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Off the Grid Myth-Busting

Updated on August 16, 2014

The Truth About Off the Grid Living

What first comes to mind when you think about living off the grid? Do you envision a peaceful and comfortable life in a beautiful environment, or do you imagine a remote setting with more than its share of isolation and hardship? What is truth and what is myth when it comes to these conflicting views of an off the grid way of life?

I'm here to debunk many of the myths that exist with regard to living this type of green lifestyle. Here's the truth, as I know it from experience, about living off the grid. Let's go bust some myths!

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The Ultimate In Off Grid Living

I just finished reading about the Stone Camp last night and I have to tell you it has opened up my eyes to so many more possibilities. Ted Carns has truly pushed the envelope when it comes to off grid living. Over the past 35 years, Carns has created a zero waste lifestyle that has truly redefined sustainability.

Off On Our Own: Living Off-Grid in Comfortable Independence: One Couple's ""Learn as We Go"" Journey to Self-Reliance
Off On Our Own: Living Off-Grid in Comfortable Independence: One Couple's ""Learn as We Go"" Journey to Self-Reliance

If you are a think outside the box person, you will love the solutions and systems that Ted Carns has invented for nearly every aspect of green living. Give Carns a box of cast off parts and he will come up with a methane digester, a new way of purifying water, or a propane refrigerator conversion. There are no limits to his creativity and engineering genius.

This book will take anyone who lives off grid, or dreams of doing so, to new places in terms of going far beyond the norm (way beyond the gridlock of unimaginative living). As a result of reading this account of life at the Stone Camp, I am inspired to take my off grid living to a much deeper level.

 

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#1: Off the grid living means a life of isolation.

Truth or Myth?

Isolation is a myth.

Not everyone who resides off the grid lives like a hermit. Granted, some individuals enjoy a great deal of solitude. Off the grid does not necessarily equate with a remote location far from neighbors, family, friends, and conveniences.

Some "off-the-gridders" actually live close to what others think of as civilization. They may dwell outside of the city limits, but still live close to stores, services, places of employment, and other people.

This myth may have gotten started because many off the grid dwellers choose to live away from the hustle and bustle of urban centers. Also, strict zoning laws are likely to encourage some families to seek rural locations that have fewer restrictions. Remote land can often be more cost-affordable and more amenable to building the types of homes preferred by those seeking a natural lifestyle.

I can think of the example of straw bale construction. One reason I moved to this location in Colorado is that I may build a straw bale casita or cabin. This is a good climate for it and the zoning laws allow this type of construction. Wide variations exist regionally when it comes to building green or earth-friendly abodes. That is a huge consideration when choosing where to live your off the grid life.

#2: Living off the grid means doing without.

Truth or Myth?

Deprivation is a myth.

If you take the term off the grid literally, the one thing you will have to do without is being connected to the power grid. And you know what that means: You will have to do without those dreaded utility bills.

Does that mean you have to go without electricity? No. There are many ways to generate power when living unplugged from the grid. Do you have to give up appliances? No. However, if you utilize solar energy, like I do, there are adjustments to be made. For instance, appliances that draw lots of amps do not work well with smaller solar power systems. Specifically? Toaster ovens, electric clothes dryers, some electric hair dryers, some power tools, and machines with certain types of heat elements (for example: espresso machines, electric woks, electric space heaters, etc.).

What is the impact? You adapt. I still make toast. I still stir-fry food. I still dry my clothes. I haven't given up good coffee. I use my power tools when necessary. And, I still have a space heater. The adaptations? Whenever possible I dry my clothing out on a clothes line. My laundry has never smelled fresher. I purchase energy-efficient appliances that draw less power. I use propane gas appliances when it is more feasible (like my stove and wall furnace). Finally, when absolutely necessary, I run my back-up generator so that I can use those tools and appliances that need an extra power boost.

Did I give up indoor plumbing? No. My off the grid cabin has running water and an indoor bathroom. Did I give up air conditioning? Yes. I don't need it here in the mountains. I really cannot think of one thing I need that I do not have. All in all, if you are living off the grid and lacking in something, it may have been a personal choice to do without that amenity.

#3: An off the grid lifestyle is only for the young.

Truth or Myth?

The requirement to be young is a myth.

I am amazed at how often I hear the comment: I'm too old to live off the grid. I should have done it when I was young.

That may be true for some individuals. For those with serious medical issues, perhaps some off the grid scenarios would not be possible. Age, however, in itself, is not a true barrier for most individuals. I can understand that those who are significantly mobility-challenged may need a more mainstream lifestyle. Certainly, as one ages, convenient access to medical services looms large in terms of priorities.

If you are basically healthy, age need not be a deterrent to living an off the grid lifestyle. There are many individuals who have lived out their lives in an off grid setting. I didn't start this incredibly rewarding lifestyle until I was in my 40s, and I have to say, I am so thankful I didn't let age keep me from living my dream.

#4: A life off the grid is a life of poverty.

Truth or Myth?

Poverty is a myth.

You don't have to be poor just because you decide to live off the grid. Some individuals do choose to adopt a life of what they call voluntary poverty. Not everyone needs a lot of money to live well or sustainably.

What each of us might term as poverty is very unique to our perspective on what defines a good life. It's not just a term denoting income level. Each individual has a different comfort zone when it comes to how much money is needed to sustain a chosen type of lifestyle. I can live very well on very little. I don't need or want lots of possessions. In fact, for many years I have been in the process of downsizing by choice. That's just me. I certainly don't judge others for having or desiring something different.

