The Beginning of the End of the Tea Party

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CLake46posted 11 years ago
Polls show 50% of Republicans would not vote for any TP or GOP in the run for the presidential nominee at this time. They say they don't know who half those people are. Gotta love it!!!

Bachmann is now trying to tell seniors President Obama gave the tax cuts to the rich in Dec. 2010. Good luck with that Zombie, she ran on cutting taxes for the rich & there's a lot of live footage that will be broadcast again & again.

What happened to Paul Ryan? Is he now backing down from his plan since he got hell at his townhall & probably the thought of not getting re-elected. Wisconsin voters have more than enough signatures to recall 3 Senate Republicans & they're starting on #4. The only need 3 to take control back but they're going for 6. WE STAND WITH YOU WISCONSIN!!!
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Who did that poll? MSNBC? NPR? Huffington post? you gotta laugh!
  
  I guess you need that wishful thinking. and a lot of the union people were at the town hall. Do you wanna bet not one gets recalled? maybe the ones who jumped ship and played hookey like children and did not do what they are paid to do.
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Don't get pissed with me because your TP & GOP polls are down. That's what happens when you have a bunch of crazy racist hypocrites running for office. There are truly some good Republicans who care about people & a CBS Poll shows it. I suppose now you'll have something bad to say about CBS. Did you enjoy the Paul Ryan townhall? It was awesome & it's on youtube, even his own constituents gave him hell. If you stop watching FOX you might actually see what the majority of the people in America want.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  which polls? you never answered the question? Personally I do not care about the TP but to spread BS polls from MSNBC or some other left wing media propaganda channel is useless, Didn't you guys say you would win in the last election also? I do believe so. what happened again....remind me, how did that work out? As far as your town hall, like I stated many union members who were busted from the last a$$ whipping they took went there to make a spectacle. You were burned the last election and this one will be even worse as everything has gotten even worse! Also how come any of you will not bring up that the white house tried to get S&P to not come out with the negative rating? If that was the right you would have been screaming bloody murder along with the left wing news. funny how that doesn't get much play? strange....things that make you say hmmmmmmmmm
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If you read my last comment, I wrote it was a CBS Poll. Like I said before you would see I'm right if you were not in denial. Funny how you never show proof of anything & demand it from others who don't agree with you. Are the Koch bros paying you too? Looks like the kochs will have to keep busing TP's from state to state to make rallies look like a crowd.
  I love that more Republicans & the TP are getting hell from constituents like Ryan. Did they really think seniors would agree to get rid of Medicare? There are actually good Republicans who really care about what will happen to the future genration. Sorry your upset & disappointed, you can't always get what you want.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Is George soros paying you? George Soros have given more money to left socialist organizations. Tides foundation, Apollo, and countless others including funding NPR etc... Soro's is much worse than Koch! if you weren't such a puppet and actually checked into facts you might be enlightened. I'm not in denial actually you are. You can not even see the obvious. The democrats are causing these problems and want a lot of unemployment and then extend unemployment insurance from 26 weeks to 2 years, Welfare and other social programs so more people depend on the government and thanks to the savior who gave them these extended Unemployment benefits and welfare vote for them again. They portray the right as evil and have the media in their pocket etc... But people are so stupid they can not see the actual truth! If the right was all for corporations why would they want to collapse the economy? that would hurt everyone including the evil rich! would never happen! keep taking the koolaid. have you ever actually checked Soros? The Chinese chief commanders in their military call him a financial terrorist! that is not a political statement either. This man collapse a few currencies the UK included. but you wouldn't know about this! It is way more than you can even fathom.
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Why would republicans collapse the economy? That's what we want to know, they are the cause of this mess. Thanks Bush!!! Kind hearted republicans(48%) agree to raise taxes on the rich & cut tax loopholes. More republicans who voted for Ryan's plan get hell at townhalls!!!
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ryan is governing by 'Atlas Shrugged'!
  
  He makes his staff read it!!
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recommend1posted 11 years ago
I would say that this thread is full of trolls and most of them are the same person. Isn't HP patrolling for this kind of paid political posting BS ?
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you all see what I mean? There are many small minds here. This small mind cannot stand a differing opinion. Yes recommend, I mean you.
  
