The Effect of NO TRUMP in The World
I am wondering if Trump's very existence is significant in today's world.
For the brave commenters here, what if aliens take him to some far-off planet?
How would the next day look?
( here ...
or on that planet
)The 'Trump' is/are rare breed the world over.
Okay, I'll make it more down to earth:
What is the biggest advantage to Trump not being elected President of US?
(or being carried off to a distant planet.)
or even more down to earth ...
Why do some people in this country on the left think we would be better off without him?
Would someone please explain in simple terms we can understand?Trump is opposed to Socialism/Communism/Totalitarianism.
Plain and simple.
Without him, the last free major democratic republic will
f a d e
a w a y .
And then wars will increase, China and Russia will rise to the occasion and do what dictators do.Trump is opposed to democratic socialism of the type that we have in Europe and the UK: When President, he was far more pally (friendly) with Russia (and with China until the pandemic) and other totalitarian leaders than he ever was with European leaders in free democratic countries. He was particularly condescending and rude to our Government Leaders in Britain on numerous occasions.
UK Conservative Prime Minister condemns Trump tweets again: https://youtu.be/QOrk0EKc-Oo
Trump is a threat to free democracy; and without him the world would be a far safer place.Quite simply, Trump has made his views perfectly clear that he wants to:-
1. Withdraw from NATO, and
2. Stop military aid to Ukraine.
This would mean that not only would Russia be free to conquer Ukraine (a free democratic country) with little resistance, but it would allow Russia to then focus on it's next targets as part of its long term plans to expand the Russian Empire across Europe - Specifically, take Mordovia (a free and democratic country) with little resistance from the West, before moving on to conquer the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania), which are free and democratic countries, and from their set its eyes on neighbour countries like Poland, Sweden (free democratic countries) etc.
In a nut shell, Russia's long term plan is to do what Hitler tried to do during the 2nd world war (and what the Romans did 2,000 years ago) e.g. conquer the whole of Europe, and claim it under the control of Russia's expanding Empire.
https://youtu.be/C2dJCJOvNd8I do not believe this at all. Putin just wants a little of Ukraine for the benefit of the waterways he needs.
He is proud of Russia and does not want any more.
Good Grief.If you lived in Europe, like I do, you would know the true extent of Putin’s aggression across Europe; not all the lies that you are fed by the American right-wing Republican Trump supporters.
You say “Putin just wants a little of Ukraine for the benefit of the waterways he needs.” – So you are in full support of a Totalitarian Dictator invading a free democratic Sovereign State? So on the same principle; I guess if China seized New York because it said it needs Port Newark (Container Terminal) for its exports to the USA, you would be ok with that?
Besides, before the war in Ukraine, Russia had full access to that waterway (the Black Sea, and the Sea of Azov) anyway – so whoever told you that it didn’t is telling you fibs (porky pies).
Yeah, Putin is proud of Russia; as a Totalitarian Dictator, who suppresses his people and is more intent on expanding his Empire across Europe than peaceful coexistence.
I assume you do realise that Putin was KGB for 16 years, lieutenant colonel in the KGB before he seized power in 1999, and turned a fledgling democracy into a Dictatorship e.g. After the collapse of the Russian Empire in 1991 Russia briefly became a democracy until Putin seized power in 1999.
Since Putin has been in Power he’s seized power in Georgia, parts of Moldova (with the intention of taking the rest of it once he has captured Ukraine) and now he's seized power in parts of Ukraine; and has made it quite clear that he wants to expand his Empire back to what it was in 1991 (and beyond) e.g. to seize the 15 counties that was part of the Russian Empire in 1991, but are now independent democratic counties, many of which are now part of the EU.
Russia is a constant military threat to Britain, and frequently flies armed military planes in British airspace, and Russian war ships in British waters.
Russian Threats in UK Waters: https://youtu.be/Q-67OEp0KPQ
Just 10 Days Ago: Russian war submarine in British waters, and Russian war planes approaching British airspace: https://youtu.be/yxFMva_JKLw
Just 2 Years Ago: Russian war submarine crashes into British War Ship, in British Waters: https://youtu.be/BU87giY5aTA"American right-wing Republican Trump supporters."
I'm a MAGA Republican and I, and many others like me, completely agree with your position on the matter.
I may be a bit biased because of my connection to Ukraine. But, trust me, there are many non-MAGA Republicans that feel the same way as myself.
You are waaaay off base on this one.
russia believes Ukraine and the other countries once part of the USSR are his territory. He has said he won't stop until the old USSR is formed once again. Ukraine is just a starting point.
"I do not believe this at all. Putin just wants a little of Ukraine for the benefit of the waterways he needs"
Where do you come up with this stuff? That is total and complete BS.
I think you're mistaken.
President Donald Trump threatened to withdraw from NATO IF the members of NATO didn't pay what they agreed to pay. Every NATO member must pay a certain amount of their GDP for defense. Many of the NATO members weren't even coming close. President Donald Trump got tired of the United States paying the majority of share and told NATO to pay what they agreed to pay or he would withdraw from NATO. What happened? NATO members started to pay what they agreed to pay. President Donald Trump made them meet their obligation under the NATO treaty. If the other NATO members don't like it, I don't know why we would care.
President Donald Trump doesn't want to stop military aid to Ukraine. He wants to stop the war in Ukraine. That is significant. Again, he is tired of the United States paying the majority of the costs of the war in Europe. It actually makes sense.
I believe he is right when he said that the war between Ukraine and russia would have never started should he have been president. In a russian television interview Putin stated how he thought President Donald Trump was unpredictable. That is a good thing. It kept russia from starting the war. russia saw how weak and pathetic biden was and felt they had nothing to lose.RMN, yes. I completely agree with you. Ex-President Donalt Trump, actually said what you wront. Trump, was not a threat to democracy. He ancouraged and promoted democracy. Seriously, China, has invaded America 'air space' more than once. And those saying Trump, is a bottleneck to democracy, just keep mum, but are still saying stupid things.
Trump has not stated that he would stop all military aid to Ukraine, but he has expressed skepticism about continued U.S. involvement in the conflict. During interviews and campaign events, Trump has said he would prioritize ending the war in Ukraine quickly through negotiation. His concerns are, and he has questioned the amount of aid being provided by the U.S. compared to European nations. He argues that Europe should take on a larger share of the financial and military burden. Many Americans support his agenda to work at ending wars.
Donald Trump has not explicitly stated that he would remove the U.S. from NATO, but he has on many occasions criticized the alliance and suggested that the U.S. might reconsider its commitment if other member nations do not contribute more. This is not new--- During his presidency, Trump frequently complained that many NATO members were not meeting the defense spending target of 2% of their GDP, which is a guideline for alliance members. He pushed for more equitable burden-sharing and even hinted that the U.S. could reduce its involvement if other countries did not step up financially.Yep, the MIC and the CIA hate Trump... and I mean H A T E him.
Trump is opposed to Nuclear War and starting a war against a Nuclear Armed nation.
Pretty sure a guy named Kennedy was against those things as well.
He didn't fair too well against the MIC and CIA either.
Its also why Tulsi Gabbard's political career was cut short... she made the mistake of voicing an opinion against the MIC and our "Democracy building' efforts like we see in Ukraine and Syria today.
"Trump is a threat to free democracy; and without him the world would be a far safer place."
Now that's a most interesting comment. Outside of the grossly exaggerated "insurrection" of Jan. 6, Trump has only encouraged democracy and the sanctity of the vote. As far as a "safer place", one has only too look at what has happened in the world since Trump left office to wonder where that one comes from.
"Pals" with enemies; have you ever heard the comment along these lines from Sun Zhu? "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" is a proverb from that famous philosopher of ancient times, and it makes far more sense than sending you enemies packing and foregoing all contact with them.It's important to recognize that political differences should always be discussed with respect, especially when speaking about other nations. Suggesting that Donald Trump was more "friendly" with totalitarian leaders than with democratic allies like the UK is a serious misunderstanding of his foreign policy. His approach was always centered on prioritizing America's interests, which sometimes involved tough negotiations with allies to ensure fair trade and defense agreements. His relationship with the UK, while sometimes tense, included a strong respect for British sovereignty, particularly with his support for Brexit.
