Cain is not the first womanizing politician

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   preacherdonposted 12 years ago

   
   I am not justifying Herman Cain's behavior, but the media acts like he is the first womanizing politician. They willingly forget that Clinton had many scandals during his run for office and while he was in office. What about Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe?
            Then there is America's morality. Its OK for a person to be a sexually immoral in other ways but not a womanizer? Isn't that a double standard? Why is it now that these women come forward? If Cain harassed so many women, shouldn't he have been fired from his position as president of the NRA (National Restaurant Association) or Godfather's Pizza? I think this is just opportunism.
             Again, I don't condone what he did or allegedly did, but if this had been a democrat this likely would not be an issue. The main reason this sunk John Edwards' political career is because he had a child with the woman and was supporting them with campaign funds. What do you think?

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      Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think there are two types of scandals that will sink a candidate. Both go to the candidate's moral fiber.
      One is financial scandal. Neither party likes a thief.
      With sexual misconduct there is what may appear to be a double standard. But if you look at it along party lines, it's not.
      The reason it's a big deal when Republican candidates/politicians like Cain get exposed for extramarital sexploits is that they are Republicans. And Republicans make such a BFD out of sex. Family values, I'm Christian so I get to dictate what you do in your bedroom, with whom, as well as the outcome of same -- that's the essence of social Republicanism.
      So when a GOP holier-than-thou politician gets caught with his pants down (literally) it's more than a morality issue. It's blatant hypocrisy.
      
      Personally I find this Cain stuff laughable. Like whoever is trying to sink him needs to even bother. The man is patently unqualified to serve as POTUS.

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         logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well we have one that is even more unqualified to serve as POTUS, in the office now.  Not that I'd vote for Cain, but his womanizing bothers me a lot less than the drug usage by Obama as a youth.  If I had to choose between the two of them, Cain wins hands down.
         I disagree with your description of social Republicanism.  It is the religious element of the party that wants to meddle in private affairs.  Most regular Republicans think what you do in the privacy of your home is your own business, just don't bring it outside if you don't want it critiqued.  Most don't care what you do as long as it's between consenting adults.  It's when someone wants to flaunt their proclivities and press it upon others, is when they begin to get up in arms.

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            kerrygposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            "It's when someone wants to flaunt their proclivities and press it upon others, is when they begin to get up in arms."
            
            This would be much more reasonable if a lot of people didn't seem to consider two guys holding hands at the grocery store to be "flaunting their proclivities."

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            Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            "Not that I'd vote for Cain, but his womanizing bothers me a lot less than the drug usage by Obama as a youth."
            
            Why don't you go back a bit further? In kindergarten Obama peeked under one of his little classmate's skirt. As I recall, Reagan was a Hollywood Democrat and president of the Actor's Union. Half the neo-cons who got us into the ill-fated invasion of Iraq were Communists or Trotskyists in the 1930s and 40s, or they were spawn of the founders of neo-conism, e.g., Norman and John Podoretz.

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      Deni Edwardsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The thing with Herman Cain is that one of his platforms is protecting marriage.  That makes him a hypocrite if he has been involved in a sexual affair.
      As far as the sexual harassmant, that is something totally different.  It is criminal.

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         preacherdonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly, so why wasn't he prosecuted, by someone? Anyone? Did he or the NRA buy his way out of all of them?

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            couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            He may not have been prosecuted because someone took a dive or it's just not true.  Or maybe people in power - any kind of power - really do use that double standard.  It work for Teddy, it worked for Jack, it worked for Bill.

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      Wayne Brownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      We must keep in mind that Ms. Gennifer Flowers receive about $500,000 in payments to go public with her accusations. More after that with the follow on media. These folks come out now for all the wrong reasons...mainly money. Where were they when Herman Cain was just a member of the public. They seem to be silent and happy with that silence. I cannot defend Cain anymore than he can defend himself against accusations and allegations. A court of law does not convict on that basis either but a public laundering of misinformation can be very effective in drying up campaign donations and destroying an image whether the condemnation is true or not.  In the case of Clinton, I seem to remember a media much more willing to undermine the credibility of the witness as opposed to what we have seen here. The American public walks a very dangerous tightrope to condemn on accusation/allegation alone, a very dangerous one. WB

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         couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         WB - Yours is the first sensible comment on this forum.

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      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      preacher - you may not be condoning him but you're certainly condemning him without proof.

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   horrezposted 12 years ago

   Grow up people..Stop with all of this crazy nonsense..I feel that if clinton did such a foolish act does it make it justifiable for Herman Cains actions..This is not about republicans verses democrats this is about morals and ethics and being an example for society and the younger generation soon to be in the position as Herman Cain..GROW  UP!  or get out....Stop this foolishness.Keep your pants up in public and in office and take your personal business home and let it stay there.Peace.

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      preacherdonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree.

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      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Wow! You people don't even know that he did anything.  Clinton abused the Office and the White House for personal gain.  Quite different.

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   mikelongposted 12 years ago

   If I remember correctly, isn't he also Sunday Preacher Cain?
   
   The "politician" moniker you focus on is flawed....Cain's hypocrisies know no bounds....

