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New Chinese Immigrants: Why are They so Rude?

Updated on July 25, 2011

This Lens is NOT a Racist Lens

I personally am not racist toward Chinese people. In fact, I am one. I am here just to point out why new Chinese immagrants in these recent years are getting more and more attention, more or less in a negative way.

I do not know in the States, though I believe it's the same. At least this lens applies for Canada and many elsewhere. From where I live now, Caucasian friends of mine made some comments about them, saying that they "don't pay tax, getting social benefts, and speculating/raising house prices in everywhere they go."

This statement clearly shows that my friends "do suffer" from these recent waves, but it's not easy to understand "WHY" this is happening. Maybe it is, but this lens is just to point out the facts again.

This lens is made within two hours, so there might be some further update.

What Have They Done?

If where you live is not a hot spot for Chinese Immagrants, you're lucky, and you probably don't know what I'm talking about. Meanwhile, if you live in a hot spot like Vancouver, woots! You've suffered through something I have as well!

So, what have they really done?

In recent years, it's a cliché to say that China is a new gold mine. It is true, but there's more to it. If we listen to what people normally say, Chinese are the biggest consumers in the world, almost everything could be made in China, etc.

People have forgotten, though, that even though they could be categorized as the biggest consumers, many of them are actually not wealthy. Even though its population below poverty line, according to Central Intelligence Agency, is about 2.8% (in comparison, US is 12%), the actual number is very scary. 2.8% of that 1.36 billion people is about 37 million people; by 2007, about 21.5 million people are officially categorized as "absolute poverty," while about 35.5 million people are officially below "low income line." Note that the number is "officially," there are many more people who are not even in the record.

While it is well-known that the labour cost is low in China, many big companies are moving their factories westward. due to the raising labour cost in the east coast. That being said, it is also well known that things made in China are not high quality. That is a fact.

Why do I mention these? As well as these facts, whatever we know about Chinese, there are more to it because of their special governmental and political culture.

Now, to save both your time and my time, I will just briefly describe why people in the hot spots hate them so much. They sell houses in China (illegally), bring money in, get no jobs here, but use the cash to buy houses elsewhere, bubble the house prices, avoid tax at all cost, getting social benefits because they have no jobs (no income), thinking money can buy everything, no trust or negotiation when it comes to self-interest, not following the rules or laws, basically they are just outrageous!

Are they all that bad? Are there any reasons? What are the impacts and how have people reacted to this new social issue? Again, this lens is to dig through this social issue.

Not All of Them are That Badass, but Most

Of course, we all know that there is every kind of people in one ethic group. There are good people and bad people. I personally have many Chinese friends that really understand the meaning of international value.

They are people who are really on the top in the society, CEOs and people with doctorial degrees that deal with international affairs. They, like probably most of us, work their way up from studying intensively in schools, working hard and continue to nurish knowledge into their mind, socialize with people from different countries; basically they understand how things should be done.

However, the newcomers these days are mosly the so-called parvenu, people who just got rich real recent. Not all of them, but I guarantee at least 90% of them (you know, to be on the safe side) got rich through some tricky ways. They either got rich by personalizing national corporations or selling houses in through political bribe mostl. Let's not get into details, but they basically "steal" the property of their mother homeland. This is the result of communism, not socialism, which has led most Chinese people into poverty in the past decades. When people are poor, they get despair or desperate; when people are desperate, they do extreme things.

Now, since they have stolen the property of their mother nation, they have to move their "spoils" to somewhere else so that they don't get caught. Nowhere in China they can do that, so the hot money goes to every else where. Canada, the United States, Taiwan, Australia, and many other hot spots, I believe you could hear many cities' house price raised because of new Chinese Immagrants

They have some extreme mindsets that we have to try to understand, since it's way too different from the world we used to live. More below.

So, How Are They Different From Us?

To understand why they do what they do, we have to understand what is the mindset that supports them.

They have lots of cash. In China, money talks louder than anything else, even the political power has to listen to money. I know this sounds like a cliché since in the past, when did money not ever talk? Yet, in China, this cliché has been taken to another level. As long as you have the money, it seems like you can even ignore what the laws say.

Few days ago there was a Chinese went on a tour to the tomb of a Qing Emperor, Kang Xi. This man wanted to go inside the tomb and take a look, but the lady there rejected his request. This man said "I'll buy this land with 100 million Renminbi (about 16.6 million US dollars)!" This tomb is a national public property, a very important historic asset, just like a tomb of George Washington, yet this man wanted to "trade" with his wealth. The lady of course rejected again, then the man threw 10K Renminbi cash (16.6 hundred US dollars) at the lady, then left.

This is one of the many examples. These new rich people believe that "money talks the loudest," they believe they can buy anything as long as they have enough money. It's an idea that has been planted in their mind for real long time. Then they bring this mindset to other nations.

They buy houses internationally with cash. They have prejudice toward people who work 9-5. They look down on people who seem to be less wealthier than them even though we work hard for our money and they simply stole the money. To these people, normal morality in our noraml social value does not exist.

Because they have been poor for way too long, they are brutal when it comes to self-interest. You can't talk common sense with them. I've tried it, don't try it. When they are good, they are good; when it's gonna hurt them, be aware. They will not reason if they are going to lose something; they are too afraid of losing things because they have finally got rich. If you've suffered from it, you understand what I mean. They came out from a nation with no trust, money talks, so when they come out here they have the same mindset. They don't trust anyone completely, especially if you're going to get them caught or harm their asset. They have to be the one that talks the loudest, they can make money off from you, but you can't make money from them.

From their background and mindset, they trick ways in tax payment, they get social benefits and promote for it because they have no jobs (they don't want one), and they are real rude in real estate market.

