Is High Unemployment A Result Of The Democrats Policies?

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  1. leeberttea profile image54
    leebertteaposted 13 years ago … employment

    This is interesting, in spite of high unemployment some firms are having trouble hiring! One of the reasons sited in this article is extended unemployment benefits. Can it be that entitlements are preventing folks from returning to work as the republicans argued when the democrats sought to extend benefits from 99 weeks to 126 weeks?

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image60
      Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      man, that'd be pretty nice. Sittin' on my bum all day doin' what I want ... AND GETTIN' PAID FOR DOING IT!!

      It really doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you pay people to not work, AND if you pay them to not get married (that's a sneaky part of a lot of the welfare laws), they won't get married and they won't find work.

      ... Now the chorus of liberals "but we need to help the unfortunate"!!

      I agree, we do, but we can help them the most by not helping them directly.

      1. leeberttea profile image54
        leebertteaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Oh yeah, they have to help the less fortunate like the public service unions of teachers, police and fire fighters at the expense of the food stamp program.

        Food stamp recipients are at an all time high thanks to the economy, and the democrats were willing to cut funding of that program to help those less fortunate teachers, police and fire fighters.

        They are the biggest hypocrites going!

        1. lovemychris profile image76
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Really? What caused this mess in the first place?? 40 years of trickle down bullsh*t, that's what.

          And what is the repubs solution? Keep the tax cuts for the rich. Add 1.4 trillion to the deficit, which they care so much about......RIIIIGHT. *wink* *wink*

          "Oh, I smell a rat...I smell a rat. You can bet your little behind, I smell a rat."

          Or should I say elephant?

          1. Evan G Rogers profile image60
            Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            actually this was all created via monetary expansion and putting whacky incentives in the housing market.

            Just check out the people who ACTUALLY saw the meltdown coming: Ron Paul, Peter Schiff (who is owed a single penny from a top economist because he was right), and Rand Paul (and a lot of others down at the Mises Institute, like Walter Block).

            All three of those people are up for election / re election, but everyone seems to hate them. Both Paul candidates have been painted as racists because of their WHACKY views that "you actually own your own property", and peter schiff was laughed at on national TV ... until he was proven right.

          2. rlaframboise profile image59
            rlaframboiseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            take an economics class if it is within your realm of capabilities "lovemychris".

            or perhaps it was our socialistic welfare system and policies that helped the less fortunate during the 1800's and early 1900's that catapulted us to number one in the world and made us the greatest nation on the face of the Earth, oh wait never mind they didn't exist.

            must have been that "trickle down bullsh*t". but small minds prefer that trickle up poverty I suppose.

            1. lovemychris profile image76
              lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              You got it's trickle up wealth, taken from the bottomed down poverty.

              Or did you miss the huge income gap brought on by "They elected us, it's their due" Republicans???

              I have no interest in  economics...why don't you take a psychology class? Then you can decipher the mind-set of GREED that has been fostered upon us as The American Dream.

              It's a Nightmare!!

      2. TamCor profile image80
        TamCorposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Okay, I don't know your story, but it's obvious to me that you've never had to try to exist on unemployment benefits...

        My husband lost his job three years ago...and he filed for "gasp"...the terrible unemployment wages that, by the way, he'd paid into for many many years and never had used.

        He was paid $300 a week for "sitting around his bum, doing what he wanted", which, incidentally, was mostly spent looking for more work, online and in person, submitting resume after resume...going to interview after interview...

        In this area, jobs are few and far between.  Hundreds of applicants for a single job opening, even part-time minimum wage jobs.

        We lost our home, and moved into a apartment for half of what we paid before with our mortgage. 

        So yeah, we just LOVED giving up the comforts that we had before he lost his job, and we just LOVED trying to pay our bills on $300 a week...

        Good Grief--It's time to stop generalizing, and putting everyone in the same compartment.  Not everyone wants to "live in the lap of luxury" that unemployment provides.

    2. wmspringer profile image59
      wmspringerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not really. I'm currently collecting unemployment myself (after avoiding it for as long as possible) and I'm doing everything I can to find a job and get off of it; it doesn't really pay enough to cover the bills. I had a lot more free time and less stress when I actually had a full-time job!

