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A Controversial Conversation: Discussing Evolution Verses Religion and The Belief In God

Updated on November 23, 2016
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Contemplating and Asking Questions????

In recent weeks a lot has been on my mind. This world we live in has fast become riddled in hate and fear. Every time I step out of the door I wonder whether it will be my last. This has gotten me thinking about God and his purpose for us here.


Not too long ago I wrote about the fact that I was through with religion. In all honesty, I was through with it for quite a while; I just never admitted it to myself until this last year or so. Oh, I still believed in God. I always had my personal relationship with him, and I continue my daily talks with him today. However, I have been at some sort of a crossroad. I feel lately that with all the violence and division in this world that maybe, and I hate to think this way, but maybe there actually is no God or Jesus. I started asking myself questions like; If there is a God, why is this his will for us? Even more, why has it always, when I think about it, been the bad humans that live unscathed without life’s woes and hardships and the innocent and hardworking that have had the luck of Jesus himself? The one who hung up on that cross and suffered? The one who was taken as a joke by so many as not being who he said he was? If there was and is a God, then how could he have even sacrificed his only son to that kind of torture? I mean, did it do any good? Has it helped even in the slightest bit to bring this world to peace and unity? Has sin been washed away to enough people, because now it seems we are drowning in it?



More and more questions I cannot stop from entering my mind, and all the while I stay committed to my talks with my God. My personal relationship to whatever or whoever it is that makes me feel, at least, a little more at ease when I’m so stressed out and worried that I feel I would like to go ahead and die instead of try to breathe another day. Then I go further with my questions upon feeling this way. If he was truly helping me, if he was really real, why do I still feel a little better but still harbor so much despair within myself? How? Who is this God that I talk to? Could it be that I have made him up to validate the beliefs I grew up with? The ones my parents to this day instill in my psyche? Could my God actually be just me and my ability to rationalize my bad days and soothe myself? Is the voice I hear inside myself only the part of me that has learned to heal through difficult days? It’s all debatable now to me.

It's All Very Scientific If You Ask Me

Darwin's Theory On Evolution

If I delved into the part of my brain that seems to be making an appearance more and more, I would begin to question Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution. I will not lie; it has brought up questions in my mind lately; Mr. Darwin being a naturalist and his research bringing into his mind the idea that we evolve out of natural selection. We do not come from a God’s hand, but we have evolved through adapting to the ever-changing environment. When I think this way, it does not seem all that unrealistic. Do I wish and hope that it isn’t true? Yes. I think; like most people, I want to believe in the greater power of a God. I want to believe we were in this place of serenity before being brought here in the world to a hand-picked family that would set our life a sail with different realms of emotions and conflicts but all for a purpose in the end, even if we could not know that purpose until we once again entered where we began (heaven). It is a lovely way to think. Even if you are not a religious person, but more of a spiritual hippie chick like me, it’s the way most of us would want to live and believe.

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A Modern Day Darwin: Richard Dawkins

One day recently, I was skimming my newsfeed on facebook, and I came across a video short of a man I have never personally heard of, but seemingly he has been in the publics' conversations for years. His name is Richard Dawkins. I don’t know why I clicked on this video. I can’t remember. Although, I assume it had a title attached that caught my eye, apparently it was about religion and theories on this subject.


As I watched Mr. Dawkins in this video, I was intrigued by his mind. I could detect a similarity to my own mind in a sense. He had individual thoughts, and though he is a scientist, a zoologist if I’m not mistaken, he still talked through his beliefs and wrote about his beliefs in a way that expressed his personal thoughts and feelings on subjects, and in this case religion. His theories and questions to those who don't have the same ideas of him, would eventually brand him as being a controversial person.


There was one video of his that I found, where he traveled to speak with an evangelical pastor and by the time this interview was over the pastor, Ted Haggard, told him in the process of finding his truth, don’t be arrogant. I had to laugh, because as I watched Richard Dawkins simply ask his questions; it's his curiosity I saw, and his need to find why people believe in what they believe in. I find a lot of people feel I’m arrogant in this way, when really all I'm doing is asking questions that may quench my thirst of my own curiosity. It is very questionable to curious minds as to why we have all these religions and different books and stories to worship from. How does all of this come together in the grand scheme of going to heaven and meeting one God? I, for one, see exactly why Mr. Dawkins is researching and asking people of religious faith these questions. I think I would like to know the answer myself.