A Russell Peter Joke

I remember there was one time I watched a talk show of a Canadian comedian - Russell Peter. It's a joke about how Chinese and Indian can never do a business deal. Why? Because Indians try to keep as much money as they can while Chinese people try to take as much money as they could from anyone. I thought that was just a stereotyping, but now, I am more leaning toward that stereotyping has its own reason.

If China is so Great, Why People Flee? If China is so Bad, Why People Stay?

There has been a real odd situation in China. Normally, if one man gets rich, he would stay in the nation, or maybe pursue a better life outside. Yet, in China, when people get rich (or big cash), they flee out of the country right away! It seems like China is not a place to stay!

I did ask many of them, and they know that China is a dangerous place. It is, no doubt. A place that only money talks, a dominant political party, a place with no actual human rights, if China is a gold mine, why would people flee?

Then again, there are still rich people staying in China, if the statement I've made above is true, why would they stay there?

It's easy. If you do read international news, you would notice that recently China is struggling in fighting their domestic inflation. Inflation is caused by too much money and frequent economic activities. China has a special case however. It does have very frequent economic activities, since so many rich people just pop out from nowhere. It does have too much printed paper/money within the boundaries, but it's not like any case in the past. In the past, it's usually that the government prints too much money or too much offshore money gathers in one nation, yet now in the case of China, it has "too much domestic money" locked in the country.

They have a policy of each year you can only send a certain amount of money to offshore countries, causing too much money staying in the country. Personally I don't believe by just simply raising the interest would help; it has to increase the limit of the money that could go offshore each year.

Anyway, what do the rich people think about it? It could be simply stated "They want to make that big loads of money one last time." Right now in China, money could be anywhere. It's like years ago where you could get any amount of money from any investors in many big countries. Money is so easy to attract so far. They are looting as much money as they could this time.

What's the altimate impact if China fails to solve this inflation? Let's just not get into that since we're not talking about economy here. But it is a fact that many Chinese are still trying to get that one last big loot in China.

How Do We Deal With This Situation??

Deal or no deal. From my own, if you are a person with heavy moral standard, never ever do business with them. They could be very good friends, especially when they trust you, but money and friends are just like water and oil - they never mix. When you're a friend of theirs, they would help you much, but when it comes to conflict interest or something, be ready to take the punch. It's better to do business with those actual top people, who didn't just get rich through tricky ways. Normal Chinese, be friends with them is good, but don't mix them with your business.

Do you think so far this is a fact lens? Or just another racist comment? Have you experienced such things? Or it's something way out of your imagination because you haven't dealt with one newcomer? Leave any comments, I even welcome more if you have something against me.

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      papii 8 months ago

      It's sad that this post is still relevant 4 years later. I know that new generation of Chinese are hard working and intellectual individuals but their parents are like a different being. The generation who suffered through the cultural revolution of 1966 all have some kind of mental issues and paranoia with money and security. Still, I believe that if you are immigrating to a new country, you need to respect the culture, law and people of that society. Please do not treat Canada like how the Chinese government treats their people.

      Please do not vote for the Liberals in the upcoming BC provincial election or else BC will truly become a colony of China.

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      nobody 14 months ago

      As a Chinese, I understand your concern. However, China is not the China 1000 or 3000 or 5000 years ago. I studied American history. I compared American or European history with Chinese History. We all had times that we were being how to say" uncivilized. China is a new country technically. Please allow us to change. It will take times for us to change. Most of Chinese are very humble. I helped a friend who is a white American graduated from Stanford University. He took my money without saying "thanks" and disappeared. I helped a lot of people in my life, and he was totally no moral at all. But I understand when people are so poor, they can do horrible things. They smile at you and lied to you, ripe you off no matter what race you are. Maybe they are super nice, but they can be superficial. Chinese might be rude in a way, they just don't realize that. The people I know, they all study hard and work hard.

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      Angel 2 years ago

      Dear Mr. Prime Minister Hu Jin Tao,

      your hitting tiger and swatting fly tactics is to get ride of corruption in China is ruining my neighborhood of Arcadia, CA. Please stop and come up with a plan to keep your turd people inside your own country. We have enough turd people in the US already. We do not need more turds people with Gucci and LV bags roaming our super markets. These new immigrants does not help America in any way. In fact, they live in multimillion dollar mansions while collecting Medical.

      The older HK and Taiwanese immigrants and even older mainland immigrants from the 80's and early 90s are great people. Hard working, honest and works to involve themselves in the community and church.

      However, these new morally, ethically, and racially corrupt new immigrants really need to stay in the China mess they have created themselves over there. Do not come to America and start crapping over here too.

      You turds created your own mess, stay over there and enjoy it.

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      Jane 2 years ago

      Russians also lived a harsh live under communism but they have a love of all races and are fun and love life. Why did they turn out so different from Chinese?

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      Louise ly 2 years ago

      Hi there. I'm a Chinese, um, not really, I'm from Hong Kong but sadly HK is a part of China......So...well I'm a Chinese but I seldom, indeed, never regard myself as a Chinese. It's because serving yourself as a chinese is always a dangerous thing to do, especially in foreign countries. You know, the whole world hate Chinese, even us HongKongers, one of the victims of "The rising of China". Well, sorry for being lengthy, let's cut to the chase.

      I must say I completely agree what the article is talking about and people in China, most, MOST of them are really like this. Money is god and they don't freaking care abt the other things, just money. Just like what the article said "Because they have been poor for way too long, they are brutal when it comes to self-interest.", they are longing for money for a long time, desperately, wanting to be rich and gain power. And now they make it. They use money to invade countries(like us HK, sigh), destroy the culture there, irritate the locals, purchase all the lands and buildings as they can. You won't find another race like Chinese on Earth , they are the "developed barbarians". They build the world's second largest economy, but to put it bluntly, they are just a huge group of locusts who loot every single country on this earth to maximize their interest. Always shame to be a so called "Chinese", even I'm in Hong Kong. China sucks.

