Pope Benedict steadfastly maintained that gay marriage is an "assault" on family values and denigrates the "true" purpose of marriage which is to be between male and female with the purpose of creating families. The pope further assert that gay marriage is "destroying" family values. Let think about this for one moment and discuss this.
Thought about it.
Nothing else to think about it.
The Pope is correct in this instance.
BS. Shows like The Bachelor have done more of that than gay marriage ever will.
Both types of sin may be sin, and while I'm not condoning the perversity that often goes on on shows like The Bachelor or other similar shows (I'm assuming you mean the pretend purity covering sexual activities??)........... one type of sin is definitely unnatural and harder to extricate oneself from, by most accounts. And that is the saddest part of it------if people keep telling someone that they have no sin, or that it's no worse than any other sin (even if it isn't any worse!) then no one will be able to find a way out of that sin.
problem. Being gay is not unnatural, since the definition of natural is "within nature" and homosexual behaviors - even monogamous homosexual relationships are prevalent in nature. Sorry.
Do I have to add "human" to that in order for you to understand the difference?
...one type of sin is definitely unnatural in humans......."
Please remember that humans are different from animals.
Not really. human beings are animals. They are mammals. And its clearly not unnatural to human beings either, despite what your religion teaches you to the contrary
We are different to animals only in that we have the capability to think, and to hate.
Descartes speaks of humans having a mind, and animals not. If you are a person of God, and believe that God created each and everyone of us - animal and human - then those animals who display homosexual characteristics (such as a pair of life mated male pengiuns- who now have an adopted chick), those characteristics were instrinicly given by God.
Just like mine, and just like yours - just ours differ is all.
If you are of the mind that God created one and all - you cannot say he did not create Gays, when they are prevelent in ALL that is around us.
ANyway - I know my God loves me just the way I am, as long as I treat people with respect, and as I wish to be treated.
So you "believe," Brenda. Just come down to earth. Come down off your pedestal, and face the real world. There is no "god" up there. You are living in fairy land, or maybe on "cloud 9."
We are animal, through and through. The only difference is that we have brains with which to drum up all manner of fanciful ideas in order to support our desire for control of others. This is at the base of your christianity. It is not "love," although that is also part of your fantasy, helping you to feel better about yourself.
The brain can also lead us into good, sensible, caring roles, when we use our intelligence.
When you are dead, you are dead. There is nothing for you beyond that. With this fact, you can stop worrying about it. Just get on with the life you have now, live it to the full, but allow others to do the same. Butt out of the interference.
And now I've finally collected the concrete evidence I need to prove that you're a terrible human being!
The world is suffering under the weight of over-population - why else do we have famines, poverty, drought etc. (I can hear the "drought???" - lack of trees, due to over-population, nothing converting CO/CO2 back into water/oxygen etc...no rain). Yet, we still drone on about "marriage is for procreation".
What does he suggest about infertile CATHOLIC couples? Are they destroying family values because they cannot have one? Or those who wish to wait until later - but I'm sure are still having sex (within marriage even), without procreation.
How does my marriage to my wife affect anything in the world? I'm not telling you how to raise your children, or what values to teach them. In fact, I'm sure we will teach our children the same values - respect your elders, respect one another, etc. I'm also not stopping you from procreating, NOR is my sexuality going to stop me - I just need a little hand with it!.
The sky will not fall, the world will not end, nor will anyone's straight marriage. What will it do in the grand scheme of things, for anyone who isn't gay? NOTHING!
I still find it disturbing that millions of Catholics are appalled at the holocaust, but are willing to over look the fact that your Pope is an ex-Nazi youth.
Some people prefer to live in an illusion. They view religion as some sort of afterlife insurance and a security blanket. Even though many people do not actually believe in the tenets of their respective religion because it is somewhat atavistic, they want to proclaim that they are that religion for reasons of familial/social/societal approval and to have something to hold unto. You are so right, jlpark.
Eh...if you're talkin' to me, please note that he is not my Pope. I'm not Catholic, and will never be (unless perhaps a miracle occurs and the Catholic Church gets reformed).........but I will say that I know there are some Christians in the Catholic Church and perhaps many, and that the Pope in this instance stood up for what's right, unlike some modern churches have begun doing. The Devil is leading many people into an erroneous tolerance and public approval for this blatant sin.
I'm among the first one to condemn what's outright wrong, whether it be in the Catholic Church or a Protestant Church. I don't get personally insulted when someone points out an abominable action in a Protestant Church. Most Catholics do seem to take criticism personally, however, when anyone criticizes the Catholic Church. I pray that they become curious themselves about those things and will seek out the truth for themselves, just as I pray that any Christian will keep an eye out as to what Protestant Churches and any other churches are teaching. I trust no man fully; only God.
