Democrats, are we in a circular firing squad?
I can’t believe it, we have allowed the aura or stench of Trumpism to affect our own party with insiders leading the way.
We are actually ready to throw President Biden under the bus for one poor debate performance?
While, Trump has broken every rule in the book as a convicted felon and he gets a free pass.
Biden has performed in an exemplary fashion on the job, who keeps telling us that he is so inadequate?
To change horses in mid stream reveals fear and weakness that MAGA will exploit. Who would have accepted any substitute for FDR after his first term?
Now, we are talking about replacing Biden which in itself would be liability. Who cares if he had a bad night, his performance on the job should far exceed that concern. We have people that supposedly are on our side that would not consider giving him another chance. If this is what a “senile old man” is capable of in the realm of job performance, let’s have more of them.
We have a press that is fueling the frenzy and wants us to find peace with MAGA and Trump instead of focusing on liquidating them. Are we going to be that easily intimidated in the Trump world of mere perception, lies and bombast?
We hurt ourselves more than what the Republicans could, of course they want us to consider replacing a competent leader with the clown prince of crime.
Progressives and Democrats, are we all that shallow and insecure? Say it ain’t so…….". . . for one poor debate performance?"
That seems to say you deny the dozens (and dozens?) of viral video clips of similar "poor performances" over the last year or so.
That's pretty courageous.
GAAnd how many of those clips were phony or staged? The bottom line is that he has done and exemplary job. I don’t care what Fox News or MAGA photoshops (or is that the right term these days?)
So, yes my opinion is both courageous and accurateSo they're all fake. Even the live broadcast instances . . . If you say so.
GAYes, I say so
“If this is what a “senile old man” is capable of in the realm of job performance, let’s have More of them…..”
You are red if you think that Trump is adequate in comparison..OMG
OK... so a confused turnip is a better choice to have representing America than Trump.
Got it.
But.. perhaps, maybe, the Democrats could get their heads out of their collective DEI-Equity-Asses and put forth a walking talking not looking like the Crypt Thing alternative.Yes, compared with Donald Trump anyone else would be preferable. That is how I see it.
And regardless on how you complaint about Biden, what does Trump offer?
Deliberate ignorance, graft, moral turpitude, racism, sexism, lies and perpetual dishonesty, anti-democratic and tryrannical objectives and I can go on and on ad nauseum. But, you get the point. It wasn't twenty years ago that a man with Trump's resume would have been laughed off from the political stage. The fact that so many can find such a creep an acceptable candidate is a great disappointment to me and the mystery of the age. The choice is easy regardless When Trump is the alternative.
Trump doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. It isn't about comparison, it's about capability. Pres. Biden is losing his to the aging process. You deny that with the justification that he has done good things in the past. Or because Trump is so bad. Either way, it is still a denial of reality.
GAWell articulated... "it's about capability. Pres. Biden is losing his to the aging process. "
That's a good place to start.
That was the case 4 years ago as well IMO, but it was far easier for them to mask from a portion of America that really wanted the alternative.
I think many of those Americans got a rude awakening debate night.
What might be scarier is that many of them don't care... its about their team winning, even if it means the country losing, on many different levels.As long as Trump still lives and is not in jail, he is the underlying foundation of this and similar conversations, I wont be distracted by believing otherwise.
Is the "past" his current term? He is still doing good things, what past?You surprise me, is that the true nature of conservatives? Who is responsible for the exemplary performance of the Biden administration over the past 3 years, a senile old man?
With his record, who keeps saying that Biden is not capable? Is it a Jedi Mind Trick?
Our concepts of reality are different, you can live with autocratic tyrant under the right circumstances, I could not. That is a defining difference.You make too many assumptions. Usually, most of them are wrong.
Your denial of Pres. Biden's 'issues', even when you (almost certainly?) have seen the live broadcast (no editing) clips of concerning behavior, shows your priorities. For most of 'us', your "one poor performance" was simply a verification that what we all have been seeing is real.
And you don't have to be so defensive, look at the opportunities Willowarbor's tickets offer. You could jump on one of those wagons and save your Progressive credentials — instead of losing them by accusing folks of being deplorable Trump supporters for believing their eyes.
Even MSNBC has given up that ghost. Your reality really is different.
GA
Let's ALL face the fact that we have two of the oldest candidates for the office, and very likely one of their two choices for VP will end up running the country. Kamala Harris? Nice lady but VP material as long as a legitimate president is alive and running the show. Ex-Pres.Trump? Who in the world is going to believe anything he says! Joe Biden has given his all, and deserves our praise, but 4 more years of the most demanding job in the world. We watched Jill almost lead him off the stage, and we are not rewarding the past, we are trying to insure the future. Shame on both major parties for not dropping the liar, and not gracefully looking for something more middle aged with the stamina to do the job until 2029.
The Republican Party tried dropping Trump in 2015.
They tried again in 2023.
The Party is not choosing Trump and never wanted Trump.
As far as the RNC and 'Old School' Republicans are concerned, Trump is an outsider that crashed their Party.
Trump, if nothing else, is the definition of Populist candidate.
I define populism as a Candidate that presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving.
