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Updated on August 23, 2017
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My views on liberalism vs. conservatism

Does it really matter whether you are a liberal or a conservative? Currently the US (I can't speak much about other countries) is very polarized, and liberalism vs. conservatism is one of the major causes if not THE cause. I sense a lot of anger and hatred from both sides toward each other even to the point where I sometimes feel we're on the brink of another civil war.

Well, I hope it will never come to that, but the situation is quite serious nonetheless. While it's healthy to have different points of views, it really does not serve us to fight amongst ourselves.

Following is an excerpt from a comment made by one of the readers which I totally agree with:

"I think the division in politics is destroying our country from the inside, how can we unite our country against outside forces when we stand divided among ourselves?"

When I first wrote this page I didn't think much about that. In fact, I was just writing it for fun, and the division wasn't quite as bad back then. The number of visitors to this page has increased over the years, which is good, but I also realized that I need to be careful that I don't contribute to the problem. I would like my readers to have a healthy exchange of ideas rather than arguments that tear down each other. Therefore, please keep that in mind when you post your comments on this page. I also welcome your suggestions on how to improve this page. If you have any, please post it in the comment section at the bottom.

How liberal or conservative are you?

Take a fun quiz below to see how liberal or conservative you are

I took one of those online tests and here's the results:

Social Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Ethics: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 60% Conservative, 40% Liberal

Overall: 40% Conservative, 60% Liberal

You can take the same test by clicking here.

Liberal and conservative - definitions

Being a liberal is promoting maximum individual freedom as well as being open minded and tolerant. A liberal is not afraid to explore and implement new and different ideas even those that may seem strange and unacceptable to the majority.

Please note that the above are the characteristics of true or classic liberalism. Unfortunately, these have been distorted by those who claim to be liberals but have other agendas (some refer to them as progressives, which is probably more appropriate), thus creating a new concept of liberalism which encompasses certain ideas like the love of big government, big spending, etc. (also read about "liberalism vs. progressivism" below).

A conservative is disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change (taken from dictionary.com which I believe is a pretty good definition).

One of the readers pointed out that I was actually a libertarian instead of a liberal especially in the political sense. Well, they're right but when I created this page politics wasn't at the top of my list. I was thinking more of everyday life situations. I have since modified the content of this page to reflect what I truly believe, and I will probably continue to do so as new ideas and knowledge are brought to light.

Conservatism vs liberalism in my life

I was a conservative turned liberal or should I say... libertarian?

I was raised a conservative and held conservative views for quite a while. However, I also have a rebellious side that always wants to break away from restrictive rules and societal norms, and seek freedom. Over time that side of me won and I now have more liberal views mostly on social issues.

As a conservative I was very uptight about things and sometimes got upset when I saw people behave in ways that were not acceptable to society. Now I'm very open minded, relaxed, tolerant, patient, and fun loving.

I'm all about enjoying life. I tend to disregard societal taboos and rules which serve no purpose other than to impose the views and beliefs of the majority. So I'm a social liberal and live a carefree lifestyle that would fit into the term Bohemian although I'm not much of an artist. I believe you should be able to do anything you like as long as you don't hurt others or yourself. However, as you should realize, that takes a lot of personal responsibility.

Just to give a couple of examples; to me it's cool to dress like a hippie, go barefoot, wear a nose ring, etc. but what about doing drugs or having multiple sexual partners? Before engaging in any of those, you should ask the question: will your behavior harm yourself or other people? And you should think long term too.

Note: all the above are MY views based on MY experiences. Yours may be different and that's fine. No one can always agree on everything and that's cool!

Again, this is not all about politics, so when I use the terms liberal and conservative I'm not necessarily referring to the political parties (i.e. Democratic and Republican). Having said that, some of the contents are political. Hey, it's good to have diversity, right? :)

Quick poll on health care

As you well know, President Obama has signed the new Health Care Reform Bill into law. Some people think it's great while others think it's terrible. What about you? This is an anonymous poll.

What do you think of the new Affordable Healthcare Act (a.k.a. Obamacare)?

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What were the political battles of 2009 and 2010, and what were the White House strategies? What does affordable care mean, and what comes next?

 

Gun control - another quick poll - Currently a hot topic for conservatives vs liberals

This is another polarizing issue in our country today. Where do you stand?

What is your view on gun control?

See results

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How effective is gun control? Do guns make us safer or just the opposite? What factors contribute to gun violence? These are just a few of the thought provoking questions addressed in this book.

 

Liberalism vs progressivism

As I stated earlier, the notion of "liberalism" has been distorted from the original which espouses total freedom and enjoyment of life into something that's quite the opposite. Today some conservatives even say liberals are stupid, hate their country, and even "liberalism is a mental disorder."

Here are a few examples they often use to support their argument:

Liberals want to keep the borders open and allow illegal immigrants to come in and deplete our resources while letting drug dealers, criminals, and potential terrorists enter freely.

They refuse to drill for more oil within the US on a pretense of protecting the environment, and let us continue to depend on foreign oil while at the same time gas prices keep rising, driving up prices of other goods.

This one is a biggie: liberals want more government control on our lives which is just the opposite of promoting individual freedom.

So the question is, are these people really stupid and crazy (the blind followers may be) or do they actually have a bigger agenda?

Whatever it may be, the above are not consistent with true liberal beliefs. At least not in my book. Again, a more appropriate term for today's so-called liberals is progressives. More and more politicians are now using that term.