And I dunno exactly what you meant by "ex-Nazi youth"........
I think he's of German descent?
It is well known that Pope Benedict when he was merely Mr Ratzinger was a member of the Youth section of the Nazi's - helping to commit the atrocities of the Holocaust - not quite a "Nazi" as we know them, but more like a 'training role' for the same. Just because he isn't now (no one is now, granted) changes nothing.
Nope, not talking to you personally - Catholics in general.
Brenda - a question - exactly how does my life affect yours? Or the Pope's? My marriage to my SS partner doesn't change yours, nor does it make yours any less. In fact, it strengthens it - it makes your marriage about LOVE, not gender. A marriage without love is tragic, sad and tragic.
But, do know I won't be back. I get sick of the same old arguements - I can't change who I am, all I can change is the rights we are entitled to through fighting for equal rights, I cannot change you, NOR would I want to - I think difference is what makes life interesting. I'm just tired of hearing the same old hypocrisy. I have NO problem with Religion, nor do I have an issue with you. I know who I am, and who God made me. And that is all I need.
As far as Pope Benedict "helping to commit the atrocities of the Holocaust"..............well, maybe he did. But according to Wikipedia, he was a kid who didn't have any say in the matter.
And jlpark said "just because he isn't now, changes nothing."...........
Well, people know I'm not Catholic, and I believe the Catholic Church is in great error on many things, but I will say this about being a Christian, period, whether one is Catholic or Baptist or whatever----------YES it does change something! That's what giving one's life to Christ is about, really-----we become "a new creature" in Christ; old things are passed away and we begin a new life as a forgiven child of God. And even if one doesn't consider Benedict as having become born again (if we just think of him as simply the young person that he was under German tyranny), he shouldn't be held accountable for what he was legally required to do when he was young.
Here is what Wikidpedia says about his youthful days--------
"Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth—as membership was required by law for all 14-year-old German boys after December 1939—but was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings, according to his brother. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime and murdered during the Action T4 campaign of Nazi eugenics. In 1943, while still in seminary, he was drafted into the German anti-aircraft corps as Luftwaffenhelfer (air force child soldier). Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry. As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he deserted back to his family's home in Traunstein after his unit had ceased to exist, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household. As a German soldier, he was put in a POW camp but was released a few months later at the end of the war in May 1945. He reentered the seminary, along with his brother Georg, in November.
Thus, following repatriation in 1945, the two brothers entered Saint Michael Seminary in Traunstein, later studying at the Ducal Georgianum (Herzogliches Georgianum) of the Ludwig-Maximilian University in Munich. They were both ordained in Freising on 29 June 1951 by Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Munich. Ratzinger recalled:
...at the moment the elderly Archbishop laid his hands on me, a little bird – perhaps a lark – flew up from the altar in the high cathedral and trilled a little joyful song."
People often accuse religious people of being judgemental and unforgiving, when in fact it is the opposite most of the time; Christianity is about repentance and forgiveness.
It is more often, from what I've seen and heard, that unbelievers hold onto unforgiveness, and wrap it in vengeance as well.
People being gay does not effect your life in any way must as you being a Christian does not effect their life unless you deny them rights. You are free to live by whatever rules you feel are right for you...nobody else.
H'mm... Well, I have thought about it and there is nothing to say to this whatsoever. I wish the Pope a long and happy life.
Funny how a Pope of a Church committing centuries of atrocities of adult men against boys and girls has the (balls?) to condemn homosexual practice. It is the corrupt, pedophile priesthood, priests in covert heterosexual relationships whilst promoting (sick) forced celibacy that threatens my marriage (and the Church), not a gay couple who have been in a committed loving relationship for decades. Apparently he has not taken to heart Jesus' message on love, forgiveness and not judging others. The Papacy's credibility is nil when it comes to sexual moral statements.
I actually couldn't care less what the Pope thinks about my sexuality. Or any other religious leader for that matter. I do consider myself Christian and Lesbian. I am grateful for my ability to live by my own beliefs, yet equally grateful that you can live by yours. We hear the same arguments over and over again. It is quite redundant. Truth of the matter is, if your Church does not accept my right to get Married, I won't get married there. That should have no baring on what happens in my State. If my Church recognizes same sex marriage; then if I were to marry, wouldn't I be married "under God"? Religious Law is not the Law of this land, so tell me again why I am being forced to live by the religious beliefs of others?
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