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      horrezposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Preacher and politicians are all the same..They preach what they really don't know and they lie about what they think they no..They are human just like we are.Take it from me ..i was raised by a politician..Was a nightmare on elm street.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      And his ignorance of what it takes to be president knows no bounds.

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   GoGreenTipsposted 12 years ago

   If the man could get our country out of debt, get everyone to work, keep us safe from foreign threats...hey I say let him have his fun. I agree with the Republican thing, they are all to willing to dictate what we do in our own homes and seem to think it shouldn't apply to them. or when they are caught they are somehow being smeared by the media.

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      preacherdonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This does not just apply to the Republicans but all politicians. Although, like Hannity, I identify myself as a conservative, not as a Republican or Democrat, I believe they're all crooked. Look at the laws that are passed. Insider trading is illegal yet they can do it with impunity. Who created tax shelters? Politicans. Law are enforceable against everyone except the lawmakers.

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   I find it disgusting that the man was surviving allegations of sexual harassment, but a consensual affair was his downfall.
   
   It's a question of character. We should not be willing to accept the  candidate who displays the lowest common denominator of morality among us as the choice to represent our nation in the office of the presidency.  I would think, on that count, a preacher would understand.
   
   Anyway, you forget Cain is running as a Republican. The camps appear to have a different measuring stick for what is acceptable and what is not, in a candidate's private life. Your comparison to Edwards was spot on, but he was a Democrat. The affair might have stopped his campaign in its tracks had he been stumping for the Republican nomination.
   
   Once someone attains the office of president it's a whole new ball game. Popularity trumps everything. You can't compare Cain's woes to Clinton or Kennedy's behavior. He hasn't jumped the hurdle of elections.

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      preacherdonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. I was not defending his moral shortcomings by any means. I was asking why does he get stumped on why others with similar or worse shortfalls seem to get a pass. I was more focusing on the double standard. The allegations of sexual harassment I don't know about. I just think it is funny that they're just now coming out. Then again, it is believed Newt will be attacked too based on his tenure as Speaker of the House.

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I hope so. Gingrich is a snake. Imo. The sad thing is, that's politics. You don't stay in it long unless you are dirty, or become that way. A few good people may start in it for good reasons, but they quickly become tainted. The system is what we have complacently allowed it to become.

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      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      He was surviving the allegations because of the skanks who made them. His downfall wasn't a consensual relationship but rather a poor media team. This admitted prostitute isn't any better than the last two she's just the latest liar. Cain shouldn't have to put up with the hypocritical democrat machine just to beat Obama, hell, anybody will win against the incompetent boob currently occupying the white house.

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   mortimerjacksonposted 12 years ago

   Hermain Cain ain't no womanizer. I feel like that term should be reserved for people who are more successful in their endeavors of finding poon tang. Hermain Cain has hit on women with one bumble after another only to settle for a mistress who he kept for 13 years. Simply put, Cain ain't no James Bond.
   
   As for his morality, well, the guy is a Republican. What more do I need to say?

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      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe I'm missing something today.  Was there proof found since I went to sleep last night?

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   wildernessposted 12 years ago

   The thing is that no one cares.  The only reason it ever really comes to light is because of mudslinging in an effort to lose those accused their elections.
   
   The public just doesn't care anymore.  And the proof of that is in the typical ethical and moral standards of our elected politicians as a group - nonexistent.  My state has one representative (state level) that "didn't know" it was illegal to steal trees from public land to build his log home with.  Another hasn't paid taxes in years and faces huge IRS liens.  No one cares and they still get re-elected.  Over and over.

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   quotationsposted 12 years ago

   There may have been other womanizing politicians, but his behavior is repulsive, slimy and completely inconsistent with the fact that he pretends to be a moral leader by serving as a part time Baptist minister. His hypocrisy and continued lying in the face of the obvious is what makes his character flaw bigger. Yes, his character flaw is common, but I hope that the voters will not settle for the mediocrity which is the Herminator and pick someone who is not as two faced.

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      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How do you know he's lying?

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   Jed Fisherposted 12 years ago

   Herman Cain comes forward as a presidential candidate with an agenda of putting America first. That is what caused the news to go after him. It’s a recurring theme. Any candidate that plans to put America first gets stomped. It happened to Donald Trump, it is happening to Ron Paul now. Remember Ross Perot? His deal was putting America first. And Abe Lincoln and John F. Kennedy…look what happened to them.

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    JT Waltersposted 12 years ago

    And still yet I predicted he would drop out of the race in October. Suspend candiacy means,  "I will still collect money but I have given up.".  Tea Party is such a fraud.

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       couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       How so?

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    psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

    He is a Republican who failed to keep his promise to his wife and harrassed people in the workplace. Why non earth would a 'family values' type voter want to support him, or be inclined to believe a word he says? Just because a kind of abuse of power, dishonesty and hypocrisy is common (fraud, theft, insider trading, vote buying, using prostitutes, sexual assault etc etc) , doesn't mean it stops being a professional handicap for a politician. That would be saying, not a single honest person is available, so we have to take what we can get. I don;t think things are that bad yet.

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