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1000 year reign of Christ

Updated on November 5, 2010

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Let me begin by saying that I know that Jesus Christ is my savior, and that he died for our sins. I do however have a problem with "THE CHURCH". It has been teaching many untruths for many centuries. Rev. chapter 20 is one of the most clearly written chapters in the whole bible. And yet It is also the most obviously misinterpreted.

It begins with ... "And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit"... "that he should not deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed for a little season". This term "a little season" is a specific period of time that I have described in another HUB (a day = a year not)

At that time when the dragon is bound ... (v.4),,, And I saw the thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus.

Before we read any further, I must point out that these souls had been beheaded. They have died and are now in heaven with their Lord and Savior.                                                          The only description given as to who these people are, is that they did not worship the beast nor take his mark. They reigned with Christ for a thousand years. They are in heaven, standing before the throne.  This is where they are. And they are to reign with Christ.

 Many Churches teach that this verse refers to Christ coming to the earth and reigns with the saints who are still alive. The Church teaches that there will be a thousand years of Peace on earth when Christ comes down to the earth.                                                                                I do not understand how or why this interpretation of these verses have come to be taught in this manner. How can teachers of the word of GOD understand this verse to be saying that Jesus comes down to the earth? This misinterpretation is so blatantly obvious that it had to have been intentionally instigated and falsely taught to our teachers.                                 There is no obvious answers to this question, but we have to ask ourselves why?                Why does the Church teach something that is clearly not stated in the verses they are reading from?  I believe that scholars have been blinded by many hundreds of years of the teachings of false interpretations.

Rev 20:5 "But the REST of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection". What about the 144000 that had received the seal of God, that are to be the first fruits unto the Lord? They were not mentioned in this chapter. They must have been redeemed prior to these events described at the first resurection.   BUT ...        That is another issue. And I will be touching upon many.

Rev. 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection; on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD .and of Christ, and they shall reign WITH HIM (in heaven) a thousand years.

I believe that at this time Rev. 14:13 comes into affect. " And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea saith the spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them". From that time forward, after the first resurrection occurs, when a believer dies they go to heaven. They do not stay in the grave waiting for the second resurrection.

What this tells me is that during this thousand years that Satan is bound in the bottomless pit; and the saints reign in heaven with Christ, life goes on as usual here on the earth.

And after the thousand years are expired, Satan is loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations. Lets compare this discription to another that sounds very similar as if they are the same event.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates,and the water thereof was dried up. .....! (V13) And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouths of the dragon (Satan) and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, ... which go forth unto the kings of the earth to gather them to the battle of that great day of Almighty God..

This indicates that the beast and false prophet are still on the earth after the thousand years are expired. This further indicates that the thousand years are contained within the forty two months that God gave unto the beast to blaspheme. (Rev 13)

This forty two months that was given to this beast had to be speaking of a time period much greater that a thousand years.

This has caused me to rethink everything that I have been taught concerning the End time prophesy. And continue to do so after more than a decade.

I ask you to carefully read these verses in scripture and SEE for your self what they say. Disregard anything that you have previously heard and read them for your self.

To be continued ...



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      DeWayne E. Benson 5 years ago

      The earliest manuscripts according to scholars and theologians did not have 'Chilias' in Rev-20:1-7, instead was found 'Chilioi'. Both Chilias and Chilioi Greek numerics from Base-10, as 10x3 power, is expressed as unit of 'Thousands Rev-20 (in Greek Thousands Years).

      Both events called 'Millennium' as described in the bible begin at different times, lasting different durations, and neither is a single 'one thousand'.

      Both Rev-20 events (Satan in Abyss, and saints reigning with Christ), end at the same very time when Satan is released from the Abyss.

      For an in depth webpage article describing the sophisticated Greek Math Theorem concerning how the Greek numeric 'Chilioi' was substituted with 'Chilias, regardless both a plural article of 'Thousands', and how Chilioi is found unusually in singular form only eight times in the New Testament, six of these eight in Rev-20, and remaining two in 2 Peter 3:8... read my webpage article:

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      jerami 5 years ago from Houston tx

      Almost7an7angel Thank you very much ... As I understand it , the first seal was opened immediately upon Jesus's arival in heaven upon his assention after his crucifixion. The seventh seal was opened around 138 AD. when the Hebrew Nation was scattered to the four winds. The first trumpet was sounded in 538 AD the sixth around 1050.