I suppose being curious and asking questions in your own accord could be defined in a lot of ways; arrogance, judgmental, even maybe narcissism. However, I like to think of myself as being altruistic in my search for knowledge and my need to share my thoughts. That’s the way I look at my journey. I see myself as informative and trying to bring unity and conversation to others in a good way. I may go about it in a similar way as Mr. Dawkins; full force with no thought of how people may perceive me until after I have already stated my questions and opinions. Even so, like him, I shed no apologies. If I were to do that, I would lose the me whom I have learned to admire, and I want to admire myself more than I want admiration from others; not in a narcissistic way, but in the way of survival through this life of mine. I have learned through many ups and downs, it, in fact, was the days of insecure thoughts about myself that had me so deep in depression and scared to do or say anything which would make others judge me in a negative fashion. I’m not doing that anymore, and I do not care if this makes me arrogant. I’m truly disappointed if altruism cannot be seen by some as my quest, but I assure you that is what it is.

Concluding My Thoughts On This Subject

I don't know if I totally believe in Evolution. I don't know if I totally believe in God anymore either. I have no answers at this point, only questions that I'll keep asking until I decide on something for myself. I suppose, until then, I will continue to talk to my God. There may come that day in which the light bulb will just explode above my head and I'll come back here with my total belief of one of the two along with my reasons to back it up. Until then, I hope all are happy with what they believe in.

© 2016 Missy Smith

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      Missy Smith 14 months ago from Florida

      I'm glad I've met some people that understand my way of thinking. :) Thanks Deb!

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      Deb Hirt 14 months ago from Stillwater, OK

      I think having questions and expressing them is normal. It only shows natural curiosity and the fact that one seeks the truth, instead of simply a story to silence you.

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      Frank Atanacio 15 months ago from Shelton

      I do too.. and thanks for the answer....

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      Hey Frank, I would say that discussion through religious groups and atheists have always been at odds, but just locked behind closed doors. That is a good thing. I think that is fine that everyone has a different opinion to what is true when it comes to these subjects of religion and God, or no God. It is only us who have curious souls that bring it out of the darkness to ask questions. lol

      I ran across Richard Dawkins, and watched a few of his travels of visiting different faiths and asking questions of why they believe the way they do? Although, he is out as an Atheist, and I know I am not atheist exactly, but in-between of which way to go in belief of God or no God, I do relate to his curious nature. Though some seem to get offended by his questions, I have the same ones, but maybe for different reasons.

      As I continue to talk and ask my own questions, more to myself than other people, I find that I am not religious, which I have stated, but keep more of a spiritual focus. I think there is a bigger being, but I'm not sure in what form. I don't know if this form is of human or just nature?

      As far as evolution, I'm not at odds with that either. I cannot realistically say that we were not sprouted from the natural environment and split into different sub-cultures. I write about it, because I, myself, am looking for my own prospect to the truth.

      I think I am on the verge to making my decision about my vision. I gravitate to Buddha's beliefs; spiritual aspects through nature and a Godly spirit. It satisfies my belief I think. I ran across a quote by John Lennon that sums it up for me perfectly; I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is in all of us.I believe that what Jesus, and Mohammed, and Buddha, and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong. ~John Lennon

      I love that you asked me a question, Frank. You know I like the discussion process of my hubs. :)

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      Frank Atanacio 15 months ago from Shelton

      a very strong hub here Missy... just one question Are faith and belief in evolution necessarily at odds?

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      CH Elijah Sadaphal 15 months ago from New York, NY

      Is there freedom without the restraints of believing in a God? Freedom is not about the number of choices that you have it's where those choices lead you. If you are free to do what is right in your own eyes, but are in turn liberated to choose your own demise, then I would humbly say "freedom" is a delusion.

      Take for example love, which always limits our choices for the sake of another. I love my wife and because of that love, I purposely restrict what I want to do for her benefit. If being without her means being "free," then I want to remain in bondage.

      Why was this my fate? When I read your comments I get the sense that because you have some doubts and perhaps you are "double-minded" that somehow that disqualifies you from trusting God. Doubt is in fact compatible with faith and wrestling with your doubts can produce faith stronger and more resilient that it was before. Is it coincidence that I just published an article for those who felt unsure or "double-minded"? I think not. You can check it out here: http://what-christians-should-know.org/wcsk-episod...