Trump has portrayed the DC establishment... those life-long Politicians and Bureaucrats within it as corrupt, as "The Swamp" and the media that supports it as "fake news".
That is Populist if you ask me.
And the Democrats feed right into it... from Hillary Clinton and her "deplorables" statement to Biden stating on the biggest of stages that those who support Trump are "Domestic Terrorists" and "threats to Democracy".
Its almost as if the Democrats are trying to get every discontented, discouraged, and downtrodden American to support Trump.
Everything they do pushes the 'deplorables' to support him... they arrest him, raid his homes, rig the cases and courts against him, slander and demean him in public... it is the Democrats in their corrupt and crazy efforts to destroy Trump and all they think he represents that have made Trump the biggest Icon Americans have had in their lifetimes.
Makes a person think its on purpose.
How can you create such a huge 'Cult of Personality' by accident?
We always have been. Look at the years when we controlled the White House and Congress. We have always been our own worst enemy, but for a reason that separates us from Republicans: our diversity, our big tent, our inclusion.
I believe in the basic integrity of the majority of Americans. We will not elect a convicted felon. The majority has never gone for Trump and now we know exactly what he is (as if there was ever any doubt).I, as a MAGA Republican believe Joe Biden should stay in the race.
So, he had a bad debate night. All those other times when he wondered off, froze in the middle of speeches, gave incoherent responses before the debate, were all fake. Each and every one of them. The White House representatives will tell you so.
Are we as a nation willing to engage in age discrimination simply because someone has a bad debate night? He was tired, jet-lagged, and needed a nap. He only took seven days to prepare for the debate. That is hardly enough time.
I hope the democrats ignore the congressmen and governors as well as major donors of their party who call for biden to be replaced. It's just not right.
I stand with all those who say biden should stay in the race!Trump also thinks Biden should stay in the race LOL. But I do believe the reality is that he will be replaced by someone who was at least 30 years younger and 100% more sane than Trump. He will have to deal with the age issue that he's been able to skirt so far. I think he'll also have to deal with his sociopathic, autocratic tendencies being highlighted regularly by a new candidate who is more skilled in debate and rhetoric.
I'm still a "biden stay in the race" person.
He has my support to continue with his campaign.
Replacing biden at this stage of the campaign would be extremely difficult.
ALL the delegates necessary to secure the nomination have been pledged to biden. A new person would have to fight to secure enough delegates to be nominated at the DNC convention. Would make for some fascinating television.
If they try to switch candidates, all of the money collected under biden/harris will go into a general fund at the DNC. The new person would have to start from scratch. They and their running mate would have to get donations from when they declared running for office. These are the rules of the Federal Election Commission. National committees are restricted to how much money they can given any one campaign.
There is really no other sensible option but to keep biden/harris in the race.Biden certainly has no impediment to voluntarily leaving the race. Harris will be the nominee and she will choose a VP who will most likely be more popular than she is. It will be an energized ticket that will bring in Independents, the young people and the "double haters". will have another option. Biden will be giving a sizable segment of the population what they've been asking for. And Trump? He's reached his ceiling as far as voters he can attract. He also gives no effort toward adding voters to his base.
People have been screaming for a candidate other than the two we have now. This will put Dems over the top.
"Campaign finance lawyers said the Biden campaign, and the president himself, would have a number of available avenues for the campaign committee cash if he does drop out or is otherwise unable to run — but all would run through Biden.
“Even if Biden is not the nominee, he would have the authority to direct his campaign treasurer on what to do with the remnant funds — whether that is a transfer in full to the DNC, to a super PAC supporting the new nominee or parsed out up to contribution limits to various other campaigns with the balance to the DNC or a super PAC,”
Money certainly won't be a problem.
If a new ticket emerges, Republicans will be weighed down by Trump, his legal baggage, lies, lunacy and abhorrent character. And we all know, he certainly won't voluntarily step aside. Younger, more verbally adept candidates will eviscerate Trump.
Harris/Newsom?
Harris/ Whitmer?!
Harris/Shapiro ?
Harris/Klobuchar?
Yes, any combo will equal success. Shapiro is 51 years old and Whitmer 52. I think Trump's circle understands what this would mean for his chances.
Remember when Nikki Haley made it a focal point of her campaigns that Democrats would replace Biden and Republicans couldn’t risk putting Trump up against a more youthful and energetic challenger?
Smart lady.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … n-funding/Another ticket could put them over the top...
But it can not include Harris... she is an idiot and you can't hide that.
She could never carry herself in a debate, never withstand the intensity of the spotlight... they pulled it off with Biden in 2020 under extenuating circumstances, 5 years of bashing Trump and a Pandemic with riots.
Americans are not doing great, they are having a tough time paying their bills, having a tough time believing tomorrow is going to be better than today... so hiding Harris away and not having her face off against Trump will kill them.
They need someone who can stand up to Trump and come off calmer and can communicate to the American people a positive message.
Biden is clearly incapable of doing this.
So is Harris.It seems to be a talking point that Harris is not intelligent but I see no evidence of that. And compared to Trump, are you kidding me? And why the assumption that she would be hidden away from taking Trump on directly? I'm thinking Trump would be the one hiding from her. She has a grasp on policy and fact. She would be able to fact check him in real time.