The main point is this: You can be rich or you can be poor no matter where you live. It's not necessarily a function of off the grid living.

#5: It is not affordable to live off the grid.

Truth or Myth?

It is a myth that off the grid living is not affordable.

Each of us has a different financial situation. It is not possible to generalize to all. That being said, I will share that my cost of living is significantly less now that I am living off the grid. My mortgage payments are lower. My taxes are more reasonable. I am able to afford more land off the grid than I ever could have afforded in an urban or suburban setting. In addition, I have no utility bills except my monthly fee for a satellite Internet connection (and occasionally filling a propane tank).

Cost is vastly dependent on location, water rights, taxation, size and type of home, number of desired amenities, insurance, distance from necessary services, and more. Affordability must be determined person by person, family by family. What I am seeing here in Colorado is more and more families and retirees moving off the grid. Part of that trend may be due to tough economic times, living on a fixed income, and/or a desire to live in a more basic or essential manner. Personally, I believe we will see more people choosing this lifestyle in the coming years.

#6: You must know a great deal before moving off the grid.

Truth or Myth?

It is a myth that you must have vast knowledge before moving off the grid.

You don't have to know everything up front to be able to successfully make the move to off the grid living. What you do need to have is a real appetite for learning. There are many things you can learn best by doing. Experience is often the best teacher.

I knew very little about solar energy when I moved into my off the grid home. The first thing I did, though, was to educate myself regarding the photovoltaic panels and battery system. That is just one example. I cannot even begin to tell you how much I have learned since moving off the grid. It has been an amazing education, an ongoing learning journey.

There are so many exceptional resources related to green living. I am fortunate to have a friend who is highly knowledgeable and competent when it comes to fixing anything that might break down. His expertise has been a huge benefit to me when I run into mechanical issues with my generator, water pump, or solar inverter. Most of what I have needed to know I have been able to learn via books or the Internet.

What would you want to know before moving off the grid?

The Green Learning Curve

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      fromthebungalow 3 years ago

      Great lens! I'd like to know how to legally live #offthegrid: logistics, building codes, zoning laws, etc.

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      vsajewel 3 years ago

      Fascinating ideas and beautiful photography. It's not something I ever knew much about, but it's got me thinking...thank you.

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      Jim Houston 3 years ago from Wilmer, Alabama

      This lens is truly a call of the wild. We live in the country but not yet off grid. Great Stuff.

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      CustomerCallers 3 years ago

      Nice lens - have always been a Thoreau fan. Sometimes the romantic view of living off grid can cloud people, but it does not mean one has to sacrifice comfort in order to do so.

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      sierradawn lm 3 years ago

      Congratulations on your purple star! This lens is beautiful!

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      sierradawn lm 3 years ago

      I spent many years off the grid when living on my mountain top. The question that I was most interested in then was how to construct a Mother Earth composting toilet. A wonderful lens! Beautiful pictures as always!

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      Peter Messerschmidt 3 years ago from Port Townsend, WA, USA

      Mostly, I think I would want to improve my "radical self-reliance skills" in terms of being able to build and repair stuff, and understand how electricity, plumbing and so forth truly "works."

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      Deborah Swain 3 years ago from Rome, Italy

      Even city dwellers can do so much to reduce their impact...I live in Rome, Italy without air conditioning and I always dry my clothing out on a clothes line. Every little helps...excellent lens.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Great article! It can be accomplished in increments, doing one thing more each year, living mindfully and simply. I think it calls out to us as we grow wiser in our years.

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      ZenSolar 3 years ago

      I definitely encourage off the grid living! I have plans to develop a fully renewable live-in office house with a negative carbon footprint!

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      Flora Crew 3 years ago from Evanston, Illinois

      Very well done and informative.

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      Family_Survival_Strategies 3 years ago

      This is such a great lens. TOTALLY debunking the many many myths about living off the grid. It's crazy the ideas people get into their heads about the poverty/suffering aspect or needing to be young or whatever. People do this at any age, any stage of live and in ANY AREA. It's all about using sustainable energy, smart (passive solar, for instance) design and many other intelligent uses of nature vs. utilities. Thank you for creating this lens and bringing these things to light. I appreciate your wise words and your being the VOICE OF REASON! Best to you! -Pepper M, Website Owner, familysurvivalstrategies.org

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      June Parker 3 years ago from New York

      Awesome advice. I want to get back into this lifestyle badly.

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      Do-It-Yourself-Solar 3 years ago

      Creative mind, this can help everyone to have a lovely place to live. Very nice.

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      KristinRey 3 years ago

      Where is the best place to live off the grid?

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      RoadMonkey 3 years ago

      how to be able to keep warm in winter.

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      tonyleather 3 years ago

      I love that this excellent post pointed out how it is perfectly possible to live off the grid for anybody that wishes to do so - wherever they might live - without needing to be isolationist about it. Great lens!

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      Shinichi Mine 3 years ago from Tokyo, Japan

      I think I would like to try it for a week to see what it's like. I know it's probably the coward's way but I do have all kinds of fears. Having said that, I am very intrigued of the idea and it appeals to me.

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      caretakerray lm 3 years ago

      Awesome! Very well done lens.

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      Kate Fereday Eshete 3 years ago from Ethiopia

      Good for you for dispelling all those myths. I must say that Ted Carns' book, 'Off on Your Own' looks very good. I have 'The Complete Book of Self-Sufficiency' by John Seymour, published in 1976! This is the classic British book for living "off the grid", though rather dated now. There's a Natural Energy section covering water power, solar power, wind power, and fuel (methane gas) from waste. Anyway, thanks for another interesting and thought-provoking lens.