      "Right now, I feel I've lost his presence." What the Bible teaches us again and again is that silence does not equal absence. When Jesus was on the Cross He said, "My God, My God why have you forsaken me?" Jesus never got a response, which means God asked God a question and God did not answer. Three days later, the "response" was the resurrection.

      The reassuring news is that because God is sovereign, our doubts will never change who He is, what He has already done for us in Christ, or the fact that all things (even our doubts) come together for the good of His children (Romans 8:28). We may doubt, but God is the rock (Psalm 18:2) upon which we stand. Before the foundation of the world, He knew all about us and yet He still chose us (Ephesians 1:11), cognizant of all the doubts we would have. As we look to The Lord for assurance, He promises never to abandon us (Hebrews 13:5). Biblical faith can certainly pass the tests of the doubts of life, and in the end through Christ, it shall reign victorious and emerge stronger, more vigorous and more confident than it was before.

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      Suggestions are always welcomed, Dr. CHE. You bring up some very interesting points of view to think about. I'm not sure it helped me much, but only because you bring up both scenarios that I believe I am pondering right now, and in the exact way, you just explained them.

      Is there freedom without the restraints of believing in a God? Moreover, why at this point, after so many years of depending on the fact that he is around, am I questioning if he ever was? What is making me feel this way? Why am I at the verge of letting go of something that has helped me push forward through my life of many more downs than ups? And then... that last question there just may be the answer. I think my life has been such a struggle to get through, barely a part of it that was easy. My reflection on my life thus far, and being now at another obvious changing point in my life, has really made me feel exhausted.

      Purpose? I always believed I had one, and maybe it was only to be a good mother for my children. I do know I have acquired these added blessings along the way; my children being the biggest blessing. However, even that part has been a very scary struggle to make sure I do everything I can to raise my children right, and by no choice of my own, pretty much doing this all alone.

      Why was this my fate? It's the reflection of my life at this point, and even the condition of this world we live in that has brought these questions up.

      Like I stated in my article, I really want to stay with the belief that this person I pray to and speak with daily is around, and that I'm not just talking my own self through life. I hate that I am questioning that now.

      Right now, I feel I've lost his presence, and I'm very sad, but it's something that I think I have to journey through. As my life continues, I can only hope I can find my own answers, in my private way. When they come to light, I will either find him again, or let him go forever. As of this moment, I believe if he is real, he is patiently waiting for me to find my way back.

      Thanks for your insightful comment, Dr. CHE. I do appreciate that you took the time to read my thoughts and comment here. :)

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      I'm really happy you enjoyed reading this hub, word55. Thank you!

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      Hey Stella,

      No, I believe you are wise with how you think. In this world, I believe that is really all we can do; hold on to what we know and can do for others.

      This is only another place that I happen to be in life. I believe that when I find my way through it, I will become that next person I am supposed to be. We grow and change all through life, and if we pay attention, we realize those pivotal points of change and growth. I would say a few months away from 45, it's no wonder; this point of my life is changing me once again.

      I'm glad I'm so aware; it's an interesting journey to be on. I think some don't even realize the changes that come up through their lives. I'll come out the same person inevitably, but with some parts maybe that flew away and new ones that attached to me. Does that make sense? It's sort of like an animal shedding its skin and renewing.

      Maybe I'm strange in my way of thinking. I don't know. I just know it's the way I think and the way I move myself forward. :)

      Thank you for reading this hub and commenting, Stella. I appreciate it. Take care, ~Missy

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      CH Elijah Sadaphal 15 months ago from New York, NY

      If you are undecided, may I suggest a very simple approach and entreat you to consider one simple question: What is it, in the end, that a belief system offers as its primary benefit?

      Because on the one hand, if there is no God, and you are now "free" to take life by the horns and enjoy it, I agree that a person doesn't need religion to "be happy." But you also don't need skepticism. The only glaring problem here is that no matter how "happy" your existence is, no one ever makes it out of life alive. Mother Teresa and Hitler all have the same fate and because everything came from nothing, life is objectively meaningless.

      On the other hand, if there is a God that did in fact create the universe and you for a distinct purpose, the issue of meaning, purpose and value are now reconciled. And in order to determine what validates who this God person really is, you have to begin asking if there is a historical figure that eyewitnesses testified about that proved His "God-ness" by exerting power over creation that He supposedly made and life itself.

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      Word 15 months ago from Chicago

      Hi Missy, very nice hub. I enjoyed reading it. Thanks for sharing.

