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Fat People, Mickey Mouse and Birthdays - The Musings of Jehovah's Witnesses

Updated on January 10, 2015

The Ongoing Journey Into the "Inspirations" of the Watchtower Society

There is a good reason that the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is going through a major 'rebranding' effort. They are moving away from their 100+ years of 'inspired writings' into an Internet friendly presence; highlighted at the 2014 conventions as JW.org.

It's not a coincidence that Jehovah's Witnesses can no longer order older publications; that the CDROM library is oddly 'limited' to certain books, Watchtower and Awake articles and revisionist history. The new version of the 'faithful & discreet slave', aka seven guys in Brooklyn, is putting forth their best effort to bury the past as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately for them, their 'inspired' publications still exist in many long time Witness libraries. For those that are desperate to get their hands on what they have been preaching to billions of people for over one hundred years, you need look no further than the Internet, eBay or often times, a Kingdom Hall library.

Uh oh, the Governing Body says your a prime candidate for a good shunning... and a fireball!
Uh oh, the Governing Body says your a prime candidate for a good shunning... and a fireball!
I see Will Smith, but where are all the fat people??
I see Will Smith, but where are all the fat people??

Hungry? God's Going to Kill the Fat People

"Glutton...fails to show love for Jehovah. Is food a big thing in his life? If in the presence of others, does he selfishly ignore their needs and take more than his fair share? Is he grossly overweight but shows no restraint over food, habitually gorging himself? Does he feel uncomfortable, perhaps even getting sick because of eating too much?...he has no place in the Congregation of Gods people...he will not inherit God's kingdom..." -- Watchtower 1974 p.167

Last time I checked, food was a big thing in everyone's life. As I read this quote, I couldn't help but think some poor "Bethelite" got stiffed at the breakfast table... and had an ax to grind. Nothing incurs God's wrath like taking the last piece of bacon!!

But four years later, the campaign against fatties continued:

"At a meal the gluttonous person may make it impossible for other diners to eat to satisfaction. For this reason the glutton may even be despised...he actually isolates himself from others...they may shun him...he may incur God's displeasure and lose his life...In the near future God's kingdom through Jesus Christ will bring law defying gluttons to an end...then persons will "hunger no more." -- Watchtower, December 15, 1978 pg.9

"Praise Jah, no more hunger; I knew he had a plan for all those famine stricken lands... kill the fatties!!"

If you're going for 'seconds,' you better think again. Don't you dare let anyone see you undo that top button on your pants! They have the green light to shun your fat ass; requiring you to invest in Weight Watchers to demonstrate your repentance. Jehovah will 'inspire' that judicial committee to make sure you agree to carrots, spinach and a treadmill... or they will keep shunning you.

Imagine a 'sister' at a judicial committee as one of the elders ask her..."now tell us about your dress size, has it dropped a couple sizes? Sister, there are reports that you have been wearing Spanks to the Kingdom Hall to hide your stomach."

Aside from the absurdity...and incredible humor... in these 'inspirations,' the true irony lies in the fact that many... and I mean MANY Jehovah's Witnesses are overweight!

Oddly enough, the Bible makes no comments on things such as smoking...but openly warns against overeating and over drinking. But attend any event, dinner, baby shower, picnic of Jehovah's Witnesses and prepare yourself to see several overweight people over indulging. Not only is their an abundance of food, but an overabundance of alcohol.

I served as an elder for over eleven years. The majority of men that I served with as 'shepherds of the flock' were very overweight. A couple of them were obese. Even worse, not only were they infamous for over-drinking, but their wives were notorious drunks. One bottle of wine leads to ten bottles of wine. Keep in mind the elders and their wives are required to be 'examples to the flock'... and in my experience here in the U.S., there couldn't be anything further from the truth.

Nonetheless, the 'inspired counsel' offered from the Watchtower above never comes into play. The rub comes when a baptized youth is caught trying a cigarette or wanting to play school sports. At that time he or she is hauled to the B School to be counseled by..... you guessed it..... none other then Brother Top Button Popped.

Young people begin to see the hypocrisy at a young age. They wonder "how is this man counseling me when he is doomed to a fireball shower for being ......fat?"

That never gets answered. But we are assured by the 'faithful slave' that Jehovah will take care of these people.....so famine can be abolished.

Thank you Governing Body!
Thank you Governing Body!
The Governing Body's latest attempt to control the minds of children.
The Governing Body's latest attempt to control the minds of children.
Sparlock... if you like this little guy, God hates you
Sparlock... if you like this little guy, God hates you
....however, Mickey Mouse has God's blessing? Huh?
....however, Mickey Mouse has God's blessing? Huh?

Sparlock: Poster Child for Evil!

Sparlock vs. Mickey Mouse: Apparently Satan vs. Jehovah?

The 2012 District Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses featured the release "Becoming Jehovah's Friend," a DVD, not coincidentally, made in striking similarity to today's popular Pixar movies for children. One viewing of the introduction, hosted by Governing Body member Anthony Morris, and you will see he admits that the 'cartoon' is designed to get into the minds and hearts of children.

The DVD has caused quite a stir. At the time, eight members of the Governing Body approved the release of this 'study aid.'... as they would tell you, with Jehovah God's blessing. However, one viewing and anyone with a brain is left to wonder "did the Governing Body have a bad cell connection the day they got this from Jehovah?"

This writer grew up sitting at meetings looking at the Paradise Lost, Paradise Restored book. Then, in what was one exciting move in 1978, the Bible Stories book. Both were perfect for the overactive mind of a boy who just wanted to be outside playing. They featured amazing 'kid friendly' illustrations like the examples you see here to the right: threatening to cut babies in half, tent pins through skulls, babies drowning because they didn't listen to Noah (never mind that they couldn't even walk or talk). I was always upset they didn't illustrate Jezebel after her window flight' getting eaten by the dogs like some good Puppy Chow. Bummer.