Learn more about progessivism and modern liberalism.

What do you think of liberalism vs. conservatism? - Let your voice be heard too.

Are you a liberal or a conservative? Please tell us why or in what ways.

If you don't think you fit into either category (perhaps you're neutral, a moderate, an independent or a libertarian like I am) and still want to comment please scroll to the bottom of the page and enter your comment there. Or hey, maybe you're a progressive? You're welcome to comment too :)

Important, please read before commenting:

All comments have to be approved before being posted (so, they won't show right away). Comments (from either liberals or conservatives) containing foul or abusive language, inflammatory, promoting hate or violence, and those that do not add value (stuff like "ditto", "me too", "I agree/disagree", "I hate so and so", etc.) WILL NOT BE POSTED! Remember, we can disagree without being nasty to each other.

One more thing and then I'll let you post, I promise :)... your post must be original. "Copy and paste" from another site or source is not acceptable.

Are you a liberal or a conservative?

OK, post your comments below.

Glenn Beck - a controversial figure

This section is probably political :)

Some of you may wonder why I added this section. Well, to be honest, I was scared of the things he brought up (and continues to do) on his shows, and I wanted to get others' opinions. It seems I have gathered enough opinions (see below) and I may decide to delete this section in the future, but I'll let it stay for now as it has drawn quite a bit of interest.

Anyway, Glenn Beck is a conservative (he claims to be a libertarian) radio and TV talk show host. I didn't used to listen to him much but a while back someone told me to watch his special series of TV shows (while he was still at Fox). As I said, he brought up some pretty scary stuff. The big question is, is Glenn Beck completely nuts and we should just ignore him, or is there some truth to what he says?

My take: after watching him for a while I personally believe he is someone who truly loves his country and is doing everything he can to "save" it. However, he tends to exaggerate and have a rather pessimistic view of the future which could give the impression that he is a fear monger. On occasion, he also twists things around a little. So, like he himself says, always do your own homework and don't believe everything everybody says, including him.

As you know, he is no longer with Fox and has created his own network called The Blaze. It will be interesting to see how that works out.

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He says this is not a liberal or conservative issue, but a matter of survival especially for our future generations. Is he right, or is he just a scare monger? You be the judge.

 

So what do you think of Glenn Beck?

Now share your thoughts but please be civil. Again, any comments from either side containing foul or abusive language, promoting hate/violence or inflammatory in any way will not be posted! All comments need to be approved, so there will be a slight delay.

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Liberals and conservatives can work together for the good of the country

and they should if they all love their country

All the arguments about liberals vs conservatives can and have actually divided the country, which is not a good thing. It is important to realize that the differences between a liberal and a conservative are their philosophy, their ideology, and the way they look at things and solve problems. In fact, it is healthy to have those differences in order to establish a balance which in the end will create stability as long as all involved love their country and are guided by the principles of the founding fathers.

Therefore, liberals and conservatives should work together for the good of the country and the entire planet for that matter. After all, human beings (regardless of their race, backgrounds, beliefs, or where they live) want the same things in life, namely: love, peace, and joy. It would be to our benefit to put our differences aside and work together toward a bright future for all humankind. It may be hard but not impossible.

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Have you had enough of all the negativity spouted by the media, talk show hosts, and other doom-and-gloomers? This refreshing video might just be an antidote. Enjoy it and have a wonderful day!

Maybe you're neither a liberal nor a conservative but still want to voice your opinion? Or perhaps you don't want to take part in the debate but just want to tell me how much you like this page? Be my guest, and post your comments below :) Remember to keep it nice and clean, and absolutely no spam!

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      Vortrek Grafix 3 years ago

      @sudokunut: I like you comment SudokuNut. "Liberal", "Conservative", Socialist", "Capitalist" and really just semantics. At face value semantics are more political than they are practical. Being open-minded enough to recognize and\or work towards common ground is what counts. I like to think of that as "utopian pragmatism" (*grin* yeah I know more semantics - but it's meant well)

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      Vortrek Grafix 3 years ago

      You were quite right in the earlier part of this lens. The meaning of "True liberalism" is lost by many, whether conservative or liberal (by their evolved meanings that is). Logically (in the philosophical context) a liberal supports any lifestyle, behavior, practice, etc which does not produce a victim. Simple really. And yet so many people object to others deviating from what they consider "the norm". True liberals recognize that most standards the arbitrary product of value judgements adopted from environment and habit. As long as those standrd do not harm anyone else, then they are neithe right, nor wrong, relative to anyone else's standards. Liberals may not particularly partial on a personal level to things such as: gay marriage, religion, tattoos & piercings, various music\art styles, etc, but they tolerate whatever they may not find peronsonally appealing because to do otherwise is to suppress liberty. Many people are too focused on their own life preferences to have a true liberal mindset of tolerance for differences in value judgements.

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      LegitGuy21stCentury 4 years ago

      There needs to be an option for being independent. Not everyone is strictly democrat or republican.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Good lens. I can remember an East Indian woman who became a US citizen and was one of the nicest people I worked with. She was always giving. She had a lot of "push back" because of stereotypes about her beliefs and culture. To make a long story short: one day in frustration she asked the "Rodney King" question: Can we all just get along? (she wrote the question on a board) And someone anonymously wrote in huge beyond 52 point letters: No

      Why does it seem it takes catastrophic events in history for people to "come together" on critical issues: what's that about? There are just some people who hate "civility".