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      Jane 2 years ago

      What I feel canada should do is make a law that english has to be spoken outside and in workplaces. At home you can speak your language, eat your food, listen to your music etc. This way we are all speaking one language. I find when I take a bus its very isolating to not hear english it makes me feel Im in a foreign land! Also the students study in english but you see them on the buses speaking other languages its just stupid! They will be working in english so dah!

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      Angel 2 years ago

      Same thing with new C immigrants in Los Angeles, CA. I grew up in Redondo Beach and recently moved to Aracdia. The new immigrants are thieves in China that are on the run in the US or they are mistresses to someone wealthy in China. They are despicable people and the US should really consider letting in garbage.

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      Lizzie 2 years ago

      Chinese people in vancouver and richmond are incredibly rude. They have no one to blame but themselves. And the selling of shark fin soup, who do they think they are??

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      Tsui hsuan 2 years ago

      I just want to say a few things. First, it is really funny because Canadian government want rich immigrants to come over meaning TOP CLASS people, I'm an international student and we get around $5000 a week, so it means of course we will buy a house of course we will buy good car, why should we buy a ferrari,bmw,Bently if it's only the half price compared to china! Itis nothing to us. I get the point we get so much hate but to be honest you can't blame us... Canadian government want rich people, let's change the situation and imagine it if today all the Asian who were to come over is poor will we still get haters? YES, because they are low class people with more poor manner than the people you see now in vancouver! They will not bring single benefit to your economy and just be trouble makers.So you really can't blame us, we are just spending money on our level. Now people say we love money, the truth is we must do because government won't support us like developed country paying for medical, retirement welfare etc... So we look very heavy on money if we are poor the. We are poor forever. in Canada I believe you can take 2000-3000 dollars between a couple. If Canadians did not have this system would you guys think money is important? Of course! Putting money aside, I admit Chinese are considered rude but think for a moment, most people who come over from china these days are Shanghai,Beijing etc the biggest economic city in china. Can you imagine polite mannered NYC people? It also has to do with culture we are loud on our table, we say of the table is not loud the dinner is not a good dinner. We like meeting together have dinner joke around; we are not serious people, we like to fool around and have fun!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes, and governments including Canada's have already complained to China that their pollution is heading to our countries and not just saying at home. The environment is connected, after all. You don't just ruin your own environment, you ruin everyone's by your ignorance and don't care attitude, which is only extreme immaturity and lack of responsibility..

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: About the later civilization...I've heard this myth before while living in China. In fact, Western civilization is itself quite ancient. USA is new (anglo North America was settled around 500 years ago by some French and then the British), but it was settled mostly from Britain and it was Britain who clamed it. Britain as a country is not as old as China, but it was settled by the Celts around 3000 or so years ago and was a great and amazing ancient culture. The Romans made it into a province of Rome (Britannia) around 2000 years ago and England developed from the boundaries of this province. Western culture is in fact from the Roman culture. Rome's empire was around the same size as China's, and equal strength with China, which is why the two countries attempted an economic alliance 2000 years ago through direct contact. Rome goes back nearly 3000 years and its culture comes partly from Greece, which goes back around 4000 years. Both cultures are partly from the ancient Near (Middle) east which goes back 5000 years to ancient Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine.

      Aside from the history and archaeology lesson, I became sick and tired in China of hearing how only China has an ancient civilization while the West is "100 years old" haha. Before making your statements you need to become more educated and get your facts straight. Yes, you have 5000 years of "continuous" civilization while ours changed in various ways over time. But that is only because China has always been geographically isolated. You were also isolated since between China and Rome was Persia, the third of the three superpowers during the Roman times, and Persia controlled the trade routes between China and Rome and got in the way of any proposed economic alliance between East and West. So you were kind of stuck in your area.

      And yes, China developed much technology but so did we. I recall once telling a class in a training centre in China about a 2000 years old navigational computer discovered in the sea (the Mediterranean) by archaeologists some time ago. One girl in the class asked then, "Was it Chinese?" No, it was not; it was Greco-Roman. As was the invention of engines powered by hydraulics, the taxi meter and numerous other marvellous ancient instruments. I won't go on with this...knowledge on ancient breakthroughs is for sharing, not competing over.

      Were China not so narrow due to its government control for millennia, you'd have a better idea of the world as we do, and things would be a bit more in perspective.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      As a New Yorker, I live in a big mixing pot of people, so growing up I feel it's kind of hard to be racist. But now that the Chinese immagrants have taken over my neighborhood, I find it much pretty easy to despise a group a group of people. Basically in the past 5 - 10 years my Brooklyn neighborhood has had a 50% plus influx of Chinease immagrants, that means 50% more spit loogies I have to dodge on the sidewalk, 50% more garbage being thrown into the street (even though there are trash cans at every corner), 50% more snot rockets on the sidewalk and smeared on buildings and trees, 50% more rotten fruit/vegetables all over the sidewalk, 50% more nasty fish markets making the entire area REEK and 50% more yelling/screaming since they can't seem to talk at a decent sound decimal.

      Now I will say I have no problem with the up and coming Chinese Americans, they are not carrying on the filthy habits of their parents or Grandparents. A few of my friends say they are actually pretty embarrassed of them.

      My best friends are Korean and won't even come to my neighbor because they hate the Chinese and the place is now flooded with them. I know a bunch of people who have moved because it's so dirty and smelly now, unfortunately I don't have the money to afford a new place or I would move also.

