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Men's Rights Movement vs. Feminism

Updated on September 11, 2014
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Men's Rights Activists vs. Feminists: Which Side of the Battle are You On?

Who's got it worse in today's society: men or women? The battle of the sexes is nothing new, but it's taken on a new aspect in recent times with the rise of the men's rights movement - a seeming reaction against feminism.

For decades, feminists have spoken out loudly against the biases and discrimination they face in the workplace, in education, and in achieving equal rights in society. They have spoken out to end abuse and to fight against a society that tends to blame the victim for sexual abuse and rape, instead of the rapist. Feminists have fought for the right to control what happens to their bodies, including the right to have an abortion. They believe we live in a patriarchal society and one which has been that way for centuries - if not thousands of years through the history of mankind.

The "Men's Rights Movement" (MRM) takes a different stance, and is in many ways a kind of anti-feminism. Men's rights activists (MRAs) believe we live in a matriarchal society that is constantly working to devalue the work, rights and humanity of men. They believe that men are not given equal rights as compared to women when it comes to custodial cases, divorce and alimony payments. They believe that women today are interested in "feminizing" and in a sense "emasculating" men by challenging the traditional roles of men in society - or, by expecting men to work and be the primary breadwinner in a family while the woman "sits at home and does nothing all day," reaping the benefits of her husband's hard labor.

Do you feel that the men's rights movement is correct in their positions? Or do you believe the MRM is a misguided and dangerous attack on the progress feminism has made in recent decades? Do we need to stop devaluing men in today's society, or are men so privileged they are simply lashing out at any attempts to challenge the patriarchy? Here is your chance to join the debate!

Defining Terms: Feminism vs. Men's Rights - Know Your Words Before Getting in to the Debate

Before getting in to any arguments, let us first make sure we all understand the terminology being used.

  • Feminism

    Wikipedia's definition of feminism begins as follows: "Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights and equal opportunities for women. Its concepts overlap with those of women's rights."

    For more on defining and understanding feminism, see the excellent Feminism 101 Guide at Shakesville.


  • Men's Rights and the Men's Rights Movement (MRM, or MRA for "Men's Rights Activist")

    Again going to Wikipedia, we see Men's Rights described as follows: "The term men's rights refers to freedoms and rights of boys and men. This term is specifically related to focusing on rights which are protected for girls and women of all ages, yet inadequately protected for boys and men of all ages, and fall within the broader context of human rights. In essence, this term refers to human rights and dignity for men."


  • Matriarchy

    From Dictionary.com:
    1. a family, society, community, or state governed by women.
    2. a form of social organization in which the mother is head of the family, and in which descent is reckoned in the female line, the children belonging to the mother's clan; matriarchal system.

    Origin: 1880-85; matri- + -archy
  • Patriachy

    From Dictionary.com:
    1. a form of social organization in which the father is the supreme authority in the family, clan, or tribe and descent is reckoned in the male line, with the children belonging to the father's clan or tribe.
    2.a society, community, or country based on this social organization.

    Origin: 1555-65; < Greek patriarchía.

Question: Do we live in a patriarchy or matriarchy? - Who holds all the power in today's society?

What's your opinion? Is today's society, in the Western world, more of a matriarchy or a patriarchy? Who is really in charge, the men or the women?

Do you feel we live in a patriarchal or matriarchal world today?

It's a patriarchal world - men have all the privilege.

It's a patriarchal world - men have all the privilege.

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    • anonymous 3 years ago

      this MRM is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard. Feminist just want equality, there are no male jobs now a days women can do just as much as a male can. And to think women who live off their man's pay "sit at home and do nothing" is one of the most naïve things to think.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      That it's ridiculous to assume that these organisations are inherently different. Issues for men affect women too, as do women's issues affect men. This question is narrow, much like the minds of people involved in these issues.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      The definitions provided for "matriarchy" and "patriarchy" here have nothing to do with which gender has all the privilege. There will be inequality on both sides however society is arranged governance-wise. In the past, our society was patriarchal based on children belonging to their fathers. Nowadays, though the woman more often takes her husband's name, yet if he leaves her she will keep her children (except in severe circumstances, where she is unable to care for them). Nonetheless, given the percentage of women in leadership roles, our society can hardly be said to be "governed by women." However, this all applies specifically to western democratic nations. Around the world, matriarchal societies can surely be found, but the most common social arrangement is patriarchal.Neither, the answer is neither. Don't make me pick a side. Why must these issues be so divisive?