      Love your lens.

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      DavidMichaelRay 4 years ago

      Good lens. It's not even about liberal vs. conservative any more. That's a total smokescreen. I wish people would wake up and stop buying it. It's about authoritarianism vs. liberty. Conservatives impose the authoritarianism of the corporation and liberals impose theirs by way of government regulation and control. It all sounds like some big fight but the end for both is the same end -one side helps the other, because the fight never ends, and because the conservatives' consolidation of corporate control allows an easier focus point for the liberals' government to control society, Consolidationism wins, people lose. Choose your master.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @PeterStip: Coming from the UK, I really envy an America that thinks Socialism is a swear world. Unfortunately, we are now seeing the result of 13 years of it here. The problem with it is, that the lazy and the stupid eventually run out of the rich's money. It's like a giant ponzi scheme.

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      MiaMusement 4 years ago

      I kind of avoided clicking on this lens, but I'm pleased to say you did a good job of describing both your views and giving voice to the alternatives. Even though my political opinions are very much in line with yours, I appreciate that you showed aloha to others' opinions. We liberals are a bunch of push-overs, eh? ;-)

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      PeterStip 5 years ago

      As a European, both liberal and conservative seems to me both quit right-wing.

      I'm an socialist, but reading a lot of comments on the internet, it seems to me this is still a swearword in the US. American politics...I don't get it... I'm happy though that Obama won. A president with a brain, and he uses it.

      Great lens though.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You can always tell a liberal b/c they like to label anything they disagree with as "hate" when they are spewing the hate as badly. Time to grow up. Both conservatives and liberals are fearmongering, hippocrit, race baiting aholes. I am true liberal. Pro-gay marriage, abortion, gun ownership, increasing helpful programs (but more than just handing out cash.) Keeping the government out of our business should be a priority. Most Politicians are liars and crooked. Voting themselves pay raises more than the cost of living every chance they get. absurd. Its funny that other liberals don't see Reverend Al Sharpton as a hate mongering ahole. A guy who on tape several times calls people 'faggots'. Hippocracy at its finest.

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      Mark Falco 5 years ago from Reno, Nevada

      This great divide between liberals and conservatives is a wedge which has been manufactured by both parties aided and abetted by our generally inept media for their own personal gain. People on both the left and the right have way more in common than they are led to believe. I've yet to sit down and talk to a single conservative and not find common ground upon which we both agree, in fact, I'd say we differ on maybe ten percent of the issues and yet if you listen to the political noise machines you'd think we were two separate alien species.

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      Kathryn Grace 5 years ago from San Francisco

      @ratetea: You've said it very well. Listening to other points of view is not as difficult for me as is keeping an open heart. Too often, when I feel others are unwilling to listen to or consider my viewpoint in exchange, especially if they are shouting theirs, I close my heart and mind to theirs. It is a challenge I face and work to overcome every single day.

      It is especially interesting to see the more thoughtful comments on both sides on this page, and how often, it seems, we want quite a few of the same things.

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      Kathryn Grace 5 years ago from San Francisco

      I thank you for the TED Talk video, especially. It is easy to lose sight, in the face of the deep divisions in our country, divisions I feel deeply myself, as well as all the negative news, how far we have come and how far we might go, if we survive the 100 years.

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      ratetea 5 years ago

      I've never fit very well into the mold of liberal vs. conservative, and I don't like the way the Democrats and Republicans have such a lock-hold on American politics. The one issue I feel most strongly about is respect, and I don't see either party standing strongly for respect. I think it is important to listen to people with a broad range of views, including people who disagree with you, and I think ultimately, we could solve more of our problems if we started thinking outside the box instead of trying to identify as (or label everyone as) liberal or conservative.

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      Harriet 5 years ago from Indiana

      I wish there was a party that combined the best views of the liberals and conservatives. Both parties have good and bad ideas, but the bad seem to be dominating more and more and I almost hate to vote.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I took the test, my results: You Are 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

      Not surprised, as a Libertarian I would have expected that.

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      WriterJanis2 5 years ago

      This was very interesting to read, especially with all of the comments.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      First, I like your ideas much better than the thousands of right-wing conservatives that all started a political websites with exactly the same content - namely "talking points" from Fox News and Hate Radio.

      However, you can always tell a web site is being run by a person with a right wing slant by simply looking for a few KEYWORDS. Ex: LIBERAL, SOCIALIST or trying to redefine the dictionary definitions of the words LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE to fit the Fox News propaganda. Progressives, Democrats, and other Lefties will never use the word "liberal" to describe themselves - it's a dead giveaway that a right-winger is behind the text.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If you witness a botched illegal abortion where both lives are lost you will become a liberal.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If we are a Christian nation then we can blame Christians for the murder of all those Native Americans, the enslavement of African Americans, the murder of 3 million people in Vietnam and the continuing murders after 10 years of war against Afghanistan. Your "Christian nation", should "go to hell".

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If government was the largestclient of Medical services then their would be do medical industry without government help. I get my great medical from the great socialized medicine provided to veterans in Long Beach Calif.

      Medical care is expensive not because of civil service workers overseeing it but because of the billions paid to the CEO's of insurance Corporations. and the profits paid to stockholders, non of which are in the Veterans Administration.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Then why do all countries with government healh care pay HALF what we do per capita for higher-rated results? Talk to a medical tourist, and you find for major procedures, it;s more like 10X the price here - including most drugs.

