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I'm so glad I'm not a man

Updated on September 23, 2011

I just had a chat with a bunch of girls that started off on the topic of weight loss. When one of them mentioned "most men are pervs", the others immediately agreed. In fact, I found myself the only one to disagree after which I was attacked as a traitor to my sex.

Conversations like this are very common - not just on the web but in every day life too not to mention the media. I only mention this particular one because it was the most recent - a few hours ago. If anything, this was a mild version compared with some I've seen. We're basically living in a kind of glorification of anything feminine. Check out my article on female supremacy for lots more on that topic.

I can't help but wondering how it must be like to go through life with everyone you meet having the first impression that you're a pervert, potential rapist or violent sociopath. Myself I only started wondering from my acquaintance with my dear love who seems to suffer from this more than most guys. Well if I was in such a situation, I would find myself over compensating by being extra nice and kind and to make sure my 'potential victims' don't get too scared. I'd try my absolute best not to show any sign of attraction or even DARE to touch them without a formal contract. I would stay far away from any form of body contact or remarks on a woman's looks.And that was exactly how my boyfriend was behaving when we started dating. Now, I love sensitive men and I like being the initiator so we clicked perfectly. Fortunately, there are a lot of men like that now days and its not surprising. The only problem is, that those men are nearly always rejected by women because they say they want a "real man". Don't ask me why cause I love the unreal men but I'm a freak.

So as a man you're either a pervert or you're a wimp. You can even be both but you're definitely going to be at least one of the two when you leave your home.

All men are useless


The other popular belief is that nobody needs men and that they're useless. It is soooo untrue and shamelessly childish to say or even think that. If this was true, then who's running the farms and power plants, the steal, coal and gold mines? Who built the houses we're sitting in right now? Who invented all of those things that we take for granted every minute of our lives? What about sewers for a really nice example? Still think men are useless with all that in mind? Perhaps you should reconsider. The truth is, and it took me a few years of growing up to admit, that without men, society wouldn't be better. There would be no society in the first place. We'd just live like wild animals - our only aim in life would be naked survival from one minute to the next and with no time for complaining about gender inequality.

Being a man in today's feminist society has got to be a living nightmare compared with what it's like for women. Honestly, most of us women have no idea how much easier it is for us on average (if you have doubts then you should become acquainted with the male suicide rate. Not a nice statistic at all). It's not surprising that men are becoming more feminine (which I like). Don't blame them for it when they're only trying to survive in a world that despises and punishes maleness.

With the increasing influence of women, this will not be feasible much longer. I wrote in my article on the matriarchy, how we will sooner or later not have a choice but to start caring about the male gender. With this more optimistic thought I'll leave the rant for today.

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      Kevin 4 years ago

      Good articleAdd Your Comment...

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Hi webwatcher,

      thanks for the feedback

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      webwatcher 4 years ago

      I am quite captivated when it comes to your personal post, and Now i honestly would like you to continue to keep blogging. Reg Zooka

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hey Lucy if you are interested I have two more articles on men's issues. Just a heads up though they have some pretty disturbing things from feminists in them.

      http://samowhamo.hubpages.com/hub/Radical-Feminism...

      http://samowhamo.hubpages.com/hub/Modern-Feminism-...

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hey Lucy would you like to read my new article.

      http://samowhamo.hubpages.com/hub/Feminism-And-Vic...

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      aldomar 4 years ago

      Lucy,

      Thank you for this. it is, indeed, difficult for us men to figure out how to be men in today's world. While women will give lip service to 'wanting a sensitive, kind man', those sensitive, kind men end up staying home on Friday night while the women go out with jocks and any other example of the kind of men they constantly berate. Fortunately, I met a lovely woman who not only talks the talk, but walks the walk. She says she likes me as I am, and since she has kept on coming home to me for the last twenty years I suppose she means it. It never ceases to amaze me just how creative people are at finding reasons to dislike each other. If it isn't gender, it's race or just what part of the country or even what side of town you come from. I suppose we will never grow up as a human race.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      It would seem that boys are being badly discriminated too. I just came accross this article about a woman who said she would just die if she gave birth to a boy here's a quote from her and a link.

      I know very little about boys, but what I have seen I really haven’t liked. Boys are gross; they attack their siblings with sticks, are obsessed with toilets, casually murder local wildlife and turn into disgusting teenage boys and then boring, selfish men.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2245681/...

      What is wrong with women like this how can she live with herself how can her husband live with her and this woman knows what she is saying is wrong.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      I think you should read this.

      http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/david-flynn-d...

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      We'll still have sexism though ;)

      Well lets hope not lets hope that humans actually learn something if they are still around. ;)

      Thank you :)

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      " You are also probably right that we wont be here in a hundred million years from now "

      Well I saw a documentary a while back that said, even if we don't go extinct, the humans millions of years in the future will be nothing like us. They'll be to us what we are to worms (or something like that they said).

      We'll still have sexism though ;)

      Thanks and you too have a Merry Christmas

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Thank you Lucy and sorry about the large number of comments I forgot about that.

      You are probably right that we cant tell for sure how dinosaurs raised their young there's not a lot we can tell about their behavior from their skeletons we are just going by what the fossil's show us. You are also probably right that we wont be here in a hundred million years from now nature has shown again and again no species lasts forever sooner or later every species goes extinct no matter how successful they may be that's just the law of Darwinism. Well thank you and have a Merry Christmas.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Hi Sam,

      Please put your thoughts into smaller numbers of comments or this page will end up looking like a monologue.

      “another commentor (saharaeve) said women got all of that on their own. I was just curious I did not mean anything offensive by it.”

      What makes you think you’ve offended me? I just didn’t understand the question.

      Now I understand it better. I thought about it a little and I really don’t have a straight answer. That probably means that I’ll end up thinking that neither sex was the sole agent in those events.

      I thought your article on sexism was very good. You certainly tried to be as neutral as possible. I’m not an expert on sexism so I’m no more an authority on it than you are. I just know that in my experience, articles tend to do best when I try to speak for or to a specific kind of person in a certain situation. Nobody wants to read general information on something anymore. The internet is full of that. People want to feel personally addressed and that the writer understands their situation. Given what you’ve told me so far about sexism and equality, I think you have strong experiences of your own with lots of emotions and stories to tell. Then you need an attention catching title.

      “do you think she was just kidding or serious.”

      Ask her.

      As for dinosaurs. They may have gone extinct but we have no business classifying them as unsuccessful because of that. They existed hundreds of times longer than we have so far. Somehow I doubt that we’ll still be around in a hundred million years. Also, I’m not an expert, but I doubt that anyone can say anything definitive about the way dinosaurs raised their offspring.

      On the topic of nature, the really interesting case I think is the sea horse where the male carries the eggs. There’s something to look into regarding behavior etc.