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      Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

      @anonymous: Can any readers here offer assistance?

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      Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

      @blestman lm: I know there are many individuals who do successfully transition to a more off grid situation even in urban settings. I will be sure to hook you up with any resources or links that I find. Thanks for posting this interest of yours. It's a great goal to have.

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      Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

      @anonymous: I wish I had an answer for you. Perhaps someone visiting this site from the UK will be able to help. I'm sure we all want to be of assistance. Thanks for asking. Let's see what we can collectively come up with in response to your inquiry.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hi I'm new to this site, I stumbled a pone it while looking for land to buy. I am asking this question again, because I could not find an answer to my question. Is it possible to insure your camper van with out a permanent address and if so how do I go about it? I have a sister who lives in her caravan all year round but she can insure her car through the army base she works at, I have no such look, and do not want to have to ask to do it from other people's homes. Can anybody help.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hi I would like to know how can I tax and insure my camper van if I don't have a residence I live in the UK.

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      blestman lm 4 years ago

      I wonder if this is something that you can build up to. I am trying to figure out how to get offf the grid in a more urban environment

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      Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

      @ecogranny: Yes, zoning and financing can be hurdles, though I had no problems at all. My closing on this property was blazing fast. Really varies by bank and by locale.

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      Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

      @ecogranny: Anything's possible no matter when you start.

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      Kathryn Grace 4 years ago from San Francisco

      First that pops to mind are the hurdles one might encounter with banks when financing an off-grid property, especially if building a straw-bale or Earthbag home.

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      Kathryn Grace 4 years ago from San Francisco

      Came back because of your guest post on Robin's HQ page today. I had forgotten I had read this page, so it was like new, and I thank you again for the inspiration. Perhaps we can yet find a way to live off the grid, despite our advancing years. It has been nearly a life-long dream. I'm getting the book. Excellent article, btw.

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      Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

      @rbnewman55: I often hear this from a husband or wife. One really wants the lifestyle, the other is not as sure (or ready to take the plunge).

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      Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

      @lesliesinclair: Every day I want to know more. It's a wonderful feeling to wake up hungry to know more than I did yesterday. I am sensing you leaning in toward this lifestyle.

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      lesliesinclair 4 years ago

      I'd like to know more than I know now, but I think I'd like to do it.

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      rbnewman55 4 years ago

      Personally, I could hack it. Not sure the wife would like it.

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      Avi Wolfson 4 years ago from Massachusetts

      Very insightful, thanks for sharing!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      living off the grid is good when your government is using your money to buy a new mansion with the water bill that you pay

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      clevergirlname 4 years ago

      Very good - I've been thinking about this type of thing myself!

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      LUMOSE 4 years ago

      Interesting lens.

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      HobbitFoot 4 years ago

      I would like to know good locations for good prices. I currently live in Reno, and I'm sure there is something nearby. Do you know of any web pages that have some sort of directory of good off-grid locations? Or even off-grid communities? Thank you!

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      blestman lm 4 years ago

      This lens was very helpful. Thank you. I really want to get off the grid because I think there must be a better way to do things than to set up your home as an energy black hole.

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      Birthday Wishes 4 years ago from Here

      I have learned a lot! Thanks a lot for sharing this wonderful lens!!!

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      Gayle Dowell 4 years ago from Kansas

      Love this lens! I always wanted to live in the mountains away from the city I grew up in. I still want to!

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      ComicBookKid 4 years ago

      Great Lens, I'm always interested in ways to reduce my ecoogical footprint.

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      siobhanryan 4 years ago

      Great lens

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I would like to go someplace to see how it works and decide what I like to do.

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      DotAWiggins 4 years ago

      Great article, very informative. We are progressing toward "off grid, fully self-sufficient living". My biggest concern is being so dependent on the high electricity items like the black hole TV and the computers and then internet options. But research is a beautiful thing and we will fill in the answers and unplug as we find viable solutions. @Uniquely Dot

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      Lorelei Cohen 4 years ago from Canada

      I hope you are having a wonderful Valentine's day. All the very best of wishes.

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      Carol Brooks 4 years ago from Florida

      I wanted to live on a sailboat and get away from the rat race. My project failed for a lot of reasons. I wasn't prepared. Didn't know enough about sailing etc. I was scared to do it alone. I wrote a lens about my experience. It's called "Living on a Sailboat". I'm still open to off the grid opportunities however. Will do my homework next time.

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      rooshoo 4 years ago

      I totally want to live off the grid someday. It would be so nice to have lots of peace and quiet. Interesting lens.

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      Toy-Tester 4 years ago

      definitely worth considering and looking into.

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      Peregrina LM 4 years ago

      I'd love to try it someday. Thanks for the information!

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      TedWritesStuff 4 years ago

      Interesting lens.. not my kinda lifestyle though.

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      azamkhan760 4 years ago

      Nice Lens Thanks For Sharing This Great lens

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      AstroGremlin 4 years ago

      I have lived off the grid and without electricity. I have taken an interest in microhydro power but it takes a fairly big stream and a long drop. Living without gasoline is much harder.

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      mecheshier 4 years ago

      Pure water is the most essential. Source of heat is a good idea.

      Thank you for a great lens. :-)

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Having a source of drinking water and need for filtering. Next, starting off without electricity and water, how does one go about it?

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      VictoriaKelley 4 years ago

      Where I live there are a lot of people living off the grid. We are blessed with an abundance of sun and wind so we use plenty of natural resources here. Learning is essential and there are always others to teach you. Great Lens!