      It's no coincidence that reent studies proved privatizing a government function doubles its cost. Someone gets that profit, and it's not a majority or even plurality of te citizens. It's far LESS, in fact, than one percent of them (us.)

      We pay our "doctors" an average of double what oter countries od, and the result? The former "calling," or "profession," now attracts the type of "professional" who runs a pill and/or 'scrip mill. Though I don;t claim t's 100%, it;s provably rampant copmared to say the 1950's. They're attracted to the profit possibilities, not the job of healing. That's why Medicine (and many others) need to be nationalized, and the privatization of things like defense, law enforcement, prisons, Justice, and even lawmaking, need to be renationalized. We can't aford the overhead, the profit, and the gross economic inequality.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Conservatives believe in small goverment to help the corporations who already bleed us dry. Defense is just another privatized business, anothjer way to get the treasury to help corporations maximize ther profits in the world, and with our tax money, earned by actual work..

      Most people are helpless before the power of large corporate industry, and even the wealth of smaller business owners, or even the something-for-nothing investor/gamblers on Wall Street. What they have in common is the business "ethic" that anything is worth doing if there's profit in it - and its effect on others and society; even its legality, is irrelevant compared to that profit justification.

      That;s why people banded together to form government - to pool their money and power, to protect themselves AND EACH OTHER, from what the individual could never afford to do.

      I believe that problem at the time (of foundation) was evident enough to go to (Revolutionary) war over - the perversion of that core defiining government purpose, by Queen Elizabeth 1's "charter " of the East India Tea Company - the first official merger of corporate and government power, and the first formal incorporation.. And that was Mussolini- its INVENTOR-'s definition (not Webster's) of Fascism - the merger of government and corporate power.

      America EXISTS to fight fascism - not to succumb to its greed.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thank You, RHytonen

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @IanMayfield: Or even non mortal enemies. Even friends disagree.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: How to become 'socially' liberal in two seconds: Meet someone right after a botched illegal abortion, and watch them die.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I never suggested you had. This thread is hierarchically arranged as a response to "James Prescott's" June 9 post, above.

      And, if I were to list the facts I've checked/had to check, it would be the longest post in the history of the internet. And those on the AARP politics forums for two years or more would probably agree that I would be breaking my own record there. Unfortunately much of that was lost when they changed their forum S/W (& not for the better,) dumping some very heated (and very informative) archives from 2008-10. I assume the R vs. D wack-a-mole will continue there when DLA Piper (AFP's money launderer)starts cutting conservative online shill/troll " 'Big Lie' Machine" checks again. I'm not sure I'll be up to it this time. Anyway I think their assumption that seniors are gullible to such things, is as misguided as the dubious stats that most seniors vote R. Who living on social security (or about to,) votes to have it abolished?

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      IanMayfield 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Astonishingly, it is possible to have differing opinions on things without being mortal enemies.

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      IanMayfield 5 years ago

      @anonymous: This assumes that it is or should be a competition.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thank you Rhytonen. Well said

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I have not claimed or even hinted that conservatives and liberal pundits are the same or equal. Have you checked any facts ? If so what are they?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The attempt to equate liberal and conservative pundits only escapes derision if you don't check facts.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @shellys-space: And I used to trust business not to do certain things that are patently (and rightfully) illegal for an individual. I am fearful of corporations and the fact they run the country and create the laws for their own profit.

      That means robbing and plundering (technical term cf: Bastiat, just another word for Fascism "=govt+industry," Mussolini) the other 99% of the country, using the force of law and police to defend and create more of that power and money for that few.

      Business is too powerful by itself, that's why we formed a government to control it and protect us from the absolute profit motive and the irresistible abouse by the riches/power it creates. That loop of money=power=more money, needs to be broken and controlled, any way necessary - or else you get.... what we now have. Fascism.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Don't let anyone ever tell you what is the right think to think, I'm sure you know how to make your own choices.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @pawpaw911: There is no need for anyone to work together in a meaningful way, is there. Who would they be working together, against ?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: What is it that you want to change ? Do you want everyone to conform to a single opinion on one or all things ?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't think that anyone makes money out of promoting differences or sewing dissention. Media hosts have no difficulty finding persons who are already different and dissenters before they appear on any show. This country is devided, and there is no need for unity of agrrement on all or any issue. Differences and dissent is the glory of our freedom of expression. It is those who want to get rid of differences and force unity who are the true enemies of freedom.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      There are people who make a lot of money promoting differences between people and heir views. Most people are not all conservative or liberal or progressive or anything else. Most people hold views that incorporate parts of all ideas they consider benifical to themselves and their country. Americans are more open minded than they're given credit for. The divison of ideas is exploited for profit by talk show hosts and other irresponsible media personalties who have no intention of discontinuing to sew dissention as long as it pays well. It is a small but vocal minority that listens to and lables themselves according to these derogatory entainers. One can only hope that that their ill advised retoric and gutter positions loose favor and income before their influence does much more damage to the country they profess to love.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Watching an abortion on camera or even live wouldn't change my opinion about the right of a woman to choose what happens to her body, regardless of if the pregnancy resulted .by rape incest, or failure to use a contrceptive. Ask a woman. If you as a man do not want abortions do not have any. What about all the sperm that are aborted without the chance to meet up with an egg ? Those lives lost are thousands of times more numerious than "unborn babies."