      “Darproxy commented and said not to believe a word you say he calls you a scammer”

      I knew somebody once by the name Darkproxy who came with some pretty vile sexism in his comments. That was years ago though. And I don’t remember the details. His less hateful comments are probably still floating around some of my hubs somewhere. No idea where but probably in articles like the “female supremacy” or “women in power” articles. Those seem to be magnets for maniacs.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      Now before I say this let me just say that I dont beliee him and I deleted his comment I just I should let you know in my article Sexism Towards Men Darproxy commented and said not to believe a word you say he calls you a scammer and says you dont accept the faults of women and feminists for sexism against men. I dont believe a word he said about you I have read most of your articles and many of your comments I what Darkproxy says is far from the truth. I consider you my best follower for all the advice and help you have given me and I will not tolerate him speaking badly of you.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      I have said in some of my previous comments that if I needed a eason to hate men it would be because of this or that. Well I will admit that there is one particulare group of men that I do hate called anti-sexuals. I hate them becauae 1 they are against sex considering it primitive and comparable to drugs and 2 because some are even against romantic love considering it to be an addiction to a person and that humans are slaves to it. They want to strip humans of some of the most basic things that make us human at times I almost think they have no humanity to them but thankfuly they are only a very small minority asexuals outnumber them.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      On a side note about the article I wrote (Sexism Towards Men) I got the definition of oppression, sexism, and discrimination from wikipedia. The reason I brought that up is because there are those feminists who dont agree with the wikipedia definitions some may even say it's androcentrism (the belief that men's point of view is always right or more important than women's) well I dont think there is anything wrong with the wikipedia definitions I agree that men's point of view is not always right but neither is women's I say the wikipedia definitions are right and after those examples I gave in my article (of sexism towards men) there is nothing any feminist can say or do that will convince me otherwise.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      That previous question that I asked about dinosaur extinction you dont have to answer that if you dont want too now that I think about it that was kind of a stupid question maybe I am just getting paranoid. I think I already know the answer I think she was just kiding because the extinction of the dinosaurs wiped out 95 percent of all life on Earth males in charge could not have done that. If you still want to answer that question you may but you dont have too maybe I am just getting paranoid.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      I just wanted to ask what you thought of my article Sexism Towards Men and my other articles I just want to know if I am doing good so far. Also something else I wanted to ask and this may seem like a silly question but do people ever talk about possible gender issues about animals because I was reading an article last night about how male dinosaurs may have made better parents than the females (not looking for things that bother me) and one of the commentors said Therefore we have a new theory on extinction. "Males in charge". I think she was probably just kidding but these days I kind of take things like that personally in case they might be serious. Lucy do you think she was just kidding or serious.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      That question that I asked if women have what they have because men gave it to them what I meant was women have it better these days in part because of men (you know more choices and oppotunities). The reason I asked is because I think one of the commentors on here somewhere said that and another commentor (saharaeve) said women got all of that on their own. I was just curious I did not mean anything offensive by it.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Hi Sam.

      About your question if women only have what they have because men gave it to them, I really don't understand the question. What exactly are we talking about?

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy I have written an article about how there can be and is sexism towards men and debunking the belief that there is not if you are interested. :)

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      I am not sure if this is accurate or not but I have heard from some men that women only have what they have now because men gave it to them. How accurate would you say that is one of the commentors on here (saharaeve) wrote something about it. I am just curious I dont know how accurate that is.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      What I find even more shocking than men who denigrate themselves are men who hate men. I never would have believed that a man could hate men and for a while a kind of lived in denial about that. In one of my previous comments I mentioned a website calld I hate men and one of the people on there happened to be a man I dont know if he was talking about all men or some men but I think it might have been some because he only mentioned men who abuse women. I dont care if you hate me who abuse women I dont like men like that either but dont judge all than you are no better than women who hate men.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      "Lucy what is your opinion of mens movements."

      I certainly think there are a lot of men's issues that need to be addressed but I don't know if men's movements can do that. On the other hand, nobody else is going to do it either. So I guess I'd support them.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      I read somewhere that some men who are part of mens movements do it because they feel guilty about womens oppression well why do those men need to feel guilty those men are not oppressors (that I know of). Lucy what is your opinion of mens movements.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      That one woman I mentioned in my previous comment I was reading another comment of hers about patriarchal religions and one of her commentors said this.

      I think the underlying course of perpuating partriachy lies with socialization we get from birth starting with agencies such as family,religion,school and state.therefore this must change inorder to achiev da gender equality.

      I am not really sure I understand what she means do you know.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      I dont know if you would be interested in this or not but there's this article I found on here that you might want to read (comments included).

      https://hubpages.com/relationships/Is-it-fair-to-s...

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      ". I am going to write articles about dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals first (I love dinosaurs) and articles about herpetology (the study of reptiles and amphibians) "

      That's great. Really fascinating topics. I'll try to read it all.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Thank you very much Lucy :). I am going to write articles about dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals first (I love dinosaurs) and articles about herpetology (the study of reptiles and amphibians) later on I might write some articles about mens isues. So far I have written 11 hubs and got 2 awards. Stop by if you are interested. :)

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      BereniceTeh90 4 years ago

      Welcome, Sam! I'll follow you as well =D

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Welcome to the hubpages club then Sam.

      Will be interesting to see what you have to write.

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      samowhamo 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy it is me Sam I just wanted to let you know that I have an account now and I am following you now. I have not written any articles yet but I will learn as I go along. I am going to write some articles about paleontology first (I love paleontology) and maybe later on write some articles about mens issues. Thank you Lucy. :)

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Hi Sam,

      that would be great if you could start your own blog. The captcha system is very common. I'm surprised you haven't come across it before. You just have to type what you see.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Thank you for the suggestion Lucy. I would like to start my own hubpage account but I can't figure out the captcha system and my dad can't figure it out either I need to find someone who knows how to do it. Well anyway I am sorry if I left to many comments if I have anymore I will try to post them in other articles or at least try to make them shorter.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Sam,

      about the transgender people who hate their own gender, you aren't wrong about that. Some are indeed motivated by that. I can't say how many, but I can say for sure that they exists. Some of them may very well be attracted to feminism even if only for the name alone.

      Sam if you have so much to say, then why don't you write your own articles? This comments section is starting to explode.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      I recently came across two articles in your article Women Who Like Men in Womens Cloths I read a little of the first one but not the second one. The first one is called Why are Men so Chauvinistic.

      Here is a quote from it.

      Why do men look at pictures of naked women all the time and think it's there god given right?and why is everything geared around what men want? Well I say what about us women!

      I recently watched a program on TV about legalizing brothels in the UK ,on the program they showed a bunny ranch in the U.S.,and I just happened to say to my husband,why don't they have brothels for women?why is it all about men? I was annoyed by his reply,which was more or less why would a woman need to go to a brothel? my response was why not? in fact I questioned why he thought a woman's needs were any different to a mans,in his opinion they were very different.