      They say they love China so much, so F-ing move back! They don't even make an attempt to live how we do, they have no respect, why would I want them here?

      They come to this country, have no desire to learn our language or our culture, once they are settled in, they move their entire extended family here (which I am still perplexed as to how they all got their green card) and live as disgustingly as they did in mainland China, having no respect for the fact that WE DON'T LIVE LIKE THAT! Oh and it seems their entire life's purpose is to get a seat on the train.They never wait until people get off the train before pushing and shoving their way through trying to grab a seat. Just the other day this women almost knocked over this 10 yr old boy darting for a seat. When people actually said something to her she just sits there with a grin on her face acting as if she doesn't understand. They will never give up their seat for a pregnant or elderly person, if their stop is about to come up they wave to another Chinese person to take the seat.

      They have taken over locations in Queens and Manhattan also, making it unbearable for normal people to live.There was an article in the paper about how a whole block of people moved out of Flushing because the wind carried the garbage and fish smell into their homes.

      So call me racist, but I really don't give a crap, because I am and it's because of them, and I'm pretty sure they feel the same way about the rest of us. If you got woken up every day at 5am to them rummaging through my trash for bottles & cans and then other members come in half hour intervals doing the same damn thing until around 9am, then you tell me you would like these people.

      AHHHH it feels so good to vent!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I totally agree. Some Chinese people I've dealt with here told me they are not happy here but are only here to put their kids through school, then return home. They complained that they thought they could get richer here but could not due to the cost of living (which had increased so much lately in fact because of their immigration!). Others came to Canada only to get into the US (why? again, to get richer!). Most of the ones I've dealt with did not come here because of this country's democratic society, quality of life, equal respect and opportunities for others, etc, but only for material reasons based on fallacious fairy tales or money growing on trees here which they learned back home before they came (when I was there in fact I tried to tell them these were myths but they were angry since they didn't believe me). So, many of them are only using our countries while totally disrespecting us. I've heard that lately though Canada and Australia have put large restrictions on new Chinese immigrations. I'm not sure exactly why? But it sounds positive...

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Btw, one Japanese friend and I (she had noticed the same arrogance with new Chinese immigrants to Japan) had one theory, but I don't know what you might think. We wondered if, since in China, being a class based society now, wealth is greatly respected (as in other developing eastern cultures), new Chinese immigrants to the West and to other developed countries (like Japan) have the idea that we are also hung up on wealth, so they throw their weight around about their wealth in hopes that it will make us accept them more. When it only turns us off, they don't know what to do, thinking we are being racist, so they rub it in even more. Having lived in developing eastern cultures, I know that most people there if they haven't travelled think everyone in the West (and in Japan, etc, too) is extremely rich (millionaires to be exact, complete with servants, private drivers, etc). They equate "developed country" with being wealthy. They don't get that our countries place more emphasis on egalitarian respect and quality of life, not on money. Also, they feel all the time that we might look down on them, which we don't since we are egalitarian, as said. So they project their insecurities onto us, and carry with them their own culture's technique of impressing us with their wealth, and discover a clash when they find that not only are we not impressed but we are also deeply insulted and turned off.

      Maybe they need to rethink things when they come here and discover a new approach for themselves. That is, if they really want to be here in this kind of society.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Oh, and as for the "be a man" comment, I remember my Chinese ex back in China once thinking he was impressing me in one situation by saying, "I can't do this right now. I AM A MAN". I was quite insulted and replied that, "I AM A WOMAN". He also thought the idea of equality or respecting women was a joke. When we first started our relationship, he tried to talk me into giving up my university studies and career goals (the reason I'd gone overseas in the first place) but he had to put a sock in it when I threated to break up if he refused to support my career.

      I'm really glad that you have written this post. It's great.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I relate to this experience. I'm a Western girl, but when I lived in China before, my Chinese ex-boyfriend told me that he was tired of my saying "thank you" etc to him, even if he went out of his way for me, since this "distanced" us. He said that it should never be said among people who were close, and that to his ears it sounded superficial. I have never been able to relate to this. Everyone deserves politeness and appreciation. I also thank my immediate family when they help me, and they do the same for me.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Yes, it's all true. I grew up in Canada (I'm Caucasian from another developed Western country), and I lived 3 years in China and spent much time in other eastern cultures as well. I found this sort of shadiness, trickiness and arrogance in all the developing eastern cultures I've spent time in. But 've found even more of the arrogance, sometimes to extremes, among Mainland Chinese I work with back in Canada through my business, especially with the newer Chinese immigrants. I've heard from friends that it is also going on with especially the newer wealthier Chinese immigrants in Australian and Japan. I've travelled all my life and am not racist. In fact, I liked many of the Chinese I only knew socially in China, in fact I thought many of them were amazing. But not most of the ones I had business dealings with there, who could be extremely brutal if they chose. I'm also extremely tired back in Canada of hearing them talk about their money all the time as though it is supposed to impress the locals in a democratic socialist culture where we are all supposed to be equal and where we tend not to obsess about or mention to others our wealth if we have it. I feel that if they don't like egalitarian societies and can't respect the locals, they are free to return to their home country. I'm glad to see it expressed in this way and by another Asian person in Canada.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Not all the Chinese are like this. u r just being too aggressive. BTW, u think western people treat CBC like themselves? CBC like u are 10 times worse than what you called" dorks"

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I Completely agree with everything you have just stated. I am working with an English language center in Harbin, China. The owner of the company is everything you said above. New money and a sense of entitlement without a care in the world for others, besides the inner-family. Coming from New York and speaking for some Americas in general, respect and a general understanding for others or in other words complete shadiness is avoided at all costs.It makes for bad business even when money is involved but here it seems to be a part of life, especially when wealth is involved.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      This article is somehow true. I'm an ethnic chinese living in Indonesia, but I somehow hate the majority behaviour of my race. It's the problem of the offspring, I guess. We chinese is the largest single ethnic entity in this world, therefore the bad offspring exists in our race must be many.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: yes, they rarely acknowledge the waiter/waitress and expect to be waited on immediately. ice water runs through their veins.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Great article! I'm a Chinese from Thailand, and now I'm studying in USA. I agree with you that many Chinese are quite rude. It is true even in Thailand. Part of it is from our culture, but it is good to note too that most of the immigrants are not doing well financially. Many people with this financial status are quite rude, regardless of nationalities and races. The sinful nature of man is also an issue. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come" (2 Cor. 5:17).

