey Man the Progressive/Democrat/Tent has ever created...

              And that in turn made him VERY popular to all those who stand in opposition to Progressive/Democrat goals/agendas in addition to being the Icon of all those 'deplorables' that are so despised by 'your side'.

              There is a reason why 25% percent of blacks and 50% of hispanics now support Trump, and it is not because they are onboard with Republicans (Old School types) it is because of Trump and the endless persecution that the MSM and now the corrupt NY Justice system has done to him.

              Not to mention the impeachments, the mistrust of the last election, and the general disrespect anyone in the establishment has given him.

              You might as well spit in the face of all those 75 million Americans that voted for him.

              Its bad enough Biden has been terrible for America... and all those who are not die-hard Democrats admit this... even pundits that are ALWAYS on your side admit this... but your side, you, have made Trump into an Icon for all those who are fed up with our corrupt Government.

              You couldn't have done more to promote Trump if you had wanted to. 

              Valeant, Eso, you guys are like walking talking advertisements for Trump, you have done more to garner him support than anything I have ever typed.

              People who read your posts, who despise your politics are drawn to Trump more by the posts you make than anything I have ever said.

              [EDIT/ADD]

              I was ready to move on from Trump 5 years ago, but it required a candidate that I knew wasn't a corrupt political sell-out, someone capable...

              My choice then was Tulsi Gabbard... I would have even swallowed hard and supported one or two of the other candidates... but never Biden... just like never Clinton, I know how corrupt, callous, and criminal they are.

              They use politics, and playing to their base, to do things only truly evil people could support.  They have sold their souls for the pleasures of power and control.

              1. Valeant profile image84
                Valeantposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                Why mention the same limitations that Trump is showing, that his base ignores, that Biden displays?  Maybe to get them to acknowledge abject reality.  That their candidate is just as flawed as Biden and was equally terrible for America.

                Record deficits, removing of basic human rights from women, violating the basic human rights of children, allowing a deadly pandemic to reach our shores, tariffs that costed millions to regular Americans, daily embarrassments in the media like suggesting disinfectant to cure Covid. 

                Yes, I often attack Trump in the same manner you attack Biden.  The difference is that your attacks don't make me fall into revered servitude to Biden.  I keep my critical thinking ability to realize he is deeply flawed as a candidate as well.  I can openly state it.  You do that in the Trump cult and you get kicked out of the party.  That's one of the authoritarian displays of the current GOP.  You're either on board with everything, no matter how damaging to the country, or you get kicked out and then likely threatened.

                And I don't see how the fix for a perceived corrupt government is to elect someone who has been shown to have committed sexual assault, blackmail, campaign finance violations, business fraud, willful retention of classified documents, obstruction of justice (multiple times when you include the Mueller incidents as well as the documents case incidents), whose violent rhetoric has led to multiple violent attacks on citizens, and who organized and incited a domestic terror attack on Congress to try and prevent the certification of his election loss.

                Trump is media savvy, no doubt.  He repeats his brainwashing over and over again until dumb people are convinced that it is the truth.  Me, Eso and Cred, we've tuned him out because we know the majority of what he says is either gross exaggeration or outright lies.  Trump and his minions live in an alternate reality that we will never want to be a part of.

                If my 'persecution' by listing his many faults and crimes drives others to him, that is an acceptable byproduct if I can sway equal or greater numbers to see that electing a criminal and leader of a domestic terror cult is the last thing the country would ever want.

              2. tsmog profile image85
                tsmogposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                "People who read your posts, who despise your politics are drawn to Trump more by the posts you make than anything I have ever said."

                hmmm . . .

                1. Valeant profile image84
                  Valeantposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  A true independent take on that statement.  Does the left disdain for Trump and his supporters, or the MAGA's disdain for Biden, draw the independents to one candidate, or are they able to continue to weigh the pros and cons without being offended by the two parties taking hammers and chisels to each other?

                  I am going to give you more credit than Ken does and venture the second option.

                  1. tsmog profile image85
                    tsmogposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    Thank you! However, at this stage with the recent turn of events with Biden perhaps I am now simply an observer doing a study on fatalism. I am undecided ha-ha wink

                  2. Ken Burgess profile image72
                    Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                    You have no way of knowing how much credit I give him, so that is a false statement.

  14. My Esoteric profile image81
    My Esotericposted 6 days ago

    It is nice to see headlines like this:

    "Americans seeking relief from high borrowing rates might not have to wait much longer."
    "US consumer prices fell in June for the first time since the early months of the pandemic. Fresh data Thursday revealed that consumer prices dropped 0.1% from May. On an annual basis, inflation eased to 3% last month from 3.3% in May."

    Thank you President Biden!

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/12/investin … index.html

  15. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 6 days ago

    The majority of actual economists from a Wall Street Journal survey think Trump will be worse for the economy than Biden.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets … &ei=26

  16. Kathleen Cochran profile image77
    Kathleen Cochranposted 5 days ago

    Discussions should go where they go without restriction.

  17. My Esoteric profile image81
    My Esotericposted 4 days ago

    I did deeper analysis of the swing state polls trying to take into account the difference between "likely" voters and "registered" voters with the assumption that likely voters is a true picture of the voting public. I also factored in the accuracy of each poll using the 538 poll rankings. I also stratified the polls into 2 month increments so that I would have a better representative sample in each group.  Jan, Feb are together as is Mar, Apr and May, Jun. Unfortunately, at the moment I only have two polls, Emerson and Bloomberg, for Jul, Aug. This is what I found.

    AZ - Arizona is "potentially" looking up for Biden.  While he is running roughly 4 to 4.5 points behind and the first three periods had Biden losing outside the margin of error (MOE), the July data is 3.7 points down BUT, inside the MOE meaning they are statistically tied.  Keep in mind, the two July polls with this and the others are after the debate debacle.  Arizona to Trump at the moment.

    GA - Georgia is a little better overall than Arizona. While like Arizona, the first three groups had Biden losing by between 4 and 6 points, all outside the MOE, there is a sense that he is closing the gap as the July, Aug group came in at 3.7 points down inside the MOE AND in an improving trend.  Nevertheless, Georgia goes to Trump at the moment.

    MI - I thought Michigan would be one of the bright spots for Biden - it really isn't but certain much better than Arizona or Georgia. His averages were -4.3, -1.5, -.8, -2.2.  All were within the MOE but that last average broke the trend an seems to indicate Biden's debate performance really hurt him.  I rate Michigan a Toss Up at the moment.

    NV - Nevada looks very bad on the face of it, but looks may be deceiving. The average differentials are: -4.3, -2.4, -6.1, -5.8. That said, only the first one was outside the MOE.  Surprisingly, the other three are statistically tied, go figure.  Still, I rate Trump winning Nevada at the moment.

    PA - Pennsylvania must be a huge disappointment to Biden.  And here is debate performance hurt him most of all. His differences are: +.4, -1.1, -2.9, and -5.3!!  The trend is definitely going in the wrong direction especially with the last to results outside the MOE.  I give Pennsylvania to Trump at the moment.  Biden has a whole lot of work to do here.

    WI - Again, the debate performance seemed to hurt Biden.  He actually pulled ahead in the May, Jun group but only to fall back in Jul, Aug.  The differences were -2, -1.6, +.4, -2.1, all within the MOE.  I rate this state a Toss Up.

    It doesn't look good for Biden, but Trump is not walking away with it either.

 
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