I don't find that Harris has ever come off as unintelligent. Examples? Lol did Trump "carry" himself in the debate? He lied nonstop and never answered a question. Are you really going to make intelligence a focal point when your candidate is Trump?
July 4, 2019: Trump celebrates the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence by praising how George Washington’s Continental Army “took over airports” during the Revolutionary War.
Okay? I could go on..and on...need more? The man is relentlessly stupid. And his followers seem to ignore it."I don't find that Harris has ever come off as unintelligent."
Do a search on "Kamal Harris word salad" you will see plenty of examples.
One of my favorites, "A community bank is important because it is in the community and serves the community."
Absolute brilliance. Who would have ever come up with such an in-depth analysis except for someone who posses a well-trained mind.The evidence is every time they wheel her out to speak in public.
What is worse, is she is an idiot that doesn't realize she is an idiot, and in turn she tries to lecture others, not realizing she is the dumbest person in the room most times.
She is a moron through and through.
And compared to Trump what?
Trump is the populist candidate... the man of the deplorables.
So he doesn't have to speak with sophistication or great depth of knowledge on all topics... his audience, his supporters, lack in that as well.
Harris on the other hand, is supposed to represent the "elite" the "sophisticated" the "academia"... but she can't, because she is dumber than a box of rocks.
It doesn't mean they won't do it... but if they do... it will be clear to the world that all we have left is idiots in DC incapable of stopping any of our opponents from doing anything they want.
I guess that is what happens when you live and die by DEI."I guess that is what happens when you live and die by DEI."
BAM!Does being a populist mean you get to lie? Does it mean your excused from basic fact? Does it mean it's okay to believe that batteries sink boats? That magnets cease to function in water? That wind turbines cause cancer? That whales are dying because of wind turbines? That revolutionary war troops took over airports?
Let's consider the views of the people who worked most closely with him during his presidency.
Anyone remember when Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called Trump a “f—king moron?”
Or when National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster called him a “dope?” And Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, former White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, and even Rupert Murdoch all referred to Trump as an “idiot?” (Technically, Murdoch called him a “f—king idiot.”)
Trump’s chief economic adviser Gary Cohn described Trump as “dumb as sh-t,” explaining that “Trump won’t read anything — not one-page memos, not the brief policy papers; nothing. He gets up halfway through meetings with world leaders because he is bored.”
"When one of Trump’s campaign aides tried to educate him about the Constitution, Trump couldn’t focus. “I got as far as the Fourth Amendment,” the aide recalled, “before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head."
And Harris is "dumber than a box of rocks"? How so, specifically. Please elaborate
I find it insulting to populists
to imply that they are accepting of lies and low intelligence.
https://robertreich.substack.com/p/seri … b-is-trumpMe too...
So why are you wheeling Dementia Joe and the IQ-deficient Harris out there?
Ken, I can't find virtue in ignorance and stupidly nor taking pride in not being educated. Is that what MAGA is all about?
So what the basis of Trump having knowledge imparted to him as in osmosis, while educated Kamela Harris is as a box of rocks? So, trump is not required to communicate from a position of knowing what he is talking about, because his audience are lacking in brain power as well?
I don't buy it.Firstly, getting a degree is not the same as having intelligence or being educated.
An easy counter to your assumption would be that Trump has a degree... does that not also make him educated like Harris?
Orange Man bad therefore his education, experiences and accomplishments are not acceptable. But Harris is on the Democrat ticket therefore her education and experiences are good, even if she is the biggest idiot to hit American politics since Dan Quayle.
Secular utilitarianism at its finest, going well beyond the abandonment of religious beliefs or institutions, to abandoning rationality and reason as well.
To hell with Critical thinking or objective truth... who needs someone with capability or the ability to string together coherent sentences, that isn't what Equity is about."Firstly, getting a degree is not the same as having intelligence or being educated."
But there is more of a correlation than otherwise.
You are going simple on me, Ken. You admitted in the previous post that Trump does not really have to know anything to attract his following. You MAGA people ar saying that Trump is attractive to the uneducated because they don't critically think but automatically give Trump credibility for everything he says.
You say that Harris is an idiot, while I say Trump is one. Do we have a Mexican standoff?
I want educated, experienced people running things, not dummies. That is not the message that is being sent under MAGA.
I am all for secular utilitarianism, I will decide what and who I will worship if I decide to worship at all. Not wanting to have the state tell me which and whose God to worship, has nothing to do with rationality and reason.
I am not going to give Trump any credit as being more intelligent and experienced than Harris."Mexican standoff" Isn't that racist? Better tighten those laces before a Pollock or a Jewish financial joke slips out.
GA ROFLMAO - ya gotta stop leaving these doors open. ;-)I do not denigrate Mexico nor Mexicans, GA, your side of the political spectrum does a better job of that than I ever could….
I didn't say it. You did. Why the "Mexican" qualifier?
GAAre you just trying to stir up an empty cauldron, GA?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_s … %20demise.
Here is a classic definition of the term where are the “racist” connotations?Yep, just yanking your chain.
*offering the definition was cute.
GA"offering the definition was cute."
It was so easy to diffuse your argument and point....So easy? Of course it was easy. The point was facetious from the start. But you were masterful in your defusion efforts. Who could ever argue with a Wiki.