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Deport the illegal killing gringo aliens from Afghanistan.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Children born in wedlock also get subsidized by the government by way of tax deductions and other free services, including education. Don't worry about some $5,000 check that people get that you think do not deserve it. It is a much bigger problem that thousands of people earn millions/year and only have to pay 15% like candidate Romney.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Don't be frustrated, just be awaire of the fact that you do not have to believe the judgment of any person known or hidden, on these internet pages.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Well. so far my words have been allowed by the gate keeper here.

      "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the the terrorism of the rich"

      ---- Sir Peter Ustinov ------

      Deport the illegal killing gringo aliens from Afghanistan. We can't win that war and it is very expensive in money and lives lost on both sides.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @jEsChrDs82: "No offense" ? ? Freedom of speech requires that people usually will be offended.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      If their is supposed to freedom of expression in this country, why do we have to submit to approval by, who know who.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: No we are not all on the same team, in either foreign or domestic affairs.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      How to become socialy conservative in five minutes: watch an abortion performed on camera. If it wasn't for this one issue millions upon millions of so-called right-wingers would unite with the rest of the country on many issues, and it would be a stronger, better nation. The division on this one issue will only become worse, unfortunately.

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      R Toney 5 years ago

      We The People... there is no label in that, i don't know why insist on labels now

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      The founders never intended a Theocracy. They were in fact forming a country that was neither theocratic (Example:Iran,) nor corporatist (what the ORIGINAL tea party was against - The merger of the power of Queen Elizabeth I's Britain and the East India Tea Co.)

      The fear of some midwestern states of winding up under Sharia law is just as preposterous as the possibility (or advisability) of our winding up under Judeo-Christian "Law," for one reason: because our Constitution FORBIDS it - remember that

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Neither. Being one or the other is the problem with this country. Until we realize we're all on the same team, nothing will ever change.

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      Shelly Sellers 5 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      I used to be liberal when I was younger, but have changed to conservative in my old (HA) years. I am registered as an independent and do not plan to change to D or R. I am fearful for the debt, unrest, and the widening split in America today.

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      Edutopia 5 years ago

      Your closing is especially prescient in this day and age. Since the Kennedy/Nixon race the two major parties have increasingly relied on identity and tribal politics to win elections, meaning more and more people are not voting FOR something but rather AGAINST something.

      With each passing election both parties have played a game of brinksmanship to the point where now with Republicans in the minority position have come out with truly bizarre, wildly divergent from reality, positions to attack the Democratic party with. I fully expect that the next time the Democratic party finds itself in a minority position they'll push the envelope one step further, too.

      Politics and a functioning government isn't a football game. The goal should never be to ensure the other side loses but to find the best solution agreeable to the most amount of people that still protects the rights of those who disagree with the majority opinion.

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      jEsChrDs82 5 years ago

      Great post, made me think which side I really am. I still think I'm neither of the two, as I always see myself neutral, but it looks like I'm more conservative than liberal which I strongly opposed, no offense :)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I'm frustrated with the quiz as it says I'm more conservative than liberal but it's an interesting test.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Interesting lens. On that quiz, I got 85% liberal and 15% conservative.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I stumbled on this site while trying to figure out if my son and daughter in law are truly, truly, liberal. What I have found out instead was that most people are neither, I consider myself moderate, but in fact if tests are accurate, I would have to say I am conservative. I am indeed a Republican that is not impressed with the choices we have at this time. But if I were a Democrat I would feel the same way. My thinking on the whole thing is that everything is controlled by the need for power and the love of money. There are too many people in the political arena that have never worked in the private sector so unfortunately they have no understanding of how ordinary people actually live and survive. Most do not understand that couples that want to have children, have them out of wed lock in order to have the government pay for them, then schedule weddings around tax refund time, so they can use their refund checks for weddings and honeymoons. I work for a financial institution and income tax season is a very sore subject at work, the average check for a single mom or single dad is 5000. These people do not pay in this kind of money so where is the money coming from???? I have to pay 500 a month for health insurance, not to mention a big deductible, but so many of these same people have a 'get in quick, leave for nothing' card. This is why I am conservative, I want to work and control my own life.

      I wish we could have leaders that understood this, but there is no way they do because the ones that want us to 'live green' do not live green! They jet from one corner of the globe to another, they create non-sense laws that make them feel they are helping the less fortunate.

      I am not fooled by this push to tax the rich, does anyone have any idea how much much some of the politician are making? These new so called changes will not tax these rich because there will be too many loop holes and exemptions or they just won't pay their taxes until someone points it out when they are running for a higher position.

      I don't care what your sexual orientation is, I don't even care if you choose to kill your unborn child, I just don't want to have to pay for it.

      I don't care if you don't want a gun in your home, just leave mine alone. "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

      I can't understand why so many people were more excited over the fact that "America has change" because we voted in a white/black man for president. Don't vote the color, vote the qualifications!

      This is a FREE NATION! If I want to vote Democrat even though I am Republican, I am voting Democrat! My husband considers himself a Conservative Democrat, he has not voted Democrat since the 70's.

      My parents were stance Democrats, I tho't my Daddy would have a heart attack when at 18 I registered as a Republican, but what can I say, he raised to make up my own mind and be independent and stand for what I believe, so that is what I did and what I continue to do.

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      IanMayfield 5 years ago

      The behaviour and attitudes of neither the "liberals" nor the "conservatives" of the modern US bear much resemblance to what those political movements traditionally stand for; and it only makes things worse that one of these labels has become attached to the Democratic Party and the other to the Republican Party.