  You are probably a real tough guy in real life.
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  recommend1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Differing opinions are what are required, unfortunately the mark of the troll is that it has no opinion - just personal attacks.
  
  Yes sn53anao or whatever, I mean you.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  An yet you offered nothing.
  
  One can only imagine how difficult it must be to live as you do.
  
  Have a nice day.
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  recommend1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm I wonder which banned troll you are - maybe TK ? but you don't have quite his grasp of sharp meaningless post. maybe a second character for Danny ? I wonder
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Recommend. Every now and again I know I must fire a poster. You are fired. Let's not be friends.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Another left wing person who makes stupid claims without any proof what so ever! do you people ever do any checking before spreading stupid assumptions? Like I stated a few times why don't you ask Hubpages if I have any other accounts or if the IP address matches. Or you can take all of the posts and see if you can figure it out with your sharp mind. clueless
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  As somebody said there's an unlimited supply of people like you.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I wish there was. We would be in much better shape I will say that. you spew nonsense without any facts and the Arizona nut proves that since he was a democrat!
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think we have seen what people like you can do to the economy. Everyone except the rich got screwed with this disaster republicans created. Better shape? What world do you live in? Sorry you're parties are disappointing & upsetting you.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  SAD how you truly believe all the nonsense and half truths! you need to actually do some homework and please don't lie and say you have. Keep getting your info from MSNBC, huffington post NPR and the rest of the propaganda machine! If you actually thought logically you would see that it is nonsense! You do realize if the dollar crashed the rich would lose more than even the poor....right, You do really understand that...correct? If you have $100.00 and the rich have a million and the dollar crashes money is worthless! so would it matter? we would be a third rate country.
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  recommend1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Which particular character were you at that time when you 'stated several times' ?
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  just proved again how your mind works. assuming and accusing because you can not base your statements with actual facts. do some detective work inspector gadget.
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  recommend1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh there we go - must use personal insults, the normal mark of a troll. Come on, just a few more comments and I will probably be able to remember your previous incarnation(s).
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  you believe in conspiracy theories also? why don't you ask HP. Funny how you accuse of insults when this is your MO. maybe I', really LMC or even lady love she hasn't been on for a while maybe its me? maybe I'm you also?
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Where's your proof? If you did detective work you would get all the proof you need but you continue to be in denial.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you even have a clue what this is all about? I bet you don't. If you did you would not have wrote a ridiculous statement as you have. All you people just try and twist the truth and spew nonsense. If you want to respond please be able to answer the actual question that started with DEEDS. If you do not know please don't respond and look foolish. Thanks.
  
  If you want to reply to the post in question please go way back and see where it started and then reply. Thank you
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I will be just like your com-padre's YOU MUST BE A TROLL!!! YOU HAVE NO HUBS!!!! YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY!
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"maybe I'm really LMC"

Oh Lord, get my vapors!! I've fainted!!
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Doug Hughesposted 11 years ago
Three more posts puts this over 700.

C'mon teabaggers. I know you have some pent-up outrage left.

I'm goin' for the record.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Doug can't count! This ones number 700
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Unless of course you aren't counting the OP in which case this is 700.
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, John.
  
  And I was not counting the OP.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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sn53Anonposted 11 years ago
Union Thugs are cool.

I just watched a half dozen videos of union thugs getting into the faces of taxpayers. Union thugs are cool. I think I shall write a hub about how to become a public sector union thug.
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, those elementary school teachers are brutes.
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  For history buffs - when fascism was on the rise in Italy, they went after unions. In Germany, they made scapegoat of the Jews. The Tea Party is recycling ideas that worked.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe the problem is your incomplete understanding of history.
  
  Did public sector unions exist in NAZI Germany or fascist Italy? No. They did not. But the exist today. They are allied with their democrat politicians against the taxpayer.
  
  I will be delighted if we are able to destroy the alliance between the public sector unions that take taxpayer dollars and give them to their leash holders.
  
  But that is just me.
  
  I have started my hub on how to become a public sector union thug. There seem to be plenty of experts here. Do any of you want to help me write it?
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No unions existed in Nazi Germany, the Nazis prohibited them.
  