GA
Off topic. I was doing my Sunday morning exploring for fun, fun, fun. At The American Conservative website I am across an interesting article and thought of you immediately.
Hogan Is Blowing the Maryland Senate Race published at The American Conservative (July 3, 2024)
A Republican can’t win by being Democrat Lite.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com … nate-race/
"It is now a month and a half later. The latest polling shows Hogan’s support in the mid-30s, more than 10 points behind Alsobrooks. So far from fielding a competitive showing against a weak candidate, Hogan is wandering into the realm of pain where people use words like “blowout” and “landslide” and (our favorite, watch for this one here when he loses) “massacre.”
Alsobrooks is still a weak candidate; the same poll that showed Hogan 11 points behind pegged her support at an anemic 48 percent. (This is in a state where there are more than twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans.) So what happened?"
Thoughts? Don't you support him? I like him and would like to see him come out on top. Interesting article.
I am going to take that in the best of ways.
Yes, sometimes I do try to simplify my message. Those are the days when the brain is firing particularly well.
Other days, well, the dullness comes without effort.
Me too, so again, give an alternative other than dementia Joe and ignoramus Harris to consider.
I will concede, that I must wait to see who Trump chooses to be his running mate, before I can conclude a Trump ticket does indeed offer a better alternative.
I don't trust MAGA and Republicans, so you must be a double agent.
I think that you are being facetious in your comments.Trust me, I want biden to stay in the race.
I really want him to go all the way to election day.
Wow RMN! Excuse my skepticism of a MAGA's motives, but you make a good argument.
Denial... stage one...
Let me know when you get to acceptance...
Regardless of what you think of Trump, Biden is unfit to lead America and the debate exposed that for all the world to see.
Behind him is Harris, as incompetent as they come... she makes Dan Quayle look positively brilliant. Imagine, four years of Harris under the spotlight for the world to judge.
I still remain in disbelief that everyone hates Biden just because he is old. Trump is 3 years younger and he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, not by a long shot. Everyone focuses on Biden' age and dismiss his accomplishments, can the younger candidates have the experience to work their way through the Republican mind fields? You even have Joe doubting himself.
Trumpism is an infection that seem to be working its way throughout society.Only divine intervention will get biden to leave the race. Maybe democrats should turn to prayer.
"Biden dismisses concerns, says in ABC interview he won’t leave race
In an interview with ABC News, President Biden batted away several questions about whether he would take a neurological exam, saying he essentially has a test every day in office. He also doubled down on staying in the race when asked whether he would depart if congressional leaders asked him to step aside.
“If the Lord Almighty said get out of the race, I’d get out of the race,” Biden told George Stephanopoulos on Friday in a 22-minute interview that ABC aired in prime time without edits. “The Lord Almighty’s not coming down.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … n-updates/That's really sad, I watched the first few minutes of it...
Biden had the 1,000 mile stare going, he really does look like he has one foot in the grave.
That was Biden at his best... well... they need to ditch Biden and Harris and come up with a better ticket or else there really is no alternative to Trump.
We cannot continue on with a man who will continue to decline, probably dramatically in the coming years, who has someone completely incompetent as his VP.
We have a convicted felon running for president and THIS is what you are arguing about, GA?
We have a President with Dementia...
A VP who is clearly incompetent without the excuse of dementia...
We have a NY Court System that has been weaponized and makes America appear like a Banana Republic, only the radicalized on the Left see it any other way.
For every American you think is turned off by the biased and bogus "conviction" of Trump, there are two Americans that see it as an abuse and a reason to vote for Trump, even if they have to hold their nose.
Ultimately those convictions will be overturned, as the Justice system beyond NY has not been completely corrupted and taken over by the destructive ideology that holds sway of those in power in NY today.
Far more Americans realize the threat this poses to our Nation, and our own freedoms, than believe these 'convictions' disqualify Trump.
I am certain that 95% of the people who give credibility to these charges brought against Trump were already in the never-Trump category of voters to begin with.
The same people willing to vote for a poor old man clearly in the worsening days of mental decline who is incapable of doing the job in the years ahead.
Allow Tulsi to tell you why Biden is unfit to be President, she hits the bullseye in the final moment of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWn9LzBQGgDo you believe it is possible that if the democrats had taken all the energy they used on trying to jail President Donald Trump and instead used it to find the best possible candidate for their party, things might be different?
TDS is what is causing the democrat so many problems. Their inability to deal with the reality of biden, harris as well as the extensive antisemitism in their party and more.
democrats could benefit from seeking a cure for their full-blown TDS.
I believe they may need an intervention before long.
Yep, in the craziness of these forums, "THIS" is what I comment on. It seems more sane than arguing about Trump or Biden. No matter how bad you say Trump is, it does nothing to change the reality of Pres. Biden's age problem.
Folks that say this was just one bad debate performance or that the president is sharp as a tack—when he's behind the scenes, aren't seeing the same things my eyes have been seeing for almost two years. First, it was plausibly explainable gaffes, then it progressed to what we saw in the debate. None of which are due to anything Trump is or isn't.