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      Linda Jo Martin 4 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

      There are a lot of people living off the grid in the areas around Happy Camp, here in Northern California. They still come into town a lot - to work, or to use the laundromat.

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      justmelucy 4 years ago

      I would want to know more about bartering and sharing talents in a community setting.

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      ismeedee 5 years ago

      Hmmmm... this lifestyle has always appealed to me and lately it is at the forefront of my mind. My primary problem is kids. Because my daughter needs to get to college and my littlest one is established at school and needs to be near his father. But great lens and you've fuelled my desire for this simpler, far better life!

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      GreenfireWiseWo 5 years ago

      I would like to know more about the steps to moving to an off the grid life. Great lens - very informative.

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      Melissa Miotke 5 years ago from Arizona

      I would want to know more about growing food consistently. We recently started growing some herbs, veggies and fruits but what comes in so far seems to be sporadic. I'd be afraid to rely solely on our efforts given our results so far.

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      Pam Irie 5 years ago from Land of Aloha

      I need to finally learn how to can food. My mom did it every year. I grudgingly helped but didn't learn a thing. My loss! I would want to be more self sufficient when it comes to preserving food.

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      coolmon2009 lm 5 years ago

      I have been interested in this topic for last 12 years, nice lens.

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      ArthurF LM 5 years ago

      It must be an amzing lifestyle. Thank you for this wonderful insight!

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      Lorelei Cohen 5 years ago from Canada

      I did not realize that you live off the grid. How truly fascinating and how very much I now applaud and admire you.

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      Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

      @GeekGirl1: You are very right. It _is_ a big lifestyle change. I'm with you... it's the simple life that appeals to me. Only what is essential. Living that way creates true freedom and contentment. Wishing you the life of your dreams.

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      GeekGirl1 5 years ago

      Moving off the grid means a big lifestyle change. But I like it since I only want a simple life.

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      Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

      @SgtCecil: The Internet access was a deal maker or breaker for me. I must have it to be able to work and stay connected. Fortunately, there are good options that have worked well for me. I can appreciate that it is a concern for you, also. Thanks for your comment.

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      Cecil Kenmill 5 years ago from Osaka, Japan

      internet access has always been my main concern. everything else seems possible with patience and an open mind. great lens!

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      Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

      @robertclarke: Fortunately, I found a place that has plenty of sunshine all year long. I don't often run my backup generator (only if there are several days in a row without sun, which rarely occurs here even in the winter). In terms of Internet access, I stay connected with a satellite dish. Wouldn't want to be without web access. As for making less money off grid, it's all relative. The costs are so much fewer, too. I feel richer than when I was making bigger bucks. And, if I went all out, I could make really good money off grid. Right now my priorities are just in different places. Really appreciate your thoughtful reflections. Thank you!

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      robertclarke 5 years ago

      I have mixed feelings about the thought of living off the grid. This is what I think:

      1) Cost - Energy is going to be a lot more, even with solar panels, you would only be able to use electricity when the sun is out, very bad in winter when the days are shorter when you need energy the most.

      2) Isolation - It would be a bit isolating, certainly makes it difficult for people to visit. However, if you can access the internet, get a good mobile signal, I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad.

      3) Volunteer to be in poverty - I don't think many people would volunteer to be in poverty. But then again there are other riches in life, beyond material gains.

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      UKGhostwriter 5 years ago

      I have family who live in a place called Denio. pop 29, it's the last place in Nevada before you cross the cattlegrid into Oregon. It takes about 90 minutes for any emergency services to get there!

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      Rumisglass 5 years ago

      Wonderful lens!

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      ElizabethOSP 5 years ago

      More knowledge of alchemy of solar power will be an excellent thing for my family. We are getting there...bit by bit! Bless you for creating this lense!!!

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      KandDMarketing 5 years ago

      Why haven't I done it sooner? Over the last year, we have been preparing our property for the move off-grid, well, not entirely off grid. We will be starting out as an interconnected system while I build our batteries up and with the ultimate goal of selling power BACK to the local power company.

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      marsha32 5 years ago

      I am also sharing this one in today's blog post as well.

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      Akasma 5 years ago

      Thank you so much for this. I live in the city (houston, TX) right now but do plan to move as soon as we can sell our current house. This article is reassuring to our future goals though. For now, we share the green love right in the city.

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      Lee Hansen 5 years ago from Vermont

      Just winging back by ... love this lens. In Vermont living off the grid is really not so unusual and the electric companies buy back excess power quite happily. Other less-off-grid lifestyles are the norm: wood heat is not only used in homes it's also the fuel for the state government buildings in Montpelier and biomass systems are part of many municipalities. My own town is looking at converting the local school, library, town hall and a rehabbed housing complex to use a shared biomas system. Vermont grows lots of hardwood, its own renewable energy resource.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Diana Wenzel: just got 8 acres on starkweather road.. movin up n off the grid on june 1 2012.. gimme a shout.. my s.o. n I r lookin for new friends..

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      Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

      @anonymous: I live in the south central part of Colorado (in the San Luis Valley). Other folks from the Springs have relocated here. There is plenty of affordable land for green living (off the grid if desired). We would welcome you to this area. Thanks for asking.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      May I ask where in Colorado do they allow green living I want to build a GeoDome , I currently reside in Colorado Springs but want to move to the mountains to live off the Grid. Please reply

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      shahedashaikh 5 years ago

      Prefer the crowd than isolation.tho' solitude is kind of okay once in a while.

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      BlissGlutenFree 5 years ago

      I dream of living off the grid! i hope to someday soon make it my reality:) Thanks for this lens!

