Is there any chance it is? Should those with gender issues seek professional help? Why would we embrace it, rather than help the person overcome it?
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Aime.......Ouch! Touche! You're on your toes!
I'm in a mood today ;)
Sometimes "moods" get us moving! It's like needing to get angry in order to accomplish anything worthwhile, I guess. We're all entitled! LOL
Aime That might be a mental illness if that is all there is to it. The real mental(&spiritual)illness is believing we evolved from random chemical reactions over millions of years&won't be judged for our sins by our Creator.
Or that the universe created itself. Nothing can be created by nothing.
Aime you may think your snarky quips rejectingGod&making fun of believers are cute but they confirm what the Bible says(thousands of years ago)about people who reject God.The day will come when you seriously regret the path you've chosen.
Wasn't my intent to make fun of anyone, just playing tit for tat when it comes to calling someone's entire lifestyle and identity a mental illness
Wasn't my intent to focus on your "tit for tat" but your eternal soul. Of course you would shift the focus to the frivolous from the serious denial of reality you have chosen. One day you will know just how serious it is.
What I don't understand is why this isn't a no-brainer for people. Aime, really think about this. I wasn't posting this because I wanted to go tit for tat.
I guess I don't think accusing people of mental illness is "frivolous" so we definitely have different ideas of what's important here.
Lolita, what's your background in psychology? You must have the best one if this is a no-brainer for you.
You can read many articles by real psychologists about why transgenderism is a mental illness. I think it is more important to get someone on the right path, rather than leave them lost.
You can also read articles by real doctors saying that vaccines cause autism and you can read articles by real scientists who think the earth is flat. Does that make those claims true?
Well...being that we've been in space and seen pictures of the earth, I'd say no. And it may be proven that vaccines cause Autism. But it is not normal to think you're a man when you are a woman!
Not normal =/= mentally ill
Aime you can read or find anything that you wish today, that doesn't mean the truth isn't right there.The thing is you form your opinion then look for anything that supports it and your default if it doesn't is to trivialize the facts e.g.
"accusing people of mental illness". Your conclusions are obviously not based on the facts. Reasoned people study, separate the wheat from the chaff and then form their opinion from the facts, not from emotions or whims in their head.
Tsad-that's exactly what I think you guys are doing here.
My conclusions are most definitely based on facts. Gender Identity Disorder was removed from the DSM years ago.
What you just said isn't true.It wasn't, the diagnostic term“Gender Identity Disorder”was replaced with the term“Gender Dysphoria"Still a mental illness.This is what you do,twistorlie about facts to fit your opinion,that's mental illness.
Yes, but with the new term the APA specifies that the person must experience *emotional distress* related to the gender incongruence. That is where the disorder occurs, not with the incongruence itself.
The liberal leftists changed it because they want everyone to accept it as normal.
So why did you lie and say "Gender Identity Disorder was removed from the DSM years ago" when the illness wasn't removed at all, just the name changed actually a result of PC. You are trying to weasel justification for your wrong opinions.
Sigh. I didn't lie. They are two different definitions.
Lolita, the "liberal leftists" don't have the power to change anything in the DSM. Challenge the APA if you think you know better. Let me know how that goes.
A, please wake up! Leftists have been pushing their agenda for years.
Psychologists/psychiatrists who work with transgendered people advocated for the change. You don't think professionals who work with them might have the best idea about their mental state? They're all just leftists pushing an agenda?
I don't think ALL of them are. The ones who are are leftists, yes. The others may not be talking too loud because they'll get run out of business, being demonized. It's called bullying, and that is what is going on with trans and gay issues.
Those silly gay and transgendered people bullying others into not judging their mental health! Wouldn't want to make strides towards actually understanding people who are different...no siree.
Just the fact the only way you can get approved for surgery is to prove that you aren't suffering from delusions&are infact stable demonstrates that Gender Dysphoria can be a result of those mental illnesses&surgery results aren't good
A longterm study found substantially higher rates of overall mortality,death from cardiovascular disease&suicide,suicide attempts,&psychiatric hospitalizations in sex-reassigned individuals compared to a healthy control population.
But how much of that has to do with public reception of transgendered individuals? Groups that are commonly discriminated against usually have higher instances of suicide, mental health problems, etc.
That's not the point,why do you always want to blame others for the symptoms of a condition?"Sex change is biologically impossible&people who promote sexreassignmntsurgery are collaborating with&promoting a mental disorder"see Dr. McHugh .
What was that you said earlier about being able to find anything to validate an already formed opinion on something...?
Yeah, that's what you do.I suppose you feel you're more educated&experienced about trans gendered people than the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital&its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry.What a quack!
I've cited other reasons also which demonstrates I've looked at the evidence then drawn my own opinion.Much of the reluctance to identify it as a mental illness is due to the left which has tried to make it into a civil rights issue.
It's not just my opinion that doesn't align with his, I've been quoting and referring to the flippin' APA
But I don't see this discussion going anywhere if you think "the left" is behind everything & won't consider that the change is well founde
I didn't say the left is behind everything,see how u mischaracterize what I say then make it your premise - that's dishonest.I said "the left ... has tried to make it into a civil rights issue" and whether you know it or not that is fact.
Has anyone ever told you that having a conversation with you is absolutely exhausting? I'm not sure if that's a compliment or a slight so don't ask me to clarify.
Well then why don't we give it a rest. I have to respect you for hanging in there, most would have disappeared long ago. :-)
Gays and Lesbians call it sexual orientation, but there hasn't been any real reason for it. Even SC dn give an answer. So, Transgender creates the other gender, which results in sex with the original gender. Same sex or not? m-f sex with m=m?
Gee, thanks Brad. Like I'm not confused enough already?
That wasn't my intention.
Of course I know that......I was simply joking....Sorry, it's hard to tell online if someone is serious or not. Rule of thumb: 90% of the time, I go for less than SERIOUS. Some of us have a REAL life that's serious enough!
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Tamara...I don't know how anyone can find argument in your comment.
I know you all did a ton of research to come up with your opinion. But I think you missed a chapter. Did you know you have the same odds of being born with red hair of being born with ambigous gender? You should read: Where does God want me to pee