  Most, if not all, union members are taxpayers.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Union members - taxpayers. Was that the point?
  
  When did public sector unions become all the rage? And when did democratic politicians see an opportunity for creating a massive money laundering scheme where taxpayers would pay public sector unions their wages. Part of those wages would be given to the union bosses, who in turn would give the funds to democrats who promised greater benefits at the expense of the taxpayer?
  
  And therein lies the problem. We now have a history of corruption involving democrat politicians and public sector unions. It is time for both to go.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You mean in the US the government pays the unions who then pass the wages on to the members!
  Madness, I'm not surprised you get wound up about it.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well, no. It is the unholy and corrupt alliance between unions and democratic politicians at the expense of the taxpayer that is the crux of our problem.
  
  Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for you.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, I see, thank you.
  
  And what about the corrupt and unholy alliance between corporations and republican politicians at the expense of taxpayers?
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi John,
  
  You wrote, "And what about the corrupt and unholy alliance between corporations and republican politicians at the expense of taxpayers?"
  
  How does that work? I have given you the mechanism behind my complaint.
  
  Can a corporation compel me to do anything? No. Do I have to buy what a corporation is selling me? No. Does a corporation have any power over me? Only that which I have contractually agreed to. And that comes after a cost-benefit analysis. With democrats and public sector unions I have no such choice. They plunder the taxpayer and the taxpayer has no recourse. Untill now.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nowt to do with you being compelled to buy anything.
  
  I'm more concerned with corporate influence on government, you know, big tax breaks, huge non-competitive contracts handed out to the likes of Haliburton, jobs for the boys and all that.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi John,
  
  You wrote, "'m more concerned with corporate influence on government, you know, big tax breaks, huge non-competitive contracts handed out to the likes of Haliburton, jobs for the boys and all that."
  
  Let's see what we can agree on. We need to eliminate our current tax collection scheme. There are way too many opportunities for mischief when we giver lawmakers the ability to make different laws for different people. That is what we have today. Each year there are thousands of pages of changes in the tax code. This needs to stop.
  
  Now how do we do it. One amendment must be repealed. No more tax on incomes.Change to a consumption tax so that a change on any becomes a change on all. It will be the fairest way to raise revenues and will take power away from federal politicians.
  
  I read what I could find about Haliburton and the non-competitive contracts. Based on what I read the contracts sounded more like contract vehicles for Indefinite Delivery and Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) work. The government is not quite sure how much of something it wants or when it will want it. After the IDIQ contract is won, often by two or more companies, the individual components of the work may be given through task orders or delivery orders. Those happen all of the time because it is to the government's advantage to do so.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes they are...and the huge assault rifles they carry gives you the idea of what they really mean by "taking back power", IMO.
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Mighty Momposted 11 years ago
Now this is downright weird.
Leave a thread for several hours. Come back and read the EXACT same posts as I read before I left.
The only thing that has changed is that each sub-argument seems to have shifted by exactly one participant.
It's like the earlier shift went off duty and the new shift is taking over. In exactly the same place.

Do we have nothing new to bring to this discussion?
Anybody????
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  JamaGeneeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  MM, you should know by now that's what happens in a forum thread more than 48 hours old. But then, certain posters have no purpose in life other than regurgitating the same lame arguments over and over ad nauseum. Living proof that 'insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different outcome'. ;D
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's not true, MM.
  
  The Wingnuts aren't eager to discuss the decline and future demise of the TP movement, they have shifted the argument from hatred of minority religions and why gramdma shold be left to fend for her own medical care to hatred of policemen, firemen, schoolteacher, and the Mailman.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  whoa whoa whoa - I"m a wingnut, and I talk about how the Tea Party sucks all the time.
  
  People who really care about liberty and the true ideals of the Tea Party would rather call themselves "libertarians" or "constitutionalists".
  
  The rest are just Neo-Conservative jerks.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Doug,
  
  You wrote, "he Wingnuts aren't eager to discuss the decline and future demise of the TP movement,"
  
  Whoa! The Tea Party is in decline? And here I thought it was our Nation that was in decline. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"Do I have to buy what a corporation is selling me?"

Only if you want to eat, have heat, electricity, a phone, a computer, a car to drive, clothes on your back, etc.