      Anyway, your article is well-written, and I could not believe that you are still under 20! Keep it up, and God bless! =)

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Once i was having dinner with my Chinese friends in a restaurant in china, i say "thank you" "please""excuse me" a lot to the waiters/waitresses and i got laughed at by my friends. They think I m a sissy!!! "be a man!" they laughed.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: And you know a lot of mainland chinese immigrants aged 50+, so they were born at the 1950s to 60's and they spent their childhood during the âcultural revolution" which started at 1966 and lasted 10 years. Do you know what the commies had done to children during that crazy 10 years? Even in China we know that people born at the 1950s --60's are the worst group among chinese people.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      This might be a little hard to believe but most chinese childer(mainland) are rude too. They are just like their ill-mannered parents.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      hi i'm chinese and i totally agree with you . We are rude and probably the rudest people in the world. Im not kidding. Its true.

      If you are really interested in why chinese are so rude, i suggest you read some chinese history. Ancient and mordern chinese history. Especially the " great cultural revolution" history under Mao's tyranny. Or read " the ugly chinese" by Bertrand Russell.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Well said!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      It's difficult to distinguish between "new chinese immigrants" and first or second generation chinese canadians, because every single generation speaks cantonese or mandarin everywhere and all the time! It's rare that I witness two or more chinese people speaking english...This must be part of the trust issue that is covered in this article. I have resided in Toronto all my life and have witnessed and encountered thousands of incidents with chinese people where rudeness, lack of courteousness and a sense of superiority have all taken place. The majority of chinese immigrants don't seem to know how to adapt to western social behaviour, which includes simple forms of etiquette such as saying "excuse me"; "thank-you"; "please"; "I'm sorry".

      The chinese culture (here in Toronto) is a very ignorant one!

      That's been my experience for over 55 years!!!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey David. More Chinese like you are more than welcome. It's the rude Nong Min that are the problem. I lived in China and met many nice people, so hopefully these people will represent Chinese people more than the nong min.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Don't dwell too much on the mainland Chinese or any Asians that displease you. Knowing less about them is actually gaining more. (better health)

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: How is it that most westerners are taught to ALWAYS trust people until there are reasons not to trust??? Most westerners are never trusting nor are they trustworthy on first instance. What are you implying? It's the same for all living organisms. You are implying:- if i have not earned your trust, you then trust me? And if i have earned your trust, you no longer trust me? You're confused thinking this world should work from a western based approach with all sorts of regulated morality and manners. It used to be some decades ago, can't say the same for now. Those civilized days are gone... freaking gone forever as long as the chinese and indians or whatever asians flood the planet.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      no, you're not being racists. They are indeed millions of devil/demons incarnate... nothing unusual.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Most Westerners are taught that you always trust people until you have reasons not to trust them.

      With Asians it seems that they trust no one until you have earned that trust. Even after the third generation it appears that these people still have not learned to trust anyone from the start. I also understand that most Asians consider themselves to be far superior to any non Asians.

      I really like to hear Asians speaking English and I don't understand why Asians and other immigrants do not speak English after being in Canada for 20 or 30 years. People can get English lessons for almost nothing from a vareity of School Boards or other Community organizations. Things are not going to change and we are only going to see more and more people coming from Mainland China and other Asian countries so get used to it and get over it. For new comers to Canada and to those people who had parents with no manners (that incluede you whities) please at least learn how to say PLEASE and THANK YOU, realize that we walk on the Right hand side of the sidewalk and that we try to give way to oncoming pedestrians. Please cover your mouth when you cough, and don't spit on the sidewalk as that is what kleenex is for and you might want to look behind yourself when you go through a door to see if someone might be behind you. If you are fortunate to drive a luxury car please remember that it did come equipped with signal lights.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I'm a Chinese and I apologize for what they did.Right now I'm living in US and I saw what this article talked about basically is true.But also realize not all people are the same.And people acted ugly I don't like even they are in China and most Chinese people also don't like them.But I think if you suffered as they did you probably you would act the same way.I'm not talking for anyone but it's better not have bad influence on every Chinese.Every single person is different.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Mr. Larry,

      Youâre just a racist idiot of so afraid of being stereotyped. I bet when your parents emigrated from impoverished rural China they were no better than the people you now look down on. I was born and partly raised in Japan and have been living in Montreal ever since but we (siblings) have always been taught to respect others that are different from us and that is what value is all about. You are just inciting moral indignation from people that are different from you. Please do not pre-judge others and perhaps judge yourself first.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      A well written article that covers many of my own thoughts.

      I don't understand why the majority of Chinese immigrants who move to North America, have to act the way they do. They are very rude, condescending and ill mannered.