It's also inaccurate and unfair to paint him as a threat to free democracy. Many Americans believe Trump was protecting the core values of democracy by standing up against international pressures that they felt undermined national interests. His presidency focused on maintaining the sovereignty of the U.S. and working for a fairer global balance of power. Furthermore, claiming that the world would be safer without him is not only disrespectful to a democratically elected leader but also dismissive of the millions of Americans who supported his vision.
Making such sweeping statements about another country's leader, particularly one who was democratically chosen, is not only out of line but also counterproductive to healthy discourse. We should focus on understanding one another’s perspectives instead of making divisive, exaggerated claims.Sorry, but Trump did not have “a strong respect for British sovereignty, particularly with his support for Brexit.” – He interfered with British Politics, frequently spread ‘fake news’ about Britain and was disrespectful to our Prime Minister’s, the London Mayor and the Queen.
And with respect to Brexit he severely criticized the British Government; instead, giving his full support to Nigel Farage, a ‘far right’ politician, who wasn’t even elected at the time - He's far more right-wing than the British Conservative Party.
Consequently, Trump is very unpopular in the UK, and due to the sheer level of protests against him, his planned State visit to the UK after becoming President was delayed by over a year and downgraded (so he didn’t enjoy all the pomp and ceremony enjoyed by Obama on his State Visit).
Over 1 million Brits sign petition against Trump's UK visit: https://youtu.be/a2cOdtDwY0g
UK Trump protests: https://youtu.be/7cHjCy1rbn8
UK Parliament’s anti-Trump sentiment (Trump banned from addressing Parliament during his visit by the Speaker of the House of Commons): https://youtu.be/vELQlgoaDdQ
1. In 2016 Trump repeatedly spread ‘fake news’ that parts of London and Birmingham are no-go zones (where even the police don’t go) because they are controlled by Muslims.
2. In the last two months, since Labour (left-wing) won the General Election, Trump has made false claims that “Britain will be an Islamist country under Labour”
How are these two actions 1 & 2 above, made by Trump, respective of Britain?Thanks for sharing, and putting so much info in your reply. It will be interesting if Trump should win what his feelings will be toward the EU and the UK. It well sounds like they are in no way his friend. And we sort of know where that can lead.
Do you deny the significant increases in Muslims influence in the UK?
"The Penetration of Islamist Ideology in Britain
These streams of Islamist ideology have deeply penetrated the traditionalist and heretofore moderate Muslim communities of Britain, and are expressed in recruitment and fundraising activities for foreign Islamist projects. The major traditions within Britain’s Muslim communities are the Deobandi and Barelwi, which both originated in the Indian subcontinent. The revivalist Tablighi Jimaat, which originated in India in 1927, serves both communities. The Ahle Hadith (Followers of Hadith) also spans the Indian and Pakistani communities and propagates a policy of separation from non-Muslim society."
https://www.hudson.org/national-securit … in-britain
It appears President Donald Trump is correct and many in the UK are in denial about this reality.Yes I do “deny a significant increases in Muslims influence in the UK” – There is no “Penetration of Islamist Ideology in Britain”; that is just ‘emotive’ American right-wing language (right-wing anti-Muslim propaganda).
Not only is your link to an American right-wing conservative/neoconservative organisation (who are biased against Muslims), but the article is 20 years out of date.
Britain is a multicultural society, and contrary to the right-wing propaganda in the Hudson’s report (your link), since the 1980s the vast majority of immigrants (of all races and religions, including Muslims) do integrate into British Society; the Muslim’s in particular, thanks to the Muslim Council of Britain Referenced in your Hudson link.
The Muslim Council (founded in 1997), is an umbrella organisation that represent both Sunni and Shia Muslims in Britain, and although traditionally Muslims are anti-LGBT in April 2007, the Muslim Council of Britain formally declared its support for the Equality Act, which outlaws discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation; and in their support, the Muslim Council of Britain said “The Muslim Council of Britain has begun to move towards accepting homosexuality".
If you actually lived in Britain, rather than forming your opinions based on right-wing American propaganda you’d know that your link is nothing more than right-wing propaganda, and has no reflection on reality.
No Trump is not correct, it’s all just American right-wing propaganda and ‘fake news’ e.g. his claim back in 2016 that “parts of London and Birmingham are no-go zones (where even the police don’t go) because they are controlled by Muslims” was just ‘fake news’ (lies). Before I retired, I used to visit Birmingham once a week on Business, and a couple of times a year would spend a whole week in Birmingham on business – So I know Birmingham well, and can assure you that there are no ‘no-go zones’. Likewise, London is only 130 miles from Bristol, and we have relatives and friends in London who we regularly visit; plus we make an occasional day trip (holiday/vacation trip) to London; and when I was working I used to frequently go to London (for a week at a time) on business – So I know London very well, and can assure you from first-hand knowledge that what Trump said was just ‘fake news’ (lies).
I’ve worked and socialised with Muslims, as I have with numerous people of many other ethnic groups – and they are not monsters, as the right-wing would have you believe, they are just ordinary people just like you and me, and everybody else.
And it should be blatantly obvious that such a statement that “Britain will be an Islamist country under Labour” is nothing more that American right-wing Islamophobia propaganda.
Why is the UK so Multicultural https://youtu.be/Whzkzbqc444The UK becoming a Muslim majority country is just a matter of time.
They have far more children than other segments of UK society.
Maybe in your lifetime you'll hear the call to prayer replace the sound of church bells. In the UK it's not a matter of if...but when it happens.
It's happening now.
In a first, UK’s 10 Downing Street echoes with Muslim call to prayer
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2408828/in … -to-prayer
I've never been to a majority Muslim that I would stay any longer than necessary.
Have you ever been to a Muslim majority country? If not, I suggest you take a month and stay in one. It's a real eye-opener.
Try Saudi Arabia, where men and women have separate shopping malls to name a few things very different from Christian nations.
Easy to talk when you never experienced what happens in Muslim majority countries. Very easy.Maybe thats the plan Mike, maybe thats why they are doing everything to destroy the pillars that make up the foundation of our Christian based society, so that after the collapse (which it appears our society is already in the midst of) we can rebuild into a Muslim nation based on Sharia Law.
I think there are a lot of guys who may find they consider that preferable to a society that hacks the sex organs off of children and allows men to run around as women, etc. etc.
What... maybe it takes another 5 years... 10 of continuing down this Progressive trail we are on now... may have a whole lot of men willing to accept an extreme alternative like Sharia Law happily.
That whole weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men thing.
Looking eerily similar to how quickly Afghanistan switched itself back to Sharia Law. Bring in enough people who are true believers, and then convert over a good percentage of discontented American men that feel they have no purpose that feel the system is stacked against them, and chances are good it could happen.
Lets see what happens in Britian and France.Off topic . . . Ken, how do you fare with Hurricane Helene? Thinking of all the HP'ers in Florida hoping for the best. I have a friend where land fall is posting on Facebook live.
Been pretty mild in terms of Hurricane or Tropical Storm...
Not for the people harmed by it of course, but in terms of how many people/homes affected, it is mild in comparison to most that we have been hit with in recent years.
Hopefully we escape the rest of the year without anything more serious.
Plato's Republic reveals that the most hated of men is the tyrant.
When we find out to the extent we are being tyrannized and by whom, we will hate the tyrant and finally do something about it.Lets say you want to transition a society to Sharia law.
The first thing you must do is break down the mores, the pillars of the society that already exists.
We have come a long way in doing that in America, when you are chopping off children's sex organs and letting men run around and destroy women in sports, you are pretty close to the end of the road.
Add to that tens of millions of migrants that don't share, or care, about the Nation's laws or moral values... some of whom want Sharia Law, some who are the worst elements, gangs, cartels, human/sex traffickers...until it is a normalized part of society that creeps its way into everyday life... isn't this what we see occurring more today than ever before?
Stores being looted and nothing done, homes robbed, children kidnapped or raped and killed and there is no outrage, the media instead of highlighting the crimes and demanding change buries the stories while our government chooses what gets reported, factored into their numbers, and what gets left out.
Where do you think this leads?
Where has it always led throughout history?
We talk often about Communism... heck, Harris may be a full blown believer in Communism for all we know, she often talks the talk... "we look to a future unburdened by what has been" ... that is a duck you hear quacking.