      The other article was called Are Western Women Still Oppressed Victims? That first woman who asked why are men so chauvinistic well my response to her would why are so many women these days (some not all) so chauvinistic. Western women still think they are victims they still think men hold all the power they still think men needs are always tended to. I read somewhere once that many Western Women have what is called a victimhood blame mentality where they think they are always the victims of something which makes them female chauvinists.

      Lucy what is your opinion.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      There are a couple of topics that I want to talk about I will talk about the second one in my next comment. Now I am not transphobic or anything like that but I sometimes get the feeling that some (not all) transgender people may hate there own gender. I read on the internet once there was this guy who said he either disliked or hated being a man and that he identified being a feminist. He didn't actually say he hated men in general but he does not feel comfortable being a man. As I said I am not transphobic and I don't think all transgender people are like that but I suspect some are what do you think.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      @ Lucy

      Then I guess that would include that women's culture thing that separatist feminists were talking about. There was this one separatist who said that women are getting into it more (whether she was talking about feminism or women's culture I don't know) but I kind of doubt that is true. They also say women already have a culture and it is beautiful well if there idea of beautiful is subjugating men and boys to misandry then I think there idea of beauty is horrible. Feminists are always whining and complaining how they are always accused of man hating well I say to them you cant deny what you are there attitudes about men and boys very clearly demonstrate that they hate men and boys. They always say things like I wish men would just stay in there sheds permenatly and leave us alone and I think I heard one feminist say that women (some or all) should leave there husbands because it is bad for feminist autonomy or something like that same with fatherland and there racist, specieist, fascist roots or something like that or whatever any of that is suppose to mean. And feminist wonder why people call them man haters HA I swear feminist are the biggest liars and hypocrites it has ever been my misfortune to come across well in the end they are just more bigots wearing the sheep's clothing of equality.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      On the homophobia question and battering, I really don't know. I do know for sure though that a "lesbian utopia" is a fantasy that has no chance in becoming real ever.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      "Lucy have you ever heard of a man here on hubpage who goes by the screen name wabound"

      Oh yes. I argued with him on one of his terrible articles. Waste of time. He's a lost cause blinded by his fantasy image of women.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      I would like your opinion on this. They say that the reason why lesbian couples sometimes batter and abuse each other is because of homophobia and lesbian women who beleive in a lesbian utopia also say homophobia might be the reason why a lesbian utopia cannot be established because we have all grown up in a homophobic society they say. Lucy what is your opinion on that please let me know.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Lucy have you ever heard of a man here on hubpage who goes by the screen name wabound he talks about how women should rule the world because it would be more peacful if they did and how women need to teach men how to love. I have never read any of his articles but I have seen his account. In my opinion I think this guy is kind of foolish the way that men like him and Dali Lama think that the world would automatically be more peacefull if the world were ruled by women. Women do violent and horrible things too and women are not always so loving and nurturing I have experienced female cruelty first hand by my mother. Lucy what is your opinion on what he says.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Lucy just out of curiosity why is it that not every comment I leave gets posted I have noticed that sometimes when I leave a comment it does not get posted. Thank you

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Honestly, most of us women have no idea how much easier it is for us on average.

      Some women say that women are still treated like second class citizens. I dont know if that is true or not if it is I really can not imagine how I mean it could be so much worse for women like how it was back in the 1930's or even older. I know that in some parts of the world women still have it pretty bad like in Islamic country's were women are still stoned to death (but so are children and sometimes men) and forced to cover themselves up but all we can do is keep working to make things better for those women we cannot expect perfection at once we have to work for it.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      The truth is, and it took me a few years of growing up to admit, that without men, society wouldn't be better. There would be no society in the first place. We'd just live like wild animals - our only aim in life would be naked survival from one minute to the next and with no time for complaining about gender inequality.

      Well feminists and misandrist's dont care about men or there problems they say things like (I am a misandrist and nothing will ever change my mind). Well if these women are that ignorant and that careless that is their fault and their problem but it does not bother me anymore because they are the ones with the problem not me.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      @ Lucy

      Yes I know and agree. But it is a problem caused by both men and women. In society we tend to think of things like this:

      If a man does something bad, he's evil.

      If a woman does something bad, it's because someone drove her to do it - usually a man.

      People just can't seem to want to assign the same responsibility to women as they do to men. That ultimately holds women back.

      @ Steven

      I'm a 19 year old male and I have felt like that all the time in my life. I'm always wondering if the girl im talking to is afraid of me thinking im a rapist or something. women constantly make me hate myself for being a guy. Saying things like "All men are the same", like my mom has, or "I hate all men", it really makes me want to just kill myself sometimes.

      Well at the end of the day women who hate men have nothing of substance for decent people. Women who hate men, say things like (the world would be a better place if men did not exist), say things like (if they (men) would all dissapear I would not shed a single tear), and want to exterminate men at the end of the day women like that are just more bigots and when they die no one is going to care because all that they left in the world was more hatred and ignorance.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      @ Jane

      As for women who say all men are alike, my come back is all women are alike in the fact they are so negative about everything.

      And women will get all ticked off when you call them things like that . They have no problems calling all or most men and boys perverts, all the same, jerks, and pigs and yet when a man calls them that they are like (I hate it when men say women are all the same MEN ARE ALL THE SAME THEY DONT KNOW A GOOD WOMAN WHEN THEY SEE ONE THEY ARE IDIOTS.) Well the way I see it if these women call men things like that they better be prepared to be called things like that back because what goes around comes around.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      Men must remain their scapegoat for everything - every failure in their lives and every disadvantage they think they have - whether it exists or not. It's pathetic.

      That reminds me of something that I heard about once I think about a year ago. I heard once that there was this teacher that got arrested because she was molesting this teenage boy and appearently he did not resist appearently he actually wanted more of it. One of the commentors said I think the socialization of boys is always trouble. Girls are sugar and spice. They are at least partly to blame for these attrocities.

      In my mind half of me is thinking how dare this woman (or man I am not sure which) blame it on the boy even if it is just partly but at the same time another half of me kind of has to agree with her (or him) because although he was a minor he was a teenager old enough to know that what she was doing with him was wrong. I just dont know what to think of this so I stopped thinking about it, it got to confusing.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Berenice

      Just a reminder that I meant no offense or anything like that toawards your feminist friend as I said in my previous comment I just wanted to make that clear and to make it clear that I just choose not to associate with feminists.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Berenice

      I am sorry that your feminist friend feels that way. No offense to your friend or anything but I simply just can not imagine myself being friends with feminists as I do not consider them friends I find them so offensive that to me they are enemies and that is all I will ever see them as (except for the ones that have been abused them I will offer some sympathy) I sometimes in my mind call feminists feminies (a combination of feminist and enemy). Feminists dont know the real truth even when it stares them in the face and the real truth is that men are being systematically discriminated and feminists are so blind they dont even know it. I sometimes think that feminists are cowards one because they dont have the courage to accept the fact that women are no better then men that women make the same mistakes and two because they completely ignore mens problems as if they dont exist and your right everytime a man does or says something like that it is sexist but appearently when a woman does it or says it, it is not sexist.