GAYou guys can sit and shrug about the introduction of a self confessed tyrant on our political scene and not raise an eyebrow? I would rather have a corpse on my side than a tyrannical dictator on the other. That is how important this is, and if you can't see that, you can no better than the MAGA Trumper types.
Conservatives will always opt for control and power over adherence to democratic principles. I keep forgetting.....-
You are so awesome Credence, really man, I love ya...
I had a great response but was laughing so hard I lost it.
Sorry... I think the response was....
You DO have a corpse on your side!!!
The whole WORLD saw the debate and KNOWS that now!!!Well, Ken, I take kudos regardless of the direction from which it comes, thank you.
That is how much I loathe Trump anything or anyone is better....A theory I considered earlier today:
What if they wanted that performance from Biden... what if they are pushing all the buttons and working all the angles, to ensure Trump gets elected?
Probably with all the damage they have done to Trump's reputation the only ticket he could beat is the Biden-Harris ticket.
Are they that smart ... or that dumb?Coming back around to this...
Tell me, give me the list of things he DID during his first 3.25 years in office that so offend you.
Honest question, I will reflect on and research the answer you give.
I have a long list of issues I have with the Biden Administration, as I am sure you are aware.
I would appreciate the list of acts by Trump, as President, that you consider worth the hate you have for the man.Alright, Ken, but remember you asked for it.
1. I don't want authoritarianism and anti-democratic tendencies in a Chief Executive as it is unfair and unjust. That defines Trump to a T. Regardless of what all the silly Conservatives say with their deflections, lies and conspiracy theories, the crumbs of insurrection led to Donald Trump. We have had no one more blantant in the attacks on our Constitution and the required adherence to its procedures. It is the government of the people, my government, not Donald Trumps footstool.
https://thefulcrum.us/big-picture/trump … -democracy
Second of all, he opened the Pandora's box, releasing the Medusa of racism, xenophobia and intolerance as a norm reversing what could be considered progress in the proper direction. He was a racist and race baiter long before he came on the political scene. I naturally loath the intolerant and bigoted and that too, is Trump to a T. That is another perfectly good reason to absolutely detest the man.
Unfortunately, Ken, this article well describes how I see Trump and his MAGA gang.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-forc … 03949.html
https://time.com/6972270/donald-trump-a … exclusive/
"The combination of denial and paralysis about race is why watching the debate and its aftermath has been so maddening. The non-MAGA audience seethes at Trump’s usual lava flow of lies, insults and self-aggrandizing bluster. No one — not Biden, not any other Democrat younger and in better health — moves to shut it down at its root."
This is my attitude:
"Faced with the primal id that is at the heart of white nationalism and the pathological narcissism of Trump, the response has to be emphatically and repeatedly, “No.” To Trump and everything he stands for, and to the people he represents."
In my response to a despicable man, I stand firmly on this....
In epilogue, I have forgotten that anyone with Trumps record in breaking and evading the law has no business being anywhere near the Oval Office. The fact that so many people seem to overlook that obvious point is a quandary for me. Trump is a poor example in the face of the men who honorably served in the past"We have had no one more blantant in the attacks on our Constitution and the required adherence to its procedures."
I understand that perspective and why you have it, it is what we have all been told to believe.
That's the brilliance of Main Stream Media and the CIA/NSA.
You don't think they are masters of psyops?
You don't think they dominate what you hear, what you know?
If you don't question every single thing told to you from ANY MSM source, then you have been programmed. Sorry to break it to you.
If you believe as FACT what FOX News and the New York Post tells you... or if you believe as FACT what MSNBC and the New York Times tells you...
It doesn't matter, sure one is significantly better than the other, but even the decent ones don't stray too far off the designated path.
So... Trump is the enemy to freedom, the end of Democracy...
And look at what they are doing to protect your Democracy for you...
They are going to "protect you" from hearing opposing views, whether it is about the Border, or Covid, or Hunter Biden's Laptop... if they don't want you hearing about it, they make it go away... until Twitter/X was bought by Elon Musk it was getting pretty hard to get an opposing opinion voiced.
Some people call that and infringement of Freedom of Speech.
Some people call that Censorship or even Thought Police.
One of many issues...
Weaponization of the Justice System to manufacture whatever charges are necessary to get convictions against Trump and many senior members who supported him.
Run away warmongering, based on lies in place, and Biden releasing billions to Iran in another.
Hate to break this to you, but all the things you are claiming that you fear Trump will do, the Biden Administration IS doing.
But if you have picked a side, and the only facts that matter is the political ideology you believe in, and what they tell you to believe, then I guess you can't see that... because you can't question your side.
Sorry, that Pandoras Box has never been closed.
It was almost shut, right around the Clinton era things were getting pretty good for just about everyone, regardless of race...
Then race really started becoming an issue again during the Obama Presidency, as he was near the end of his 2nd term they were getting worse than they had been in decades, police being ambushed in Texas over racism... Obama helped stoke a lot of that.
Then there were plenty of racial issues to arise during Trump's term that the MSM helped flame to heights not seen since the 70s.
That was nice of them, remember that misquote of Trump that they repeated for years:
Left wing fact checker admits Trump never called Charlottesville neo-Nazis ‘very fine people’
https://nypost.com/2024/06/23/us-news/f … ne-people/
That is probably why the media loves Trump so much, it is so easy to take sentences and statements out of context and turn them into clickbait and talkingpoints.