Something is going to come in and fill the void... if Christianity is not going to fill it... Communism or Sharia Law will eventually become the dominant foundation upon which we base our society and our laws.
As I said... its the whole weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men (ones willing to kill to enforce their new order) show me a time in human history when this hasn't happened and I might believe we can avoid such drastic change.
Otherwise, its just a matter of time.But, in America we have a way out. Our foundation is based on unchanging human nature. Men will aways crave the way of freedom/liberty, which the Constitution provides.
I like to think it is possible that the American Way will struggle back. That America will always be the home of the brave and land of the free.
The kids seem pretty aware these day. Maybe they are destined to revitalize the basis of what we have. Maybe they will search in the right places for the solutions to the terrible problems they will be confronting.
Surely, many are being taught morals in their churches and sound principles for government by wise parents and teachers. Is too much to hope that some day they will rise to the occasion and save the republic?
Maybe, as adults, these youth will rediscover the value of following laws, both legal and moral. Maybe they will develop the intelligence and courage to fight off all usurpers and tyrants who rape and pillage the land. Maybe they will reclaim their country and save the baffled citizens who had silently put up with the stupid shenanigans occurring all around them for years and years.
Or maybe a meteorite will knock out the electrical grid and we will loose the power of electricity ...
Again.
I don’t know what the status is in America, but FYI in the UK Sharia Law does NOT take president over British Laws. In the UK Sharia Law cannot deal with criminal cases; and under British law Sharia Law can only be used as an arbitration service in civil disputes (just like industrial tribunals are an arbitration service in industrial relations between employees and employers) – and under British Law, civil sharia Law decisions can be appealed against in a British civil court under British Law; just as a decision made by an industrial tribunal can be appealed against in a British court. Also, the Jews have their own version of the Sharia Law Court – and the same thing applies there to.
Also, your post strongly infers that all crime in the USA is committed by Muslims – which obviously isn’t true.Where on earth did you get that from what I typed?
I am no more expert with what is going on in the UK than you are the US, but when I start out with: "Lets say you want to transition a society to Sharia law." I am clearly talking about a hypothetical, not a particular.
How did America go from a group of Indian tribes to an all Christian nation?
It didn't happen overnight, one culture clashed with another, one dominated, the other all but disappeared.
There was a wave of humanity that spread out from Europe to dominate large sections of the world.
Today the reverse is happening, there is a wave of humanity spreading from other continents that are overwhelming nations that until 50 years ago were overwhelmingly European or of European descent.
Canada, America, Australia... couple hundred years ago they were far different places.
These are stories that go on throughout human history...
Once Rome spread out across a vast section of Europe from the Mediterranean, and then at its end Rome was overwhelmed by the tribes that emanated from Europe.
There was a time when Spain was dominated by Rome, then there was a time wen Spain was dominated by the Moors: "The Muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula".
There was a time when the Byzantine Empire dominated a vast region as also a remnant/continuation of the Roman Empire which in turn was overwhelmed by the Ottomans, Christianity gave way to Islam.
Consider the impact Genghis Khan had on human history, how many other cultures and regional peoples he simply wiped from the map... the Europeans weren't the first peoples to spread out and lay waste to all that stood in their way.
Taking these vast complicated occurrences that spanned over the course of decades or centuries and whittling them down to a paragraph is the epitome of simplifying a historical event.
There are a variety of reasons why these transitions, these conquests, these cultural shifts are happening faster now than ever before:
1) Internet/Technology - communication and co-ordination is like nothing we have ever had.
2) Travel/Technology - you can get from point A to point B faster than ever before.
3) Our Culture is self-destructing... from family values (no kids) to down with the Patriarchy to down with 'Whiteness' to men can be girls to right and wrong are constructs. [see example] --- We reject what made us into what we are (societally) today (Christian beliefs and the moral certainties it provided).
As we question everything that we (our society/civilization) are... we are also replacing our numbers with outsiders (non-Christian, non-European descent) who hold different views and are not questioning every aspect of their society/culture.
Such transition is not always so obvious when one is in the middle of it... if it is an army marching in and killing all who oppose it, that is obvious... but when you are simply allowing in a wave of humanity over the course of many years, in numbers that will eventually become dominant in a region, it isn't.
I am not saying it is a bad thing... though sometimes it clearly is, for the population/culture/society that is being overwhelmed and replaced... I am merely pointing that it has occurred and is occurring.
[example]
https://nypost.com/2020/02/04/white-wom … re-racist/
Speaks for itself.In your 3rd paragraph, after you say in your opening sentence “Let’s say you want to transition a society to Sharia law.” You say – to quote:-
“Add to that tens of millions of migrants that don't share, or care, about the Nation's laws or moral values... some of whom want Sharia Law, some who are the worst elements, gangs, cartels, human/sex traffickers...until it is a normalized part of society that creeps its way into everyday life... isn't this what we see occurring more today than ever before?
Stores being looted and nothing done, homes robbed, children kidnapped or raped and killed….”
It might not be what you meant to say, but for someone else reading it with fresh eyes the inference (linking the two statements) whether you meant it or not, is there…..
In the context of your whole post, to someone else reading it with fresh eyes the impression comes across as it not being ‘hypothetical’ but being a suggestion of what is happing; whether it was meant that way or not….
You give a good summery of cultural change throughout history, from Roman Times (and before); but I wouldn’t say “these transitions, these conquests, these cultural shifts are happening faster now than ever before”. Yeah sure, some of the cultural shifts took centuries, but others as swift as they are today e.g. the Norman Conquest of 1066, just to name one, e.g. the Domesday Book of 1086 (just 20 years later) had the Saxons, and Vikings of Northern England, under the firm grip of the Normans.
But yes, Internet and Travel (communication) is lightning speed these days; and have a big profound effect on cultures rapidly.
Yeah, we do have declining populations in the Western World, the birth rate in the UK is only 1.8, where to sustain a society the birth rate needs to be above 2 children per family.
Personally, believing in equality of the sexes I don’t believe in Patriarchy – but that is a personal view.
Likewise, I do strongly believe in the individual right to choose gender reassignment (freedom and liberty); and I know that you have an opposing view on this subject.
Yeah, in a secular society like Britain, Christian beliefs (especially in the Church of England) is waning rapidly – with 52% of the British population no longer have any religion; but then as an atheist I don’t see that as an issue.
But, all main stream religions, if you study them, have “moral certainties” e.g. Both Jews and Muslims also follow the Old Testament, ‘Thou shalt not kill”, is also part of the Muslim Faith.
Yeah, with a dwindling birth rate in Britain, and across Europe, an increasing percentage of Brits are non-Christian, non-European descent e.g. in Britain these days, British white = 76.8%, Asian = 8.6%, and Black = 3.7% of the population.
Racial tensions reached their height in Britain in the 1980s, which was a big problem at the time; but with all sides working together those issues were overcome, and today we are a multicultural society, predominately living in peace and harmony – And rather than watering down the British Culture (as some always fear), other ethnic groups (including Muslims) have embraced Britishness, and multiculturalism has enriched our culture.
Actually, I like the artily (your link) – an attempt to educate people on how they are subconsciously racist – Education like that helps to break down the barriers and helps greater understanding between different ethnic groups."And rather than watering down the British Culture (as some always fear), other ethnic groups (including Muslims) have embraced Britishness, and multiculturalism has enriched our culture." Nathanville
You get a different picture by watching You Tube videos about things happening in Britain.
" The people have voted against mass immigration for over 10 years now but the numbers have gone up year after year. 700,000 last year. We can’t get dental appointments or doctor’s appointments. The roads are at a standstill. People are feeling poorer but illegal immigrants are put in hotels with everything paid for and now it looks like they will get priority for housing over the English born. Politicians don’t understand what people are feeling." comment from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXtyqZV8Is
" Fight for your freedom, fight for your rights, fight for your nation, fight for your homes, fight for your culture, fight for history, fight for your family, fight for your future!" comment from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnITvONBOl8Then it becomes far right against woke in Britain.
Can't all just get along and be happy?
Q. What would it take?
A. 1. People staying in the countries they grew up in.
2. Preventing the invasion of huge amounts of foreigners who really cannot assimilate. Language barriers makes it very difficult for everyone involved, pure and simple.