Unless you live off the grid, and make your own food, clothes, use fire and lamps, no tv, no phone, and heat your own water for baths.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi love,
  
  You wrote, "Do I have to buy what a corporation is selling me?
  
  Only if you want to eat, have heat, electricity, a phone, a computer, a car to drive, clothes on your back, etc."
  
  Really? You have to buy? You have no choices? And all of this time I thought you lived in the USA. Perhaps I was wrong.
  
  Except where governments have chosen winners and given monopoly power to a corporation I have always found choices. When I bought my most recent car, I was not forced to buy a Government Motors car. I bought a Ford. For my last cell phone purchase and cell phone calling plan I had a half-dozen choices. When I buy clothes I can go to my tailor or I can go to any of a hundred stores and buy what I wish.
  
  With government I have no such choice.
  
  Your mileage may vary.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If not for gvt, you would have NONE of it!
  Gvt pays for the research, the testing, the materials you use to make your stuff you sell to us for your profit.
  Then you cry because you have to pay gvt back for what they have given you.
  
  Waaaaaaaaaaaa!
  Tea-baggers need a binky
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi love,
  
  You wrote, "If not for gvt, you would have NONE of it!"
  
  This is completely goofy. Perhaps you used drugs in your youth. Perhaps you are still using them.
  
  "Gvt pays for the research, the testing, the materials you use to make your stuff you sell to us for your profit."
  
  Where do you come up with these, okay, I admit it, insane beliefs?
  
  "Then you cry because you have to pay gvt back for what they have given you."
  
  Kooky. Really, really kooky.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Private industry doesn't have the capital to try things out. They take ideas that the gvt has come up with, patents them, then makes a profit on all the gvt's ingenuity and hard work.
  
  Lazy Lazy capitalists!!...using the sweat and ideas of gvt to build huge wealth which they then house overseas so they can avoid paying taxes to the country that made them rich.
  
  That's patriotism....not.
  
  Vampires sucking the life out of America.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi love,
  
  You wrote, "Private industry doesn't have the capital to try things out."
  
  Really? When I started one of the first Internet Service Provider companies back in 1994-5 did government provide me with the routers, switches, data lines, web page development software, marketing, and so on? I must have missed that detail.
  
  "They take ideas that the gvt has come up with, patents them, then makes a profit on all the gvt's ingenuity and hard work."
  
  LOL. You are so humorous. But if you believe it is true then go get some of your own and start your company. It is easy. Really easy. And you know, if your business fails, as mine have twice, the government will be right there to make it all good. There are no risks, the government does it all.
  
  "Lazy Lazy capitalists!!...using the sweat and ideas of gvt to build huge wealth which they then house overseas so they can avoid paying taxes to the country that made them rich."
  
  So, in your opinion government socialists are the reason behind America's greatness?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I love how you form my opinion for me, that is basically stating the way YOU feel.
  
  You don't listen.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LMC you are very delusional if you think the Government has all the ideas and private sector doesn't have the money your insane! Are you saying the government has the ideas to come up with a new drug? No, these are private capital groups who fund these things a lot of the time and when they hit the jackpot they make a fortune by charging a lot for the medication until the time period runs out then they can make generic at a reduced level. It is a business and the government doesn't have anything to do with it. Some scientist do get grants and loans sometimes, but believe me most time it is private money! what do you think these private equity companies, some hedge fund companies and capital companies do for a living? I know someone who has come up with an idea for creating energy from algae. he is getting funding through private equity and private investment capital. He can also go public. which has nothing to do with the government. The government should focus on foreign invasion and leave most everything to the state level. your perception of how business works is totally false.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well, it was a LITTLE tongue in cheek..the Lazy Lazy Capitalists should have given it away..
  
  But I'm thinking of a lot the gvt does for business, and not always good.
  Like allowing aspartame into the marketplace because you're friends with the FDA.
  How do you think Monsanto got the contract to force Iraqi farmers to have to buy their seeds?
  How DOES Haliburton get all these contracts?
  
  See what i mean?
  BP is back in business!
  