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      i will never get over how stupid feminism is...they have no understanding if economics, history, or biology. their arguments are purely based on emotion, lack of critical thinking, corruption, and entitlement (Women DESERVE everything men have, just because)

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      beaten down by their words? wtf are you talking about? lol and it's funny when you say that men always thought of women as "lowly." Women had their own "pedestal," men created civilization, with all the technology that makes your life easier, fought countless wars , put you first in all situations of danger you and you dare say men thought of you as "lowly?" Too many of you believe the feminist interpretation of history of women being mistreated and treated like trash without down your own research on the subject. Oh and btw, before women's lib, women were a lot happier (an actual statistic).Men still control government and almost all positions of power, yet these men choose to protect and cater to women first before men, for specific reasons. and no its not a "matriarchal world" because Europe and North America do not constitute as "world"

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      I think that as one we should have equal rights because one without the other is nothing. men are to caught up in us "emasculating" them when we have been beaten down by their words for far too many years and now when we decide to speak up it's a bad thing? When the american revolution came around or the french or any other kind, it was ok for them to fight for what they believe in but its not ok for us to do that because your pride is clouding your vision. Women want to feel as if they are a companion to you not a lowly person. Men and women should have equal rights because when it all comes down to the end we're all humans and we deserve to treat each other and have the same rights as you would want for yourself.

    • Tony Bonura 4 years ago from Tickfaw, Louisiana

      Patriarchal of course. That's what all the fuss is about from these feminist babes. Look what privileges they were able to get for women: non equal pay, open your own damn doors and carry your own loads, abortion. What a mess they have made of things.TonyB

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      Forgot something. True equality may not ever be reached, but we must assert ourselves to come as close as possible in ALL areas to create an equal world, rather than a patriarchal or matriarchal society.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      Taking an honest and diplomatic approach, there isn't an overall power in sexes, with women having been mistread in the past, and with men losing out in legal power. I really believe that our focus should not be on Womens rights, or Males rights, but more so on bringing the areas that are lacking on one side up to par with the other. This includes all demagraphics including race. Some groups have it better off in one, more or all areas, and the others must be brought up to par, rather than JUST focusing on one side, that may have a better position in some areas that the other sides are missing out on.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      I do think that in some cases, men should have more rights. Like in custody cases, judges are generally biased and lean towards the mother taking the children. Which makes sense in some ways, but sometimes, in my case, my father was a better parent by far. However, for this movement to say the world is matriarchal is a far, far off fantasy

    • melissa-park 4 years ago

      I think that the Mens Movement is a classic example of sexism ... throughout history men have treated women as if they are pets who are not entitled to an opinion ......... and in many countries they STILL do, on a worldwide scale discrimination against women is widespread. We are divided because women are still killed and punished in some places just because they are women! That divides us! The wide view of this issue is not about money or wages it is about the right to live as free, equal human beings.

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      We should stop bitching on who has it worse and stop dividing ourselves so we can work to end negative gender tropes, no matter whose gender it is. Since I had to pick a side I choose patriarchy because I feel the gender roles fallout is due to a historically patriarchal society.

    • Mary 4 years ago from Midwest

      Even though it has gotten better over the years I still thing we live in a Patriarchal world.The men i have been around know it to. It has been said to me from my own husband that it's a man's world and don't forget it. I let most of what he says like this go through one ear and out the other.I have opend a couple accounts in the past now mind you his name wasn't on them at all. Next thing i get the bill and he is now the full account holder. This maybe a small thing but it really ticked me off.I made a trip back to them and flat told the guy that i know men think this is a mans world but I'm the one who opend thins account and you basically take my name off and added my husbands name. I want it changed back the way it should be. Well he thought i was insane and maybe i was but i was sick of everything coming back in his name and felt like i was nothing. My person as a woman can't have something in her name.Anyway, after about 30 min. it was changeI know when you all read this your going to think i'm nuts but i was just so sick of feeling like i didn't matter.Maybe it's the small town i live in.Nice lens though, I like reading what everyone has to say.

    • sousababy 5 years ago

      Patriarchal - evidenced by women still only earning (at best) around 75% for every dollar that a man makes. Women have higher costs of living too (requiring 20 - 25% more for clothing, makeup &amp; toiletries) and single mothers and elderly women have an almost doubled need of their current income (and this is in 2012)!

    • clairewalsh 5 years ago

      I agree with Sockil, people do not even see the day to day privilege that men have. I see the opposing viewpoint regarding being forced to join the military as a male, but that is not in every society. For instance, in Israel, everyone has to serve. I believe in the volunteer-based system.

    • Nicole Pellegrini 5 years ago from New Jersey

      I believe we absolutely live in a patriarchal world. It is so insidious that many times we don't even see how gender bias is ingrained into our minds and how we choose to value men's works over women's, and how much women have to fight for every bit of recognition, freedom and privilege that men take for granted.

    It's a matriachal world - women have all the privilege.