      I watched one day an old Chinese man BLOW HIS NOSE onto the floor and wall of the ELEVATOR I was in. I just about threw up. So I said something to him and by my gestures and tone, it was obvious what I was talking about. I'm sure he has never bothered to learn the language of the country he lives in. and he just glared at me, fired off something in rapid fire Chinese (I'm sure it was an apology ;p) and walked out when we got to the lobby.

      As we were waking out we passed our landlord in the lobby. I pointed out the 'gentleman' to the landlord (making sure the snotter saw me telling him and then showed him what he did in the elevator.) The landlord was sufficiently disgusted as well, and said this was the last straw. Apparently this was not anywhere near the first time something like this has happened. I guess he was caught throwing garbage out the window and spitting in the lobby prior to this. He was evicted and hopefully deported.

      If you want to move to another country, great. Welcome. But remember you moved HERE. You need to follow our laws, rules and etiquette. And make an attempt at learning the language. Don't worry about it being perfect, just some basic communication would be nice. And for fuck's sake don't blow your nose in public like that.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      HI im mexican i live in mexico(and i have been in china) , and im so fucking tired of chinese people the have many restaurant here of that thay call food its just disgusting the copy everything they also wanted to take some agave plants out of mexico to produce tequila too thanks god the police stopped them , i think the want to dominate tha planet they copy what other countries produce i hope many countries can work together and no admit chinese living in our countries, they are like rats there are many of them

      people shouldn´t buy their products those products might be cheap but they wont last

      make a favor to the world killing a chinese

      don't buy enything from china like some countries in europe don't buy things from china

      chinese are the most tricky people on earth , never trust a chinese

      besides they are the most ugliest people i ever seen they are no sexy people , never smile , they smell like garlic and onions

      all the time ,

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      i think it`s an o.k website the default is it says a bad word that would cry about or at least my children

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: ....and who are you??? Are you against folks coming here and working hard?

      'people like Who'? ...and what is 'of mind kind'? Immigrants who came here many years ago from Europe?... and worked hard and had nothing handed to them? What the hell is Vampire'ish about that?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Thank you Concerned in Markham. Well said.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      i'm chinese (cantonese area to be exact) but born in vancouver canada in 1976 so i'm a canadian. i do not want to associate with these little fobbers and hongers because i generally dislike them. This is common among Chinese that were born in Canada. I'm sorry but i just don't like meek little immigrant asian people that lack personality. They are everything i try not to be but by association they make us all look bad. not to mention their accent sucks, way they dress and ugly hairstyle. I know it sucks to be stereotyped but there are just too many idiots out there of all races. And there are a lot of Chinese Idiots just due to the sheer numbers. Shitty driving, get in your way when walking, they just exude ignorance, and lack of awareness. Chinese immigrants should go home. We have enough chinese here already. They make us CBC look bad. I don't give a shit that you have some money. I hate the sight of you and you look like dorks.

      I understand not all chinese are like this, i am a descendent of chinese but please, learn english, dress better, get a personality, eat and work out. become fucking normal person not a dork. maybe it irritates me more because i'm chinese. I also hate people from other races that are smelly dorks and for other reason the opposite of meek chinese. they are obnoxious but that's another story

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Why would Chinese move to a country where they hate the people? And again, I don't care how they treat people in their own country, but don't move to another country and disrespect their way of life.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I know exactly where my heritage has come from, and have visited my mother lands many times.

      I have also visited Asian lands and find parts of it (as many people have noted Hong Kong) and have found it beautiful and civilized. I don't know what happened in mainland Chinas history that they spit/sneeze/piss/crap/throw garbage wherever they damn well please, but I kind of don't want to. All I am saying is if you move to another country respect how they live and leave those parts of your culture in china because its ruining our country

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      china was always a polite country with lots of manners in the past, what changed it??? chinese think we treated others like friends why they still burnt our houses, robbed from us, even took over our lands???chinese treated others like vip then what did they get??being called "weak" and wars and wars??manner is unnecessary for those who ask for it. for those people easily got annoyed by others' native languages u think u deserve to be treated good??take a look at yrslef and think about what u r ok??don't be a fakeass always being hard on others, just thx god u were born in america

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      china has suffered big poverty and wars before, it's not a country like yr usa :built on a whole new land with short history, everyone who once arrived can start all over again, even criminals. to understand a culture u need to understand the history, but as an american u will never understand. do u even know much about yr parents' families???what were they? if chinese is that unreasonable to u i only can say americans r good actors, u can live yr new life acting like a noble watching other's being not civilized to yr level, but don't forget everyone was like that, even whites, and their civilization was way later than chinese

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: immigration build this country just so you know

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: shut up, he knows where his parents came from. This is not an anti-asian racist blog, this is a man's experience of how MOST chinks are actually are. Rude, speaking chinese ALL the time EVEN when other non-asians are around (during a debate - completely unheard of), plus it seems they don't know what water and soap is. Integrate or gtfo. I've just about had enough, greetings from somewhere in Europe.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      If people want to come to this country you should first want to learn the language.

      If you all stay hudled together and speak nothing but Chinese (or any other language for that matter) then go back and do that back where you came from.

      Our own immigration policies here have not been made by the average citizen nor has our own government asked us about how the average citizen feels about our immigration laws. However, it is something that whether we like it or not have to accept.

      Should these people who think they want to be here and are here, end up being rude, then I think that you can take what is dished out. Fit in or get out. Learn English. Learn English before you get here. Try to fit in. Stop being rude. If you like being rude and it is like that where you came from......then go back. If it was not like that there, then stop being rude here. Enough is enough. This is not racism.