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      wheresthekarma 5 years ago

      I hope its ok that I feature this lens in my "If I Won The Lotto" lens. :)

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      juliet765 5 years ago

      Thanks for reminding us that we need to start living again.

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      LouisaDembul 5 years ago

      I think I could live off the grid, part-time. Like, cutting down on unnecessary stressful activities and gadgets. Good reminder that we need to think about what is most important in our lives.

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      julieannbrady 5 years ago

      Where is the best location for moving off the grid?

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      JoshK47 5 years ago

      Very interesting to know - thanks for sharing! Blessed by a SquidAngel!

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      Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

      @anonymous: People define off the grid in various ways. I am off the power grid. Where I live things are far less regulated than in many places. I do enjoy many freedoms. Thank you for asking.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      How is it off the grid living if you are still paying taxes etc? if you are truly off the grid, you are just that, off the grid. That means disconnected from society and living a free life away from any kinds of rules or regulations.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Learning skills to become more self-sufficient would be helpful. Plus basic skills for home maintenance, gardening, off the grid energy alternatives, etc.

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      earthybirthymum 5 years ago from Ontario, Canada

      You inspire! Many Blessings

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Just wanted to step into your world for a bit. The weather has been so mild this winter, good for everyone, and wildlife too. I find so much peace here. :)

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      flicker lm 5 years ago

      Came back to read this lens a second time. Enjoyed my visit!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      very interesting lens.........

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I chose to live on-the-grid in a small neighborhood in Hawaii. 30-40 years ago, several individuals moved here to be off the grid. They are surrounded and resent it. What's more, they are demanding that we supply them with indoor bathrooms and flush toilets. They want to keep everything the same....except for conveniences for their aging bodies. Hogwash. I respect their choice and enjoy their company, but I am not responsible for bringing them into the 21st century

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      OzGirl LM 5 years ago

      I love your lenses about living off the grid. They are not only inspiring, but very informative also.

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      Gayle 5 years ago from McLaughlin

      I am very intrigued about living off the grid. You have made it sound very interesting.

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      dvdmoviereviews 5 years ago

      I would really like to give this a try

    #7: Living off the grid is a step backward.

    Truth or Myth?

    Off the grid living as a step backward is a myth.

    You may worry that some of your friends, colleagues, or family members might consider an off grid lifestyle to be a step backward. Often, many of us worry too much about how we are perceived by others.

    What is forward progress? Is it tied to what we call modern living? Is a simple lifestyle — a lifestyle stripped down to essentials — less than other ways of life? Is it possible that a move to a more basic manner of living could actually be a step forward?

    These are the questions of the quest for a life of contentment. Each of us has our own answers within. Where will your next step lead you?

    Where do you stand?

    When it comes to off the grid living, I'm all for standing...

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    Thank you!

    In appreciation for your time here, please enjoy a free copy of Walden by Henry David Thoreau (provided by Project Gutenberg).

    Download Walden as a free e-book or read it online.

    Did my myth-busting change any of your perceptions about off the grid living?

    Have you changed your mind?

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        fromthebungalow 3 years ago

        I usually feel I need to be an expert in before "going for it." This lens helped me see #offthegrid living is a learn-as-you-go experience.

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        james25882 3 years ago

        What a fascinating Lens... Thanks for the read!

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        Cynthia Sylvestermouse 3 years ago from United States

        I don't think I would have ay trouble adapting to living off the grid. Right now, we have to stay put for my husbands job, but we will definitely be making some changes when he retires. You truly are a Renaissance woman. I certainly admire your fearless, nothing can stop you, attitude. Why do I feel like you have said things like "if they could do it, I can too!" :)

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        Jackie Jackson 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale

        It's a lifestyle I'd love. I'm not there yet because I live in the hustle and bustle of Fort Lauderdale but I try. We never use AC and I line dry the laundry. We have solar chargers and a wind up radio - from necessity, the power goes off here when there's a slight gust of wind. Ourpower bill is mainly computers,lighting and cooking. But it would be wonderful to have an off the grid condo in the middle of South Florida :)

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        Peter Messerschmidt 3 years ago from Port Townsend, WA, USA

        Seems to me quite a few of the myths surrounding living "off-grid" are born from the fact than so many people who start that lifestyle START from "the edge of poverty" so they appear to be overrepresenting off-grid living. What I mean is, these are folks who already lived in a converted school bus for 20 years (no disrespect there, I lived in one, myself), and can't AFFORD to "make it nice," so a lot of off-grid homes end up looking like one step up from ghetto living. The off-gridders I know here in town are NOT living in dirt floor dwellings and fetching cold water in pails from the well... their houses look all but identical to anyone else's except for the solar arrays and wind turbines.

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        Susan Zutautas 3 years ago from Ontario, Canada

        oops I think I hit post by mistake before I finished my comment. Anyway .... enjoyed your very informative article very much.

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        Susan Zutautas 3 years ago from Ontario, Canada

        My cousin lives off the grid and has been for over 25 years now. I always love visiting her and usually I usually stay with her for a week at a time. Seems like the perfect life style to me. I would love to live off the gird however convincing hubby to do so

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        Margaret Schindel 3 years ago from Massachusetts

        It was a big adjustment for me to go from living smack dab in the middle of a large city to the suburbs a 15-20 minute drive away, so chances are slim that I'll ever go completely off the grid. But what you've shared definitely has me thinking about new ways to live greener and reduce our energy consumption, which is higher than we'd like. Wonderful information and inspiration!