      I'm a somewhat dispassionate observer of American politics because as a permanent resident I can't vote, but incline towards the Democrats, even if they are taking a devilishly long time to figure out that Republicans have no interest in compromising on anything whatsoever and need to get stuffed.

      Republicans talk a good game and like to portray themselves as competent, sensible managers and their opposite numbers as naive, childish idealists, but very few of their positions actually stand up to scrutiny.

      "Conservative" bloggers also have the annoying habit of avoiding honest debate by claiming that their arguments cannot possibly be refuted, then censoring you when you do.

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      kittitianhill 6 years ago

      Pretty good post. I just stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say that I have really enjoyed reading your blog posts. Any way I'll be subscribing to your feed and I hope you post again soon.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I consider myself being more liberal than conservative. Unexpected things happen where change needs to happen. I refuse to vote next term because of the unnecessary mess I was taken through over the past 4-5 years. People have rights that should be respected regardless of what they stand for that will not hurt or harm others or themselves. Doing things the traditional way when an unexpected thing happen in your life causes STRESS and stress kills. NO thanks...

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      GrowWear 6 years ago

      Neither liberal nor conservative. Just me. ...Beck is being paid to spread hate, disharmony, and misinformation. Would recommend that folks do their own research about what is happening both with OWS as well as with this global crisis we're in by reading some Gerald Celente, who gives his expert opinion about our current economic condition. Minus the hate-filled rhetoric. Hope Beck can sleep at night earning his dollar through hate and fearmongering.

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      PTurner56 6 years ago

      The obstructionism continues in Washington, and what is the point? The obstructionists are only making themselves look bad; no, worse. All theyâve done since 2010 is say no, no, no. Why? Are they that afraid of a second term African American President? Really? That makes me ashamed of being an American. Iâm embarrassed. This is not the Country I thought I lived in.

      Previous contentious administrations did not inspire confidence, but I donât remember people hating each other like they do now. Itâs scary. My confidence in this Country is dwindling fast. As long as the fighting continues in Washington, no one is benefitting; we just go on suffering.

      Why are you obstructionists being so stubborn? Whatâs the problem? Whatâs the point? Do you have no heart for anyone but yourselves? Really? Wow⦠I know that talking to you would be a waste of time for both of us, so the only thing left to do, in order to save ourselves, is to fight. I see revolution coming. Donât laugh, think about it. Demonstrations are going on all over the place; it reminds me of the sixties. We are experiencing turbulent times. I hope we come through it. And I wish I were more hopeful.

      Isnât that sad?

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      On rereading the header's premise, the author's presumptive definition here of what "Progressives" believe is probably the least accurate definition I have ever read.

      This "lens" thus casts serious doubt on its design as well as its implementation,

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      The definitions of "liberal v conservative" by almost all posters here, and even the author of the site, prove without a doubt, that almost NO American who announces one of these orientations has the slightest idea of its true formal definition (much like those of Fascism, or of Socialism.) Apparently for much of America today, fact-free media repetition intended to vilify or lionize and even redefine various views, obviously for profit, "defines" these terms; rather than the accepted norms of language.

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      Tolovaj Publishing House 6 years ago from Ljubljana

      Interesting lens, in Europe we understand liberalism or conservatism slightly different, I have feeling in America all is more or less show for voters. Well, Europoliticians are working hard to become more similar to their American role models...

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @pawpaw911: I agree. one side is clearly right, and the other saturated with money interest.

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      Nicole Pellegrini 6 years ago from New Jersey

      This is a great debate page and I really enjoyed it. I appreciated that you didn't just fall into the typical liberal vs. conservative divide but acknowledged the Libertarian standpoint, which is personally my own as well. And it can be tough when it seems like neither of our major political parties wants to listen to a socially liberal/fiscally conservative point of view. They end up alienating a lot of voters like myself that way.

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      pawpaw911 6 years ago

      I don't think liberals and conservatives will work together in a meaningful way in my lifetime.

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      sushilkin lm 6 years ago

      Its very nice to read your lens. Thanks for sharing. Contribute your like for -PRAY FOR JAPAN

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      Pete Schultz 6 years ago

      the problems the world face are essentially because liberal and conservative perspectives swing to the extremes either way. We need to have voices of moderation to balance the extremes. very interesting lens.

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      Kay 6 years ago

      Definitely some interesting perspectives on this lens. I value those who are willing to listen to another's opinion without putting them (or their ideas) down.

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      Julianne Gentile 6 years ago from Cleveland, Ohio, US

      I enjoyed this lens. Nice work and Merry Christmas!

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      Liz Mackay 7 years ago from United Kingdom

      I'm British. Our Liberals and Canservatives are in coalition at the moment. I'm not really interested in politics. I just live my life and vote but don't feel my vote makes any difference. But this lens is blessed by a squid angel and featured on Me?!! A Squid Angel.

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      Vicki Green 7 years ago from Wandering the Pacific Northwest USA

      A great duel about US politics. I especially liked how even-handedly you treated both sides of the issue instead of being blatantly biased toward one point of view. Instead of name-calling and demonizing each other we all need to listen and be respectful of each side's point of view. Your closing comments said it all: "Therefore, liberals and conservatives should work together for the good of the country". Blessed by a SquidAngel.