3. Live where people can understand you when you talk to them!!!!!!!You get a different picture by watching You Tube videos about things happening in Britain, if those videos is feeding you with false information, or you misinterpret what the video is saying because you don’t understand the background issues, the nuances of the issue in that country, and or don’t have the full picture because you don’t live in that country.
Taking your 1st video link: You obviously didn’t bother fully watching the video; you just latched onto the title of the video - “Anti-Immigration Protesters Clash with UK Police”. E.g. the video explained at some length that it wasn’t the British people doing the protesting, it was ‘far-right anti-immigration and anti-Muslim’ individuals who spread ‘Disinformation’ (lies) on social media to ‘incite violence’, and who then organised the places and times through social media for people to attend to riot.
Taking your 2nd video link: Its blatant far-right wing propaganda (disinformation) from start to finish e.g. painting a false (untrue) picture; and if you lived in Britain you would know that:-
Contrary to the false picture painted in the 2nd video:-
• The riots only lasted 7 days.
• The riots was caused by individuals post ‘Disinformation’ on social media to incite ‘racial hatred’
• The true facts were that a 17 year old British youth stabbed three children to death with a knife. The Disinformation posted on social media to incite racial hatred’ was that the 17 year old was a Muslim immigrant.
• After inciting ‘racial hatred’ on social media, individuals posted times and places on social media where people were to go to riot in protest against immigrations and Muslims – And hence we had a week of riots by far-right anti-immigration, anti-Muslim protestors.
After a week of riots by the far-right, anti-immigration and anti-Muslim groups; ordinary British public, who are pro-immigration and pro-Muslim, which is that vast majority of the population; in far greater numbers, took to the streets to peacefully protest against the rioters.
UK Anti-Racism Protests Counter Far-Right Demonstrations: https://youtu.be/pVkAAVLUBFA
I'll give you that... regarding that particular paragraph of mine you quoted and how you perceive it.
I see clearly how it comes across in that exact way.
Let me bypass that for now, I just typed two long replies to Islandbites in another thread which extrapolates that thought in far greater length... and they may come across in much the same way, I imagine.
Let me focus on your last paragraph:
"Actually, I like the artily (your link) – an attempt to educate people on how they are subconsciously racist – Education like that helps to break down the barriers and helps greater understanding between different ethnic groups."
Its the way they present their argument... with disdain and arrogance.
With vitriol and 'down with the Patriarchy', 'white men are the problem and aren't worth talking to' type comments.
Its destructive to society, to acceptance, to cultural norms... just like I've been saying.
It's like calling people deplorable, telling them they don't matter, what they want doesn't matter... 'and honestly its preferable if you just fall off the earth and die all together, you racist, Christian freak'... that is the core message many Americans are receiving non-stop not just from grifters like 'artily' but from many mouthpieces in the media and in politics as well.
--- what a nice way to spend $2.5kThanks for bring that to my attention: On reflection, I should have spotted those points when I first read it – As they say, ‘two heads are better than one’.
Yep, charging $2.5k stinks; if something similar was done in the UK it would almost certainly be a ‘free and voluntary’ service e.g. the idea should be to educate as many people as possible, not profiteer from it.
And the other point you make is that their remarks are condescending against men; again, in the UK the philosophy would normally be one of ‘all inclusive’, as it should be – which is why I’m against the principle of ‘Patriarchy’ because that itself is condescending against women – the same thing in reverse.
In my view, it’s a good idea in principle, as “it is an attempt to educate people on how they are subconsciously racist – and education like that helps to break down the barriers and helps greater understanding between different ethnic groups."
However, with the very valid flaws that you point out in the way that it is being conducted in America, that particular example is a far from a perfect scheme. But with respect to ‘subconscious racism’ it does remind me of the generation gap in Britain between my generation (the baby boomers) and the previous generations (the Greatest Generation and the Silent Generation) – In that many people I knew of my parents’ generation, and my grandmother; although not wishing to be raciest, and not knowing that they were racist – were, frustratingly, ‘subconscious racist’ – And that did used to bug me, which is why I so strongly believe that education (suitably carried out) to make people aware of their own subconscious racism is a good thing.Yes, here in America we had great programs in place that were combating racism, the government defended those who were victims of it...
Decades ago (half a century) it wasn't that way... but again, changes were made.
Same can be said for sexism, decades ago changes were made that did away with systemic (government and cultural acceptance) sexism.
Issues that existed in the 70s that were long ago corrected.
What is being done today, in the name of Progress and correcting racism and sexism isn't for the purposes of correcting those issues... it is for the purpose of breaking down the pillars of society all together.
The efforts today are to destroy and then rebuild "unburdened by what has been" in order to do that, you must have a revolution, you must destroy the very foundation of what made the nation.
Like Lenin & Stalin did in Russia.
Like Mao did in China.
Unfortunately it is the goal of many in the halls of DC, you can't build the world they want to build and follow the American Constitution... those 1st and 2nd Amendments just have to go.As I Brit, I would agree that the 2nd Amendment is out dated and does more harm than good: But the principles of the 1st Amendment is just a deeply rooted into Western Culture throughout the world, including in Europe – So I think the 1st Amendment is perfectly safe.
Albeit European’s concept of Free Speech differs from the American concept e.g. the American concept of Free Speech is one can say whatever they like regardless to whether it harms others or not; while the European concept is that one can say whatever they like provided it does cause harm to others.
The European equivalent to the American’s 1st Amendment is “Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights” (signed on 4th November 1950 in Rome, Italy by all European countries. Current signed members include the UK and every other country in Europe, except Russia and Belarus – And the associate European Court of Human Rights takes president over national laws in all countries who are signed up members to the European Convention on Human Rights.
Ken, I see your point---- "I am no more expert with what is going on in the UK than you are the US, but when I start out with: "Lets say you want to transition a society to Sharia law." I am clearly talking about a hypothetical, not a particular."
How did America go from a group of Indian tribes to an all Christian nation?
It didn't happen overnight, one culture clashed with another, one dominated, the other all but disappeared."
The percentage of Muslims across EU nations varies significantly from country to country. Overall, the Muslim population in the European Union is estimated to be around 4-5%. Here are some approximate percentages for a few key EU countries:
France: About 8-10%
Germany: Around 6-7%
Sweden: Approximately 8%
Netherlands: Around 5%
Italy: Around 4-5%
Spain: About 2-3%
UK about 6.5%
US about 1.1%
Most EU nations are part of the Schengen Area, allowing for open borders between member countries. This means that citizens and travelers can move freely without border checks between these nations. Currently, the Schengen Area consists of 27 European countries, including several non-EU members such as Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein.
Open borders might attract people from various backgrounds, including Muslims, much like our open borders have brought in people of different religions.
I wonder if several EU nations have faced challenges with integrating Muslim populations. Are they able to assimilate well, and have their traditions caused any issues? Transitioning a society to Sharia law would be quite difficult, as it is a unique legal system very different from Christian-based legal traditions. However, if the population were an overwhelming majority practicing Sharia Law, I could see such a shift being imposed, similar to what we see in some Middle Eastern nations.Why don't people stay home? If you like the protection of British and American law, just fight to change what is going on in your government. In your society.
You say you can't?
Well, there is the dilemma!
So, when you move to another country try your very best to fit in.
Step one: Learn the language.
Okay?They come to countries like the UK and the US seeking freedom. However, they also wish to preserve their religions and traditions, which can sometimes create challenges in assimilating to our customs and norms. In my view, Islam is quite different from Christianity, which makes it difficult to understand its teachings. Generally, Muslims tend to seek out communities where they feel comfortable, and in some instances, aim to establish a version of their homeland within America. This can sometimes lead to division and, in certain cases, conflict.
FYI: Both Islam and Christianity, as is Judaism, all follow the Old Testament; and all have the 10 commandments as a basis of their religion.
10 Surprising Similarities Between Islam, Christianity, & Judaism https://youtu.be/s7StUtopnjII did a bit of research ---
Islam is not directly from the Old Testament, but it shares significant historical and theological connections with it. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are Abrahamic religions, meaning they all trace their origins to the prophet Abraham. Many figures from the Old Testament, such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David, are also recognized as prophets in Islam.