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        Eugene Samuel Monaco 3 years ago from Lakewood New York

        You certainly make it sound easier than I thought it would be. I guess I'm just not ready to take that leap, I do admire you for following your heart and your commitment to a greener life. Thanks for sharing this I've learned a lot here today.

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        mstcourtjester 3 years ago

        We are still on the grid, but are super frugal.

        We keep our utility costs down to less than $60 per month average.

        Great lens!

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        My affection for modern plumbing precludes much of this, although I appreciate the idea, and as a committed city person, the possibilities are limited. Nevertheless, we can always benefit by moving closer to an idealized idea, and I've done that. But I doubt I'd ever go all the way.

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        RoadMonkey 3 years ago

        yes, it does not look quite as difficult as I have assumed it might be.

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        newyorkdude 3 years ago

        One of my cousins lived off the grid (until the first baby was born). She told me the hardest part was keeping the critters away from the home grown veggies. There are a lot of hungry animals out there!

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        Rob Hemphill 3 years ago from Ireland

        This is something I would really like to do, but in Ireland it would unfortunately be totally impractical.

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        Renaissance Woman 3 years ago from Colorado

        @DawnRae64: You are very welcome.

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        Renaissance Woman 3 years ago from Colorado

        @DawnRae64: Your day will come. I'm with you... I like to be as far off the grid as possible (but not because I'm antisocial). It's all about the peace of having a big buffer of wide open space.

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        Dawn 3 years ago from Maryland, USA

        PS. thank you for visiting my lens. :)

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        Dawn 3 years ago from Maryland, USA

        LOVE! I had friends who lived off-grid in Arizona. I'd love to live off-grid. They were more social than i am, so they lived off-grid but close to civilization. I want to live off-grid and farther out. the only thing that stops me is the finances to get the place and maintain the place. the types of places i'd like to be would make a commute to work more than i could stand. Someday.....

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        Kate Fereday Eshete 3 years ago from Ethiopia

        Oh, I'm glad to see John Seymour's 'A Self-sufficient Life and How to lead it' among your book recommendations. I live about as Far Away as you can get, so didn't believe any of those myths you listed. I hope that through this and your related lenses you are successful in converting die-hard urban-dwellers so that they seek an alternative, greener, healthier and happier life "off the grid". Keep up the good work!

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        mathew31 4 years ago

        I would enjoy living off the grid.

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @Cynthia Haltom: I like the sound of that.

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @shewins: I appreciate how much the cost has come down on solar panels and other green technology. I have also considered wind power. There's plenty of that where I live, but I don't like the noise of some of the wind generators (and the initial expense).

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @MBurgess: I find the work very satisfying. It feels much less draining than the long commutes I used to make in heavy traffic.

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @lesliesinclair: Sometimes we just have to move in harmony with that tug. You will know if the time is right. I will grow all of my own produce this year. Nothing healthier, that's for sure.

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        lesliesinclair 4 years ago

        As I plan to move I'm nagged by a desire to do just this - live off the grid and grow produce too.

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        Faye Rutledge 4 years ago from Concord VA

        I wouldn't mind living off the grid. Thanks for your visit and comment to my July 4th Party lens. Enjoy your 4th!

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        tahirmahmood 4 years ago

        Thanks for sharing

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        Maria Burgess 4 years ago from Las Vegas, Nevada

        I would love to do something like this in a remote area. It may be a lot of hard work but so is living the fast pace life I have now. The difference would be fresher air among other things! Great lens!

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        shewins 4 years ago

        I lived without electricity throughout my 20s. It really was more because it wasn't available where I lived than anything else. Solar panels were very expensive back then, the only electric appliance I had was a small battery operated TV. It worked off a car battery that was swapped out every other day to be charged up in the car. I may be moving back there, if I do I'll be using solar and/or wind power.

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        Cynthia Haltom 4 years ago from Diamondhead

        I walk to the beat of a different drummer.

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        Ellen Gregory 4 years ago from Connecticut, USA

        It's nice to live off the grid a little and simplify life. I don't think I am ready to give up electricity although I would love to. It bothers me that utilities are monopolies and the consumer is at their mercy. Still they are a necessary evil.

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        Dee Gallemore 4 years ago

        Wanted to re-visit this lens and leave a bit of angel dust (since our "powers" are going away soon ;-). This is one of my favorite. Lots of enlightening info about living off the grid and a much simpler way of lving. Be well!

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        Dabdab 4 years ago

        This page is really inspirational. Me and my OH have been thinking about off the grid living for year but we live in the UK and planning restrictions are very tight here. However, that is changing, you still can't build whatever you want but you can now get planning permission for things like solar panels. So maybe the time has come to be a bit braver and take the plunge. Thank you for a very informative lens.

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        Birthday Wishes 4 years ago from Here

        Yes, a little bit... ;-)

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        imagelist lm 4 years ago

        Thanks for sharing...

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        Bartukas 4 years ago

        Interesting lens :P

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        Judith Nazarewicz 4 years ago from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

        I found your lens and loved reading it. It's wonderful to know that there are so many like minded people. My husband and I lived many years off the grid but decided to live closer to towns when our children were growing up so that they could experience both ways of life. Now that our children are on their own, we are considering moving back to the life we used to live. We both can't wait, we are so excited! Absolutely wonderful lens.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        It is a breath of fresh air to stop by here again. I am so happy for you that you are living your dreams. Not everyone gets to that, and you do it with such grace. :)

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        LifeAhead 4 years ago

        Living "off the grid" can mean different things to different people but it essentially means not being connected to the a local electrical utility. The degree to which we take our sustainability is a matter of personal choice. I live in a rural area that is peaceful, and we're surrounded by farmland, cows and hay. I live "on the grid" but we have neighbours just down the road living "off the grid". I find earthships are a particularly fascinating approach to sustainable living.