  It's true I don't know a lot about business, but I see a lot of collusion with gvt, and it's most always to our detriment.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  BP never left business. What do you think about the president eliminating US oil drilling while funding Brazil's exploitation of the gulf's oil?
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HattieMattieMaeposted 11 years ago
Hmm that would be a better plan! Living off the grid instead of putting my money in corporations pockets.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Too late. You'll have to buy Monsanto seeds, and they do not rejuvinate.
  You must but new ones after each crop.
  They put that in after the invasion of Iraq....
  Made those farmers buy Monsanto seeds.
  I'll bet they have genetic-altering germs in them too....I'll bet they are designed to make people more docile and placid.
  
  It's Full Spectrum Dominance they are after.
  
  USA USA USA
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  HattieMattieMaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, they put a chip in our passports, conviscating cell phones down loading everything from them, tracking all of us by gps, watch everything we say on the internet! Must we go on! Power-Control-Greed-Money Matters
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That is all true.
  
  Try getting off the grid...I can't. I'm hooked.
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  Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, you can still buy the old types of garden and crop seed which will reproduce true. But you are somewhat correct with your concerns with some agricultural seed used for higher crop yields. BT cotton seed-developed to be immune to herbicides such as Round Up-will reproduce true with the same immunity, but it is illegal to reuse the seed.
  
  Imagine being able to spray the entire field with herbicides which will destroy every type weed but not affect the crops at all. This eliminates repeated trips of tilling, plowing, and spraying. Imagine the time, fuel, and equipment costs the farmer saves. Not all of the seed and plant research is nefarious. Many farmers could not stay in business without the genetic seed we have today. The cost of these types of seed is exorbitant, however!
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HattieMattieMaeposted 11 years ago
hmm wonders how the Amish survive with out most of these things! :0
sn53
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HattieMattieMaeposted 11 years ago
Better yet wonders how civilization lived with out a materialistic society before we invented all this in the twentieth century!
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John Holdenposted 11 years ago
Hi SN53

Definitely a consumption tax (with provisos)by far the fairest method of taxation in that there is very little scope for evasion with a strong progressive element.
Provisos being no tax on essentials as these tend to be regressive.

I used to work for local government who had in place many fixed price contracts for essential but undefinable work load. These generally worked well but were hard work. The contractors would price for many items with no idea of how many they would be called on to fulfil. They tended to work well.

I'm thinking more of the likes of the Halliburton contract worth $7 billion and for which Halliburton were the only company allowed to bid.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi John,
  
  You wrote, "I'm thinking more of the likes of the Halliburton contract worth $7 billion and for which Halliburton were the only company allowed to bid."
  
  It does not seem to me that your statement is correct. I read two left wing websites that implied it. They are funny sits. Then I went to wikipedia that appeared a bit more balanced.
  
  Also, it seems that some of the Task/Delivery orders requests for proposals were competitively bid and only one company responded. Things re not always as they seem. Those places are hard work to supply. Halliburton has been doing very dangerous work for a long time. They have the infrastructure in place to do the job at a reasonable price. So they get the work.
  
  The nice thing about capitalism is that if you believe you can do the work you can start a company and go for it.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I used wikipedia to check my facts.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi John,
  
  You seem to know about IDIQ contract vehicles. I was the technical volume captain on one a bit more than a year ago that was potentially worth $500 million dollars. We have seen no work. It took a month and more than 20 full time people to respond to the request for a proposal. We were one of two winners in the selection. Still, we always know that winning the IDIQ does not always mean the work will come.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Fine, but it still does not explain why corporate control of government is good whilst people control of government is bad.
  
  We have the same sort of mindset in the UK, MPs sponsored by trade unions bad, MPs sponsored by big business good!
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi John,
  
  You wrote, "Fine, but it still does not explain why corporate control of government is good whilst people control of government is bad."
  
  I don't believe that. I do believe the best way for the US to fix many of its problems is to eliminate the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Then most of the leverage politicians have over business and the people will be eliminated.
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What a blooming crock.
  
  Going to a consumption tax is a sucker bet designed to soak the middle class and under. Here's how it works.
  