      Satan would have been bound around 890AD and loosed around 1890; posibly with the Birth of Adolph Hitler in 1892. Satan was given a little season to bring the kings of the earth together. A "Little season is approx. 119 of our years. At the end of the "Little Season" the seventh trumpet is sounded and the seventh vial is poured out.

      The first Vial was opened around 1340 with the outbreak of the bubonic plague. In my opinion All of prophesy has been fulfilled except for these last two. At least this is my

      Again thanks for reading and commenting.

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      Barbara 5 years ago from Dothan

      I like what you have written Jerami, have you ever considered the 1000 years began shortly after they crucified Jesus, there was an earthquake the graves where open and the dead walked? what happen to those people who came back to life? And a lot of his Disciples where beheaded. I'm not sure about when, but I do know it is not something that is going to happen it is already happening, Jesus is in his Kingdom now.

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      jerami 6 years ago from Houston tx

      And I appreciate very much, you for stopping by and leaving this comment.

      The things which we are taught before we actually open the bible affect the way in which we understand that which we are reading in ways that we are unaware.

      Another instance of us not paying attention to that which is actually written (and there are many) is when John weeps because no one is found in heaven or on earth, or under the earth who is worthy to take the book... then after a few moments suddenly the a blood soaked Lamb of God appears as if it had (just) been slain.

      Where could Jesus have been just moments before when he was Not in heaven or earth, but in between, or in rout?

      And he immediately took the book and began opening the seals?

      Which means that the seven seals were opened and those things depicted, began happening immediately after the crucifixion. (30 AD)

      I believe these judgments were inflicted upon THAT Hebrew people that existed in the first century.

      And his returning would have happened exactly as he said that it would be.

      Jesus said "This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled".

      Just because the second coming has come and gone, there is no reason for despair ..

      I believe that the 1st resurrection has also already happened. (around 900 AD) This would be seen as GOOD NEWS, because of this, when we die in Christ, we immediately return to heaven from which we came.

      That Hebrew Nation of the first century did come to their days of indignation as written is scripture.

      Six of the bowl judgments have been poured out, And we are now in the “Last” days of indignation.

      as you say God Bless us ALL.

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      thelionjudahsanctuary 6 years ago

      God Bless us all. Amen.

      I appreciate that you are taking the time search endtime prophecies for the truth. I have had this overriding feeling that the church (the body of Christ) is missing something that is vital regarding "The Second Coming Of Christ."

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      jerami 6 years ago from Houston tx

      Thanks for leaving this link

      I liked the artical very much.

      It mentions many of the things which I have been saying.

      Unfortunately people today spend too much of their time attempting to reinforce false interpretations of scripture than actually reading what is written.

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      luke 6 years ago

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      james 6 years ago

      umm..i believe that you are a christian JD..but you have this "holier than thou" attitude..yiu get my have a sarcastic, arrogant attitude about you if other people disagrees with you...

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      I will check them out.

      I tried to watch it earlier but it wouldn't load up.

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      Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA

      That video series will show you far more than you think you you want to get blessed? Don't stop growing, Jerami. You'll stagnate.

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      You said "What you are calling your "PRIVATE interpretation" is not stated "explicitly" in the Word; it's an interpretation.

      Actually I disagree. IF we read Daniel 9 as if we had never read the bible before. Because when this message was given there wasn't A new testament. There were no interpretations of things that other people said 600 years later. It was understood for what it said.

      When it stands alone, it is much easier to understand as written. Not an interpretation. We should attempt to understand this message exactly as written.

      A key is revealed. Prophetically speaking,

      In 538 God sent a prophesy to Daniel

      v23 "at the beginning of thy supplication the commandment came forth"

      V25 says that from the time the command goes forth it will be 69 weeks until the Messiah the Prince.

      V26 and after 62 weeks they are going to kill the Messiah.

      Approx. 568 years later the Messiah was killed.

      62 weeks in prophesy is the same period of time as approx. 668 years on earth. This is not an interpretation, just a mathematical deduction based upon explicitly written words of scripture.

      That is not an interpretation. It is "THE" key to unlocking our understanding of all of prophesy.

      We can interpret this truth away ... But WHY would we ?

      When we refuse to give this chapter the respect that it deserves, We are left in the dark with each of us arguing about "OUR" interpretation being better than every other interpretation.