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      • anonymous 3 years ago

        This question is not posed right. The MRM does not promulgate the belief in a "matriarchy" like Feminism's belief in the "patriarchy" and posing this either-or question gives too much credit into a one-size-fits all interpretation of phenomena in history and society. What MRMs say is that females throughout the ages and cultures have a unique set of privileges. These privileges are protected while Feminism asserts new rights. To give only one example: the right to vote for men comes with the duty to serve in the military. Women were given the right to vote by men for no obligation in return. That is not matriarchy, that is an example of female privilege. So, I don't pick either answer, they are both wrong. Yet, because I am forced to pick a side I take the side that "women have privilege" to counter-balance what most others (including myself) were made to believe. Still the question is invalid and unnecessarily divisive.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        I don't think the society is matriarchal or patriarchal. this question is too narrow.I do think both genders are often devalued and disparaged, not ubiquitously. Feminism does have it's extremist militant proponents. Women have a lot of historical disadvantages. But we also live in the present. Both genders (and other genders and non gendered people) should have full rights and should not be disparaged. We are each valuable.Currently society is a mixed bag. Women have farrrrr more power and leeway in dating, marriage and sexual realms. They can work as anything, although statisticly the numbers employed are not the same in most fields, but that is natural and inevitable. Studies have shown that women are less likely to ask for raises. Are men actually inherently choosing to pay women less? I wouldn't do that. But I don't own a company.Rhiannon has great points. I also think the answer is neither

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        matriarchal

      • theenchantedlan 4 years ago

        Definitely a matriarchy...It is clear society is more based on feminine views, more than on mens. I don't want to say men don't have equal rights- my opinion on that matter is that both man and woman have point in which they are devalued- but if we just look at popular culture, men are reduced to arm candy, which has to be able to please a woman, either as a lover or as a gay best friend. Also the idea of a man is very ridgedly defined than womans and if you step out of this, the consequences are much more harsh. A man, by society, has to be tough and muscular and has to be independent and comfident (while not be an asshole). Men also must love sports and be competitive and behave more like cavepeople than woman. If a man doesn't want to adapt to this standards, it is of a much greater consequence. A woman for example who wants to have a short hairstyle and wear some baggy jeans, isn't as bad as a man who straightens his hair with a curling iron and likes to wear skirts.My opinion on feminism is that it has been a great revolution. Both sexes were trapped in riged genderroles; women hadn't anything to say and weren't allowed to be independent by having a job, men had to constantly find ways to support the worryless life of his wife and children and was obleged to give his life for his country if it was in need of it. Woman by the feminist revolution have kind of broken free of most of this restrictions and have loosened the pressure of the mens shoulders too. Now society has moved on considerably. We have achieved a lot to procure gender equality. And we should continue to strive for this cause. Equality is however the key word and we can not strive for the rights of one gender, without looking at the other.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Given the definitions of both patriarchy and matriarchy, we, as in western society, live in neither. We are not all members of the same family, clan or tribe, nor are families, clans or tribes recognized (with regards to the question) by our governments (at least the US). Our governments are currently based on individual citizens, not familial or tribal units. Individuals have rights, pay taxes, are subject to the law, etc, not whole families, clans or tribes. To speak of the structure of wider society in terms other than what is laid down in legislation, is essentially to put forth unverifiable conjecture.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        I stopped reading when I read:They have spoken out to end abuse and to fight against a society that tends to blame the victim for sexual abuse and rape, instead of the rapist.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        I support any movement that is about real equality for both sexes. Unfortunately there are extremists/haters with twisted ideas on both sides. There are inequalities and stereotypes for men and women. We as humans are often quick to make assumption about people on limited information. Making assumptions is dangerous. It can lead to bad choices.Blaming the worlds problems on one sex or the other is fruitless and plain ignorant. There needs to be rational discussions on the rights of both sexes without assuming hatred of either. I have no tolarance for crazy people who take joy in seeing acts of violence perpetrated on either sex. Its disgusting behaviour, and certainly isn't not funny. Humanity only exists because we have two sexes. To suggest one sex is superior is BS and promotes hate. Men and women's different traits and skills are meant to complement each other. We are suppost to work as team to improve the lives of all humanity. Why does there need to be a winner? I don't think it should be patriarchal or matriachal It should be a world of mutual respect and cooperation. If I do need to pick one I say socially we live in a matriachal world. They said on CCN the recent presidential election was won in large part to the female vote. Most voters where women. Governments and companies listen to women needs more. I saw an article that said over 52% of managers within the US are women. 3 women graduate from college/university for every male. This is in many peoples view due to a shift in schools as many are failing to serve the eductional and emotional developmental needs of boys.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Fight the feminists! I hate feminists! And I am a black woman.

