To tax or not to tax, that is the question...

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  1. SparklingJewel profile image66
    SparklingJewelposted 12 years ago

    I don't claim to be a big financial, economics know it all (how could anyone, frankly, but the link  here is a conservative version of the current presidents tax creation scenario for next year

    can anyone that monitors similar information from the liberals post a comparison for us all to learn from?

    then my questions would can two such competing views of how economics works, come together to create a better system that benefits all hard working and constitutionally minded Americans?

    I think aligning with the Constitution is the answer, and getting rid of a lot of legislation that has helped corruption take over in industry and government, line the pockets of elitists and cause harm to mainstream America. … 749-260528

  2. lovemychris profile image75
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Try Citizens for Tax Justice.

    End the Bush tax cuts, tax wealth the same as labor, end loop-holes that allow for corporations to pay 0 tax, stop hiding money in off-shore acounts.

    In short: Stop trying every manuever they can to avoid paying taxes! They all live here and profit by much frigging money do they need?

    If they enjoy being gangsters, why don't they do it the regular way: not white collar crime, in which they get away with murder?

    Make the penalties harsher for white collar crime. I mean--you can get 20 yrs for an ounce of crack....what did Abramoff get? Delay? something to consider as well, IMO.

    1. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I could agree with most of what you've said here except ending the Bush tax cuts for middle income earners. If that happens I'll pay about $6,000. more a year in taxes. That's a lot of money to me.

      1. lovemychris profile image75
        lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Well, actually--Obama doesn't want to end them for the middle class--he wants to end them for the upper classes.....and that is making him an un-American muslim terrorist with the aim of destroying America.

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Therein lies the biggest problem, I think.  Don't tax me - tax someone else while I enjoy the benefits of those taxes.  Someone with more money, someone that smokes or drinks or drives a car.  Someone with a house and/or land.  Tax the visitor to my city with motel room taxes, rental car taxes and airline taxes.  Just don't tax me.  It costs too much and I don't want to pay it.

        And yes, I'm right in there, too - I can't afford the taxes I'm assessed.

  3. lovemychris profile image75
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Here is an excellent site "from the left"...with charts, so it's easy to understand!: … arts-graph

  4. lovemychris profile image75
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Bill Moyers:

    "So what do these big moneyed nabobs have to complain about? Why are they whining about reform? And why are they funneling cash to super PACs aimed at bringing down Barack Obama, who many of them supported four years ago? 

    Because, writes Alec MacGillis in The New Republic -- the President wants to raise their taxes. That’s right -- while ordinary Americans are taxed at a top rate of 35% on their income, Congress allows hedge fund and private equity tycoons to pay only pay 15% of their compensation. The President wants them to pay more; still at a rate below what you might pay, and for that he’s being accused of – hold onto your combat helmets --  “class warfare.”  One Wall Street Midas, once an Obama fan, now his foe, told MacGillis that by making the rich a primary target, Obama is “[expletive deleted] on people who are successful.”

    And can you believe this? Two years ago, when President Obama first tried to close that gaping loophole in our tax code, Stephen Schwarzman, who runs the Blackstone Group, the world’s largest private equity fund, compared the President’s action to Hitler’s invasion of Poland.

    That’s the same Stephen Schwarzman whose agents in 2006 launched a predatory raid on a travel company in Colorado. His fund bought it, laid off 841 employees, and recouped its entire investment in just seven months – one of the quickest returns on capital ever for such a deal."

    "compared the President’s action to Hitler’s invasion of Poland." hmmm, that's an odd comparison to make. Wonder if Shwartzman thinks Obama is an American to the "N"th degree too?

    big babies who always need their way or else.....laying people off, treating people badly with no conscience....THESE are people we admire??

  5. SparklingJewel profile image66
    SparklingJewelposted 12 years ago

    the excerpt below is from the Patriot Post, one of the many perspectives of the "right".

    I say again...until we, as a nation, start looking at each other's perspectives and find mutual understanding and alignment with the Constitution and Bill of Rights...and get this whole tax system/economic system under sensible control, as a nation we are lost to a valid future.


    "Would it not be better to simplify the system of taxation rather than to spread it over such a variety of subjects and pass through so many new hands." --Thomas Jefferson

    Government & Politics
    Election Year Taxes

    As we have documented over the years, the Leftmedia are quite adept at using polls to drive public opinion rather than reflect it. The latest such example was a poll on taxes in advance of Income Redistribution Day, but as we shall see, there's more here than meets the eye.

    Gallup reports, "As tax filing day looms, Americans fall into two closely matched camps: those who believe the amount they pay in federal income tax is too high (46%) and those who consider it 'about right' (47%). Just 3% consider their taxes too low." It's hardly newsworthy that so few find their taxes to be too low, but for so many to see them as "about right" is interesting. Here's why: Roughly half of Americans don't pay any income taxes at all. It's no coincidence, then, that roughly half of Americans think their tax burden is "about right."

    We'll give Gallup one thing: They made clear that Americans had a much more negative view of their taxes prior to the Bush tax cuts. And why wouldn't they? Contrary to media myth, the Bush tax cuts applied to everyone -- not just the wealthy. The top rate went from 39.6 percent to 35 percent, the next tier dropped from 36 to 33, followed by 31 to 28, 28 to 25 and the lowest bracket dropped from 15 percent to 10 percent. For those who appreciate math, the bottom bracket had both the greatest nominal drop -- 5 points -- and the greatest percentage drop -- 33 percent -- but you won't hear that on the network news.

    Indeed, the Leftmedia have suppressed that inconvenient truth to the point that a CNN poll shows that almost 70 percent of Americans think the tax system favors the wealthy. The fact is, according to CNS News and the Tax Foundation, "Americans making more than $250,000 had an effective tax rate of 23.4 percent and their total share of the tax burden was 45.7 percent." That contrasts with Americans earning less than $50,000, who paid an effective rate of 3.5 percent for a share of 6.7 percent. Yet with Barack Obama's canard that the rich don't pay their "fair share" being blasted through the sycophantic media bullhorn, it's no wonder the idea sticks.

    Perceptions could change on Jan. 1, 2013, when the Bush tax cuts are set to expire. Some were extended by the last Congress, but rates will go up for everyone in January unless an extension passes this year. The aforementioned rates will return to their previous levels, the child tax credit will drop from $1,000 to $500, the marriage penalty will return, the death tax will skyrocket to 55 percent, the capital gains tax rate will increase from 15 percent to 20 percent (with another 3.8 percent tacked on for ObamaCare), and the tax on dividends will go from 15 percent to the rate of ordinary wages -- as high as 39.6 percent. The temporary payroll tax cut will also expire. The total tax bomb on the struggling economy will be close to $500 billion.

    Instead of defusing the issue, the Senate took up but failed to pass Obama's beloved Buffett Rule, an election-year tax gimmick that would require millionaires to pay no less than 30 percent in taxes. We call this a gimmick because, as columnist Charles Krauthammer points out, "If we collect the Buffett tax for the next 250 years -- a span longer than the life of this republic -- it would not cover the Obama deficit for 2011 alone."

    An extension of the Bush tax cuts, on the other hand, should be a no-brainer during an election year. It should not only be permanent, but there should be fewer and even lower rates, which would lead to economic growth. As Joe Biden might say, "It's not class warfare. It's math." Of course, he meant that comment to further the administration's class warfare against the wealthy and presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney in particular. Obama and his minions want you to focus on what Romney does with his income, and not what Obama does with yours...."

    What's your opinion of your tax burden? What should reform look like?


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