      As you say .. lead a horse to water but I can't make you drink.

      I wish that you would honestly consider the facts listed above.

      Take care JD.

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      Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA

      No need to quote my words from my latest hub, but I understand why you do this. We war not against flesh and blood. You go on to say, "Whenever we tag on a meaning (interpretation) that is not explicitly stated; we "ARE" taking away "AND" adding to the prophesy of God. Every time. There are no exceptions." What you are calling your "PRIVATE interpretation" is not stated "explicitly" in the Word; it's an interpretation. The additions to the Bible by Erasmus, on the other hand, were literal additions. He had to answer to God for that. What I have told you is what Revelation states.

      Yes, there's a battle coming, the battle of Har-Mageddon (do you know where that's located?) The beasts of Revelation align with Islam, not the Catholic church. You don't know what the Qur'an says, do you? You'd be amazed, if you understood the Bible to begin with. There are many false doctrines and false prophets out there (thus, why Har-Mageddon has not yet happened, according to Revelation), but if you read my hub, "The Beasts of Revelation", you will see the alignment. The system to come is far worse than any oppression brought on the world by the Catholic church. Jesus said it would be. Catholics don't hate Jews and Christians. Revelation is about the time of Jacob's (Isreal) trouble. Again, I can share this with you ~ or 'lead a horse to water', but I can't make you drink. Take care, Jerami.

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      Do you find yourself offended by some teachings that contradict what you’ve always been taught?

      you just quickly shut it off and don’t listen?

      Do Not Add to or Take Away from God's Word!

      2ND Peter 1:20 says prophesy of scripture has no personal interpretation.

      Whenever we tag on a meaning (interpretation) that is not explicitly stated; we "ARE" taking away "AND" adding to the prophesy of God. Every time. There are no exceptions.

      I am so glad that that we are saved by the grace of God, and not according to how well we understand the prophesy. "IF" I am right in my understanding; the Church that the Roman Empire built is the beast as described in Rev. 13.

      And IF that is true ... They kept enough of the true teachings of Christ to have been accepted ... But their doctrine would be false.

      As you said in your hub, Catholics eliminated the 2ND commandment, and divided the ninth making ten.

      Some people would call that Blasphemy. And they have been blaspheming From their beginning (in either 326 or

      333( date of 2ND council???))

      If 568 years (from 538 BC until they killed the Messiah) is 62 prophetic weeks then the Catholic Church has been blaspheming the Lord for about 42 months.

      I just can not let anyone convince me to inflict my PRIVATE interpretation upon this clearly stated message delivered to Daniel by Gods messenger angel Gabriel.

      "This" word of God, is the foundation upon which I build my understanding of prophesy of scripture.

      In one regard It really doesn't matter If I am right or you are.

      There is a great battle coming very soon, I think that we both agree with this.

      When it does I think we will both be in heaven and then we will know.

      As I stated above, At the time that it was written when the commandment goes forth to build the Jerusalem , Jerusalem didn't exist.

      It had to be built again before it could be destroyed in 70 AD.

      And after Hadrian evacuated the city selling all the Jews into slavery through out the rest of the Empire. This fulfilled what Jesus foretold over 100 years earlier.

      Luke 21:23 And they shall fall by the edge o the sword and be lead away captive into all nations, and Jerusalem shall be trodden down o the gentiles until the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

      This event is also spoken of in Rev. 12 The woman is carried away into the wilderness where they shall feed her there for 1260 days and she also hides from the face of the Serpent for a time, times and an half.

      This is also the event described in Rev. 11

      The outer courts are given to the Gentiles or 42 months

      These were prophetic references of time. These are not 3 1/2 of our years.

      I can cross reference almost every prophesy in Daniel and Rev. by using the time comparison that I have spoken of on many occasions. A week = approx 9.13 to 9.16 of our years and it remains consistently true through out prophesy.

      It puts all the pieces of the puzzle together, forming a complete picture having NO contradictions. If we just re frame from interjecting personal interpretations upon the prophesy of scripture.

      I can sense your frustration with my hard headedness.

      I understand.

      May many Belessings be upon all my brothers and sisters in Christ. In Christs Name.