      1. TamCor profile image80
        TamCorposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        That's exactly the point I was trying to make...

        And good luck with your job hunting--I know how hard it is out there...

    3. Ralph Deeds profile image65
      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There are 5 unemployed workers for every job. Most of the people drawing unemployment benefits do look for jobs and would much prefer to be working. There is evidence that unemployment benefits do prolong unemployment for a small minority of people who can live on benefits that are less than half of what they were earning when working. The main reason for continued high unemployment is that, thanks to the Republicans in the Senate and a couple of Blue Dog Democrats, is that the stimulus package that was passed was too small and too slow to take effect. Some blame Obama's economic advisers--Sommers and Geithner for being too cautious. Sommers is an arrogant asshole, in my opinion.

  2. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years ago

    In Canada...I pay into 'employment insurance'...ours was lowered from 52 weeks to ?...I'm not really sure.  This insurance is also extended to women having children; they are able to stay home for a bit after their child is born (receive 66% of their earned income).  Maybe part of the reason to extend the benefits is to allow women to stay home longer with their children...before returning to work.  In Canada there is a lack of child care for children 0 to 3 years's an expensive group for childcare providers to offer because of the rules/regs around the safety of the youngest children (0 - 3).  I don't know what that looks like in the US...but there could be a lack of childcare providers there too.  Just a thought.

  3. spikeseo profile image61
    spikeseoposted 13 years ago

    Who are all these supposed companies having trouble hiring workers? Where are the facts to back up these claims.

    I find it strange that bureau of economic research latest report june 13th 2010 shows that there are 5.5 unemployed for every 1 job opening.

    Every report and every newspaper article i read show there are a lot more unemployed than job openings. So i think your logic of unemployment hurting job hiring is not factual. If the job openings were closer to the number of unemployed then i could see your point of view but not when unemployment is this high.

    And by the way i am not unemployed!

    1. leeberttea profile image54
      leebertteaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I guess you didn't read the link I posted. let's not forget the constant rhetoric from the White House on how the economy is growing and adding jobs. Obviously somebody is hiring even though the unemployment rate remains high.

  4. lovemychris profile image76
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Unemployment pays 2/3rds of your weekly wage.....not much to live on with the high cost of America-the-Profiteers.

    I have a friend who was fired and now her company is trying to hire her as a temp. She says no way....she's holding out for a real job at real wages with real benefits. That's what they fired her from, and she's not settling for less......

    And why should she? All they're trying to do is scale down the wages....screw them! Let the fat-cats do all the work since they don't want to pay.

    We need more people like her to stand up for the American worker...not global corporate companies who care nothing for the lives of people they employ. Living wage or none at all!!

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image60
      Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      the reason they're scaling down wages is because there's a bit of deflation going on. there's, strangely, less money in these sectors (because people aren't buying the goods/services in question), and thus they simply can't pay people.

      Most likely what's happening is that real wages are gradually re-adjusting - people will be paid less, but their money will be worth more...

      ... until the monetary inflation catches up.

      It's interesting because deflation is happening side by side with monetary inflation. I'm guessing that the extra money is being funneled into a certain area and one day the dam will burst.

      Everyone's asking if there's going to be a "double dip recession", but they seem to have forgotten that it's actually going to be a triple dip - everyone seems to have forgotten the tech bubble in 2001. I got a feeling this third one is going to be rea~~~lly bad.

  5. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 13 years ago

    I think there's plenty of blame to go around. It was sort of a perfect storm.

  6. Cagsil profile image69
    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    And, unfortunate, no seems to be understanding that Congress and all other politicians refuse to address the underlying issue. hmm

  7. Misha profile image64
    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    Surely not only Democratic policies. Republican policies did as much...

  8. profile image57
    the new leftposted 13 years ago

    Democratic policies driving this high unemployment are you serious, no really?. The stimulus created jobs and saved some more but in the end i think we shoould have made it bigger. Hey if you think those tax cuts for the rich is what the economy needs then go ahead and vote for the gop but if you want the country to progress then vote for democrats.