      As for men historically being the privillaged gender there are lots of men in history that were anything but privillaged. What about Black men (and women) in slavery or Greek and Roman male (and female) slaves those men (and women) were regarded as animals and lets not forget about the way Native American men (and women) have been treated only in a world this biased towards mens problems could you even think that those men were privillaged and keep a straight face about it. And besides from evidence that we have from the Celtic culture (which I happen to be partly decended from I am Irish on my mothers side) males were not privillaged if anything they were actually equal with women. From the evidence that we have it seems to suggest that men and women were equal the only reason we dont here about it so much is because most records of Celtic culture was destroyed and suppresed by the Romans.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Hi Berenice.

      I have wondered about martial arts but never actually went through with it. I'll take another look now.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      women are pressurized to look pretty. That much is true. And men are under other kinds of pressure (like having a high status job). If they're going to blame men for the pressure on women to look pretty, then they also have to blame women for the pressure on men to get careers (which then also explains the under representation of women in high positions). Of course they'll never do that. Men must remain their scapegoat for everything - every failure in their lives and every disadvantage they think they have - whether it exists or not. It's pathetic.

      I could not agree with you more Lucy. Women these days (some not all) like to think that every damn thing is mens fault even when a woman does something it is still mens fault. Women are always saying we dont need men well there is one thing that women will always need men for women will always need men so they can point there fingers at them and say there's the bad guy right there even when a woman does something so there is another reason why feminists (some not all) cant exterminate male humans because if they do then they will have no one to blame but themselves when something goes wrong.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      Do you personally think that heterosexuality is a right or a natural attraction. The reason why I ask this is because that comment I wrote about lesbianism being suppresed well the woman who theorized that said that heterosexuality is an emotional and sexual right that men need to be stripped of until feminism is no longer needed. Personally I dont think it is a right I think it is more a natural attraction just like any other sexual orientation because 1 men come from women too just like other women and 2 all humans including men are inheritently female they just need a change of chromosomes to make them male.

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      BereniceTeh90 4 years ago

      And that feminist friend in question of mine once asked me, "Chris (that's my real name), do you know any female-only Muay Thai (Thai boxing) clubs around? I'm thinking of starting Muay Thai."

      I had mixed feelings about this.

      1. I am extremely happy for people to embrace Thai Boxing, as it has given me joy words cannot explain. In other words, you might say I'm a Nak Muay (muay thai fanatic)

      2. BUT, wait. FEMALE ONLY muay thai club? See the irony in that? You do know that Muay Thai was at one point a "male only" sport, right? That was EXACTLY the kind of sexism that women were subjected in the past. But due to the advent of idealistic, fair-minded male martial arts masters who believed that women were in no way inferior to men, women were thus allowed to take part and learn, which is why it was due to these MEN, that women are now free to pursue things that were once off-limits to their gender. Isn't that like biting the hand that fed you, to ban men completely? (despite the fact that Thai Boxing was founded by a man.) It's just that some feminits seem to conveniently forget the good men have done, when it comes to pursuing their own agenda.

      Isn't it a tad hypocritical to treat men the same way women used to be treated in the bad old days? How is reversing the gender roles from "bullied" to "bully" going to make society any more "equal"?

      3. I told her i would look around and let her know if i found anything, but the truth is i would NOT recommend any club that was so blatantly sexist and hate-filled. How is that any morally different from banning say, a black person, or an asian person from joining? A true martial art society welcomes people on the basis of merit and sincerity. They don't care what color you are, what gender you are, or even what religion you are. A Muay Thai club that bans a certain subgroup of people for their color, gender or religious beliefs is NOT a reputable Muay thai club. The best instructors with integrity will not accept offers to teach in such shamefully discriminatory clubs.

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      BereniceTeh90 4 years ago

      LOL Lucy, this reminds me of my grandfather who is turning 87 in december. Now grandpa lived though the British Occupation of Malaya, so he's very traditionally English in the way he does things, and he speaks better English than most people a quarter his age. Anyhoo; he was telling me when i was a little boy something like, "Now remember - You must make allowance for women, and open doors for them as they are the weaker sex." (Grandpa was born in an era before the advent of political correctness)

      But see, here's the problem; we boys have been trained to overlook everything women do and say, that most guys are happy to forgive a woman for a transgression that would have resulted in a punch if it had been a guy doing it.

      Like take for example this highly offensive article:

      http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/5-things-men-are-no...

      If a guy had written a similar article, the feminist community would be up in arms! His page would be flooded with lots of angry, vicious comments. But if a woman does it, most guys have been taught to "take it in their stride", and just laugh it off. Because it is somehow "ungentlemanly" to attack a woman verbally. So we've been trained from a very young age to just turn the other cheek whenever a woman wrongs us, because "it's all part of being a gentleman" (according to my mum)

      Such articles are common on the media, and these women behave as if men are simply Ken Dolls who are supposed to dress according to their partners' whims. Kayne West received a SLEW of angry, hate-filled comments for controlling what Kim Kardiashan wears. But nobody bats an eyelid when the genders are reversed. (Like; a wife might "allow" her husband to wear women's clothing, so long as it is kept within the confines of the home.)

      Even i find this trait in myself sometimes. I know that GQ for instance is a sleazy men's magazine which puts half-naked women posing provocatively next to fully dressed men. For some reason, i take more offence at this (because it paints a bad picture of me as a man) than Ellen Degeneres putting half-naked men on one of the episodes of her show for the benefit of her female audience. The fact is that if she was a MAN, putting half-naked women on HIS talk show, he wouldn't be able to get away with it. People would be outraged, and there would be a ton of angry articles written against him. For some reason, the sexualization and degradation of my own gender doesn't offend me half as much as the sexualization and degradation of the female gender, but i suppose it's because i've been subconsciouosly conditioned since young to be that way.

      I duno Lucy; it seems that we men have been conditioned into making allowance for ALOT of the things women do. And it seems that many women want to have their cake and eat it e.g.

      http://style.uk.msn.com/socialvoices/blogpost.aspx...

      "it’s about our TRADITIONAL ROLES. As I said, please make yourselves look gorgeous, men, but don’t be the high maintenance one in the couple."

      Traditional roles? I take it she would like to go back to the 1950s, when women stayed in the kitchen, girls weren't allowed to play sport, and men saw their wives as Barbie Dolls? I highly doubt she would like that. Hence, that's what i mean by "having ya cake n eating it"; Enjoying all the benefits patriarchy has to offer (free meals, opened doors, being treated "like a lady"), while being free to wear anything she wants, be paid equally, and pursue whatever path she likes, "since we don't live in the bad old 50s anymore".