      My policy is 'people teach you how to treat them'. That means if you treat people rudely then expect it in return. Stop jibbering to each other in Chinese when you are amongst Canadians......whoever you are! Chinese, Iranian, French etc. etc. If you act rudely expect rudeness. We are talking about courtesy here, folks. If we have to put up with immigration then fit in here or get out. Period

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I fell ashame of you, Asian man! When you post this against Asian, donot forget where your parents came from, no matter where you live, you still have an Asian face!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Also this is hidden racism! You don't even respect Chinese culture and as humans, pls tell me why a lot of clinic places posted of aggressive behaviors not allowed there in Aussie land?! I encounter heaps of rude customers who called real Aussies, I encountered my lazy Aussie workmates leaving me outside smoking and chatting during work hours, also, don't tell me those people who put their dirty shoes on the train or drunk and attacking passages on the train...if you don't like Chinese, just say it in straight way, and why government try to attract heaps of Chinese students and businessmen here and even went to china to sell properties?! Money! Everyone knows Australia strong rely on china economy, if you partner with someone, do you not respect them and respect their culture?'!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I don't think USA do better than china, first thing is why they live overseas? The answer is because they can afford to live everywhere they want! Can you American afford to?! You only rely on the difference of currency, which is unfair! Even Chinese live overseas which doesnot mean they betray their country instead they love china! Don't think USA is superior, or talk a lot equity in human rights in front of the world, the people nowadays are not stupid at all, who is troublemaker, who is peaceful country, everyone knows! Look at sexism and vilience scenes in american movies, who will be convinced USA is a good country to live? Definitely not for me, even the sexism shown in cartoon, I won't allow my little kids even bother watching American cartoons! I love china and I am proud of being a Chinese origion..

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I went to Thailand and land in Guangzhou for a couple of hours. They don't treat you with respect and ignore you when you need help. I am a open-minded person, so I try my best to understand that culture is a barrier in how we understand and communiate. Sometimes I wonder if they are just rude in general. I understand that you want to treat your people with respect, but when you have foreigners in your land you want to show them the same as well. I noticed that in some market (especially where more immigrants shop there) they (as in immigrants) tend to be rude as well.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Chinese people r rude and they use everything,even people.i shared the house with chinese girl once and she ate my food but refused to pay half and she asked me for momey when she bought toilet paper,shampoo,anything we share,but she never paid me the food we ate evey breakfast lunch dinner.and the other chinese people said i was bitch because i asked her paying money for the food we ate.i can't understand chinese.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes,I agree with u,chinese people use anything they can take benefit,even people. I shared a room with one chinese girl and she said she was paying the maney for the food we eat,but she stopped paying money even though she kept eating what i cooked and bought! and what was worse she invited some chinese friends and they ate my food without asking me,when i said if she want to eat my food pay half of that price.but she said i had small heart and it lasted until i left the room.she even asked me to pay half for I pad she wanted to buy because she didn't afford to buy it,and we both can use it.but of course I refused that.and almost all the chinese people who is friend of her blamed me because i asked her paying for the food WE BOTH ATE.it was really crazy and i don't want to see them anymore but i am studying abroud in korea,so i have to see them in a class

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I fear you are right. As a newcomer myself looking for a better life, eager to work but with strong moral values I had no prejudices against the Chinese. but now, I reserve my judgment as I see them behaving very ruthlessly at work. They don't seem to feel self-conscious at all of imposing things on others, of being overly competitive, even downright unfair. Trying to denigrate your work, as long as they can get their ways. The ones who work with me, when they can get away with not working, they do and if they can sneak out by the back door at the end of the day not to get noticed, well they do.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Chinese people are sure twat. Be careful when you meet them, because they always want to use others to gets themselves some benefit without giving out anything. Be aware Chinese people around.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      almighty, i totally agree with you. i worked with Chinese New immigrate for a while. it was completely madness. they used dirty trick they could to get money in. the business was a nowhere more than a scam. it was a shame to work with them. they are still work at Flushing New York. their name is Ling Jing. you have to be careful when you see them.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      i come from a chinese heritage myself, although born in Australia. i take in my two cultures equally as i feel it is a benefit to have two cultures than one, the more the better. however the chinese immigrants, or any immigrants that come from a strong culture whether it is chinese, japanese, indian or afghan most do not really integrate in the australian culture, customs, values or even the english language. the chinese escape from a communist country, they don't learn english, stay in the norms of china town (literally), and get paid on government funds. i go back to china for holidays, and the chinese actually say "oh how great to move to australia, and live mostly on government funds." none of them even want to make friends with australian people, they want to reserve their culture. fine reserve it but also take in the new culture. all the immigrants in australia divide in their own norms so literally they are isolated from other australian people.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      What you are seeing in action is Canada's immigration policy gone wrong. From the moment such immigrants set foot in the country, their beliefs have been re-inforced that they have 'bought' their way in to this country. Carefully selected skilled workers should be the single largest dominant immigration category. Applicants should have firm job offers from Canadian employers prior to immigrating and not the other way around. When you make a person qualify through this country's jobs and labour market prior to obtaining permission to live in this country permanently, you will see a different attitude towards things and services in this country. You will see better respect, an eagerness to learn about this country's culture & heritage - none of the multicultural goop you are seeing today. I believe in the benefits that multicultarlism brings to the society; however, a country's culture should get homogenized at some level. What we are seeing today in Canadian socity is an awkward soup of many different cultures struggling to exist together.