Totally opposite of what they can do with Biden, they have been hiding his dementia for four years, they can't spend all their time tearing him down... must be difficult for them.
Truth is, if Trump is the corrupt greedy bastard everyone says he is, he doesn't have time to indulge in racism, the only color that would matter to him is green.
Just wondering... what do you think they would do to character assassinate someone who wanted to put the people first, who thought it shouldn't be the CIA or Central Banking or Trillion-dollar Corporations deciding what the Country does?
What would happen to someone who threatened to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces?
What would happen to someone who went in front of the whole world and called Clinton a criminal, called Pelosi a corrupt clown, and so on?
What happens when you kick a hornets nest?
"In epilogue, I have forgotten that anyone with Trumps record in breaking and evading the law has no business being anywhere near the Oval Office."
I can agree with you there bud.
But I recognize the corruption and criminal, or should I say treasonous acts of those people you want to keep in control.
Trump's crime is that he pointed his finger at them and made America more aware than they have been in decades of how awful they are, how bad they are for our country, our futures... and for the world.
One thing Trump says that you cannot deny to be true... under him, there were no new wars.
With Biden, we haven't seen the world this volatile and this close to destroying itself in our lifetimes.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jhWSiqyWz1oKen, the problem that I have with conspiracy theories is that they ask us not to believe our own eyes,with either no evidence nor reputable source to substantiate it. Trump's behavior from the 1970's all the way down to the "fat pig" comment attack on Christie reveals the sort of man he is.
These "treasonous" people have run the government to my satisfaction over my lifetime, I won't take a chance on Trump who deviates from the standard in a negative way.
Trump speaks of retribution, revenge and weaponizing the Government to pursue his opponents, which candidate for President who you remember spoke in these terms? Yes, I loathe the man.
One misquote does not compensate for the many quotes he did make reflecting on tyranny and racism.
Obama did not stoke anything, his only offense was being a Black President in what seems to remain a racist society.
We all know that the power of greed and wealth lies to a certain extent in maintaining unjust advantage and racism is a subset of that. Trump knows that as well.
I hold a man responsible for what he says, literally. So, if he says it, it is not taken out of context.
I question both sides, but your side is clearly the worst, hands down.
There were no new wars under Eisenhower or Kennedy, so what is the point? There were no wars under Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter.
Accusing Biden of being a tyrant relative to Trump and his objectives is more conspiracy theory without substantiation.
Ken, are you not programmed toward support of Right wing prattle? Why are we brainwashed and you are not? How is it that you know the truth that has evaded the rest of us poor mortals?
Yes, Trump's Election from his very words imply the end of the Democratic system as we know it."Conspiracy theories is that they ask us not to believe our own eyes,with either no evidence nor reputable source to substantiate it."
That is like the months of biden's cognitive decline into a disastrous debate he will never recover from. democrats were constantly saying, "There is nothing wrong with him. biden is sharp."
The debate confirmed everyone's suspicions and showed what absolute crab the democrats have been spewing forth for a long time.
That's reality.Fair point.
He is no John F. Kennedy when it comes to oration or reverence for our Nation's history.
Sorry, that's where you and I differ immensely.
You support the corruption and criminality that is so obviously apparent today, not me.
Nor do I support war with Russia, or the continuation of the massacre in Gaza... its one thing to support Israel, with limits, but not months of slaughter.
Of course, what occurred on Oct 7th would have never had happened if Biden hadn't been elected to release hundreds of billions to Iran, who in turn funded Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis.
And the dishonorable flight from Afghanistan wouldn't have happened.
As I often say, there has never been a worse Administration in our lifetimes, everything this Administration has done has harmed America.
I am on the side of America and American citizens.
If I think Democrats are the best option, I support them... If I think Republicans are giving the best option, I support them.
Parties change their allegiance and agendas, Politicians come and go.
Right now, both sides have proven over and over that they are willing to sell out the interests of the American people, as well as relinquish their responsibilities and duties to Agencies and unelected bureaucrats.
But for a long while now, the Democrats are the worse, they are beholden to the donor class and the agendas of International agencies bent on deconstructing America.
Nope, took many years, but I am free from that nonsense.
Over the course of the last decade you and I have definitely changed, I have become more detached from the rhetoric and owe no loyalty to any Party... and you have become much more hardened in your commitment to the Democrats and appear to have bought into the very worst rhetoric produced against any Republican, Trump, DeSantis, it doesn't matter.
Baloney, he is no more of a threat to become a tyrant than what he accomplished during his first term. The only people who have anything to fear are the criminals in DC whose corruption will likely be exposed if he is elected again. There would be a lot more Comey type firings I'm sure.I wonder if the left knows what type of man joe biden is.
Here is a video of biden telling a factory worker he is full of S*&^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k2UeoY4uyU
Why wasn't this shown on the mainstream media?
There is no proof President Donald Trump called veterans losers and suckers. Many people have stated he didn't say it.
There IS a video of biden calling members of the military "dumb bastards"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNum4GREWY
Should I provide a link showing his daughter's diary where she talks about showering with her father? Then there is all the kid sniffing, he is more than a little creepy.