    For this same reason i blogged i give up on america for the fact the right can't and will not see the right does not offer anyone but the rich anything good. It is the democrats who are pulling us out the recession but the right is too blind to see it happen.

  9. Pandoras Box profile image60
    Pandoras Boxposted 13 years ago

    It wasn't just the housing bubble and bad lending that caused this. Money flows upwards naturally. A part of it then -theoretically- flows back down via taxes, charity and reinvestment in the people via business ventures. If the folks at the top choose to reinvest their returns elsewhere -as in foreign business pursuits and moving existing facilities and pursuits out of the country as well, then the moneys which were formerly invested at home are simply gone, for all practical purposes to the folks at the bottom. Additionally a good deal of their tax dollars are gone as well. Leaving the folks at the bottom with little left to live on besides charity.

    Habee has it right. It was a perfect storm. Many trends from the last few decades all caught up with us at once.

  10. rebekahELLE profile image83
    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

      yes, that would be nice in a more ideal employment climate, but now small businesses and companies are hiring more temps because they can't afford to give new hires benefits.
    the large corporations keep outsourcing taking away both skilled and unskilled job positions not only taking away jobs that are needed here now, but evading taxes. those corps. should be taxed for outsourcing and rewarded for keeping jobs here in our country.

    1. Misha profile image64
      Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am not a big corporation Rebekah, in fact I am not a corporation at all - and I outsource my job positions. I cannot afford an American worker. Do you know what cannot afford mean? If you try to tax me for outsourcing, so my employment related costs get comparable with me hiring American workers, I either go bankrupt or move my company offshore. Either way you lose all the taxes I pay now.

      1. rebekahELLE profile image83
        rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        I'm not referring to non-corporations Misha. I'm talking about big corporations and some private sector corporations that outsource jobs, displacing a lot of workers who aren't trained for re-entering the work force. this takes more money to train them in an already bleak employment environment. white collar workers are competing for some of the same jobs as blue collar workers. who is that company going to hire?
        I've studied all the reasons for outsourcing and what the economists say.. and yet who is going to buy the products and pay for the services that are now done off shore if they don't have a job to pay for them?
        there's something disconcerting about calling customer support for an American company and talking to someone I can barely understand in the Philippines or India..
        while corporations continue to outsource jobs monthly.
        something is just not right about it and it indeed has affected a segment of the unemployed and displaced worker.

        1. Misha profile image64
          Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I don't see why being a corporation or not matters at all in this regard. Their margins are not better than mine, in fact my margins are probably better.

          Nobody can afford American workers now, you guys priced yourselves way out of the world labor market with minimal wages, social benefits, and union bargaining power. Greed, as everybody keeps repeating. Employees' greed is ruining America. smile

          1. alternate poet profile image68
            alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I have to take issue with the last part of your post.   The labour market were sold down the river by profiteering labour bosses - but they were sold out to the employers.

            Labour prices are a result of imbalance between the perceived market (expected standards of living etc) and the real market (where the US has been borrowing to artificially fund its economy for ten years or more).

            labour is stuck with a minimum it needs to survive and wages that are less than that at the bottom. The employers are ok because they can use cheap illegal labour (which is why this issue is not being solved).  and of course online people like yourself (and me I suppose) can source anywhere in the world.

            This is an issue of macro-economics where greed and a declining economy meet.

            1. Misha profile image64
              Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Not sure what exactly your issues are - our positions don't seem to be far away - or I possibly misunderstood what you said. smile

              1. alternate poet profile image68
                alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                No we are not far away - I thought you were blaming the workers for their high wages, I was pointing out where the cause lay.

                1. Misha profile image64
                  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, I was blaming the workers. I guess Rebekah is right and I got lost in Es and Rs at the end. smile

                  So, to reiterate, I do think that the generations of workers are to blame for their greed which led to labor costs that businesses cannot afford - of course if you need to blame somebody. smile

                  1. Ralph Deeds profile image65
                    Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    Not to mention what Goldmine Sucks executives get for "doing God's work!" And ordinary bureaucratic, non-entrepreneurial CEOs who make 200 times what their workers make, and when they screw up leave with a $10 million golden parachute.