        Very nice lens with good information. Thanks.

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        HDElectronics 4 years ago

        Great lens, thanks for the info, very inspiring!

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        im4suidoo 4 years ago

        It dawned on me that off the grid need not be always in the woods, it can be right in the city too. It is our mindset and point of view that need to adapt.

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        DebMartin 4 years ago

        I love this lens. Does my heart good every time I read it. Just back for a blessing. d

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        Mark Falco 4 years ago from Reno, Nevada

        If it were up to me I would up sticks and head off into the mountains for an off-grid life tomorrow but my wife is not so keen on the idea. I think I'll pass this lens on to her, maybe it'll help change her mind.

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        IamShea 4 years ago

        I would like to live off the grid but it's just not feasible for me to do so.

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        Resident-Nerd 4 years ago

        Great lens. Living greener can benefit us all more than most realize. Thanks

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        Michael Oksa 4 years ago

        Thank you for clearing up many of the misconceptions that surround living off-grid.

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        Susan R. Davis 4 years ago from Vancouver

        I like my technology an awful lot, but you've at least made me think harder about it. *blessed*

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        Takkhis 4 years ago

        Wonderful lens and honestly i was curious of this lens. Blessed!

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @KathyMcGraw2: I recently benefitted from the significant price drops associated with photovoltaic panels. I added another solar panel to my system this summer. This new panel was half the cost of the other three that are about five years old. I'm thrilled to see alternative energy options become more affordable.

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @Sean1987: Perhaps one day when the time is right. It's definitely worth exploring.

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @AstroGremlin: I feel the same way. Fortunately, my solar power is completely dependable. I spend lots of hours on the computer every day. It's my connection with the outside world (and my means of earning a living).

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @dumpstergourmet: Thank you!

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @GregoryMoore: The way I Squidoo off the grid is by having a satellite dish for my Internet service (since I don't have the option of hooking up in a traditional way via landlines). It works great. I must have Internet access to make a living out here (there are few jobs to be had in my outback). Thanks for asking.

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        Gregory Moore 4 years ago from Louisville, KY

        How could I Squidoo off the grid?

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        dumpstergourmet 4 years ago

        Love this, very informative, well organized and encouraging - thanks!

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        AstroGremlin 4 years ago

        With my new dependence on computers, I would want a reliable source of power.

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        Sean Gagne 4 years ago from Tampa Bay Area

        Sometimes I wish I lived off the grid

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        Kathy McGraw 4 years ago from California

        Another in your wonderful articles. I took the quiz and was pleasantly surprised I got 100%. It used to be that solar panels were so expensive that people either couldn't afford them, or thought they couldn't. With our current administration talking about alternative energy all the time, and advances in technology...I think more and more people will use this. But, that is only one aspect of living off the grid as so many of your writings show.

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        Chuck Nelson 4 years ago from California

        I wouldn't mind living off the grid, I know some who do.

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        getmoreinfo 4 years ago

        I love all the wonderful information in this lens and your explanation of what living off the grid is really about. I had to stop back by and sprinkle some angel dust on this lens. Blessings.

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        Renaissance Woman 4 years ago from Colorado

        @Rosetta Slone: This is pretty stunning (the stance in your country toward green practices). I deeply respect your persistence in fighting for things that should be highly acceptable (composting, etc.). Harvesting rainwater was illegal when I first moved into my off grid home. I'm happy to report that the laws have changed to allow it. Progress happens. Fight on! I've with you in spirit.

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        Rosetta Slone 4 years ago from Under a coconut tree

        I would love to go off the grid but here in France it's sadly illegal. We've had to fight to do simple things like build a composting toilet or harvest rainwater, both of which are generally not allowed. And having an independent energy source would give our local council a heart attack! Your lens inspires me to keep pushing to get these things accepted here, even though there's a long road ahead to change the laws.

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        RinchenChodron 4 years ago

        Nice job on this educational lens. Most people don't know what living off-the-grid means.

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        AnnsHomeDecor 4 years ago

        I enjoyed reading your lens. Nice work.

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        attraction 42 4 years ago

        I LOVE IT!!! THANK YOU FOR SHARE!

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        I enjoy reading this awesome lens, nicely done!

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        justmelucy 4 years ago

        Thank you for sharing another one of the best lenses that I have seen. I can hardly wait to say I am living off the grid for real.

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        VatsalMakhija 4 years ago

        Fantastic lens :) I love the way you structured it.

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        JoleneBelmain 5 years ago

        I grew up on a farm when I was young (not on an everyday pace, but spent a lot of my weekends there with my grandparents). It would take a lot to get used to, but I still love and appreciate being out and away from the city (camping etc. - in a tent not a house on wheels lol) listening to the birds and creeks nearby, I find it so beautiful and peaceful :)

        ~BLESSED~

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        gaser983 5 years ago

        Great lens, well done!

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        Echo Phoenix 5 years ago

        I have featured you on what used to be my group lens, Planet Earth: Our Garden of Eden, which I am working feverishly to update after a long sabbatical from the internet and consequently, Squidoo. I hope you visit me there soon:)

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        Pam Irie 5 years ago from Land of Aloha

        Nope, just more determined now. :)

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        WriterJanis2 5 years ago

        It sounds like a beautiful way to live.