      • adamblanch 4 years ago

        Your assertion that women earn only 75% of the male dollar is incorrect, has been for a long time. In most western countries women are now the main bread winner for the family as we have moved from a primary/secondary industry economy that required men's physical strength into a tertiary service economy that requires women's greater relationship skils. There are very few industries in which men still out earn women, and they are rapidly changing to the other direction as more women than men are getting tertiary education. Indeed we have gone past the tipping point and there are now more female doctors, lawyers and professionals graduating that male ones. In those industries in which men still out earn women it is usually because the men are doing work that is dangerous, hard and dirty and are being rewarded for undertaking the extra risks and hardship.Women now control almost 90% of every dollar spent and make the majority of all household and lifestyle decisions. the only work they are still excluded/protected from is work that involves a high level of physical strength or danger.Feminism's insistence on continuing to portray women as the 'victims' is all about feminists maintaining their own power, which they routinely abuse (always gonna get that with fanatics of any type). Women now out privilege men in every area of well being, health, lifestyle, and longevity and will soon do so in regard to wealth as well.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        To vote, and not be drafted.To destroy another's life with false accusations.To force one into parenthood.To get more than they put into marriages.These are female privileges, Women have indirect powers that make any "privileges" men have pale in comparison.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Well I think it's pretty clear which side you come down on.I think that in a world where men can be sent to prison for a rape that they did not commit on the mere testimony of the accuser, where teenage boys who are the victims of statutory rape are forced to pay child support to their abuser where male victims of domestic violence (the rate of domestic violence towards men is equal to that of women) are laughed at evicted from their own homes if the woman puts on the waterworks and blames him where fathers are denied access to there children and sent to prison if they lose their job and are unable to keep up with child support where men are afraid to speak to children in case they are labeled a pedophile where we are denied access to the male birth control pill where women get less prison time for committing the same crimes as men where the education system discourages competitive learning to the detriment of young boys where it is ok to laugh at violence towards men where...y'know, I could continue but I'll jest leave it there.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        It's closer to a matriarchy than a patriarchy. It is very rare for either extreme of an issue to be completely correct. And this is not one of those cases. But consider...A learning gap was found in mathematics that favored boys over girls. The society has worked hard at narrowing this gap.A learning gap was found in reading and writing that favored girls over boys. The society has done *nothing* to address the issue unless you count discouraging discussion.The society has created shelters for battered (as well it should.)The society has created no equivalent shelters for battered men.. Indeed, not only is no recourse given, but a battered man who dares to speak out against the battery and/or seek shelter is accused of being the batterer.Women are encouraged to duck out of the commitment of marriage, claim a "no fault" divorce, get automatic custody of any children and huge sums of alimony. Men are the only ones who have any commitment involved as their money is taken either way.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        I am a 15 year old female. i'm against femenism. God made roles for men and roles for women. Women need to stop trying to things they know they shodn;t be doing. They just want to believe they are better than man or can do anything a man can do. But mostly today men are lacking authority. I do believe women can have jobs and careers though. Gpd Bless