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      Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA

      I don't care if ALL BIBLES were burned, Jerami. There was no "Bible" when Adam and Eve were created. They knew God as we know God today (because of Christ). The world KNOWS about JESUS. They KNOW He was born and died on the cross. Time changed! His Spirit is alive and lives in those who believe. If there were never a written Bible, we would STILL know Him in spirit and truth! He is ALIVE. He speaks. He is Truth and will guide us into all truth, and will show us things to come! (

      John 16:13).

      You need to ponder that the battle of Har-Mageddon takes place prior to the millennial reign. Jesus comes on a white horse with His armies. The beast and false prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire at the conclusion of this battle. Satan is bound in the bottomless pit for the thousand years, and the saints in Christ are resurrected to reign with Him a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. STOP.

      Now, go on to Satan's release (no beast or false prophet are released, for they're in the Lake of Fire already). Satan gathers the nations of the earth to surround the holy city of Jerusalem (this is not the New Jerusalem). They gather at Gog and Magog. There is NO BATTLE, for fire comes from heaven and destroys them all. Fire coming from heaven tells you the destruction of Satan's armies takes place ON EARTH. Jesus is not said to be coming on a white horse with armies to fight this second battle.

      After the destruction of Gog and Magog, Satan is then cast into the Lake of Fire "WHERE THE BEAST AND FALSE PROPHET ARE" (they've been there a thousand years). This is when the second resurrection happens, the judgment seat of sentencing the condemened to the Lake of Fire ~ where they join their father, the devil.

      It's after ALL this, the New Heaven and New Earth are created and the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven to this New Earth.

      Please watch that video series, if nothing else, Jerami. Obviously, reading Revelation hasn't helped you. I'm doing my best, as I've attempted to do over this past year.

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      HOOWANTSTONO Thanks for commenting I hope that we can respectfully disagree.

      I agree with this ....Jesus being God already laid the path and in which order things will take place in the future. (from the prospective when it was said)

      I believe that the book of Daniel up until 12:4 covers a period of time from 538 BC up until 138 AD and Revelation covers a period of time beginning at Jesus' birth

      (Rev. 12) describing events that have been continuously being fulfilled. And we are now down to the last last trumpet and last vial.

      If this is true The events described in Matthew 24 and those prophesy written in Daniel do agree. These are the seal judgments. And the seventh seal as opened when that Hebrew Nation ceased to exist and the 14 Emperor of the Roman Empire died. (138 AD)

      In my opinion the great multitude as seen in Rev. 7:9 IS NOT those from the first resurrection or it would have said so as it does in Chapter 20.

      I think that this was the official closure of the Old Testament covenant. All of Gods promises to the direct descendants of Abraham. The Rapture of the 144000 of the 12 tribes of Israel and any others that God so chose.

      The Old covenant had to be completely closed out. There was silence after the seventh seal was opened which at the very least depicts a separation of some kind... before the seven trumpets are handed out.

      This is a very important detail that most people seem to not notice.

      As I mentioned to Judah's Daughter; I you can show me solid evidence that I am mistaken I would much appreciate it. But interpretations of interpretations won't convince me.

      Peace be unto all of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      JD let me first say that I have all due respect for you though I do have a differing opinion.

      You ask "So, you are a Preterits, Jeram"?

      I answer ...Yes and No!

      I agree with the preterits view concerning the seven seals. But from the seven trumpet judgments forward I am a historicity's, It seems that no one can agree with me. I'm Bad!.. Seems My vied is mine alone.

      You stated ...

      Let's see...Jesus is to return in the manner He left (Acts 1:11) and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM (Rev 1:7). This wasn't recorded anywhere, Jerami.

      Lets see ... After Hadrian put down the final Jewish revolt (133 - 135 AD) He held an official ceremony where he burned ALL of the Holly scriptures that were in Jerusalem.

      Then the Muslims burned the library in Alexandria destroying about half the books contained there.

      And the Holy Roman Empire spent more than 500 years collecting every thing that they could find. And they are locked away with no one having access to MOST of them

      In my opinion; lack of documentation proves nothing either way.

      You state that .. So the Antichrist and false prophet were already cast into the Lake of Fire at the beginning of the millennial reign and Satan bound in the bottomless pit (Rev 19:20-20:2).

      What is the basis of you believing that Chapter 16 and chapter 20 are not talking about the same battle?

      I believe that they are.

      "Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:....

      When Gabriel told this to Daniel, Jerusalem was already laid desolate, No one lived there. There was not a temple there. Nebuchadnezzar destroyed them in 586 BC.