  If you are in the bottom 20% making $12K annual, you save and invest 0%. So you pay the full tax. If you are in the top 1%, earning 1.25 MILLION per year, you save and invest more than half your income. That half of your income is tax free. So your tax rate is less than HALF what a single mom would pay.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No surprise. You really have no interest in fairness in raising revenues. This continues to be about your desire to plunder. You may be a weakling and a coward in real life. So you want government to come to my house and steal my possessions in your name and on your behalf.
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  By all means, list the countries that do not have compulsory taxation.
  
  If you don't want to pay your share of living in this county, you have a menu of alternates. Do write (by mail) - since none of your choices have internet - or running water.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  One can only respond with bewilderment.
  
  My goal is to return this nation to a constitutionally-based limited government. In my view government should be significantly smaller and less intrusive.
  
  I want every law to specify the enumerated power that is its authority. If it is not in the Constitution as an enumerated power then the federal government cannot lawfully do it.
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And I want every 5-year old to have a pony.
  
  The USSC has not agreed with your plan to hobble democracy 'We the People' - in over a century.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The US Supreme Court is part of the problem. It can also be part of the solution.
  
  We are already living in a tyranny. It will only get worse unless we recognize what has happened and fix it.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Not if savings are taxed. There is no way that a consumption tax can replace all other forms of taxation.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sure it can. The Fair Tax is well designed to do exactly that. Combine a fair way to tax with a constitutionally-based, limited government and there will be plenty of money to do the things that must be done.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Then why do we not already have a totally income (work) based system?
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I did not understand this.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Why do we not already have taxation based only on income tax?
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
I think maybe a lot of people could use a Bobby Kennedy moment.
Remember when he went to Appalachia?
He could not BELIEVE that people were living like that.
Such poverty!
Such bleakness. And he was stunned.
Well, nothing has changed. There are people who live horribly impoverished and hopeless lives right here, right NOW in America--"the richest country in the world". It's unconscionable.

We need an eye-opening experience like Bobby Kennedy had. It changed him forever, and I bet it would do the same to most of you.

Please stop worrying about the wealth you have, and think about the lack of it for others...and WHY is it this way?
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CLake46posted 11 years ago
TP rallies smaller this year than last. Go to thinkprogress.org for all the info.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. I will be joining my local TEA Party real soon now.
  
  Ebb and flow. When the time is right the Taxed Enough Already Party will be back out.
  
  Don't worry your pretty little head over it.
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Just call the Kochs, their good for busing TP"s from state to state. Maybe you'll get to visit states you've never seen. Enjoy the ride cause it's not gonna last long!
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh goody. But there are not very many states I have not seen. Maybe a few in the far northeast.
  
  I am actually glad you won't see the battle coming. You will not recognize the enormity of your defeat until it is too late.
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like the trailer to a movie. Unfortunately, though this thriller is a well-funded undertaking it's doomed at the box office. Or should I say ballot box.
  
  The demographics won't work. There are more poor people than rich ones. The Ryan Plan was poor strategy. Vague rhetoric was working - now seniors are learning that the Tea Party wants them to pay 6K per year more for an inferior Medicare so fat cats can get a huge tax cut. The Tea Party is working desperately to undermine the rights of the working man. Attacks on the reproductive rights of women have also angered voters who wanted something done about jobs.
  
  Democrats are going to 'clean house' in 2012. They are going to run on fair taxes. Riding the gravy train is just about over.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You just might be right. Tyrants have always been there to rouse the rabble. If the nation falls, why then it falls.
  
  And that is your only great hope? The Democrat motto has always been "How can we fool them today?" It has worked for a long time. Should I despair because the Democrat strategy of deceit has worked up until now? Naw. Enough people have figured it out now.
  
  I can see, from your perspective, how saving the nation from economic collapse looks like a bad strategy.
  
  Have your read the Blueprint for Prosperity? Perhaps not.
  
  Lies have served the Democrats very well for many years. I can see why you still cling to them. They are not going to work for you this time.
  
  I love your codewords for public sector union thugs. But now the taxpayers who are working more so union thugs can have a better life than they do have caught on to the scam. You are going down.
  
  Wow, do I have to get the entire playbook in one message? Breed all you want. Kill your babies all you want. Just don't insist that I pay for it.
  