      But of course, when a man tries to speak up for himself and his freedoms (or lack thereof), BAM! You'll find the same kinds of women getting really defensive, eg. my feminist friend, who said "Men think the world is against them but the truth is men have historically been the privileged gender. Now men are all going "Oh but what about our rights"? when women have only gotten a little more equal to men."

      A statement like this can easily shut most decent men up, out of guilt and shame. Hence, the reason why men feel reluctant to stand up for their gender's emancipation. The fear of feminist backlash. I think deep down, some feminists do want to preserve hegemonic masculinity, while emancipating their own gender role, because as i've said; they can "have their cake and eat it".

      e.g. Be free to choose the path of trophy wife, yet at the same time have an equal say as her husband, and be allowed to boss him around and control his actions, dressing, etc (since a chivalrous man is supposed to jump thru hoops for the woman of his life and do everything within his power to make her happy), despite the fact that he earns all of the family income

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Thank you Lucy also there is something else that I thought. I have noticed that feminists always say that women should do this or women should do that or that women should devote there energies to other women or that women need to do what feminism says. Feminists say that feminism is about choices and oportunities and letting women do what they want and what makes women happy well how can that be true when they keep telling them what to do. Feminists need to stop being selfish and stop telling women what to do and let them do what they are happy with just because this or that works for them and makes them happy that dosent mean it works for other women.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      About your comment on men becoming more feminine and that being part of feminist reeducation:

      I think that feminists don't really want that to happen. They might think they want it but the consequences would be fatal for feminism in the long run. Currently, feminism is surviving on male chivalry, a classic masculine characteristic. For feminism to work the way it has been, it needs men to be firmly trapped in their classic gender role of the patriarchal provider and protector.

      If men started to break that role in a big way, feminism would loose its power base entirely.

      Those free men would rightfully ask themselves "wait a second, weren't we supposed to be equal?" when they encounter feminist misandry.

      So a man who liberates himself from gender roles and wears what he wants and acts as feminine as he wants, is actually working against feminism.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      @ Sam

      "Hi Lucy I have just recently heard from someone that hubpage is a scam. Now I am not reading to much into it I just want to be sure what do you think of these accusations of it being a scam."

      Nonsense. I've been here for years and there's been nothing fishy whatsoever. Sure, I find their policy on mature content pretty harsh but that isn't dishonest.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      @ Sam

      "The jumbled words "

      That must be a captcha system. That's just to test if you're a real human and not a computer program signing up millions of accounts automatically. You're supposed to read those letters and type them in the box. Sometimes they're hard to read, then you can usually refresh them to display another set of letters (there is sometimes a button that looks like a refresh symbol - one or two arrows going around in a circle).

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      You said in your article that men are becoming more feminine well that kind of reminds me of something that feminists talk about. They talk about how men need to be reeducated well if they are becoming more feminine then they kind of are or already have been reeducated. Some feminist talk about how men need to be more feminine (which is alright) because according to some feminists anything masculine is bad. Well anyway I just thought I would bring that up because it kind of reminds me of that. :)

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy I have just recently heard from someone that hubpage is a scam. Now I am not reading to much into it I just want to be sure what do you think of these accusations of it being a scam.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      The junbled words that I was talking about it's when you go into join now and go to the bottom of the screen and you have to type in two words but you have to type them in correctly. That is the part I have trouble with I have read the help button and I still can't figure it out. If you could help me with that part I would really appreciate it. Thank you Lucy. :)

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      @ Berenice,

      but if women's apparent preference for the female body is a result of being shy expressing desire for the male form, surely they'd be even more shy to express desire for the female form because of homophobia. I mean, sure lesbianism is far more accepted these days but surely it's not more accepted than heterosexuality.

      I think it really is a cultural thing and it also ties into most if not all other gender issues. The lack of mainstream objectification of men also devalues them in other areas. That puts men in the situation where they have to kind of earn their value. This creates a lot more pressure and leads to the gender disparity that we see in most professions. Sadly, even those men who do earn their value successfully often find themselves facing accusations of patriarchal advantages and discrimination favoring them. So for men there seems to be no way to "get it right", to have their value unconditionally earned and acknowledged socially.

      This is upsetting me too much now.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      @ Sam,

      about starting a hubpages account, I'm happy to help (and so will many others be - this is quite a friendly community). I'm not sure what "jubmled up words" you're talking about though. Perhaps you can paste them here and I can take a look.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      @ Sam,

      At the moment I don't often find the time for writing posts but I do plan on writing more.

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      BereniceTeh90 4 years ago

      Hey Lucy; i absolutely agree that there has been tremendous pressure on women to fit within the notions of hegemonic femininity (it was especially prevalent in the 1950s). Now I'm no feminist, but I do find it to be a strange coincidence that of all the "Women of the Year" GQ magazine places on their covers, not a single one of them has clothes on, yet all the men are fully clothed. Furthermore, in all these years since GQ came about in 1931, they could have placed anybody from Hilary Clinton to Ellen Degeneres, to Oprah Winfrey or Aung San Suukyi or Lady Ambiga (the woman who organized the latest Malaysian anti-government rallies), but that's never happened.

      I'd really like to see something abit fresh and novel in the men's media, to break the monotony of the endless 1950s gender stereotypes. (They even had an issue which was recommending a certain pre-packaged frozen dinner if the girlfriend/wife was out of town and you're home alone, hence they clearly have a stereotypical 1950s "pretty sexy woman in the kitchen" image, when it comes to gender roles, sorta like how Tony Abbott was saying "The housewives of Australia have to be aware when THEY do the ironing")

      It's almost as if these men cannot "like" women simply as "people", and can only enjoy their company when they have been visually tailored to meet their heterosexual male aesthetic desires. But then again i've always considered GQ to have a certain "bogan" (chav) vibe, for more reasons than one.

      I just came across this blog by this lady who was saying that most of the women (including her) she asked on whether they found the male or female form more "sexy", "sensual" and "aesthetically pleasing", would pick the female form, and she was also saying something on how women could never appreciate the male form in the same way men appreciate the female form due to cultural conditioning in modern Western society (women over-sexualized, men under-sexualized, hence no erotic pics of men), and how men's bodies just don't have any effect on straight women due to that.

      http://broadblogs.com/2011/01/10/women-seeing-wome...

      Some quotes from the blog include:

      "While in surveys women say they find men sexier, when they are wired up, their vaginas say something else. I’m sure this is cultural and not biological."

      "While I would call the female body more erotic, I’ve never wanted to have sex with a woman."

      "... If I’m secretly lesbian because I’ve been bombarded with sexualized images of women that make me see sexually-dressed or posed women as sex objects (who I don’t want to have sex with) then pretty much all women are. All women in the study I cite were more aroused by a nude woman than a nude man. That doesn’t make sense biologically. Biologically most women are hetero. Seeing woman as sexier only makes sense in terms of socialization that comes on top of biological preferences."