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      stella vadakin 15 months ago from 3460NW 50 St Bell, Fl32619

      Missy, we have all been to this point in our life. When I found out I had Parkinson I began to question everything. I have talked to many older people who our at deaths door, and it is so amazing how they tell me they think we just die and that is it. These were people I have gone to church with for years. What Happens? I find myself there, but I continue to bring love and joy to all I visit. I will do this as long as I can keep going. This is all I know now, sounds like you are way ahead of me. stella

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      I will definitely look those quotes up, Paula. A girl does got to do what a girl has to do in this life. For some of us that are simply not programmed to conform to the norm of life, and we who have questions to be answered and inspiration to obtain in order to get us through this life, because in all actuality, we don't live in the mindset of what can feel like a programmed society, well... the quotes around your house sound like a brilliant idea to me in order to love and appreciate just how far we have come. I like the idea of patting ourselves on the back for that, and I do that often myself. It shouldn't be called narcissism or vain to do so, it should just be called maintaining sanity without losing one's self in the process. I agree with Jodah; you are too cool! Hey, but Jodah, I also have to say you are equally important in that list of too cool people. Both you and Paula inspire me with your positive vibes and wisdom. I'm lucky to call both of you friends of mine. :)

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      John Hansen 15 months ago from Queensland Australia

      You are just too "cool" Paula.

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      Paula 15 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Jodah....Sunshine (Linda) sent me a picture of Telly Savalis as "Kojak" with a lollipop in his mouth.....and it asks, "Who loves ya baby??" That's on my full length mirror in the hallway.....so I always feel LOVED!! LOL!

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      John Hansen 15 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Me again, I just love that quote by Marcus Aurelius that Paula quoted. We should definitely all live by that no matter where we come from. Oh, and I love the one on your mirror too Paula :)

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      Paula 15 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Since you appreciate this particular quote from Marcus Arelius, I'm sure you'll find most of his work very deep and inspiring. He was considered a very brilliant man and much-loved Emperor. One day when you're just browsing, google his name or even more specifically, google his name and "quotes linked to him."

      I'm one of those people who hang quotes everywhere in my home....and I really do read them now & then to move me in one direction or another. It's like having our own private wise old sage to advise us!

      Hey Missy....I even have a small sign hanging on my bathroom mirror that says, "Objects in mirror, MUCH younger than they appear!" A girl's gotta do what girl's gotta do!

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      Oh my! Yes, Paula! That quote helped a great deal. I loved it! Again, you bring a unique understanding to the conversation at hand. The answers I seek are always explained by you in a deep and thoughtful way. I've never read that quote, and it seems it has made its appearance to my eyes exactly when it needed to. I'm not at all surprised that you were the gift giver of that one.

      As always, Paula, thank you for your wisdom and friendship. It is so appreciated. ~Missy

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      Kiss andTales 15 months ago

      As I too have read your good comments I must admit Bill makes an important statement. Love !

      1 John 4:8 " God is Love"

      He created the word and the meaning

      We only know of the word the meaning and feelings because

      Genesus. 1:27 " So God created man in his own image , in the image of God created him ; male and female created them.

      To the point that no evolution of a Ape can tell you this nor record it.

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      Hi, Setank Setunk,

      What you bring up is a cause of much of my confusion. I'm not sure I totally have a problem with the Christian views; I think my problem is I don't have a problem with any views of any religion. I am interested in all and can be open minded to all beliefs. So, that may be what is confusing me in a whole.

      I would love to sit down and talk with a rabbi, maybe one day I will get that chance. Thank you for reading this hub and commenting. I appreciate your thoughts. :)

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      Hey, Kiss and Tales,

      Thank you for joining this discussion. I am happy to see from several comments here that I am not the only one that has had this road to cross when it comes to wondering if there is or isn't a God?

      Since every person has come to their comfortable conclusion that fits their personal mindset, I am sure I will find mine soon. I love all the interesting views I get, and it is the reason I like to share what is going on in my own mind.

      I look forward to reading your next hub. :)

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      Hey Bill,

      I love your train of thought. I love that you just set it out there the way you see it, and I don't think anyone could disagree. I certainly see your whole point of believing precisely the way you do. It's a simple but valid concept to take hold to. I think if more people would think like you, oh what a beautiful place this earth would be.