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, includes many stories and teachings similar to those in the Old Testament. However, Islam is based on the revelations given to the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century CE, which Muslims believe to be the final and most complete message from God. Therefore, while Islam is closely related to the traditions of the Old Testament and shares many of the same prophets, it is an independent religion with its own scripture and theological principles.
Islam does not have a direct equivalent to the Ten Commandments as they are presented in the Bible, but it does have similar moral and ethical guidelines. Many of the principles found in the Ten Commandments are reflected in the teachings of the Quran.Yep, and likewise, Christianity “is based on the revelations given to the Messiah in the 1st century, which Christian’s believe to be the final and most complete message from God - whereas the Jews don’t – The Jews faith is based on the Old Testament not the New Testament of Christianity.
We do have multi-faith churches in Britain where Muslim, Jewish and Christian preachers (and leaders of other religions) preach together in the church service – Although and atheist I was invited to attend one such service once (where the Christian preacher was a Lesbian Chaplain), and it was an enlightening experience; especially listening to the Muslim preacher.
So learning about each other’s faiths (or lack of faith) can help to gain greater understanding of others, and breakdown barriers and misunderstandings."So learning about each other’s faiths (or lack of faith) can help to gain greater understanding of others, and breakdown barriers and misunderstandings."
That's very true, that's why I offered research, to show my interest in learning opinion. Knowing facts is crucial—faith as well as traditions. Otherwise, I feel views can be skewed.Yep, absolutely - provided what you learn from the web is genuine facts, and not 'disinformation' or fake news.
I take it that you didn’t bother reading the whole article in your link; you just read the ‘Headline’?
If you read the whole article in your link, what it says paints a different picture to what you are claiming - To quote from the article:-
1. The British Conservative Party “welcomed the guests at the 10 Downing Street and acknowledged the contributions of Muslims in the development of Britain. He praised Islam as the religion of peace and security….”
2. The Iftar dinners at 10 Downing Street and Lancaster House were a significant step towards promoting cultural and religious diversity in Britain. The events showcased the (British Conservative) government's commitment to promoting harmony and inclusivity, and acknowledged the contributions of the Muslim community to British society.
Your comment “The UK becoming a Muslim majority country is just a matter of time” is a false Islamophobia claim propagated by Vincent Cooper (politically right-wing), who on 13th June 2013 (over 10 years ago), falsely claimed (right-wing propaganda) that because “They have far more children than other segments of UK society (your 2nd comment made) that “By the year 2050, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation.”
If you fact-check you will discover that the British Muslim population is only 5.8%, and that although currently their birth rate in the UK is slightly higher than the UK average, that gap has narrowed considerably over the past 20 years, and on current trends is expected to narrow further e.g. the average Muslim family size is now 2.5 children per family, while the UK average 1.8 children per family. At the current birth rate the Muslim population isn’t even going to reach 10% of the UK population by 2050, let alone the 50% that your sources are falsely claiming.
Your comment: “Maybe in your lifetime you'll hear the call to prayer replace the sound of church bells. In the UK it's not a matter of if...but when it happens” is Islamophobia: The UK is a multicultural society where everyone – I repeat – everyone – has the ‘Freedom’ to Religion (including non-religion) e.g. the freedom to worship whoever they wish, if they wish to. To be more specific, the ‘call to prayer’ will NOT “replace church bells” as you stated; that comment is just propaganda – The reality is that you may hear ‘the call to prayer’ AS WELL as church bells, not instead of e.g. we are a multicultural society in the UK.
And FYI, over the past 20 years there has been a rise in ‘multi-faith’ churches where all ‘religions’ and ‘non-religion’ are welcomed, including Muslims and atheists: My wife (although an agnostic) worked for one for a few years, along with our close family friend (a Catholic Priest) – and through that church, they worked closely with the local Muslim community, and other faith churches (of all religions) in Bristol.
Multi-faith Chaplaincy at BNU, Buckinghamshire, England https://youtu.be/8OMAoc3rylM
Multifaith Britain https://youtu.be/bZTVW6Y83BsDo you have any data on the religion and numbers of immigrants to the UK? Were that persons numbers based on immigration, not just birth rates?
(By the way, I lived in a Muslim country for 7 years. Yes, there are problems, but they are everywhere. What there was NOT was a lot of petty crime as it was punished and considered morally wrong. I have seen a lot of articles about the cell phone thefts in the UK, and here in Brazil many people are afraid to walk around with a cell phone because of theft. Mike pointed out the shopping centers of Saudi Arabia but what he did not point out is that you can leave your wallet in your car with the doors unlocked and no one will touch it.)Yes and Yes:
• The “data on the religion and numbers of immigrants to the UK” is readily available from the census records, and ONS (Office of National Statistics).
• Although that person didn’t mention immigration, he only mentioned birth rates; the figures he quoted match those of the census records, which are inclusive of all Muslims e.g. those who are born here and those who immigrated here.
Yep, you are right, it’s not just Muslim countries where there are problems, every country has its own problems:-
Yes, you did read right; smart phone (cell phone) thefts are a major problem in the UK e.g. 196,000 was stolen last year.
The vast majority of smart phones (cell phones) being taken by white British teenagers, not by ethnic minority groups: -
• 78% of the thieves are by white
• 8% Asian, and
• 8% by black
This closely matches the ethnic demographic breakdown in the UK; which is:
• British white = 76.8%
• Asian = 8.6%, and
• Black = 3.7%.
It’s an interesting point that you make that in Saudi Arabia “you can leave your wallet in your car with the doors unlocked and no one will touch It.”; you certainly can’t do that in the UK, but:-
• I know that it’s not uncommon for people living in rural areas (villages) in Britain to leave their back doors unlocked because the risk of theft in those areas is low;
• And, often, when we are on holiday (vacation) in rural areas of Britain (especially Cornwall), honesty boxes are quite common e.g. a farmer will leave farm produce in a wooden box by the roadside, with the idea that if you take any eggs on passing, that you put the required sum of money in the glass jar provided.
Getting back to your first question: “data on the Religion and number of Immigrants in the UK”:
From 1685 to 1905 there are six ethnic groups of refugees who entered in significant numbers:-
• Huguenots (French Protestants), around 80,000, c1685.
• Palestinians fleeing Germany, 13,000, c1708.
• French refugees fleeing the Napoleonic wars.
• Irish refugees fleeing the famine in Ireland, about 300,000 c1840s.
• European political refugees during the revolutions and uprisings of 1848
• Russian Jews, between 1881 and 1914, around 150,000.
European Refugees coming to the UK during the 1st World War:-
• From Belgian = 250,000 refugees
• Russian = 15,000 refugees
• Basque = 4,000 children refugees
• German Jews = 80,000 refugees
European Refugees coming to the UK in the aftermath of the 2nd World War:
• From Poland = 200,000 refugees
• Baltics, Balkans and central and eastern Europe = 91,000 refugees
Post war Refugees coming to the UK:
• Hungarians = 22,000 refugees in 1956 due to Russian invasion of Hungary.
• Egypt = 8,000 in 1956 due to the Suez Crisis.
• East African Asian refugees, 1960s to 1970s = around 200,000 refugees.
• Chilean refugees seeking asylum in UK, 1973 = 4,000
• Vietnamese refugees seeking asylum in UK, 1975 to 1979 = around 11,500
• Sri Lankan Tamils refugees seeking asylum in UK in the 1980s due to the Sri Lankan civil war
• Yugoslavia refugees seeking asylum in UK in the 1990s due to the civil war in Yugoslavia = about 20,000
• Hong Kong = around 140,000 refugees since 2020.
• Ukraine – due to Russian Invasion = around 175,800 to date, since 2022
The single biggest influx of immigrants in recent history was the Windrush Generation, when because in the aftermath of the 2nd World War Britain was on the verge of bankruptcy, and had a chronic labour shortage; the UK Government invited around half a million migrants (and their families) to settle in Britain from the Caribbean, between 1948 and 1971 – to help ‘Rebuild Britain’.