      We have to remember "that" when Daniel received this message 9:23, there was no Jerusalem. There was no Temple

      Daniel 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplication THE COMMANDMENT came forth! (To build Jerusalem)

      If we interpret away the truth of this message, then anything is possible, I guess.

      But "IF" we allow ourselves to believe this statement exactly as Gabriel delivered it, then we can find the truth.

      But that is just "MY" conclusion after a decade of exclusively studying prophesy in an attempt to understand them exactly as they were presented.

      I don't mean to sound disrespectful. I am positive that we must not project our interpretations of scripture upon this chapter is such a way as to change the words of Gabriel as sent from God. We can't change the meaning of this to mean anything other that what they say. This is an important pivital point.

      Please start with this chapter as the foundation of your understanding of scripture and then build upon this.

      We can not let "out interpretation" of something that was said 550 to 585 years "later" distort the meaning of this message. This message was given FIRST and "IS" the foundation upon which all others must conform. Not the other way around.

      I think that prophesy is the foundation on which all scripture must rests.

      But again that is just my opinion!

      If I am wrong please show me proof.

      But it will have to be solid and not contradict earlier prophesy.

      We can not build a house starting at the top o the roof, building downwards and expect to land squarely upon THE foundation

      All my best regards and may God bless us all.

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      HOOWANTSTONO 7 years ago

      Jesus being God already laid the path and in which order things will take place in the future.

      Book of Revelations is a magnifying glass on which the order is done in Matthew and verified in Luke also.

      Mat 24:4-51 is the foundation on which Revelation is Prophesied on.

      Revelation is actually " Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ," and delivered by an Angel to John.

      The two books cant contradict each other.


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      Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA

      So, you are a Preterist, Jerami.

      Let's see...Jesus is to return in the manner He left (Acts 1:11) and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM (Rev 1:7). This wasn't recorded anywhere, Jerami.

      So the Antichrist and false prophet were already cast into the Lake of Fire at the beginning of the millennial reign and Satan bound in the bottomless pit (Rev 19:20-20:2). If the millennial reign is in heaven, as you mistakenly believe, and since there are many antichrists and false prophets rampant among us now, either 1) they got out of the Lake of Fire or 2) we are all in the Lake of Fire! NOT!! God knows, His New Heaven and New Earth haven't manifested yet (Rev 21:1).

      The Temple hasn't even been rebuilt, which happens BEFORE Christ returns. The Antichist sits in the temple of God (2 Thes 2:4) and IS the abomination of desolation that stands in the holy place (Dan 11:31; Mat 24:13) ~ at which time the Jews are to flee to the mountains (on earth - Mat 24:16)...

      It is the generation that sees Israel become a nation again that will not pass until they see Jesus coming in the clouds (Mark 13:26-30). Israel became a nation in 1948. Dan 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

      Have you forgotten that the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city comes DOWN from heaven? (Rev 21:21) Where is it? There's a holy war going on over there! Have you forgotten that the saints shall inherit the EARTH? (Rom 4:13) This is where we will spend eternity after the resurrection.

      I pray you will return to the truth, Jerami. If you will, please take two hours of your time and watch this set of 12 videos on the Biblical timeline of Daniel. It's well worth it, if you WILL:

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      May Gods blessings continue to be with you.

      "Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some."

      This conversation is said to have taken place around 66 AD. At that time Jesus had not come back again as he had promised. All of the believers of the first century believed that he would at some time in their generation though no one knew the day or hour.

      I truly believe that He did keep his promise during that generation. When I came to believe this, it seemed that a cloud that covered my understanding of scripture was lited. I don't understand everything, but they do make 100 times more sense to me when looking at them from this prospective.

      And I think that if more people looked at it from this prospective it would bring many more people to Christ.

      If they could just understand it without all of the confusion. And contradictions. I think that interpretations of scripture are the cause of seeing contradictions that are not actually written in scripture.

      I'd love to discuss this with you in depth.

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      Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA

      2 Tim 2:16-18 "But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some."

      The thousand year-reign happens AFTER the Antichrist and false prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire and Satan is bound in the bottomless pit. There are a multitude of antichrists on the earth today, and Satan is active. This tells us the thousand-year reign has not yet begun.

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      schoolgirlforreal Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I have much enjoyed your comments on forums. I've read the two hubs you suggested and Like them very much.

      I need to get to know the Catholic faith a bit better.