      (To a woman who said she could appreciate the male form erotically and aesthetically in the same way as men appreciate the female form):

      "But strong patterns do arise among humans of similar cultures, and according to research you’re quite unusual. Sounds like you’re even unusual among your friends and acquaintances.

      That’s neither good nor bad, but you’re an outlier, and you shouldn’t be accusing others of being crazy for living in a culture that teaches them that women are the sexy half of the species."

      It's extremely depressing for men to hear such quotes from an apprantly heterosexual woman; I'm almost afraid of hearing how she would explain gay male sexuality.

      But she also says that most women don't fit the narrow ideal of Anglo-Saxon culture (e.g. those nude GQ models), so really; most average women feel no more "sexy" than the average man feels.

      (But in recent years there have been plus-sized campaigns for women, and some very beautiful women of diverse shapes and sizes have made headlines, e.g. Crystal Renn, Lizzie Miller, so i'm not sure that theory is still valid. Although no one ever tells boys that they are "pretty", and hardly anyone tells men that their bodies are "beautiful", in the same way as women's)

      I did however find a post by the Australian journalist Clementine Ford, called Why naked men don't sell http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opin... , and Ford seems to have a different approach to this author. Rather than just dismiss women's desire for the male form as non-existant, Ford says that it's there; women love and are as enchanted by the male form as much as men are by the female form, but are just too shy to admit it, for fear of being thought of as "sluts". (That's basically the gist of her article)

      I rather like Miss Ford's take on it better; i felt really depressed after i read Broadblogs' post last year, but when my mum showed me Ms Ford's article the other day, my mood lightened up alot. To me, Ms Ford seems alot more honest, and comfortable with her sexuality than Broadblogs is. I think Broadblogs is still in a way, trying to discover her own sexuality, and may perhaps be bisexual with a stronger attraction for women. (That's just my opinion dont quote me on that haha) Men's bodies ARE as beautiful and as enchanting as women's, and i won't live in doubt any more.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy

      This may not be the right place to ask but I need a little help. I am trying to start my own account on the hubpages but I am having a little trouble. I got the username, email, and password but I cant figure out that last part with those jumbled up words. I took it to my dad but he cant figure it out either and I was wondering if you could help me if you cant I understand thank you anyway. :)

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Thank you for the advice Lucy and Berenice. Even now I am not entirely sure why I kept visiting those sites (but I honestly have stopped visiting them) but that does not matter now what matters is that I move on and live my life as long as I am not hurting anyone or anything. I will still have memories and thoughts of these things but I have to remember that they are just memories and thoughts they cant hurt me. Maybe I have just forgoten two of my most important philosophys just because someone says this or thinks that, that does not make it true and everything is opinion until proven otherwise. I need to stop worrying about what these feminists and man haters say and worry about things that are more importance to me personally. My cousin recently died at the age of 30 and my grandfather only has six months left so I need to focus on him. Thank you for the advice maybe I will drop by again a little closer to halloween.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Hi Lucy I dont know if this is the right place to ask this or not but do you plan on doing anymore hubs.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      @ Berenice,

      women are pressurized to look pretty. That much is true. And men are under other kinds of pressure (like having a high status job). If they're going to blame men for the pressure on women to look pretty, then they also have to blame women for the pressure on men to get careers (which then also explains the under representation of women in high positions). Of course they'll never do that. Men must remain their scapegoat for everything - every failure in their lives and every disadvantage they think they have - whether it exists or not. It's pathetic.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Sam you didn't cause trouble and don't need to apologize.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      ""Why allow yourself to be so emotionally affected by people who do so little for you?"

      That's really good.

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      BereniceTeh90 4 years ago

      My mum once had a female lecturer at uni who didn't let the girls wear pants into class. If any girl wore pants into her class, they would be given a sound piece of her mind about personal decorum. But she was from the Downton Abbey generation, so it's totally understandable.

      If she were a man, I don't think she would have gotten away with it. I read a post on Jezebel the feminist website about how women who dress in skirts and dresses are favored more by their employers and given higher pay, due to the fact that they are catering to the heterosexual male gaze. This skirt issue is filled with a slew of online comments which had tons of man-bashing ranging from "Women are pressured to wear uncomfortable sexualized clothing like pantyhose and forced to display their legs and secondary sexual characteristics through tight skirts", "Men are intimidated by a smart woman in a pant suit, which is why they want to keep women in skirts to keep them at their current status as eye candy for sleazy male employees", "Women are still judged by their appearance and men are not", and other less than savoury things. As a man, I feel a bit defensive when my gender is stereotyped like that because honestly, I don't care if my partner chooses not to wear skirts or dresses or heels, and opts for comfier, fitted tailored pants. Men are assumed to be vile wicked creatures who see women as pornographic objects, guilty until proven innocent. But i can assure you, MOST men from the Downton Abbey generation would have said that women should wear skirts, men should wear pants. It's how they were brought up, and it's not always about sexual objectification. Even our grandmothers would probably agree. Does that mean that our grandmothers are "sexually objectifying" women by forcing them to "perform for the patriarchy"? It's not right to force women into skirts, but i hate it when people point fingers at "lecherous men who see women as nothing but sex objects". If it were a traditional woman like my mum's lecturer, would she be bashed so vehemently, as compared to a traditional, old-fashioned man?

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      Sam 4 years ago

      I am going to stop commenting for a while and take a break but I will drop in from time to time and maybe leave a comment if I feel I need to I think for now I have left all the comments I need to leave. Thank you for listening Lucy and I apologise I have have overwhelmed you with too many comments or given you a hard time with them.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      I know and I take full responsibility for visiting those sites because that would be the mature thing to do but as I said that was months ago everything I am telling you know our just bad memories. That site where I had my worst experience I was so shakin up by it that I dont even remember where that site was or what I might have been looking up when I found it I blocked out about half of it fom my mind afterwards. My aunt, uncle and dad says I am wasting my intelligence on these idiots and that I am smarter then that and besides some of these things I am telling you about I came accross by doing nothing more then going on youtube or watching a movie or a show or looking up things on the internet that I actually enjoy. I am not asking for sympathy or pity in these comments I am just typing them because it helps me to talk about them and know what other people say. Well anyway thank you Lucy and I am sorry if I have caused you any trouble or given you a hard time I didnt mean to if I did.

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      BereniceTeh90 4 years ago

      James, I hear you brother! Have you seen The Immortals with Henry Cavill or Alexander with Colin Farrell?

      There was a time in Ancient Greece and Rome, when the male body was spoken of in very.. "Sensual" terms. The male body was seen not only as very beautiful, very strong, but also very SEXY. Imagine what our Greco-Roman friends of eras past would say to hear people describing the male body as "junk", and to hear some women say that the male body just "isn't sexy", that the male body "doesn't excite women in the way women's bodies excite men".