The point is, it’s not just immigrants from Muslim countries, the UK has accepted immigrants from all over the world, and overtime, as circumstances changes around the world, where the bulk of immigrants come from changes over time; for example, since 2022, 32% of all foreign-born residents in the UK came from just five countries – India (9%), Poland (8%), Pakistan (6%), Romania (5%), and Ireland (4%). The boat people (illegal migrants) make up just a small percentage of total immigrants into the UK, and besides, not all boat people are Muslims. This year to-date 57% of small boat (illegal migrants) arrivals to the UK was from just five nationalities: Afghan (18%), Iranian (13%), Vietnamese (10%), Turkish (10%) and Syrian (9%).
Put all the above into the mix, and currently, 32% of all foreign-born residents in the UK come from five countries – India (9%), Poland (8%), Pakistan (6%), Romania (5%), and Ireland (4%).
As regards religion in UK (2021):-
• Christian = 46.2%
• No religion = 37.2%
• Muslim = 6.5%
As regards people who are religious, as opposed to what religion they are, in the UK:
• Not religious = 52%
• Christian faith = 38%
• Muslim faith = 6%
It has to be at the very height of arrogance for someone to tell you about conditions in your own country where they have never lived.
Such is the absurd temerity of the American Right today. All the lies and misinformation is true just because they say so.
~ is it really possible that America could "fade away?"
... or will it retain itself due to the natural borders created by the west coast and east coast? Also, it may be safe from war attacks, as the seas on both sides protect it. We may in be in better shape than say, France, which is more of a sitting duck ... and a weak one, at that.
As Moses saved the Israelites from slavery in Egypt, perhaps America will save itself from the slavery of The Globalists.
How will we Americans save Ourselves?
By We the People keeping in touch with Our Love of Freedom and the strength that comes from our Love of God, Family and Country,
Freedom over Slavery
Its a matter of Wise Rebellion conquering Blind Obedience.
Vote Trump
Those looking to find a Trump message in the markets can certainly find plenty to support the notion of a market buoyed by Trump’s survival and his choice of hard-right conservative J.D. Vance, a senator from Ohio, as his vice presidential pick. Bitcoin and Coinbase, both cryptocurrency stocks, rose 4% and 11% on Monday, respectively. Both Trump and Vance are seen as supporters of crypto companies. Tesla also rose 2% on the day, its founder and CEO Elon Musk having committed to supporting Trump with up to $45 million a month in campaign donations.
https://www.usnews.com/news/economy/art … n-november
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … ck-prices/Without Trump in the world ... the world would go back to how it was before Trump ran for office.
We would go back to the good 'ol days when Obama was bringing hope and change.
There would be no opposition to Obama's vision of hope and change.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/bl … ed-nations
... however, I found this:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/trump … index.htmlObama was the one who messed up America. He enforced the inane Obamacare. We didn't need Obamacare. Medical care was fine before the Obumbler. Obama was the one who established a semi-dictatorship in America. Obama was the reason I voted for Trump. Under Trump, America was fantastic. He exemplified socialism/leftism.
Internationally, China and other countries could continue to get kick backs from kushy trade deals with America. No tariffs.
The economy of America would become diminished and the GDP would slip back to 1 or 2%. The Treasury Dept. would become depleted and officials could continue to steal from Social Security: All good things, because at least we would know that fossil fuel use is restricted. Wind mills, batteries and solar power will become the main sources of energy. Batteries will be plentiful even though they might be really poisonous to the environment once they are dead and buried in the earth. China will be happy with US for buying the batteries they produce, since they are allowed to mine lithium and other rare elements, unlike here ... because luckily for us, we just don't mine rare elements. (No miming permits in the US allowed.) Another good thing: No turbines creating electricity in dams which are only eye sores and dangerous ... and another: no nuclear power plants, because we are not smart enough to man/operate them safely, anyway.
Actually, we need to realize that illusion is the cause of our problems.
We need to get to the reality of the situation: We are all here together and we need to try not to hate each other. If you don't want others to hate you, why would you hate others? Especially when we can help each other!
How can we help each other? This is the real difficulty.
Knowing how.People who believe Trump is a threat to Democracy are the people who are a threat to America, land of the Free.
Dick Cheney has endorsed Harris, what more do you need to know?
The people who brought us the Iraq war under fabricated and phony pretenses, the same people risking nuclear war with Russia support Harris.Its too expensive for US!!!!!
Why should we endlessly pay for this war? WE CAN'T.
It's their problem. Ukraine is a little tiny country. If Russia takes it, (back)
Oh well.
Russia WOULD stop there.
The Russians don't like war either."The Russians don't like war either."
Huh? The Russians are the country who invaded.
"If Russia takes it, (back)
Oh well.
Russia WOULD stop there."
You REALLY need to educate yourself on this topic.
Vladimir Putin has a 10-year-war plan aimed at dominating Europe
Senior Nato analysts have advised the Supreme Commander of the alliance, General Christopher Cavoli, that Vladimir Putin is already carrying out a 10-year offensive to expand Russia’s power across Europe. “We may already be in year two of the plan, starting with the invasion of Ukraine two years ago,” a senior officer close to the group explained.
This chimes with warnings from Defence Secretary Grant Shapps and the head of the UK Army, General Sir Patrick Sanders, that British forces could be involved in conflict with Russia in a matter of years. Nato advisers believe Putin is well launched into his plan to make Russia the dominant presence in much of Europe by force.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/russ … 36411.html
THEN putin will make a move on Europe and NATO will have to get involved.
You think it's expensive for the United States now, imagine when the US Military gets involved.
Ukraine is fighting russia so NATO and the United States don't have to get involved directly.
Ukraine is NOT a small country. It's the largest country in Europe after russia. It is larger than France, Spain and UK combined.Maybe in the case America is very very WEAK. ... like say, if Kamala gets in.
"... Vladimir Putin is already carrying out a 10-year offensive to expand Russia’s power across Europe. Oh, really???
"'We may (MAY) already be in year two of the plan, starting with the invasion of Ukraine two years ago,' a senior officer close (CLOSE) to the group explained."
This may not be true.
The senior officer, (he is not even in Nato,) who advised General Christopher Cavoli might be LYING!I, like many Ukrainians, hope President Donald Trump is elected and can bring peace.
I'm very close to the war and have seen many things and spoken to many Ukrainians who have experienced the war.
I'll give you one example. I was on a video chat with a relative when a rocket exploded in her apartment building. I could see the panic of people, hear the children screaming, the parents yelling. Terrified older people as well as other people seriously hurt being helped to leave the building. My relative had to take her children and run over dead bodies to get out of the building. In an instant they lost everything.
That is but one.
It is too emotional of a topic for me to discuss rationally.Terrible to hear, I wish we had leadership that had worked to avoid such tragedy and destruction rather than goad Putin/Russia into it.
You know my stance on this, I never wanted it and always knew where they (the Biden Administration in general) wanted to take it.
Its not that I supported Russia... its that I support Peace, I support avoiding Nuclear War and avoiding the death and destruction wrought against Ukrainians.
We have terrible, horrible, leadership in DC and the UK today. Biden, Lindsey Graham, Victoria Nuland, Clinton are despicable human beings that care not how many millions die and how many millions more suffer.
We need to be rid of this Democrat led insanity and I am not sure that is possible anymore, the system is clearly on the verge of being broken past the point of correction without the world being engulfed in war.
"Vladimir Putin has a 10-year-war plan aimed at dominating Europe."
That is a total and complete load of steaming shit.
The UK and US really are becoming lost in an alternate reality that is taking the rest of the free world down the toilet with them.
America is on the verge of becoming as out of control as Netanyahu currently is... lets see if we make it 45 more days without our efforts escalating things past the point of no return.
Biden secretly gave Ukraine permission to strike inside Russia with US weapons
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/3 … a-00160731
WWIII begins and Russia will launch nukes on America if Ukraine long-range missile restrictions into Russia are lifted
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/12/europe/p … index.html
This is where the Biden-Harris Administration has brought us to.These transcripts might or might not be insightful:
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript … record-pr/Meanwhile:
"This collective action sends a clear message to the Houthis that they will continue to bear further consequences if they do not end their illegal attacks on international shipping and naval vessels."
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/R … kes-in-ho/
“It’s clear that at the Red Sea ports of Hodeidah and Salif, ships have been arriving without inspection containing high quality weapons from both the Iranians and Russians.”