      I do and I don't have a problem with the church"es".

      Many other denominations of Christianity are Catholic bashes. I may sound like one sometimes but I never forget that Catholicism is the Mother of all Christian faiths.

      I didn't "have a problem" with any denomination until I stumbled over Daniel 9th chapter. First verse identifies the year that this vision comes to Daniel. (538 BC)

      Verse 23 Gabriel says the command has gone forth

      " 25 " says that it shall be 69 weeks unto the Messiah the prince. This has come to be understood to be talking about the second coming.

      Verse 26 Gabriel says that in 62 weeks that they are going to kill the Messiah.

      OK in 538 BC the 62 weeks began and in either 26, 30 or 33 AD this prophesy was fulfilled.

      I don't think that it would be wrongly interpreting this to be saying that 62 weeks is the same as 564, 568 OR 571 of our years. This indicates that a week in prophesy is the same as approx. 9.13 or 9.16 of our years. If we apply this equation through out prophesy a different picture is drawn than otherwise presented.

      This is what my belief system is built upon.

      This is my problem with the church"es".

      When I investigated this over a period of a decade I have come to the conclusion that the church"es" seemed to have deliberately taught many untruths from the beginning; according to what is written in prophesy. I consider the messages that are sent to mankind, from God through his messenger Gabriel, to be the most trustworthy scriptures in the book. And as 2 ND Peter 1:20 says .. there is to be NO personal interpretations of prophesy.

      For this reason ... I have come to the conclusion that we are much farther along in prophesy than the church"es" would have us to believe. And I must ask myself "WHY"

      It is just an opinion but It is mine that churches are a good thing while not being what it could be.

      Misinterpreting prophesy is a big deal to me.

      And again I ask myself WHY?

      I hope that I haven't been too pushy with my views. Just wanted to explain them.

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      schoolgirlforreal 7 years ago

      I like Revelation. When satan is chained in hell we will have peace for 1,000 years.....I hope that is soon!

      If you have problems with the church (not sure which one you meant, but) the Catholic Church has always been persecuted by satan. Like when there were heresies, then Liberalism entered the church in vatican II. This was a bad council and as a result, we have what we have today. such is the reason for the you will find they train priest in the old way. read my hub- an intelligent and logical man

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      Painted desert Thanks again for stopping by and posting..

      It seems as though everyone sees every prophesy to be concerning a single time period. This is a great error.

      Zechariah 14:1 ... and half the city shall go into captivity and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. ???

      This is described differently than the "Last great Battle of the Lord" depicted in Rev. 20:11 Thur 15

      To me this sounds more like that which is described in Daniel 2:44 and Daniel 7:9 and 11:5.

      These visions as described to Daniel, is clearly defined by Gabriel to be speaking of prophesy that is to be fulfilled during the time of the 14 Emperor of the fourth kingdom that has dominion over "THAT" Hebrew Nation that came to their end of Days in 138AD.

      Revelation is a revealing of things that has been, that are, and things that are to come (Rev 1:19)

      The Lord has passed judgment upon mankind many times through the ages.

      I do not understand why people believe that he has been holding back his judgments for almost 2000 years cause of his patience but then within a 3 1/2 year period, 18 different judgments are all going to befall us so quickly that we won't know when one ends and another begins.

      But this is just my thoughts

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      jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

      @ Painted Desert Realty Thank you for coming by and leaving these verses for study . Several thoughts come to mind when reading them.

      I'll be giving this much thought before I atempt to give the reply that they deserve.

      Again thanks.

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      Painted Desert Realty 7 years ago

      Zechariah 14

      2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

      3Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. 4On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquakea in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

      6On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime—a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.

      8On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern seab and half to the western sea,c in summer and in winter.

      9The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

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      jerami 8 years ago from Houston tx

      Your comments are much appreciated.

      I am not sure which verses you are reffering to concerning his coming in his glory?

      I think that this event was not recorded because Jesus said that he was coming as a thief in the night.

      When a thief comes to your house in the middle of the night, your neighbors might never know.

      I don't have all of the answers, I just believe what he said. And if there are blank spaces that I do not understand I don't want to mis-interpret something that will cause contradictions in what I DO believe.

      I have been on a quest to eleminate my mind of "Interpretations" for the past 10 years. This is still an ongoing process.