  Hmm. I guess we shall have to agree to disagree. Or should I mark you down as "undecided"?
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  Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm clearly decided. Close tax loopholes. Period. There are places in the budget we can cut. Defense is one. Reorganizing homeland security. Consolidating redundant departments. It can be done without layoffs. The USPS has trimmed over 25% of its workforce in the last few years - without layoffs. It requires a scalpel - not a chainsaw.
  
  Privatizing Medicare is a BAD idea. Slashing opportunities for students who are qualified for college - a tragedy. Cutting huge holes in the safety net of Medicaid is barbaric. This is not what the TP ran on, but its what they voted for. We will hang them all (figuratively) in 2012.
  
  To solve the financial problems, surgical cuts and serious tax increases for the 20% by population, who take home HALF THE INCOME! I would CREATE AT least 3 more tax brackets in that top bracket for a total of 4. The ACTUAL TOTAL TAXES should start at 30% (where the top 1% are now) and increase by 5% increments. So the four brackets at the top would pay 30 - 35 - 40 and 45% in total taxes.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps NOW you will join me in pushing very hard for the Fair Tax. It is the right thing to do. Anything else just prolongs the time until the day of reckoning.
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  sn53Anon you sound like those TP loonies running for the GOP nomination. Seems like you all are reading the same script. Everyone except those in denial already recognize the true evil of the TP. I appreciate your comments as it helps me share with others how the TP really is This is why I continue to spread the word & watch your poll #'s drop.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Some years ago I was asked to run for a public office. I declined.
  
  We are. We all believe in limited government constrained by the Constitution. So naturally we would sound alike to you.
  
  Sure. We are still going to win. And you still don't see it coming. :-)
  
  You are very welcome. I am happy to be of service.
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for being of service to me. Now maybe you can be of service to the rest of the country. Just be honest & have real solutions that help everyone not just the rich & you won't have to decline a run for office next time.
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  sn53Anonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  :-)
  
  My way is the right way. And even though you cannot admit it now it will feel very good to you to finally be free from all of that darned government.
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I prefer to be run by the government that works for the people, not corporations. If we had no government the koch bros & other corps. would continue harm the country & take away the rights of the people which they are trying to do as we speak. Not that you understand, but that's why we're fighting back. Thank you Wisconsin!!! They have more than enough signatures to recall 6 Rep. Senators. I don't call that just sitting back!
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Not to mention, Ryan's town-hall didn't go too well for him. But you know what...then why did people vote for them?
  
  Why did they get baboozled by the bs? Why couldn't they see through them?
  
  This whole country has a lot to ask itself.
  
  But--I heard on the radio today, that they (Baggers-ie, Governing by Atlas Shrugged)--the real inroads they have made are in the judiciary. Judges everywhere. Like they did with anti-abortion candidates, they use stealth. Like a tic burrowing into your skin, kind of.
  
  You can see it now blatantly with people like Scott Walker. He never campaigned on what he ended up doing...he just did it after the fact.
  Sorry to say it, but it was stupid Americans who let them in the door.
  