The deliveries had given the Houthis the capability to target Israel ..."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ … lity-yemen
From The Guardian:
“The airstrikes, instead of deterring the Houthis, are having the opposite effect. In a way, it is helping the Houthis and making them stronger.
The local popular perception is that the Houthis occupy the high ground because they are mobilising people around the idea they are being attacked by the UK and the US, and the Houthis are mounting a defence."
Of course, no Trump in office.So, without Trump, the American citizen will not be first ...
At all."Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are giving another $6 BILLION to Ukraine while many Americans can’t afford groceries and electricity and our border is being invaded every damn day.
Democrats are AMERICA LAST!!!"
https://x.com/RepMTG/status/18391142036 … gr%5Etweet
Fight Fight Fight. Freedom must aways be fought for. It seems this is our generation's fight.
If we loose, our kids' kids will not have good lives. Fight for them, if not for yourself. VOTE TRUMP
The Way I See itwill Israel survive if No Trump?
https://www.ajc.org/news/5-things-to-kn … he-houthisWill Taiwan remain independent if No Trump?
China test-fired an intercontinental ballistic missile into the Pacific Ocean on Wednesday, stirring security concerns in the region (which is) already tense over ... territorial claims (made) by Beijing
and rivalry with the U.S."
"The U.S. remains China’s main global rival, although Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines and others have territorial disputes with Beijing that occasionally threaten to develop into military clashes."
https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia … fic-ocean/
Will the Philippines remain independent if No Trump?
The Philippines and ASEAN members Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam, along with Taiwan, have been locked in increasingly tense territorial disputes with China in the South China Sea. The U.S. has been regarded as a crucial counterweight to China in the region and has pledged to come to the defense of the Philippines if Filipino forces, ships or aircraft come under attack in the contested waters.
https://apnews.com/article/politics-dis … 49b94efc26Note: "In August 2021, China tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile, hypothesized as part of a Fractional Orbital Bombardment System, that circled the globe before speeding towards its target. The Financial Times reported that "the test showed that China had made astounding progress on hypersonic weapons and was far more advanced than US officials realized."
How about that for a thread:
The effect of NO ELECTRICITY in the World.
... lets go back to the 18th century ...
"... Benjamin Franklin conducted extensive research in electricity, selling his possessions to fund his work. In June 1752 he is reputed to have attached a metal key to the bottom of a dampened kite string and flown the kite in a storm-threatened sky. A succession of sparks jumping from the key to the back of his hand showed that lightning was indeed electrical in nature. He also explained the apparently paradoxical behavior of the Leyden jar as a device for storing large amounts of electrical charge in terms of electricity consisting of both positive and negative charges."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity
~ what was life like, all those centuries before we discovered how to harness the power of electricity?
Probably better in some respects?
The world is just a terrible place.Haiti is a terrible place.
"Haiti has suffered more than its share of political turmoil, but the island nation's capital city is spiraling into chaos unlike anything she has seen.
“We had a good life,” she said by phone this week from her home in Miramar, Florida. “My father had big land. Nobody can say they have things in Haiti anymore because the gangs have taken over everything.
"This is the first time in my life I see Haiti declining this way," she said, "going all the way down to the grave.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … 946790007/.. without Trump, gangs could gain foothold here.
Gangs are very bad.
very very terrible.
BTW ...
Note to Kamala and those on the left pretending to illusion:
You cannot reform criminals/gang criminals. They have lived the gang life style, introduced early on in babyhood, to guns and violence. What children live and learn in their early lives is indelible. It is nature. It is science.
So stop with all the LOVE and COMPASSION for criminals and prisoners who you think you can rehabilitate.
The reality is, SADLY, you cannot.In Britain and in the US, we have good laws to protect citizens and those becoming citizens.
Now, we are so used to having these good laws, which we willingly follow, that we are nonchalant about the need to guard and protect the system which produces the laws. After all, our democracies have been around for quite awhile; Britain longer than the US. I really think a certain naiveté exists in the minds of people from these nations. They cannot foresee a time when socialism replaces democracy. They do not understand that little by little we can loose our freedom, our independence and our power.
It has come to my attention that some people actually think that Team Soros has our best interests at heart! These people will vote for Kamala, since she is easily molded. They say her inexperience will make her compliant and cooperative with the Team. This team, apparently, is connected to the global elites who know how the world should be run for the good of all!What about the Koch brothers? Are they just as evil as Soros?
We need to be concerned with the fading away (erosion) of our democratic republic as Marxism is implemented.
Trump's FIGHT is against Marxism, which has been gaining influence for many, many years.
Its why Trump must be "extinguished for good" by those who do not value individual rights, liberty and independence.
Where you say “They cannot foresee a time when socialism replaces democracy.” don’t get socialism and communism confused, they are not synonymous.
Russia and China are communist countries. The people of Britain just elected a socialist Government in our General Election on the 4th July this year: BUT FYI, unlike communism, who don’t believe in democracy; socialism in Europe does believe in free democracy.I see an oversimplifications in your comment. First, the characterization of Russia and China as communist countries is not entirely accurate. While the Communist Party officially governs China and identifies as a socialist state with Chinese characteristics, Russia is not a communist country. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia has become a federal semi-presidential republic, characterized by a mix of authoritarian governance and capitalism. I think it’s more accurate to describe Russia today as an authoritarian state with a market economy rather than a communist country.
The Labour Party which won, can it be described as a social party? The outcome of the vote does tell one that the people are very much on board with socialism. Although the Labour Party does advocate for progressive policies, can it be called officially a socialist party in the traditional sense?Sorry for not getting back sooner, but I’ve been on holiday (vacation).
Yeah, if you follow the textbook (academic) definition of Marxism, then what you say about Russia is technically correct: But FYI China is more commercialised than Russia because China’s Communist Party’s goal is to trade with the West in order to achieve great economic growth within China – So the Chinese Communist Government has adopted Western style capitalist economics as a means to an end – Thus, 96.4% of businesses in China are now private.
Russia, has taken a different route; their Government is not interested in Western style economics; and in actual fact only 47% of Companies in Russia are private, and even then the private companies not owned by the State are very heavily Regulated (controlled) by the Russian Government e.g. they don’t have the same freedom of economic capitalism that Western Companies, and Companies in China have – The Russian Regime may not own 47% of Industry anymore, but they have a tight control over private industry.
Besides, FYI; Right-wing capitalist Governments don’t have a monopoly over capitalist economics; left of centre parties like the Liberal Democrats in the UK believe in a mixed economy e.g. a blend of capitalism and socialism; and even the socialist parties in Europe (as does Communism in China) all support some form of capitalism.
I’m intrigued by your last comment “Although the Labour Party does advocate for progressive policies, can it be called officially a socialist party in the traditional sense?”
What do you mean by “progressive Policies”?
Don’t forget that the UK has always had better labour protection laws (introduced predominately by Labour over the decades). And now it has a socialist government, jobs, and worker’s rights, in the UK are far more secure than in the USA:
For example, just two days ago the new Labour Government introduced a new ‘workers protection’ Bill (The Employment Rights Bill) into Parliament, to further protect workers’ rights:-
The CIPD response to the Employment Rights Bill introduced by the UK Government https://youtu.be/UXurLndbCng
Basic workers' rights - British VS American! (As explained by an American living in the UK) https://youtu.be/7Okb9RSYuLIThe UK doesn't have a dominant socialist party in power, but the Labour Party, which traditionally leans left, holds socialist elements in its policies. The economy under Labour-led governments, when they have been in power, has varied depending on global circumstances and policy changes. The current economic situation in the UK seems to be influenced by various factors, including the ongoing impact of Brexit, inflation, and energy prices.
Currently, the UK economy appears to be facing challenges due to high inflation, rising interest rates, and stagnant growth. Even though Labour is not in power (the Conservative Party is leading), Labour has shifted its platform in recent years has it not, aiming for policies that focus on increasing public services, promoting green energy, and addressing wealth inequality without fully adopting a classic socialist agenda. If Labour were to take power, their economic policies might emphasize social investment, higher taxes on the wealthiest, and more support for workers, which some critics fear could stifle business growth, while supporters believe it would create a fairer economy.
It will be important to watch how Labour frames its policies moving forward, especially if they take power in the next general election.