      In a lot of ways America has it right. There is respect for the land in every immigrant green card holder's mind about the country. Things in Canada are taken for granted. I am happy that the Conservative government has taken some vital steps in reforming this country's immigration system. Lets hope that we can raise the bar for Candadian immigration in the world's eyes, and claim back the prestige that Canadian residency deserves.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Well let me say that your post Opened my Eyes. I have thought about every single issue you have so candidly written about and now I realize that I am not the only one who ever wondered about this. I happen to be East Indian who came here 12 years ago as an undergraduate University student, worked my way through multiple jobs to finally live a decent middle class life. I happen to be very open-minded, raised with global values even when I was growing up at home. I am used to the odd criticism about different ethnicities and their strange ways including my own. I live in Makham where 90% (if not more) population is native chinese. I run in to all the things you described every single day. From the drivers in their Mercedes & BMWs, who think they own the road and every single parking spot in the parking lot, to the rude home-owners who wouldn't pause watering their lawn for two seconds to allow you to pass the sidewalk while you are in the path of the water gushing from the garden hose.

      I think the Chinese problem is by far the biggest problem to the Canadian and other western societies. Yet its so seldom discussed in the mainstream world because it would be a political nightmare.

      Your post has given me the insight into the reasons why this race continues to treat the entire world (people, environment, animals, etc) with utter dis-respect. The thing about the Chinese is that their shear volume can change the face of entire cities in this world - Vancouver being a prime example. Should I even remind you how this country continues to gobble up the world's resources by an unprecedented amount. They are the single largest threat to the world's endangered wildlife in the name of their disgusting medicinal practices.

      I wonder what this generation of uneducated Chinese is teaching to their next generation. I can only hope that the next generation would possess better respect and other qualities. I am eagerly waiting for the Chinese 'bubble' to burst so that once again this race is shown their place after the 'reset'.

      Finally, I should mention that I don't believe in stereo-typing either. I know many honest value-oriented and hard working Chinese who continue to make a difference in the society. Also, please don't attack me as being racist. For the record, my girl-friend is Chinese, but- like me, she too possesses better values.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: But then again we have liberal left wing pigs who are racist to our own race. THey would hire a nonwhite over us in a heartbeat! Imagine they even are putting their friend's son or daughter out of work how cruel is that!!!!!!!!!1

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: omg people like you are the worst of mind kind. You're here for 400 years? bloody hell what are you a vampire?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It's a she? Jeez she certainly needs to get laid more. And oh yeah there are PLENTY of people that are racist to their own, self-hating jews, self-hating chinese, self-hating so-called liberals that haven't got the slightest pride.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @cc6a80cc6a22: Omg what bigotry. Another self-hating immigrant lol

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I find a lot of the immigrants are racist to our white culture hows that! Some do not like our western lifestyle, in particular some moslems and some east indians. If u don't like our culture why do u chose to live here and complain that is highly insulting to us! We are not all the same either.......

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Im white here for 400 years sir I could not agree with you more! Im sick of this pathetic attitude of entitlement. The earlier immigrants came with nothing and kissed the ground when they landed to canada- just ask any italian or porteguse who came in 1950 or before...........I happen to be of mixed white race..........im 16th generation............

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @cc6a80cc6a22: Yes dear my dad was a lawyer and he had some go od chinese friends who ran businesses and my dad did their business legal work- they are all very respectful. Im not saying everyone in each race is perfect far from it! There are many whites who are rude, dirty, will try to rip u off too! I guess canada has changed. I talked to a man from sri lanka and he told me he thinks canada should give free grant monies to business people who come from other country to start a business instead of the loans they get..........well lets see Im canadian and no one will giive me a damn why sh ould a foreignor get free monies?? A lot are fake claims and the money disappears oversears, which should be a huge concern for us all- as this will driveup our taxes and cost of living................

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I hate people who are arrogant, dishonest, and rude. I hate them so much,I don't even want to be near those kind of people, even if they were my customers, I would just send them away, I don't want your money. People who are ignorant, uneducated people coming from a poor country, who got rich in one generation dishonestly and by cheating and liying, I'm cool with that, It's not my problem. But when they give me their arrogance, and look down on me and think they're better than me, that's when I really run out of patience and want to give them a piece of my mind. Unfortunately, I had a lot of this kind of experiences with new immigrants, not only chinese, but also korean. And I tell you right now, I'm korean. In particular the chinese, they don't even speak english, don't even think they have a university degree but somehow they got rich ripping others off. It is extremely unfair for the rest of us who work honestly and hard for their money, respect and is fair to others, obey the law, and pay their taxes. It makes people like us feel and look pretty darn stupid.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @SusannaDuffy: well how is that possible the perso who wrote this is chinese too- she can't be racist to her own people!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I am a 16th generation white canadian woman and I lived in vancouver until 2001. I met some very nice chinese people who had been in canada for decades and ran restaurants and I have meet others who would chewup u up and spit u out. I always found the chinese culture very mysterious and very different from my white canadian culture. I also had a chinese landlord who had an english first name which i found strange- I guess it was because we wouold never remember his chinese first name- but he was a great landlord he stayed neutral as long as u paid your rent. I also rent from a pakistani moslem and he was harassing the white tenants and breakiing every law that could be broken (incluidng having 2 wives at the same time- hum I wonder if allah would approve of polygemy??)...I still find asians too be selfish and not considering people around them and seem to be greedy with money. The other day an older chinese lady sat beside me on the bus and sat right on my grocery bag which she knew was there on the seat and squished my bread!! She didn't know one word of english but I barked at her in english and a lot of asians smell when they get on the bus of garlic and spices and its sickening for a canadian person to put up with and its not nice going to work or a party etc smelling like spices, we want to smell pretty! I have friends who are white and want to leave vancouver due to people not following our canadian culture and being treated as a second class person.........

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      cc6a80cc6a22 6 years ago

      @SusannaDuffy: You could say that.

      I am not a nice person, so I just point out what I and many people see and agree.

      Not all, but many, Chinese are that bad or tricky.

      This is what us as original Chinese immigrants would agree.

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      Susanna Duffy 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia

      I say that this is a page of racist opinion