These are a few instances where biden was horrible. There are many more that have been ignored by the mainstream media.
He is not a nice man.
I've never been better than "MAGA Trumpers." That you think you are might be the reason you have so much vehemence for 'conservatives.'
When you're standing on the ramparts fighting for your democratic principles do you consider that it is the principles of a Republic that provide that rampart?
GANo wonder why they did away with the Pledge of Allegiance in schools.
... and to the Republic, for which it stands, one Nation under...
Oh, yeah, can't have that.Yes, I am better, knowing that authoritarian and its promotion is not in the American tradition. Conservatives have earned my vehemence and I cannot count the ways as to how.
You all seem to be embracing Trump, what does autocracy and tyranny have to do with either the maintenance of a Democracy or a Republic?
You people are in such a paralytic fear of the left that you would welcome Hitler as a solution?
Republic is a quaint idea when kept within limits. It means that the few can have its will imposed on the many. I don't accept that as an overriding government concept. I have read that Texas is talking about such a concept for its 200 plus counties, where a county with nobody living there would have the same weight in voting for state offices as Harris county, or Bexar, Houston and San Antonio.
That is tyranny, so yes, conservatives are not my favorite peopleYou got me. "Hitler" and a "you people" in the same thought? And the concept of our Republic is a "quaint" idea? And with those thoughts, you think you are better than conservatives?
I got nothing for that. You're out of my league bud.
GAMy son commented on the frequent comparison of Trump and Hitler, wherein Trump is just another Hitler. He used to simply ignore it, gloss over the silliness, and go on.
Then he visited the Holocaust museum in DC.
He has nothing but disgust for anyone making such a stupid, hateful, exaggerated statement. There is no comparison at all and we all know it - any such statement can only be to spread hate, to falsely accuse, to exhibit ignorance. It is only used when reason as left the scene and all that is left is to provide the vilest insult possible. First grade name calling from an adult mouth."It is only used when reason has left the scene and all that is left is to provide the vilest insult possible."
Yep, those types of discussions have nowhere to go because at least one of the minds is already closed. As you say, reason and logic have left the room.
GA
I'll choose the wisdom of age with all its impediments over not-that-much-younger unethical, illegal, lacking-in-character, dangerous any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
An impaired Biden is far better than a sharp-as-a-tack Trump. In fact, at the top of his game Trump should be our greatest fear.You go Joe! I wonder who wrote this, I doubt Joe did.
"Biden sends defiant letter to Democrats, says time to end questions, come together
In a lengthy letter to Democrats, President Joe Biden on Monday says it is time for the party to come together so it can have the best chance at beating Donald Trump.
"The question of how to move forward has been well-aired for over a week now. And it's time for it to end," Biden says. "We have one job. And that is to beat Donald Trump. We have 42 days to the Democratic Convention and 119 days to the general election. Any weakening of resolve or lack of clarity about the task ahead only helps Trump and hurts us. It is time to come together, move forward as a unified party, and defeat Donald Trump."
Biden, noting that House and Senate members are returning to Washington Monday, appears to be trying to head off a growing number of Democrats either saying he should step aside as the party's presumptive nominee -- or are continuing to question whether he needs to do so.
"Now that you have returned from the July 4th recess, I want you to know that despite all the speculation in the press and elsewhere, I am firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump," he writes.
"I have had extensive conversations with the leadership of the party, elected officials, rank and file members, and most importantly, Democratic voters over these past 10 days or so. I have heard the concerns that people have - their good faith fears and worries about what is at stake in this election. I am not blind to them. Believe me, I know better than anyone the responsibility and the burden the nominee of our party carries. I carried it in 2020 when the fate of our nation was at stake," he says.
"I also know these concerns come from a place of real respect for my lifetime of public service and my record as President, and I have been moved by the expressions of affection for me from so many who have known me well and supported me over the course of my public life. I've been grateful for the rock-solid, steadfast support from so many elected Democrats in Congress and all across the country and taken great strength from the resolve and determination I've seen from so many voters and grassroots supporters even in the hardest of weeks," he continues. "I can respond to all this by saying clearly and unequivocally: I wouldn't be running again if I did not absolutely believe I was the best person to beat Donald Trump in 2024."
Striking a defiant tone, he says, "We had a Democratic nomination process and the voters have spoken clearly and decisively. I received over 14 million votes, 87% of the votes cast across the entire nominating process. I have nearly 3,900 delegates, making me the presumptive nominee of our party by a wide margin. This was a process open to anyone who wanted to run. Only three people chose to challenge me," he says. "The voters of the Democratic Party have voted. They have chosen me to be the nominee of the party. Do we now just say this process didn't matter? That the voters don't have a say?"
Biden adds, "I decline to do that. I feel a deep obligation to the faith and the trust the voters of the Democratic Party have placed in me to run this year. It was their decision to make. Not the press, not the pundits, not the big donors, not any selected group of individuals, no matter how well intentioned. The voters - and the voters alone - decide the nominee of the Democratic Party.vHow can we stand for democracy in our nation if we ignore it in our own party? I cannot do that. I will not do that."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … &ei=10Beating Donald Trump...