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      ModernEconomics 7 years ago

      You should really change this to libertarian instead of liberal. I am a libertarian with a lean towards conservative on some topics, but you are def a libertarian, not a liberal in today's meaning of the word.

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      mywebcontent 7 years ago

      This is an interesting lens... I think that there are good points to both sides - maybe libertarian attempts to do that? In any case, I would love to see a lens that covers that. In the end, everyone wants the same thing however. We all just get stuck on how to accomplish it.

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      RebeccaE 7 years ago

      I have read this with fasination, as I am not from America, teh whole "liberal" and "conservative" thing means something different here. We in fact have two poltical parties, names the liberals and teh progressive conservatives (aka the conservatives) but both ideaologies are center a bit to the right. So, this was a great lens, bravo.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      Nice lens,love it!

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      this is very difficult cause i agree with different things on each side so what does that make me is there a grey area?

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      I am a conservative.

      As all, I am passionate about my views.

      My only comment is---

      What a great web-site! I'm glad I stumbled upon it! thanks!!

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      dessertlover 7 years ago

      Personally I don't really consider myself a liberal or a conservative. I'm more of a use your frickin' head kind of girl....I don't know when common sense got flushed down the toilet, but both parties could use a little of it these days (in my humble opinion of course). GREAT lens! Maybe you should add a love or hate Jon Stewart module to offset the one of Glenn Beck. I think the results would be very interesting.

      P.S. Kudos to you for supporting CAER Food Shelf....one of my favorite charities too:)

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      @anonymous: There is more going on than opinion swapping. People are making demands for other people to turn over their property - their goods, their wealth, their stuff. By what right do they do this?

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      @anonymous: Are you saying that one person's need is a legitimate claim on the private property of another? I need something so you must give me some of what you have?

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      norma-holt 7 years ago

      Great debate but USA focused. *-*Blessed*-* and featured on Sprinkled with Stardust and also on charity-lenses-for-summer-sunshine-giveaway

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      it's funny that when you look at both sides, they both make sense. obviously not in EVERY aspect but for the most part they do. i think it's interesting to look at both sides of the issue. however, it's even more interesting to have your own opinion BEFORE you heard the opinion of a "conservative" or a "liberal." that way, your opinion is your opinion an no one is telling you what's the RIGHT thing to think.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      At this point in time and in our society, I don't think humans are capable of knowing the REAL truth. Indeed we are intelligent creatures but honestly; only God knows what is true. Some things that are blown out of proportion here on earth may not even have that much of a significance to God. I think it's ridiculous to go into the different sides. Labels are not needed. Every person has their own opinion. That my friends is the keyword: OPINION. I personally can't even listen to the global warming argument any longer. You would think science would give us a straight up RIGHT answer but it doesn't. Half the SCIENTISTS say its true and half the SCIENTISTS say its not. So is science even that reliable? We're constantly hearing of these new scientific discoveries that are disputing old ones. To wrap it up: I have my morals, my values, my faith, and my opinions. You have yours. Sharing everyones' differences doesn't do much because it's hard to change a person's opinion. This website is good for research purposes, finding the stereotypical definition of a certain label, or just VIEWING the numerous thoughts that are out there. We are so tiny compared to this universe. There is something greater than us mere human beings.

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      VSP 7 years ago

      Great idea for a page. I'll have to comeback later when I have more time to read and add input.

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      LoKackl 7 years ago

      Enjoyed the discussion and compliment your success in creating balance! I'm glad to see a 50/50 (nearly) of L-C voices on Squidoo. SquidAngel Blessed!

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      @anonymous: A lot of nonliberals are human and are for health care. It's just that they aren't for it the way it is currently set up. Why is that so hard to understand? To throw the shoe on the other foot... Why are nonliberals who are against the "OBAMA" health care plan labeled as uncaring?

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      kab 7 years ago from Upstate, NY

      "If you like the health insurance you have now, you can keep it just as it is." ... yeah, um, only if my employer decides to keep it just as it is. On the other hand, he could just join the gov't plan which would not be nearly as comprehensive.

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      Virginia Allain 7 years ago from Central Florida

      @anonymous: It's a real shame that fear mongering has poisoned people's minds against health care reform. The bill isn't perfect, but I know real people suffering under the current situation. They need help!!!

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      Virginia Allain 7 years ago from Central Florida

      I see you're getting lots of responses on this. Hopefully you won't get hate mail like members of congress are.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      Can't believe you have to be liberal in the US to be for health care. How about being human. Just caring about your fellow man. I can't speak for all of the Western World but having health care, in the two countries I have spent my life in, is not am issue but a necessity of life.

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      Carol Goss 7 years ago

      What a great lens, I never really knew what I was till my son told me I was a liberal. lol

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      Deb Kingsbury 7 years ago from Flagstaff, Arizona

      Me, I just don't like labels, and I personally never fall neatly into any category. But this is an interesting discussion, and you've certainly gotten some good feedback. Well done!

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      Heather Burns 7 years ago from Wexford, Ireland

      I've always been a Libertarian. Limited government, personal responsibility, low taxes, follow the constitution.I do not believe the government should tell us what to put in our own bodies, who to sleep with, where to go to church or who we worship.Also don't believe they should try to legislate morality. Don't believe in lobbyism, do believe in the free market and that it should be allowed to do its job. I think both parties have lost their way. My motto has always been: Vote Libertarian, money back guarantee.