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        It's becoming more matriarchal. In well-intentioned efforts to build up women, we have gone too far the other way. Men have not "had it all" ever. Women and "enlightened males (a term for a male who feels guilty for the lousy way he treats the woman in his life so he takes it out on the rest of us) have an extremely misguided view of men in the world. Feminists and enlightened males have not seemed to be able to leave the 1970s and men as a group are suffering. If we do not change our current course and begin to truly listen to and treat men better, we are headed for a massive crisis that the feminists and enlightened males will not be able to fix with their typical berating and belittling. A man will blow their heads off if they don't shut up.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        There is a reason why the suicide rate is exponentially higher in men than women.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        on the face of it,you would think that it's a patriarchal world,and the assumption here is to explain the achievements of men,we need to see them as privileged.putting this aside and looking at it from the state/government/society/laws and regulation angle;it's a MATRIARCHY.1.while feminists were demanding (whining for) equality,they didn't actually want equality,while asking the federal government to provide equal funds to female and males in education, especially in sport,ignoring that the deference in the gender leads to a differences in interests and needs,they forgot that the government spends 6 times more on females than males,this lack of self reflection and some sort of dishonesty struck me first when looking into feminism.2.another,example is women study,while we don't have men's study,this is a clear form of government discrimination.this was rectified by changing the name to gender study,but it's still actually women's study,another feminists lie.3.quotas,while feminists declared that they are equal and seek equality,they were asking for quotas.this disingenuous behavior is another aspect of this movement and thus a female firefighter will get the job even though that she's not qualified while the qualified male will lose the opportunity to peruse his dream.4.the criminal law when applied doesn't achieve justice,a female in the UK prepared Napalm (or substance similar to Napalm) and burned her husband,she was sentence to 3.5 years,if that was a man then for sure a lifetime in jail,moreover she was awarded by feminists including Cherie Blair;in this day an age where we show compassion toward animals feminists failed to reach a decent level of humanity to condemn such acts.5.family laws when applied,don't serve justice but injustice.the presumption of the court is that the best interest of the child is having the mother,while the true assumption is having access to both the father and the mother,again the legislators were not objects but misguided by their bias to the female of the specie and thus equality was ignored for the false assumption and at no point the interest of the father was taken into consideration,given that the court will not release the father from his responsibilities to provide while violating his rights as a human (father).6.Domestic violence ,all the regulations assumes that the victim is the woman and the perpetrator is the man and thus show a clear discrimination to the point that the police will remove a bleeding man as a suspect of DV while all the evidence points to his innocence, furthermore,the most of the times the police will not answer if the caller (victim) is the man.6.A.Police statistics are manipulated to hide the fact that there is at least equal violence perpetrated by women,if not more;a case in London Ontario where a women killed her X-boyfriend because he broke up with her the day before the indecent was not counted as DV not even homicide and the stats released by the police station indicated that all homicides involving intimate partners were against women (1 case) while if this case was counted and others that we may not know about then it will be 50%-50%.I believe that we live in a MATRIARCHY that hates or at least dislikes men and shows that bu biased laws and regulations.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        It is unwise for anyone to choose a side as both feminism and the MRM/MRA are both radical movements marked in making their "Side" rule supreme. With that said, Feminism as gone too far in decrying the misdeeds of men. The current laws are bent in favor of women and their "issues." My advice to anyone with a brain would be to look at all gender situations carefully. If it is not ok to make the woman the butt of a joke, then it is not ok to make a man the butt of a joke is a mild example. If a man should not "put a woman in her place" then it is not proper for a woman to "put a man in his place" The MRA/MRM says they seek to make these things more equal, but if we are to learn of our fatal mistakes with feminism then anything seeking the sole benefit of men should be seen with the same suspicious eye as things only benefiting women. There are inequalities towards men that could not exist without feminism. However both moments seek to make things equal that are biologically or biblical (no matter what one's belief is) unable to be compared. Women as a gender have a set of strengths and weaknesses that men compliment and compensate for and men have a set of strengths and weaknesses women compliment and compensate for. When we ignore this truth the whole of society suffers for it. There are exceptions because there always must be, but as a general whole, men and women compliment each other when they are working together instead of against each other.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        is socki aware that in many european countries, all boys are forced to join the military when they are 18 , or they go to jail?and that in many of the same countries, women get to retire 5 years younger for full pension?

      The Case for Feminism

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      Feminism Is for Everybody: Passionate Politics
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      Common Arguments of the Feminist Movement

      Why Feminism Is Still Important - A Short List

      1. Women still don't have equality in the workplace no matter what gains have been made to date.

      Women still have to fight for equal pay for equal work and to be treated fairly in the job market. On top of that, women still are responsible for the bulk of housework and child-rearing, jobs they take on for no pay whatsoever.

      2. Women in fiction and media are treated as nothing but sexual objects of desire.

      Men are still the great action heroes, out to save the girl, win the girl, or otherwise prove just how much women need men no matter how competent a woman thinks she is.

      3. Women are afraid to identify as "feminists" today because of anti-feminist propaganda.

      When did "feminism" become a negative to so many women today - women who have benefited from the hard work of the feminists of the past? Women wouldn't even have the vote today in America if not for feminists. But the MRM wants to project an image of feminism as nothing but a bunch of men-hating women, which is wrong.

      4. "Abstinence-only" education, being incresingly promoted in schools is anti-feminist.

      Abstinence-only education is just another way men are trying to deny young women their full rights and freedoms. Women are expected to keep in check any sexuality until married - to a man, of course - where he then "owns" her sexual rights entirely. This is just another example of the patriarchy still in power today.

      5. Health care today is more expensive and harder to get for women than for men.

      Women pay 30-40% more in health insurance than men in America, according to studies. And if they want maternity coverage, those rates go even higher - if available at all.

      6. Women who DON'T get full custody of their children, or don't have children at all, are treated as inferior by society.

      The MRM says women hold all the cards when it comes to parenthood and raising children - but what about the shame directed at women who don't receive or choose not to receive full custody? What about the way women who choose not to reproduce or are infertile are looked down upon as "inferior" or "flawed"? Clearly there's still a problem and expectation that all women must be mothers to be "complete."

      7. It is absurb to put forth the idea that straight, white men are somehow today an oppressed minority.

      The MRM wants us to believe that men, who have held the preponderance of power in the world for thousands of years, are the oppressed group - not women, people of color or members of the queer community. This is patently absurd and simply men lashing out against having to give up any of their power.

      8. We must stop blaming the victim in cases of violence and sexual assault against women.

      Women who are raped or otherwise sexually harassed are still blamed for it far too often ("She shouldn't have dressed like that." "She shouldn't have been out late at night on her own." "She shouldn't have let him in her house.") When will society place the blame where it belongs, on the men who are raping women?