When I mention "progressive policies," I'm referring to initiatives that aim to enhance social equity, environmental sustainability, and economic justice. These policies often focus on important issues like universal healthcare, raising the minimum wage, comprehensive education reform, and strengthening public services. For instance, the Labour Party advocates for increasing investment in public services, addressing income inequality, and promoting green energy initiatives to combat climate change.
I see progressive policies as efforts to reduce corporate influence on everyday life while expanding the government's role in providing for citizens' needs. However, I think it's important to differentiate between being progressive and being traditionally socialist. While progressive policies seek to reform the existing capitalist system, traditional socialism often calls for more radical changes, including public ownership of the means of production.
So, in my view, the Labour Party aligns with progressive ideals without fully embracing the traditional socialist label.Huh? What do you mean “Even though Labour is not in power (the Conservative Party is leading)”?
2nd sentence of your 2nd paragraph in your post you say “Even though Labour is not in power (the Conservative Party is leading)” – Are you not aware that we had a General Election on 4th July this year and that Labour won a landslide victory when they won 411 of the 650 seats, and the Conservatives where crushed with a humiliating defeat when they only won 121 seats.
In your opening sentence you say “The UK doesn't have a dominant socialist party in power” – Are you aware of the origin and power source of the Labour Party:-
The Labour Party was formed on 27th Feb 1900 by the Trade Unions, specifically as the political wing of the Trade Union movement in the UK; and to this day the Trade Unions have a one third say in the selection of Labour candidates, the Labour Leader and Labour policies – You can’t get much closer to socialism than that.
But I think you might be confusing European socialism with communism; a common mistake most Americans make. Karl Marx (a German) developed communism in 1848; British socialism evolved in Britain in the late 19th century and was adopted by the Labour Party when it was created by the Trade Unions in 1900.
Yeah, “The economy under Labour-led governments, when they have been in power, has varied depending on global circumstances and policy changes.” – As is the case with any government. But that didn’t stop the Labour Government in the late 1940s from introducing the NHS (pure socialism) and the Welfare System that we enjoy to this day in Britain; in spite of the fact that at that time Britain was on the verge of bankruptcy, and had to be bailed out by the USA.
Yeah, for sure; “The current economic situation in the UK seems to be influenced by various factors, including the ongoing impact of Brexit, inflation, and energy prices.” The Conservatives have left a mess behind e.g. the Liz Trust factor, which Labour now has to sort out before it can enhance its socialist reforms to any great extent e.g. the first Budget in a couple of weeks’ time is going to be tough; but in a couple of years we will reap the rewards.
Where you say “Currently, the UK economy appears to be facing challenges due to high inflation, rising interest rates, and stagnant growth.” – Your information source is out of date- FYI:
• We no longer have high inflation in the UK.
• Interest rates are NOT rising, they are slowly falling, and
• Yeah, we had stagnant growth in 2023, when the Conservatives were in power; but we do now have economic growth – albeit a bit sluggish at the moment.
Where you say “Even though Labour is not in power (the Conservative Party is leading), Labour has shifted its platform in recent years has it not, aiming for policies that focus on increasing public services, promoting green energy, and addressing wealth inequality without fully adopting a classic socialist agenda.”:-
• Firstly, Labour is in power, they won a landslide victory on 4th July this year.
• Secondly, Labour has not shifted its platform in recent years; The Labour Party has always focused on increasing public services, promoting green energy, and addressing wealth inequality.
Where you add “…., and addressing wealth inequality without fully adopting a classic socialist agenda.” – I think you might be confusing European Socialism with Russian/China style communism e.g. the classic socialist agenda under European socialism is not the same as the classic socialist agenda of communism – They are two completely different political systems.
Where you say: “If Labour were to take power, their economic policies might emphasize social investment, higher taxes on the wealthiest, and more support for workers, which some critics fear could stifle business growth, while supporters believe it would create a fairer economy.”
To start with Labour is in power, and has been since their landslide victory on 4th July this year:
Yeah, as you say, now they are in power, Labour’s economic policies:
• Does emphasise social investment.
• And as clearly published in their Election Manifesto, does include higher taxes on the wealthiest.
• And does include more support for workers e.g. their Workers Protection Bill introduced into Parliament earlier this week.
Where you added “some critics fear could stifle business growth”; FYI it has not stifled business growth; Business investment in the UK has increased by twice the rate since Labour won power than when the Conservatives were in power e.g. just yesterday, following diplomatic discussions with the new Labour Government, P&O Ferries confirmed a £1 billion ($1.31 billion) investment in Britain: https://youtu.be/wVAYhzBEc4U
Where you say “It will be important to watch how Labour frames its policies moving forward, especially if they take power in the next general election.” Huh? What do you mean “especially if they take power in the next general election”? Are you not aware that Labour won a landslide victory in the General Election on 4th July this year, when they won 411 of the 650 seats, and the Conservatives where crushed with a humiliating defeat when they only won 121 seats.
Your definition of ‘progressive policies’ is spot on; but your penultimate paragraph, again, seems to be confusing British/European socialism with communions.
For clarity; unlike communism, “traditional socialism” does NOT “call for more radical changes, including public ownership of the means of production.” Traditional British/European socialism calls for public ownership of essential services e.g. health, education, water, sewage, energy, transport etc. But British/European socialism has always recognised the importance of keeping ‘the means of production’ in private hands. Perhaps if you lived in a European country like Britain, rather than just trying to learn remotely from the web you might better appreciate the nuances between socialism and communism.
FYI: Since coming to power in July this year the Labour Government has already started to nationalise the railways (State Ownership); and have also created a new Nationalised (State Owned) Energy Company, so that the Government can better facilitate the transition from fossil fuels to Renewable Energy.
That resonates with me. It’s evident that we are a unique nation, and many people don't fully understand what could be lost by moving toward socialism. In my opinion, other nations have had to resort to socialism out of necessity, as they haven't thrived as well as the United States.
Judaism, Cristianity, and Islam are not the religion of Prophet Abraham. Abraham just had a personal relationship and connection with God, as it is with Job.
"Muhammed is ... claimed to have been a descendant of Ishmael, son of Abraham and Hagar, the handmaiden offered by his wife."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
"The birth of Ishmael was planned by the Patriarch Abraham's first wife, who at that time was known as Sarai. She and her husband Abram (Abraham) sought a way to have children in order to fulfill the Abrahamic covenant that was established in Genesis 15. Sarai was 75 years old and had yet to bear a child. She had the idea to offer her Egyptian handmaiden Hagar to her husband so that they could have a child by her.
Abraham slept with Hagar and she begat a child.
When he was 13 years old, Ishmael was circumcised at the same time as all other males in Abraham's household, becoming a part of the covenant in a mass circumcision. His father Abram, given the new name "Abraham", then 99, was circumcised along with the others. At the time of the covenant, God informed Abraham that his wife Sarah (Sarai) would give birth to a son, whom he was instructed to name Isaac. God told Abraham that He would establish his covenant through Isaac, and when Abraham inquired as to Ishmael's role, God answered that Ishmael has been blessed and that he "will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."
God also mentioned that "He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be over (against) everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live in the presence of his brethren."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael
Job's story:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s … ersion=NIVAgreed. But despite all the scenario, Abram/Abraham and Sarai/Sarah had no any religion back in those days. Their just had a personal relationship, that connect them with God. It was an obedient spirit, that God required from every person, to date. As for Job, he must have had obey God completetly, turn his back to idols, and received blessings to become the 'greatest' person in the East, in those days.
The effect of no Trump in the world:
Netanyahu on his own.
All by himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltHrfE_XCeANetanyahu has greats aspirations for peace and prosperity in the Middle East starting with a peace agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel. He believes the Arab world and Israel can live in Harmony. Without Trump, this "Pivot in History" may not happen. Netanyahu says, a lack of peace in the Middle East, will negatively affect the rest of the world, as well.
Similarly, Trump has great aspirations for peace and Prosperity in the United States.
Can you envision a world where the United States AND the Middle East are thriving, prosperous and happy?
Vote Trump.Israel liberates, Syria celebrates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP7lZl_jOoUI am wondering how my day may have been different had I not seen such a radical post.
Some don't appreciate being enlightened by the view points and various reference points of others.
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