      Back then, it was assumed that the male form was more "beautiful" than the female form, due to the fact that these societies were gay male patriarchies (many of the people in charge were homosexual, and there was no shame in homosexuality prior to the advent of Christianity)

      Of course until recently, modern Western society has been largely a straight male patriarchy, the media and so on influenced by the "straight male gaze". Ever seen a 1950s Marilyn Monroe movie? Or visited a Geisha house? Yeap; the notion in such media is that only the female form can be "sexy", and that while women are to be looked at, men are the ones who naturally do the looking.

      (In ancient Greco-Roman societies, it was the other way round!)

      SO today, Western men are suffering the same thing that Ancient Greek women suffered - The feeling of their bodies never being "desired", so to speak. One of the Olympics male volleyball players was saying that he didn't really want to play in Speedos, because he felt that "women could never see the male body in the same way. It's just less beautiful". And then he got bombarded by online feminists of how this was an example of "male privilege", on how he "never experienced what it's like to be objectified", etc. But can you blame him? Since childhood he as a man has been bombarded with cultural messages and acceptable dress norms (like in a formal Western event women can wear classy plunging necklines and sleeveless gowns while men would likely be criticized heavily for not wearing a tie and showing abit of chest), which give his impressionable young mind the impression that the male form is less "sexy" and less "beautiful" than the female body.

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      BereniceTeh90 4 years ago

      Lucy's right Sam; you're only hurting yourself by heading to these websites. I'm not a fan of mainstream "boy media" like Askmen.com and GQ, because I find many of their columnists and editors extremely priggish, sexist and elitist, but nowadays i'm finding that if i ignore the haters, and wear and do what i love, they have no more power over me than the sticks or stones.

      Now; people are too afraid to criticize these people (like the fanatical lesbian feminist in question), because of the fear that they might be construed as "homophobic", for criticizing people like that. (PC gone mad)

      But it has nothing to do with homophobia. It has to do with calling out a hateful bigot, who hates men in the same way the Nazis hate Jews. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that a gay dude were to say the same thing about women, that they are "ugly", and that men are better in so many ways, and that men are more "beautiful" than women? (There ARE lesbian women who actually say things like "the male body isn't "sexy"", and that "women are more beautiful than men", "women don't get excited over the male body, "the male body is less aesthetically pleasing than women's, which is why nobody wants to see it") I've seen all of that rubbish sometimes spewed out by people from the LGBT community. Should we be afraid to speak out against people who spew this hurtful, damaging rubbish out of their mouths, solely by virtue of their sexuality? No, absolutely not! Moronic bigots come in all shapes and sizes and skin colors and sexual preferences. Just because a person is from a minority doesn't mean they can't be an absolute a$$hat. I know Asians who are absolute douchebags, just as there are whites and black people who are absolute douchebags.

      (I should probably make it clear that some of my best friends are gay men! haha)

      So back to you.. As for you, Sam; i suggest you ignore people like these in the same way i ignore the guys from the mainstream male media. There's a contemporary saying that goes, "Why allow yourself to be so emotionally affected by people who do so little for you?" I think it's a profound saying that everybody should learn.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      @ Sam

      "Lucy what do you say about women like this."

      I say that if your worst experience with misandry was visiting a fanatic website, then you're not doing too badly. You can choose whether or not you get exposed to such misandry. My main concern goes to those who get exposed to it and never had a choice in the matter. In particular boys who have to listen to it in school for example.

      I told you before, that you can find fanatic hateful bigots in every kind of ideology. Even if the world was totally non misandric you'd still find such websites. It means nothing whatsoever. You're just hurting yourself by going back and giving them attention. So unless you enjoy hurting yourself I suggest you ignore them.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      "So did you get that one comment where I asked do you think men get away with everything because I am curious about what you think of that and the woman I mentioned in it."

      Anyone who says men get away with everything is either a deluded fanatic or a liar. Just glance at the US prison population should be enough. There is a stronger case to be made that women get away with more than men.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      "that same woman said if men dont want to help in feminism it is because they dont want to"

      Obviously they don't want to do something because they don't want to.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Hi James,

      thanks for such a fascinating piece of information.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      I am about to describe the worst experience that I have had with misandry (Sorry is I am putting to many comments Lucy but I have to get this out I have kept this in for months).

      There was a site that was debating who is supperior male or female it said males were destroyers and females were creators (males can create to). One of the commentors said females are because females are the creative ones and the ones with that have had more concern for the well being of the human race. (She means creative as in artistic but men done artistic things to and there are a lot of men out there that have concern for the human race such as humanitarians and even if only a few men do it is a lot better then none at all not every man kills or makes weapons and such things.) She then says that men have turned forests into wastelands and polluted water. (Women have dont things like that to and not every man has done that there are a lot of men out there who work to protect those things such as environmentalists.) She says men are only capable of filth, and abuse, and stupidity. She then says man is indeed a unique mutation a hybrid in between apes and true humans. She says men are ugly because they have square heads, they fart to much, there bodys are to hairy, and there genitals hang like rotten fruit she then says anyone who finds beauty in these creatures must be blind or brainwashed by our unhealthy society (ok I know that is not true I looked up the definition of both blind and brainwashed and neither one applies to what she said blind is when you dont understand something and brainwashing applies mostly to political and religious ideology). She then says hopefully with advancement in gene therapys and nanotechnology we can bring women over towards the womans side (she means make them more lesbian) so we can help each other out (help each other out with what). She even says men are a waste of social energy there Y chromosomes are stupid and that men have had it too good for too long and that they have been put on a pedastal and worshiped (ok men have not it that good) she then says what have they done to earn the love of 99% of the human population (because not every man is like or has done what she is saying she needs to think of men as individuals because men are not groups). And in the ens she said I am dead serious about the elimination of the human male from this planet like the dinosaurs before them it seems they are doomed to the dustbin of history maybe back when humans were more primitive men were needed but that times is coming to an end and rightly so. And she said this was true (ok how can any of this be true and just because it is true to her that dosent mean it is true in real life I know for a fact that this is not true not for all men (certainly not for the kind of men like your boyfriend Lucy).

      This scared me and hurt me so much that for the rest of the night I read this and most of the next day my heart felt like it was about to beat out of my chest. I practically cried myself to sleep I was so frightened and hurt. I have never felt so helpless or scared in all my life. Lucy what do you say about women like this.

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      Charles James 4 years ago from Between New York and London

      Perhaps pointless, but are people aware up until the LATE 17th century male fashion included corsets, leggings, hairpieces {wigs}, even make-up, parfum, etc. In Colonial America this was very evident. But, as the Puritan progression grew from hard labor of the common people, the fashion died out and was replaced by wool pants and heavy shirts for men. The fashion was generally reserved for the elite or upper-class, true. Thus it became a social mandate that men look like hard, chiseled laborers. The Puritans believed fashion was not for the working man. It eventually became standard attire: the work boots, flannel shirt concept, from where stereo-types of male bravado developed. Part of this made logical sense as men working farms or the cold Eastern weather as well as the Hot Mid to Far Western coast weather, was not very well suited -pardon the pun- for European fashion.