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      Disappearinghead 8 years ago from Wales, UK

      Hi Jerami. I listened to Daniel and yes it seemed clear to me that he was talking of kingdoms and events up until the Roman empire. An interesting section is chapter 8 describing the partition of Alexander's empire amoungst his four generals. The prominant horn appears to be Seleucus who took over the south and east as far west as Israel. Verses 9-12 appear to describe Antiochus who looted the temple and stopped the services, set up an altar to Zeus, and ordered sacrifices of pigs. Chapter 11 appears to describe the continual wars between the Seleucid and Ptolomic kingdom of Egypt. The events are described in Wikipedia and it would be an interesting study to map these events to those in Daniel if I had the time. It's amazing though that these events are described in Daniel 200-300 years before they occured.

      Having listened to Jesus end time prophecies in the Gospels, I would agree that He appears to be confining these to the end of the nation of Israel by the Romans. I've always though it odd that people say He is talking of events in our near future as key events here are clearly regarding the Roman destruction of the temple in 70AD, the setting up of the statue to Jupiter and the exile of the Jews from Jerusalem. How can we think that during these prophesies Jesus is describing both events of His generation and our near future without stating that he is changing from describing one to the other?

      Reading the events described in Wikipedia of the three Jewish-roman wars I can quite see why Jesus stated that these would be times of greatest horror never before seen or since. The Kitos wars describes some pretty horrfic atrocities carried out be the Jews too. Even false messiahs are described during these times.

      The only problems I have remaining are when Jesus talks about the coming of the Son of Man in glory. If this event is also contained within the Jewish-Roman war period He is talking about, then why do we not find this event recorded in the history of that time?

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      jerami 8 years ago from Houston tx

      Disapearing Head..Thanks again for taking time to read and comment on this hub.

      When reading Jesus's message on end times you have to first read Matthew 23 before reading Matt. 24, or you miss the whole concept. In 23 Jesus is verbaly blasting those Scribes and Pharisees that are standing right there in front of him. 23:36 "Verily I say unto YOU; all these things shall come upon this generation." and that message continues as the four disciples ask Jesus ,when are those things going to happen, and the end of the world and thy coming again and Jesus tells them in C 24.34 and 24:36.

      THIS Generation shall not pass away before all these things be fulfilled but no one knows the day or hour.

      But when preconcieved ideas get in the way ???

      we understand a diffrent message.

      And Jesus never refered to their question concerning the end of the world.

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      Disappearinghead 8 years ago from Wales, UK

      Another good hub. I've got Daniel, Jesus' message on the end times, and Revelation in my MP3 player ready to listen to on my drive to work. I'm going to do as you suggest Jerami, and that is listen to these scriptures as if I'm a brand new Christian who has never heard of end tme prophecy before. I'll see if I come to a new understanding by believing exactly what is written as it is written with no self interpretation. I'll let you know what happens.

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      jerami 8 years ago from Houston tx

      Satan gives power to the The beast that John sees rising up out of the sea Then the beast is given 42 months to blaspheme the Lord. Satan is bound in the bottomless pit at the same time as 1000 years that Jesus reigns. The beast continues his blasphemous behavior and then the beast and false prophet,meet Satan in the Euphrates after Satan is loosed out of the bottomless pit, after the 1000 years are fulfilled.. For the entire duration of Jesus"s millennial reign, people are being tempted by the beast. This doesn't make sense to me. We do not need to believe interpretations above that of the written word of God.

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      Dr. Oscar A. Williams, Jr. 8 years ago from PA

      I personally believe that there will be a Thousand year reign of Christ on this earth and that we will rule and reign with him then the end will come. I see it in scripture. What I do and recommend to every one is to prayerfully read the scripture asking God to open them up to you by His Spirit to your understanding. God says if you ask anything in my name I will do it.

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      jerami 8 years ago from Houston tx

      I agree that the only thing that is important is that of Salvation. I do not mean to sound harsh when I express how I feel to the core of my soul. I do believe that many non believers have gone to church to hear guest speakers on end time prophesy. And if they would have gotten any answers they would have come back again and again. But when they hear interpretations that just don't make any sense. Or when they hear "Nobody knows cause it is a MYSTERY, God didn't really want anyone to know the answers to the MYSTERY .. He wants us to interpret this to suit ourselves". That non believer isn't coming back. The Lord sent these messages because he DID want for us to understand! The meanings of these prophesy are clear. After 1900 years of interpretating scripture, we have created a mystery in our minds that simply isn't written in Scripture. I do not want Christians (ANYONE) to be caught unaware when the seventh trumpet is sounded and the seventh vial is poured out. The signs that they are watching for are only their interpretations of events already fulfilled. There is a time line stated in scripture that takes careful analysis and zero interpretation.