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      fedoria 7 years ago

      You have interesting point of view!

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      @anonymous: I thank God, that he has placed me on this earth to cancel out your vote. You are obviously parnoid, and can only regurgitate the tripe put out by ideologues, such as Rush "Oxycotin" Limbaugh. Please, we had eight years, of destructive and devisive Republican policies. It is time to bring back order and civility, to our democracy. The Republicans destroyed the economy, decimated the budget surplus, and led us into two wars, so please don't talk to me about the country going to hell in a handbasket. The Republicans did a fine job of that, for the last eight years. It is hard to maintain a civil tone when I read tripe like this.

      Hidden agenda, that was what President Bush had, when he went into Afghanistan, the real agenda was Iraq. Not caring for the future of our children, then why did the Bush administration squander the budget surplus he inherited, when he took office and leave the U.S. with a 1.3 trillion deficit? Another one of your quotes..." befiore we lose some of our freedom..." The Bush administration took away more of America's freedoms, than any other President, in history. Son, I will pray for you and all the other misguided souls who share your uninformed beliefs.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      I am doing my best to speak out to the American people to vote for the conservative party in 2010. Plus, I am trying to get the diehard Democrats to see Obama for the so-called leader he really is before it is too late to take back our country in 2010. I am sure you have taken notice to the fact that the country is fed up with all the frivolous spending and Obamaâs hidden agenda and are ready to fight back. I praise the fact that there are some good people in the world like you to help protect us from the corruption. I sincerely hope the Tea Party Express can help us in accomplishing this goal before the next election in 2010. If we do not take back control now, I am not sure our country will ever recover. I beg you to continue fighting for us regarding the health care reform bill, cap and trade bill and the other damaging bill still yet to come prior to the election (immigration reform must also be stopped to maintain any ounce of safety in our country and prevent the illegal immigrants from obtaining American rights since they came to our country without the proper authorization-not to mention this bill would likely improve his odds of maintaining control over our country). Dick Morris mentioned in his book "Catastrophe" that Obama will likely try to inflate the census totals in 2010 to help him gain a better chance of keeping the majority control in Congress. He must be stopped because I have never seen our political arena in more scary times as I have seen them right now. I have stood behind the Republicans ever since I could vote and do not plan to give up on the party without a fight.

      I continue to have faith in the Lord and know he will come through for all his people. I would never envision it any other way in today's depressing times. In an ideal world, we would have a Democrat President and a Republican President so both parties could follow the people who they felt would do a better job representing them. Of course, the Democrats would have to take the full responsibility for their share of the debt in the world since the Republicans are the more conservative group. I could never see the Republican Party performing the type of evil acts on the American people that the current administration is doing to us. They are letting us all down in so many ways and it is really sad. Personally, with all the events taking place in today's time I would not be surprised if God is coming for us soon. I just do not think it is right for the Democrats to put this much tax burden on the American people for many years to come. I think most of the damage will be done by the time we are hopefully able to gain control back. I can only hope we are able to undo some of the terrible bills they have managed to pass along the way. I have never seen a group be against the bi-partisan agenda in all the years I have been alive. If all else fails, I know some people are even hopeful that one day Texas can secede as a separate republic from the other states. I am proud to be a Texas Republican!

      It is clear that Satan is under attack regarding the current political agenda in our world today. How else can you explain the demented minds of those in Congress and the White House? Under Obama's current hidden agenda, he is stopping at nothing to pass all these bills that include frivolous spending and, I am starting to think he enjoys making the American people swarm and beg for mercy. He is turning our country into a huge mockery and everyone needs to wake up before it is too late. I guarantee you over time the health care reform bill and the cap and trade bill will both only result in nothing but trillions of taxpayer dollars being wasted and nothing else will be gained. The most frightening thing is that all the diehard Democrats are oblivious under Obama's control and I am puzzled by the fact that they can stand and support someone who continues to threaten our country and hire these prior criminals to represent what we stand for in America. America will never be the same after the current administration has done all the damage to us. I pray more people take a stand against all of them in the 2010 elections and vote for the conservative smart party rather than this corrupted party with a hidden agenda only out to destroy all of us and our country if they truly care. There is plenty of evidence in the world today via books, Fox News and the other media sources available to anyone. Let's stand united with each other and force them to stop all the frivolous spending before we raise the bar even higher on our deplorable debt. God Bless Our Nation and pray God helps us take on the enemy before we lose some of our freedom. I believe we all want to live in a control-free environment, so no one should back the Democrat Party any longer. If they want every hard earned cent to go toward failed bills and have the Government control every aspect of their life, then they need to please reconsider their priorities.

      I hope you all have a happy and prosperous new year. I praise God to the Republican Party for fighting for the American people (unlike the sorry Democrats) and for listening to us. Most of all, I feel sorry for all the future generations who will be paying the price for all the corruption in the world right now. It is like they do not care about the future of their children and grandchildren. Sad! I continue to pray everyday that we get our country back on track so we can all live with a better piece of mind in todayâs struggling times.

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      lasertek lm 8 years ago

      Nice debate! The liberal & conservative sides have both good arguments and it is pretty difficult to decide which is better than the other. It is important for a person to consider a few things before deciding which side to go for.

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      anonymous 8 years ago

      [in reply to boshemia] Bohemia...you took the words right out of my mouth....well said....

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      Rhonda Albom 8 years ago from New Zealand

      Interesting debate. Squid Angel Blessed.