  What they were voting for---their own greed, I think---they got something else right along with it.
  And we all suffer for their blindness and self-interest.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And the left has George Soros paying for everything, 10 times more than anyone else helping! he thinks he is smart making believe he is about the people and you freeloaders buy into it! your being lured in by a con man and don't even know it! Soros is way bigger than Koch and left fools hate it when the right get more people on there side!you lazy leeches don't even realize that the republicans aren't the one's hurting the poor and middle class. you do realize if the dollar busts, It wouldn't matter how much you had it wouldn't be worth anything! do you see how dumb socialist are. Kill them with kindness, the wolf in sheep's clothing!
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  How is it that real american workers who pay into Medicare & SS be free loaders? I tell you, you tea baggers show everyday just how really stupid & ignorant you really are. How are we the lazy leeches when its your fat ass corporate greedy , racist hypocrites like the kochs sitting on their ass trying to rule & destroy the world while we are the ones who actually work.
  Yes I see how socialist are, thats why its time for the tea bagger & Gop to go. wake up danny tp polls keep going down. You hate comments reaay are a big help
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I do not mean people who PAY for something, Like SS or Medicare! it is all the other garbage actually holding people down to depend on government! I'm not a TP member just a regular person who believes in taking responsibility for my own actions! Stop drinking the Koolaid!
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Stop the pill popping with Rush & you might just come back to reality. Greed for the top 2% really makes it hard not to depend on the gov. A great example Healthcare. Thats why we have Medicare/Medicaid because of the greedy ins.companies. Why do big corporations & oil companies need our state & federal gov. to give them big tax breaks & refunds. Aren't they depending on our gov.'s? I like the flip flops you do when it comes to $$$$ & screwing the people.
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You talk nonsense, you think you know what your talking about but you have no clue! I can guarantee you don't own a business and just a working guy. If you actually stop with your MSNBC or NPR talking points rant and actually learned how everything works you might educate yourself. The big companies shouldn't get away with not paying taxes! tell your messiah Obama to get his boy from GE to stop making the loopholes! guess you don't even know about that. the Government spends to much money on nonsense. please enough
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  CLake46posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I guess only you nuts think you know what you're talking about, that's why your polls #'s are dropping. I know you hate the fact that President Obama brought justice for those who died on 9/11, something Bush could not do. Come out of denial, you might get more educated & watching FOX Sci/Fi is not the answer. I pray for fools & racist bigots like you everyday. Stay focused on real issues, don't avoid them.
  Good day!!!
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  DannyMaioposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  First, again I will state it, I'm not a TP member! I know it is hard for you to comprehend and all you have is nonsense to spew but try! Keep getting your info from MSNBC and NPR, just shows how blind you truly are. You same people said that before the last election and was handed your a$$ on a platter! as far as Obama, he finally did something right, but if it was up to Obama from the beginning he would have never been caught! All the info came from Bush's administration as Obama said himself that they got the lead in 2007! he wasn't president until 2009. Obama stopped the CIA from interrogating people the second day in office and without the bush administration doing that the lead would have never materialized! Your messiah did make the correct decision to go in but then Screwed it up with giving this creep a religious ceremony(the victims of 9/11 did not get one) and then stupidly dumped his body in the ocean? we should have kept it on ice and had independent countries verify that was him then bury him at ground zero! He made the right decision but I bet anything he had to be pushed into it as he is soft! hence the quick burial! And of course you have to bring up race, that is all you people do, throw out the race card because you have no real solid views to stand on, No it can not be he has failed in every way in the economy, foreign affairs etc... enjoy your one decent moment with your messiah, at least I admit things when right you can't! sorry for you. Have a good day in la la land! you fit right in with Love my chris! you people talk about ladylove but you and lovemychris are so far out there it is a joke to be called a democrat and have people like you in the party!
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Tea-Baggers should really be re-named Money-Baggers.
Check this out:

1. SOCIALIST SHIPBUILDING

Two years before founding the influential Cato Institute, Charles Koch bought a supertanker from a communist regime. According to information in the Lehman Brothers business archives, as well as records found in a Croatian shipyard, in 1975, Koch Industries purchased ship from the Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia. The ship, a standard 274,330-ton dual use tanker, was named after the Kochs' mother, Mary.

The purchase of a ship from Yugoslavia would not have been a big deal, had the Kochs not been the ones doing the buying. With the whole free world to choose from, why would a supposedly true-believer libertarian like Charles Koch buy a vessel produced in a communist country—and name it after his own dear mother, to boot? After all, didn't Austrian school economist Ludwig Von Mises, an early influence on Charles' intellectual journey to libertarianism, write in his 1933 seminal work, Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis, that centrally planned economies are so inherently inefficient that "socialism must fail"?

It turned out that Yugoslavia's highly-centralized economy was the opposite of inefficient—it was on fire.

http://www.observer.com/2010/slideshow/ … ipbuilding

Uhhhh, a communist country on Capitalist fire??
Ya don't say.

Geeee-this kind of reminds me of "freedom-loving Fox", with the 2nd biggest share-holder being a Saudi prince, and "Money-Bags" Murdoch close relationship with China.

Ummm, money; mouth, will you ever meet???
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CLake46posted 11 years ago
Congratulations to the new Democrat House Member Kathleen C. Hochul who won District 26 Race in NY which has long been held by Republicans. This is what happens when you vote to end Medicare/Medicaid.
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