      You might also find it fascinating that men wore dresses/tunics for thousands of years, shaved body hair, used bathing oils, salts, etc. This made men feel sexier. Today's society does not accept nor promote male sexiness, it promotes the female perspective of the male -or better said- the underwear sporting, muscular, Brut man. Women therefore dictate male sexiness in every respect. Men accept this, socially, as to continue attracting females. They have essentially been cattle-driven into a stereotype of conformity and are frowned upon expressing their sexuality.

      Apart from this, as I believe mentioned earlier, men are both male and female. If we accept the Adamic concept, then Adam was both male-female otherwise known as Androgynous. So, to those who have strong religious application, it would be a good idea to inform the fundies.

      James.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      So did you get that one comment where I asked do you think men get away with everything because I am curious about what you think of that and the woman I mentioned in it. If you need me to write it again I can just let me know. Thank you Lucy. :)

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      Sam 4 years ago

      Whenever people claim to know what others have internalized, they're usually speaking for themselves.

      Does that include people who think they know what others are thinking or there intent because that same woman said if men dont want to help in feminism it is because they dont want to.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Sam. I appreciate your comments but can you please try to gather your thoughts and then comment. Currently the comment section looks like a monologue and that will put others off from joining in.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Sex segregation is generally bad for two reasons:

      1 - it's nearly always applied for the exclusive benefit of one gender.

      2 - Anyone who doesn't identify clearly as one gender is screwed.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      You're right Sam. There's no excuse for wanting to hurt others no matter what justifications they concoct in their minds.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      "There was a feminists who once said internalized hatred of women is in all of us. That dosent seem to make a whole lot of sense. Lucy what do you think of that."

      Whenever people claim to know what others have internalized, they're usually speaking for themselves.

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      Lucy83 4 years ago

      Hi Sam,

      That's a great compliment that you actually considered trying on women's clothes because of my writing. Thanks :)

      Do you think crossdressing is a step up from getting a sex change? That's what it sounds like in your comment but I can't believe that.

      I don't know how old you are but at some stage in life you will decide for yourself what you want to wear.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      There was another lesbian feminist who went by the screen name (Amazon Mancrusher) now this was her personal point of view but she said that she beleived that androgeny gave lesbian women or at least her the hope that men would just dissapear and that we would live in a gender neutral society. Then she said and I quote then I learned the harsh reality that men dont dissapear and that it creates male centreredness because she thought only male genitalia is left and that androgeny is bad for women and dosent make things better for non heterosexual women. She happens to be the host of what she calls the SCUM conference which is related to SCUM Manifesto but I dont know exactly what they do on there I was to scared to look further.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      There was another lesbian feminist who wrote a science fiction story about aliens who come to earth to mate with human women and wont let them breed with there own kind so the men are left sterile and the children are born with tentacles. I am not sure but the aliens are supposedly a metaphor for men (some or all) and the women are either all or lesbian (but most likely lesbian). I dont know if the sterile men are a metaphor or if the babies with tentacles are a metaphor but I got to tell you that this kind of offends me because it makes men out to be non human. Wheather or not it is talking about some or all I dont know it is somethimes hard to tell when feminists are talking all men or some men. There are times when I dont think I have enough things about feminists to complain about as I have a year and three months worth of feminist bigotry towards men in my head.

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      Sam 4 years ago

      There was another separatist feminist who said that women are being harvested for eggs. OK I dont know what she means by that or wheather or not that is true but seriously these separatist feminists should not be allowed to walk around freely they should put in stright jackets is what they should be put in because these women are psycho's.

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      Sam 5 years ago

      Some of these separatist feminists even say that women are fed mysogynist lies everyday and even in certain fields of science. Personally I think these women are reading to much into it but I am not an expert. Lucy what do you think.

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      Sam 5 years ago

      What I am concerned about is if separatist feminism gets more support and credibility what then could misandry increase could men's problem's become more ignored. Lucy what would you do as a woman.

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      Sam 5 years ago

      They say you should never second guess any woman because there is no telling how many of them are putting on a haapy face but are being abused in secret. Well that is possible but you cant know for sure unless there is undebatable evidence.

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      Sam 5 years ago

      These separatist feminists I really feel sorry for there children. Some of these women have children what kind of example are they setting for them. Well anyway I am pretty sure that women who said women need to take the natural world back for themselves I am pretty sure she meant a matriarchy because she said that in response to another feminists article about women's culture which they accosiate with matriarchy.

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      Sam 5 years ago

      In one of my comments I said there was a feminist who said women need to take the natural world back for themselves. Well I think that might have something to do with that women's culture thing I mentioned in a previous comment another feminist said that we need to pull masculine culture out from it's roots men are not fit to lead it just isnt in them but I beleive they can learn from us (from women's culture). So my guess is that what they mean by take the natural world back for themselves is by overthrowing masculine culture (patriarchy) and replace it with women's culture (matriarchy). Lucy what do you think.

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      Sam 5 years ago

      There were five separatist feminists who said that patriarchy is responsible for womens mistakes (what the hell) how is patriarchy responsible for your bone headed choices you punk. And the other said that respect for men is unfortunate because it is undeserved (oh yeah and like you feminists do deserve it) what about men as individuals for god sake how is it that just because some men screw up that means all or most men dont deserve respect the third said that women (all or some I am not sure were brainwashed) brainwashed for or with what if you have an answer to that please tell me the fourth said something like if you do this or you do that they (men some or all I am not sure) are nice to you (ok what the hell are you talking about and why are you generalising again) and the fith one said something like women are often used (as a topic) for some kind of conversation they might offensive (in men's sheds) again please stop making generalisations about men. I swear it is good that I cant say profanities on here because if I could I would really bad mouth feminists. I keep saying some or all because it is hard for me to tell if they are talking about all or some and as I said before talking about this helps me feel better.

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      Sam 5 years ago

      In the beggining of your article you said conversations like this are very common you have no idea how right you are Lucy. These days it seems like you cant go anywhere or do anything without without hearing or seeing male bashing. Just today on youtube I was listening to a song (Girls Just Wanna Have Fun I really like that song by the way) and one of the commentors said I wish there were more guys that didn't shatter us girls into nothing. I dont deliberately go looking for these things anymore as I said but even then I cant get away from it, it is everywhere. Here we have another idiot making stupid generalisations about men. Lucy what do you think of that.

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      Sam 5 years ago

      appearently there is a bit of a problem in Japan. They have made sex segregated train cars for men and women but mostly women because there are a lot of groopings in train cars and for men because some women falsely accuse men of grooping them for money. I understand that the men who do that are disgusting and annoying and the women who do that are gold diggers but isnt that sex segregation and a form a discrimination.