That is their goal... not improving the lives of Americans (how can they when they are bringing in tens of millions of migrants and giving over jobs and benefits to them?)... not making sure the wars they have helped instigate find a peaceful resolution.
No, the goal is the defeat of America... the deplorable people, the Constitution, the Supreme Court, Trump, his supporters and anything that stands in their way of maintaining power and control.
Whatever his age-related effects, we know what type of man he is: honest, generous, empathetic. And we know Trump is none of those.
That is merely your opinion, Biden is a Swamp Creature, for 50 years he survived in DC... he was in favor of segregation, he was a racist when it was the politically convenient thing to be.
Biden is a sell out, a criminal, how did his son get those jobs in Ukraine?
How did his son get billions in investments from China?
The position of his father in politics, that is how, and yes, that has to be taken into account.You want to know something, Ken? It is "my opinion" as well.
Yeah I know, because you are convinced Trump is evil incarnate and would mean the end of democracy and all that other stuff they have sold you on.
I wanted to move on from him 5 years ago.
But I also told you then Biden was the worst of ALL choices and for all my insights I did not see him, his Administration, putting our nation in such dire straights... it was as inconceivable to me as Pandemic Lock Downs were to me in 2018.
And here we are... with Biden... and Harris... by far worse for the world than a continuation of the Trump Administration would have ever been.Trump isn't evil incarnate. He is a biblical prophecy. Haven't you been keeping up with Christian Right circles?
The Trump Prophecy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Prophecy
Honest? Are you serious? Have you ever really looked into this guy?
This is a short list.
"Seventeen times Biden lied, plagiarized, and exaggerated"
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … e_vignette
Empathy? Hunter makes a child with a stripper then biden and his family refuse to acknowledge this grandchild of his exists. This is his granddaughter. She didn't ask to be born into this situation. How cold and calous.
No, biden is not a nice man at all.
The delusional thinking on the left is destroying them.
17 times? OMG!!!!! Honestly? 17 whole times?
What are Trumps lies up to - the 1,000s? the 10,000s?
And do you really want to go down the sexual misconduct road?I said this was a short list.
Written proof from his daughter...let that sink in.
I am hoping that biden does well at the press conference and is able to continue in the race.
I hope he isn't replaced.I think biden did okay at the NATO summit.
Sure, he mistakenly introduced President Zelenskyy of Ukraine as president putin of russia, but, hey, it was an unintentional mistake. biden laughed about it.
He also did okay at the press conference.
He may have referred to Kamala Harris as Vice President Trump, but, it's no big deal.
Does it really matter that he referred to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as the Commander and Chief? An easy mistake to make.
I hope biden stays in the race and many in the democrat party agree with me.
"CNN Dem focus group gives Biden positive reviews after press conference: 'I think he should stay in'
'I think Joe Biden did an excellent job,' one Michigan Democratic voter told CNN
CNN Dem focus group gives Biden positive reviews after press conference: 'I think he should stay in'
'I think Joe Biden did an excellent job,' one Michigan Democratic voter told CNN
A third voter, who before the press conference thought Biden should "pass the torch," still felt that way after, telling Tuchman, "I think he conveyed more defensiveness versus confidence. And I think we are craving to be able to be confident about the candidate that we carry into the November election."
A fourth voter said "all [her] confidence" in Biden has held steady, saying "everybody has a bad day and I could see that he was sick," admitting following through with the debate might have been a "bad choice."
"At the heart of it, he's a strong guy," the voter told Tuchman.
A fifth voter agreed with that sentiment, adding, "Joe Biden is very caring about people. He's very knowledgeable and experienced. And he's not just out for himself, that he really cares about the country."
"There's no chance that you would be more confident with Kamala Harris or your governor here Whitmer in the state of Michigan?" Tuchman asked.
"Right. Yeah," the voter responded. "I think Joe Biden did an excellent job… I've always been confident."
There were several moments in the presser when Biden raised eyebrows, including when he referred to Vice President Kamala Harris as "Vice President Trump" and said, "I'm following the advice of my commander-in-chief," when he meant to say the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-dem-f … ld-stay-inUnbelievable....
Truly, never underestimate the predictability of stupidity....
"I think Joe Biden did an excellent job… I've always been confident."
Just... wow...
RMN: FOX is a discredited source.
"I think President Biden has done an excellent job. I have always been confident."
The rest of that sentence is "I have always been confident in his character."
Has he been perfect? No one is. But he has always displayed a stellar character.
He has reached that point in aging where is is losing some of his faculties. We've all seen it. We've also seen the selflessness with which he has dealt with his decline. Have we gone so far as a nation that we no longer recognize courage - at any age - any more?Have we gone so far as a nation that we no longer recognize courage - at any age - any more?
Courage is a noteworthy quality that always seems to be in short supply. I had confidence that Joe Biden would step aside at his own volition recognizing his own health deficits and for the good of the Party and the CountryI don't know about "stellar", but Biden has always had character IMO.
It was his actions, his agenda, his entire concept of what he should do that turned me completely off. I don't think he could have done more damage to the country had he intended to. Alongside that character pales. I would far rather have a successful America, caring about it's people and doing what it can for them that a President with "character" that is completely fouled up in his/her concept of what we need and should strive for.
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