      9. Men want to take away women's reproductive rights.

      Women fought for years for safe and legal abortions. Now we have the MRA wanting us to carry children to term against our will, and then not even have to pay fair child support? What about victims of rape and sexual assault? What about men who refuse to use birth control and still force women to have sex?

      10. Men's rights activists are just acting out in anger after bad experiences with women in their lives.

      MRA's are often just bitter, angry men who are using their personal bad relationships to try to put down and cause all women to suffer. They can't see the real issues of society through their own flaws and faults.

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      The Case for Men's Rights

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      What follows is a brief list of some common arguments from the men's rights movement today - and how feminism get things wrong:

      1. The media is contributing to a negative image of men.

      Sitcoms and other television shows portray men as dumb, foolish, and incompetent as compared to their wise and more intelligent wives. Men are portrayed as drooling idiots in the face of attractive women. These stereotypes are wrong and have a negative impact on men's self-esteem.

      2. Men are falsely accused of sexual assault and abuse on a regular basis.

      Men are frequently the victim of false accusations of rape and abuse and such baseless accusations can have terrible affects on men's livelihood and relationships. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" And those who bring accusations proven false should then face punishment as well.

      3. Not all jobs are created equal - and some high paying ones are just more suited for men.

      Women complain that they don't have equal access to certain jobs. Well, how many women are physically equipped or interested in for in such areas as construction, firefighting, and policework? Some, certainly, but these are still jobs generally best suited for men - nor do most women want to work in dangerous or physically demanding jobs.

      4. Feminists reject other women who find fulfillment in traditionally female roles and occupationgs.

      In fighting so hard and loudly for an "equal place" in the working world, feminists treat their fellow women poorly who choose today to be stay-at-home mothers and wives, or pursue traditional female careers such as clerical work or nursing.

      5. Feminists want men to deny their natural sexual urges.

      Women want the right to dress in skimpy, provocative outfits and outwardly lead men on, and then complain when men respond in a sexual manner to them or cry "harassment".

      6. Young boys are at a disadvantage in today's education system.

      Boys are being misdiagnosed with learning disorders and not being treated fairly in our schools today. Fewer and fewer boys are pursuing plans to go to college, and it's the fault of our teachers and education system.

      7. Men are losing their rights as fathers - or to chose not to be fathers.

      If a woman gets pregnant, she holds all the rights to choose whether or not she will carry the child to term. What if the man wants to be the father and she wants an abortion? What if she wants the baby and he doesn't - now he is forced to pay child support even if denied other rights of visitation and parenthood.

      8. Fathers' rights need to be protected in cases of divorce.

      Women are almost always granted primary custody in divorce cases - and sometimes men are unfairly denied equal or any visitation rights. Yet men can be expected to pay unfairly high child support payments - in some cases even if they lose their job or have to take a pay cut.

      9. There cannot be "full equality" between men and women because men and women are inherently different.

      Feminists want to act as if there are no real differences between men and women, which is blatantly false. In fact, one could argue that men are truly the "weaker sex", as men are more likely to be victims of certain diseases and have a shorter lifespan than women! We need to realize that what's "best" for one gender isn't necessarily the best for both.

      10. Feminists want to remake men into weak, feminized versions of themselves.

      This is misandry; instead of respecting the inherent differences between men and women, women want men to be more like them and reject masculine traits and natural tendencies.

      A Men's Rights Point of View

      YOUR TURN! Which side of the debate are you on?

      Now's your chance to sound off. Tell me what you think. Do we need more feminism today, or is it time for the men to be heard and to get their rights back?

      Which side of the debate gets it right: the Men's Rights Movement, or the Feminists?

      The Men's Rights Movement

      The Men's Rights Movement

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        • Anonymous 2 years ago

          I hold a belief in egalitarianism, whereby all members of society, regardless of gender, race, class e.t.c. Should have access to equal human rights. I believe that fathers and mothers should have an equal split of guardian hood over their children in the event of a divorce. One thing that particularly puzzles me is that in a situation whereby two people have sex while very drunk, the man is often portrayed as the rapist and the woman the victim despite the fact that they were both equally incapable of making well thought out decisions at the time. This is why i think that men should be fighting for a fully equal society.

        • anonymous 3 years ago

          Men's Rights Movement. Because Feminism is an ideology based on victimology and cherry picking of not only rights but also facts for women. Feminist authors are suppressing science that is inconvenient. Anything that shows that does not support their views is silenced as "misogynistic".