          2. Ralph Deeds profile image65
            Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            American free trade policies supported by both parties, more than any other single factor, are responsible for the decline in high paying manufacturing jobs that have been sent to China, Cambodia, Mexico, Bangladesh and other low wage countries. WalMart has been responsible for more job losses and bankruptcies of American companies by it's Buy China policies. American workers can hardly be expected to compete with Chinese workers making $1/hour in unsafe, polluting plants. In some industries China is losing jobs to Cambodia where workers get 30 cents an hour.

            1. luvpassion profile image61
              luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              The cost of living is much cheaper...I met a woman from China while in Okinawa that said we would be considered rich living on a serviceman's salary.


              1. Ralph Deeds profile image65
                Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                True but, despite this, the standard of living is also much lower.

  11. C.A. Johnson profile image70
    C.A. Johnsonposted 13 years ago

    First off, the employers that are having problems with hiring are mostly offering way below fair market wage. Some of these employers expect you to relocate internationally for roughly $30k a year. People who are barely making the bills on unemployment cannot afford to take a job that pays less than unemployment. those people collecting unemployment that have families are not currently paying for daycare, transportation, and the other hundred little things that are involved with a job.

    To accept a job that pays below what they are collecting on unemployment with the addition of child care, gas, uniforms, etc. makes it even harder to make the rent let alone the rest of the bills.

    Unemployment is the result of a major loss of industrial infrastructure. We no longer manufacture the items we once did. Everything right down to legal services is being outsourced to other countries. Until we can get regulation in place that bring business and employment back within US borders we will continue on the current trend.

    We need to go back to manufacturing our clothing, shoes, carpets, bedding, electronics, automobiles, and the countless other things that we once made here in America. Once the government loosens the purse strings that enable those of us searching for ways to recreate that infrastructure then jobs will follow.

    1. rlaframboise profile image59
      rlaframboiseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      eliminate all income taxes, change the ridiculous foreign policy, put America first, problem solved.

  12. Sweetsusieg profile image75
    Sweetsusiegposted 13 years ago

    Isn't it possible that the people themselves created this problem?  Wanting something for nothing?  Wanting the Gov't to take care of them?  Demanding results?  Just a thought...

  13. rebekahELLE profile image83
    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    I think you forgot the 'r' on the end of 'employees'...  of course companies can afford to hire Americans. but they're going where it costs them the least amount of $, taking advantage of tax loopholes. that has to change.
    there's nothing wrong with a unskilled or skilled worker expecting to receive a livable wage/salary in this country.

    it's these huge multi-national companies that are running the show.

    1. TamCor profile image80
      TamCorposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree--some of the jobs my husband applied for were offering wages that were the same as he was making 30 years's insane!

    2. Misha profile image64
      Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I got lost in those complex words smile

      No, the vast majority of companies cannot afford American workers. They are too expensive. And I told you what will happen when you tax this. smile

      1. TamCor profile image80
        TamCorposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        The most common wage employers have been offering around here is $8-$10 an hour, some even less.  I wouldn't call those wages too expensive. smile

        The vast majority of EMPLOYEES cannot afford to work for what these companies are offering! smile

  14. Ralph Deeds profile image65
    Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago

    Unemployment compensation is not a "Democratic policy." It has been supported by both parties as effective and necessary since World War II. However, the benefit extensions in the current recession have been passed by Democrats over GOP opposition. In previous recessions, none as deep and prolonged as the current one, unemployment benefit extensions have been passed almost routinely with bi-partisan support--on humanitarian grounds and because of their counter-cyclical effect.

  15. Mighty Mom profile image76
    Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

    Which Democratic policies are you (OP) referring to?
    High unemployment is, as mentioned several posts ago, due to America's shift from being a labor-intensive manufacturing society to being a service-based economy.
    We've lost (some temporarily, some forever) entire industries that employed MILLIONS of Americans.
    The Internet is also part of the problem.
    American companies don't even have to outsource in a physical sense. They can outsource in a virtual sense to workers anywhere in the world.

    I would really like to hear what sparked this thread.


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