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      Royal Diadem 8 years ago

      I totally agree with sky2day, I study systematic theology and completed the course to become ordained, but I still do not quite understand, because Revelation is being taught by men and women, ( I believe)who in reality do not quite understand it either because of the symbolizism that is in Revelation. Revelation can only be under through revelation. The main importance is this, do you believe that Jesus Christ die for your sins if yes, that is all you really need to understand. Live for him and him alone.

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      jerami 8 years ago from Houston tx

      Dear skye2day. Thank you for your comment. I too am concerned for the salvation of of all. I would not be writing these if I wasn't. I believe that scripture has been misinterpreted for too long. And I am pleading for people to stop interpreting the end time prophesies and read what is actually written. I believe that because of False interpretations, Christians are watching for sighns that are not coming, because they have already been fulfilled. I believe that, except for the seventh trumpet and seventh vial, all of prophesy has been fulfilled. I believe that False interpretations of end time prophesies are going to cause many to be caught unaware, when the end does come. What I am saying does not change anything concerning, when a believer dies, he or she goes to be with God. If Armageddon happens today or a year from now, salvation does not change. Evil wants for us to be not ready. I believe that it is coming soon. May God bless us all

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      skye2day 8 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      Be Cautious, of your interpertaion of the end times.I am a believer & have salvation (20years) I would not be accurate in my understanding of the end times to share. I have heard from righteous men of God and do not understand. My care is to lead others to salvation. I do not want any to perish into hell. Neither does Christ. I am in this world not of the world. This is the peace I need to share. If I i my finite mind tried to share the 7th seal or trump I would be off.

      I share it will not be pretty for those left behind. The Good News is salvation is free & takes 15 seconds to convert.

      I share Romans 10:9-10,John 3:16 then move forward from that with the Holy Spirit. Check my hubs. I joined your fan club Keep sharing the truth. Jesus is returning Amen

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      Make Money 8 years ago from Ontario

      The phrase "this generation shall not pass till all of these things be fulfilled" is mentioned in 3 of the 4 Gospels, Luke 21, Matthew 24 and Mark 13.  All three are talking about the signs that shall forerun the day of judgment.

      I posted again in the thread that you started in the Religion forums titled "Millenial reign of Christ".  You may be interested in what I posted.

      God bless


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      jerami 8 years ago from Houston tx

             2 Peter 2:20  Knowing this first, that no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation,  !!!   General gospel teachings may mean diffrent things to diffrent people, but  PROPHESY IS NOT FOR PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. They mean exactly what they are saying.   The foundation of my understanding is that the "62 weeks until Messiah is cut off," began in 538 BC because Gabriel said so. We can not interpret what he said. Also, read the things that Jesus said and consider these things as written in stone. If any other verse in scripture seems to contradict what Jesus has said, there must be a misinterpretation involved someplace. I believe that THE CHURCH has been  (intentionally or not)  misinterpreting Prophesy for over 1600 years.  I believe that the Great Tribulation happened when Jesus said that it would. In that generation that he was teaching to, This generation shall not pass till ALL of these things be fulfilled. This would include the tribulation, the "Rapture", and the end days for that hebrew nation. I believe that the trumpet, and vial judgments are applicable to the times of the gentiles (42 months). the seventh trumpet and seventh vial are yet to be fulfilled. The rest is history  This is just an openion                           

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      Make Money 8 years ago from Ontario

      Very good Jerami.  When you refer to "THE CHURCH" I am assuming you mean the Catholic Church.  But what you have described in this Hub is very close to Catholic teachings.  But the 42 months are the days of tribulation when Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit.  Rev 11 says two witnesses shall prophesy in Jerusalem for a thousand two hundred sixty days.  A thousand two hundred sixty days divided by 30 is 42 months or 3 and a half years.  The Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible says the two witnesses are commonly understood as Henoch and Elias (or Elijah).  Don't forget that the day of the Lord is not to come till the man of sin sits in the temple as if he were God (2 Thessalonians 2).  That will begin the 42 months.  Catholics are very scriptural too my friend.



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