        • Tony Bonura 4 years ago from Tickfaw, Louisiana

          I checked men's but neither of them have it right. How dumb do you have to be to join either of these movements. I fear these butt-heads for men's rights will mess things up like the feminists have done to the women. To quote a very smart man: All you need is love (Bomp, bomba, bomp) Ha! the security word is "twitgirl!"TonyB

        • MrMojo01 4 years ago

          As a man I have to weigh in on men's rights.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          Feminism has long outstayed it's purpose. It is a machine that will not turn off. It has strayed from equality. Feminism's only goal right now is to make sure women can go their whole lives while never having to endure any "life isn't fair" moments. the MRM is often characterized as being misogynistic and anti-woman, this is not the case. the MRM just wants to prevent and to fight back against the overstepping of feminism.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          Feminists have never really wanted equality. While most of us grew up with the notion that feminism meant being for true equality between all people, I think it has been clearly obvious during the internet age that this was a big lie from the start.When feminists routinely and actively promote laws that benefit and protect 51% of the population they clearly expose themselves to be an anti-male hate group.From child custody, sexual harassment, false rape claims, alimony, car insurance, health care, marriage, dating, affirmative action, domestic violence, child abuse, and the proverbial "glass ceiling" to wage gap myth amongst many other categories it all favors women over men to a high level.Just take a look at our culture. Lat year Sharon Osbourne (National television, CBS "The Talk") laughed profusely at a man having his genitals mutilated because his wife didn't like the fact that he wanted a divorce. The audience laughed right along with her. Did CBS do anything??? Nope not a thing.Now imagine the women replaced with men. The topic: a woman being raped. Can you imagine the hell they would receive? Fired immediately and the show would have been pulled from the air.Just 1 example of how "It's sexist only when men do it." Feminism created that culture and someone needs to end it.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          I am with the MRA's. Feminist have failed to embrace true equality due to their insatiable appetite for victim hood. They not only desire a monopoly it, but present that monopoly as the starting point for every debate. The great irony is the white women of the movement who go around attacking white males as if they some how magically segregated themselves outside of the culture they are so critical of by virtue of their genitalia. The notion of the oppressed white women should be considered equal to the white oppressed man. In reality there are individuals being victimized by established social conventions in every segment of humanity. Until we learn to appreciate the suffering of everyone we will have to do the tedious work of swinging the pendulum back and forth until everyone has been recognized as a human being capable of experiencing injustice and pain. True humanism will come one day, but feminism alone won't get us there.

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          • sousababy 5 years ago

            Since I had to pick a side, I choose 'Feminists' however you are correct to identify that many of us do not like this word because of the negative connotations associated with it. I prefer to call myself a humanitarian - since we are all members of the human race. Feminism is really about equality . . just wish the word didn't get peoples' backs up.

          • Nicole Pellegrini 5 years ago from New Jersey

            I am a feminist. I believe that while much has been accomplished to improve the position and status of women in today's society, there is still so much more yet to be done. Of course there are extremists in every movement which can give that group a "bad name", feminists and MRAs both. But as a whole I believe strongly in the feminist movement and that it is necessary to help protect women's rights to equal opportunity, fair pay, reproductive rights, autonomy and health. We cannot take a step backward by somehow denying that the patriarchy still exists as it has for so much of mankind's history.

          Got something else to say on the debate? Need to expand upon your earlier comments? You can do so here. Just be polite because abusive/foul language will be deleted.

          © 2011 Nicole Pellegrini

          Any Final Thoughts on Men's Rights vs. Feminism? - Leave Your Final Thoughts Here

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              sousababy 5 years ago

              Tell you the truth, in my careers . . I have found men to be more 'open' to my ambitions than women. When I studied prosthetics (making artificial limbs) and was purchasing my tools, women would say, 'Oh those aren't for you, are they?' Or they'd laugh when I told them I could weld. Odd, I know . . . some feminists happen to be male.

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              sousababy 5 years ago

              Extremely well presented Sockii - deserves a google +1.

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              sousababy 5 years ago

              Dearest sockii,I decided to feature this on my lens: http://www.squidoo.com/womens-dayYou included such a comprehensive listing of resources to educate folks. Sure hope it all meets with your approval - let me know (my Bio page, if you wish).Sincerely,Rose

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              Nicole Pellegrini 5 years ago from New Jersey

              @sousababy: Totally fine with me - thanks! Glad you found the page worthy of linking to!

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              anonymous 5 years ago

              When was the last time you saw a man having access to affordable housing ?Nothing is wrong with Feminism women should have rights but men are human also and the Mens Rights Movement isn't going to stop growing because women are upset men are losing their rights and The Self Confidence Handbook For Mens Rights Activisthttp://bit.ly/IkDB9F

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              Men-After-Divorce 5 years ago

              I wanted to post above but I cannot bring myself to join either "side" when I think both sides have a point, and both sides get it so wrong so often as well. They are extreme ends of the spectrum where most people reside closer to the center. Add me as a "humanitarian" as someone else stated.