      All we need is LOVE, dah dah dada dah... all we need is LOVE dah dah dada dah...all we need is love, love, LOVE is all we need... LOVE is all we need...:)

      Hey Bill, if there is a heaven, I'll see you there!! Love to you and yours, ~Missy

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      Missy Smith 15 months ago from Florida

      Hey John,

      I believe you get my point of conversation here. I am at this point where with what is going on in the world coupled with my own feelings at this middle point of my life, it has altered my logic. I am searching for more truth that makes sense to me.

      Inevitably, I think I will probably come to a conclusion much like yours; there is evolution in certain organisms of the earth, but I will most likely hang onto my God. If he is real or not, I don't know at this point, but I do know, whoever I talk over my problems with in private, certainly has pushed me forward not to give up when there have been plenty of times I wanted to do so.

      I've always been a bit curious; however, also an extreme introvert when it comes to bothering others with my thoughts. Well, my family anyway, they, as I have mentioned before, just don't get my views and do not wish to discuss them. I believe it's no wonder I shrank into myself as a child and through growing up. I had no one to talk to and then was afraid to do so. I am grateful for this platform. I can finally share thoughts I have; questions that pop in my mind. I thank all of you that take the time to listen and share with me.

      It's funny I never heard of this man, Richard Dawkins, before. However, as I think about it at this moment in time, maybe not so strange. I never questioned my beliefs in God before as much as I am pondering the possibilities of, well...everything now. So, I suppose if I had run across him previously, I wouldn't have taken the time to listen to his side of the story. I was raised to gasp in disbelief at atheists.

      This is just my curiosity talking. I want to hear every view of others who would like to share theirs. I feel it's an interesting topic for today's reality. Thanks for taking the time to read and comment. Love and friendship always, ~Missy

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      Paula 15 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Hello once again Missy....I usually reply to questions of the same or very similar vein as this profound & personal hub of yours by quoting Marcus Aurelius, the last of the so-called Five Good Emperors. This Roman Emperor was a practitioner of "Stoic Philosophy." The vast majority of his writings have been declared to be life-changing, they are so powerful. I say, to each her own translation & effect.

      One such quote from Aurelius is entitled, "Live a Good Life."

      " Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. I am not afraid."

      - Marcus Aurelius

      I hope this provides meaning and solace for you Missy. Peace, Paula

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      Setank Setunk 15 months ago

      You may simply have trouble with the Christian tenants of faith. Varied by denomination Christianity says that God created everything, knows everything, and influences or even controls everything. I would recommend speaking to a Rabbi.

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      Kiss andTales 15 months ago

      Missy Smith I want to say you have pick a good discussion most people are still confused about.

      And your feelings are shared by many

      There was I time I have said and experience the same mindset of this subject but something changed.

      I was blessed with the real answers

      And these answers are just very much realistic . not based on mystery , not based on human opinion, not based on a humans scientific analysis.

      But by the one who is responsible for all life gives the answers.

      We have to be able to seperate mans word and opinions from the Heavenly Father.

      When this is done we will be able decipher with his help genuine truth.

      I would love to explain the truth of your discussion so I will just write a hub personally to you Missy.

      The hub will answer questions from your outline of discussion here.

      The first I will share here is this thought

      Who created the idea that humans evolved ! And who said that he created humans (Isaiah 45:12 ) says I made the earth and created even man upon it.

      The Heavenly Father claims his work here.

      Man is a product of his creation he would not be able to explain this proficient.

      The next subjects I will answer in a hub.

      Thanks for your choice of this subject.

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      Bill Holland 15 months ago from Olympia, WA

      My view on it all is one that annoys quite a few people, although for the life of me I don't know why it should. Honestly, Missy, I don't care one way or another if there is a God or not. I just live a life of love and I'll take my chances after my death in this world. Death will either be nothingness or somethingness....and I guess I'll see how I fare when I get there. But living a life of love, it seems to me, is the only way to live the only life we are sure actually exists. :)

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      John Hansen 15 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Missy, we all come to times in our lives when we are confused about life, creation vs evolution, whether there is or isn't a God etc. I have my particular views and they lean towards creation. I believe in certain aspects of natural selection to suit the environment but not the evolution of one species of creature into something completely different. It is too difficult a subject for me to discuss fully here. I appreciate your reasons for questioning it all. I have known of Richard Dawkins for a long time and he too is entitled to his opinions, but my personal beliefs clash with too many of his. I would gladly discuss this with you anytime you wish by email etc, but this isn't the ideal place for me. Thank you for putting your thoughts out there in this hub, and I love Pearl Jam..so you get extra points for that. Cheers my friend.