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        EmergencyPrepar 5 years ago

        We bought 10 acres in the country in Ohio to do just this...we were young and had no idea about "laws". It ended up costing a lot of money to live in the "country". We were not allowed by code to live in anything less than 1200 sq ft. We had to have electricity and water. So much for our dream and got into debt. We learned our lesson. If we could do it all over again I'd find a place where you are ALLOWED to build and do what you want on your land. Now that we are older we are enjoying Florida life in a house we bought out of foreclosure. It's not off grid but it's paid for and was dirt cheap and not far from ocean. We are planting citrus trees so I can walk out and grab our own fruit. I rarely turn air on not to save money but we love the heat. We don't worry about using the heat in southwest FL so that worked out well. We could ride our bike (about 3 miles) to stores if we want to so we can be "green" that way. We still wouldn't mind having something off the grid maybe within 10-12 hours from here..maybe GA or South Carolina as our 2nd home and mostly for the kids as they get older they could go out there or even live there. Just thoughts.

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        NC Shepherd 5 years ago

        You sure didn't need to convince me! I've been dreaming of getting off the grid for years. If I'd stop going on all my adventures, maybe I could save up a down payment.

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        alex89 lm 5 years ago

        I already wanted to live off the grid when I read this, so my mind is not changed, I would love to do it!

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        Lori Green 5 years ago from Las Vegas

        Very interesting lens. The photos are beautiful

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        Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

        @RawBill1: Your time will come. Hold fast to your dreams. The great thing is you have time to plan. Often the anticipation is a very enjoyable part of the process. The neighbor who helps me with my solar power planned his off grid home and systems over the course of several years. Because he took this time to study and think things through very carefully, he has built things right. Everything works really well. This is what I wish for you, too.

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        Bill 5 years ago from Gold Coast, Australia

        I am still wanting to live off grid and to build my own sustainable house using natural building techniques. I have been dreaming of it for a few years now and will get there in the end eventually. The time is just not right now.

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        Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

        @KandDMarketing: Live the questions. That's the thing. I can tell you do. You are very right about curiosity and inquiry keeping us young. Thank you for your visit and such thoughtful comments. Appreciated!

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        Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

        @getmoreinfo: Thank you for being a repeat visitor and for sharing this site. Very much appreciated!

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        Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

        @burntchestnut: It's a shame, isn't it? When I lived in Chicago, the restrictions in my neighborhood association were very rigid. Glad to be a place now where I have true freedom. Thanks for sharing. You have added an important consideration to the mix here. Appreciated!

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        Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

        @LarryH54: The more you know the better. You are very right about that. All of the elements you mentioned are right on the mark. Thank you for adding value to this discussion. Very much appreciated!

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        KandDMarketing 5 years ago

        I've always got questions. It's one of the things that keeps me young. But as to off-grid living, I can say that most, if not all of them have been or are being answered.

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        LarryH54 5 years ago

        @KimGiancaterino: Yes that is why it is so important to obtain a land patent before building an off the grid home. Then you can tell those bureaucrats where they can stick their rules.

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        LarryH54 5 years ago

        I still think you need quite a bit of knowledge if you want to get off to a good start. Knowing the best places for you to move to, how to obtain land patents so that your hard work won't be wasted or stolen through eminent domain, which water, power, and food options are best for you, access to the outside society, etc are all things which you should look at and have SOME knowledge of if you expect to succeed in this endeavor.

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        burntchestnut 5 years ago

        I've been reading where many homeowners' associations won't allow solar panels. That might be a reason people have to move out to the country.

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        getmoreinfo 5 years ago

        I had to stop back by this lens and let you know that I agree with what your saying here, if more people new the truth of what it really means to live off the grid than maybe they would choose to do it too. I will be sharing this lens on my Facebook page, keep up the good work.

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        CorkFlooringTips 5 years ago

        Good lens really busts a few myths.

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        gesh1948 5 years ago

        Really well balanced lens with myth busting at its best. Keep it going

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        TriciaLymeMom 5 years ago

        great lens...it sounds wonderful. I would love to live that independent, healthy kind of life. :)

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        wheresthekarma 5 years ago

        Great lens, I just featured it on my "Favorite Lenses" lens.

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        getwellsoon 5 years ago

        I love your pictures in this lens, makes me want to visit! :)

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        lclchors 5 years ago

        Great lens

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        wadsworth lm 5 years ago

        Love it! The strongest bonds are those we do not even know restrain us. We do not need the grid, it is a choice.

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        Squidrocket 5 years ago

        Hi! Great lense about being off the grid - I just wanted to let you know about my lense https://hubpages.com/living/buyingledgrowlights

        LED lighting has proved to be a very good with solar powered batteries! As someone said below the cost is the prohibitive part but just wanted to say great lense and keep up the great writing!

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        Li-Li-ThePinkBookworm 5 years ago

        Terrific lens! I totally support living off grid, so this was a super helpful lens debunking all the junk people say in protest of leaving the city and living on one's own. I only got 81% on the quiz, but that was because I believe that you need a good deal of knowledge before just up and going out on your own. If you don't know what you are kind of doing, you may end up broke, homeless and hungry. But, a trip to the Library should answer any questions a person may ask.

        Li Li

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        Itaya Lightbourne 5 years ago from Topeka, KS

        You did an awesome job of answering my questions! Guess I didn't stop to think that there can be degrees of being off the grid. I think I like how you are living. It sounds like a wonderful balance. :)

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        Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

        @pcgamehardware: Appreciate your visit, comments, and generosity. Thank you! May you live the life of your dreams.

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        Renaissance Woman 5 years ago from Colorado

        @sheezie77: Well, you sure do know how to make me feel amazing. Many thanks!