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              copperdragon 5 years ago

              great site! lots of useful info on both sides. would be great to link our sites to each other (my site is http://www.squidoo.com/stop-the-male-bashing-)

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              Mary 4 years ago from Midwest

              Very nice lens and so much I have learned as i am sure others did, I like lenses that give a lot of info. and you sure did here.Thank you for all your hard work.Great lens.

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              Li-Li-ThePinkBookworm 4 years ago

              I am very glad that you wrote this lens well, and yet you also portrayed both sides fairly. Thank you :)Li Li

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              potovanja 4 years ago

              Thank you for really very informative info lens. Many things i didn't know until now. Great lens.

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              John Tannahill 4 years ago from Somewhere in England

              I couldn't take part in your duels because the questions are too polarised. The real issues are far more complex. While I support the cause for equal rights, we need to be mindful that feminists don't 'cherry pick' issues where equality benefits women while ignoring others that don't. For that reason, men's concerns need to be allowed into the debate, but we need to stop thinking the debate is men vs women. Perhaps we need to think about the word "equality" and remind ourselves about what it means.

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              ratetea 4 years ago

              I don't think the black-and-white thinking perpetuated by forcing people to take a side on men vs. women is healthy. In many ways, women have a tougher time in our society, and in other ways, men have a tougher time. To try to say one has it easier is like comparing apples to oranges. I also think that both men and women suffer because of the negative things forced onto the opposite sex. For example, when a woman is sexually assaulted, this can negatively impact her future relationships with men in a way that places some of the burden on the men. And when society stifles men from expressing their feelings, this can make it harder for them to have healthy relationship with women, in a way that in turn harms the women too. I think that in order to solve these problems we need to band together, and stop thinking in confrontational ways. Women's problems are also men's problems, and men's problems are also women's problems. It's not a question of pushing back and forth...it's a question of making society more consensual for everyone.

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              ratetea 4 years ago

              @JohnTannahill: I also felt the same way about the duels; I'm not interested in taking sides. I support equality of opportunity. I think part of the problem is the whole idea of thinking of "men vs. women". We need to stop thinking that way, and start thinking about working together, if we are really going to solve any questions related to gender roles and sexism in society.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              Because of this constant degradation of the man's status as being the strong Spiritual leader (which does not mean beating your wife, or anyone else for that matter), it is becoming increasingly more difficult to be a real man in modern society. Consequently many men find that they can't fulfill what they feel to be, and God says is, their role in society. Because of this false propaganda and laws that take away and give custody of men's children to women, men become depressed, some committing suicide and others try to turn to doing the role of women in society and become what God condemns as an abomination to Him - homosexuals.On the other side of the same coin we have women trying to take over and fulfill the man's role in society, which women are not spiritually equipped to do because they are affected more easily than men by emotions and mood-swings caused by the greater amount of hormones in their blood-stream controlling the various cycles of the female body, which enables Satan to manipulate them and their thoughts more easily than he can do with a man. That is part of why Eve (woman) gave in to the serpent (Satan) and was then commanded by God to allow Adam (man) to rule over her (woman) and thereby help to prevent Satan from succeeding in having his will done on Earth, instead of God's Will being done. Because of the role-reversal, most women who are in positions of authority suffer from excessive stress and turn to smoking, drink or other drugs to cope, and consequently enter the downward spiral of drug dependency and depression, ultimately leading to their own self-destruction. For a full explanation of this, please study "The Way home or face The Fire". jahtruth.net/men

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              SteveKaye 4 years ago

              At times I wonder if the main purpose men serve is to be the object of jokes. Some men seem to work so hard at earning disdain from everyone.I want equality for all. Any lack of balance hurts both everyone.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              I would say rather that comparing men's right and feminism we should go for equality.. although feminism relates to the women's equal right in social and economic factor it doesn't means that men's are underestimated.. both have equal rights in society, although both sides have a point but we should look it in the different way and it would be good that both men and women have the same rights...

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              Tony Bonura 4 years ago from Tickfaw, Louisiana

              Did I not express myself enough in the polls? Then let me put it this way: Love Jesus, love America, love each other. Who needs those faddy movements? Certainly I don't.TonyB

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              theenchantedlan 4 years ago

              I really like this lens, because it gives an objective view on both of the sides and room to give your own stance on the subject. Great job!

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              laura webuk 4 years ago

              Fantastic post, really thought provoking, thank you.If you'd check out my post on gender based inequality in manual trades and check out some of the institutions that are trying to redress the balance, then please have a look http://www.squidoo.com/jobs-for-girls.Thanks!

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              Anonymous 2 years ago

              I find the idea of positive discrimination really strange, isn't it just reinforcing the idea that discrimination is ok

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