Both of those books kept me awake during meetings; but even more importantly, it instilled a subconscious fear in me towards God.

However, nothing made me laugh, cry and throw an adult temper tantrum like this DVD. If you haven't had the pleasure of watching this full length masterpiece, I encourage you to do so. A person can still find it on YouTube and other online pages. When first released at the District Convention, the Legal Department of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society went into overdrive to remove any showing of a DVD they claimed you could get for free at a Kingdom Hall. Ironic? Not when you consider the contents and the blatant efforts to instill fear in small children!

Seeing is believing. My favorite scene is the young boy, Caleb, imagining his toy in the clutches of Satan, who is by the way, still a snake as he was in the Garden of Eden. But Caleb has been taught to punch him in the face.

The implication, or should I say, the moral behind "Lesson 2" of the DVD, is that playing with toys or enjoying anything associated with the word 'magic' means "Jehovah is sad with you"...and by extension, you cannot be "Jehovah's friend." Caleb's mother shows him a picture of Adam & Eve old and dying. Then they both go out to the garbage can and throw away the evil, wizard Sparlock.

While some may think 'big deal' ... my mind went immediately to something else: This clearly means Jehovah's Witnesses cannot be Jehovah's friend if they go to Disneyland or watch Disney movies. Any association with the "Magic Kingdom", filled with sorcerers, talking animals, wizards, witches, spells, flying fairies, boys that fly and never age, haunted houses... would clearly mark someone as an 'enemy of God'... Caleb was saved from one evil toy... but watching Aladdin or Snow White would be a clear affront to God! Fantasia? Mary Poppins? Pinocchio? Rafiki in Lion King? All in the clutches of Satan, the serpent seen holding Sparlock in the DVD.

And yet.....

... the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses in the U.S. and Europe love and buy Disney movies! They take week long trips to Disneyland. Their kids have Disney figures and princess parties. They wear shirts with Disney characters on them. I know of some families that have annual passes to the Disney parks! Many of those going to Disneyland and watching the movies are elders, ministerial servants and pioneers!

Oh the irony.

Those that have this DVD from the District Convention literally have it on their entertainment centers... sitting right next to Frozen... the story of a girl with magical powers to turn everything into ice. Meanwhile, Sparlock has become a celebrity for the 'apostate' community.

No confusion there if you're the child in a Witness family. Lesson 2 should actually be entitled "Hypocrisy 101: Lessons from the Faithful Slave."

The theme of the DVD sums it up best: "listen, obey and blessed"......it sounds an awful lot like 'shut up, do what your told...and you won't get hurt"

This is perfectly okay.......
This is perfectly okay.......
...this represents an evil pagan celebration. Right?
...this represents an evil pagan celebration. Right?
The 1983 brochure that highlighted: No birthdays, no school sports, no school activities, no college = no self esteem.... no life
The 1983 brochure that highlighted: No birthdays, no school sports, no school activities, no college = no self esteem.... no life

Birthday Party's, Wedding Rings..and Christianity ala Carte

Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to celebrate birthdays or holidays. Witness children are taught at a young age that any mention of a birthday while at school and they are to ask the teacher to be excused. They aren't to touch any of the elements of a birthday, including singing, giving gifts or......GASP.....eating a piece of cake!

As one might imagine, this is very damaging to a child and has resulted in a lot of embarrassment for many a school age Witness. But it doesn't stop there: a Jehovah's Witness that is caught celebrating a birthday or recognizing their child ... or ANYONE as special on their day of birth can be disfellowshipped (shunned) from the congregation and labeled as someone doomed to destruction.

This only becomes funny when you ask a Jehovah's Witness, often times baptized for decades and out claiming they can help YOU learn the Bible, WHY they don't celebrate birthdays...and you find they have absolutely NO idea why.

Birthday's are the perfect subject to study if you want to see how the 'faithful and discreet slave' (read Governing Body) come up with their doctrines and beliefs.

For those that actually can answer the question, they usually reply with the following:

  • The only birthday's mentioned in the Bible had bad endings
  • They are pagan!

Let's take the first one. Note how the Watchtower leadership shares what they call "inspired" information from God:

“The Bible reports only two birthday celebrations, both of persons who were not servants of the true God. The first was that of Pharaoh of Egypt. It was marked by the hanging of Pharaoh’s baker, who had been in prison with Joseph. … The second, some 1,800 years later, was the birthday of Herod Antipas [during which the daughter of Herodias asked for] ‘The head of John the baptizer.’ … Is it just coincidental that they are mentioned and that both were for persons not having God’s approval? Or could it be that Jehovah deliberately had these details recorded in his Word, which he says is “beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight”?” Watchtower July 15th, 1980 page 30-31

It's an excellent example of how the Governing Body comes up with a 'doctrine' that is not condemned, nor commented on by God or the Bible. Neither of these events were featured in the Bible as a warning against birthday parties. Never do we find God, his Son or anyone else saying "don't celebrate your birthday!"

Isn't that "going beyond the things written"...something the Apostle Paul condemned? (see 1 Corinthians 4:6)

Bad things happen in automobiles too, should driving them be condemned? You can burn your hand on a stove, should you stop cooking?

Furthermore, the example of Joseph validated he walked with the true God and had the power of prophecy. He was then moved into a position of power in Egypt! As for John the Baptist,he was a key component in the early formation of Christianity... the party.. that he wasn't even at, had nothing to do with overall conclusion. The story featured people who were power hungry and sought revenge. Not a condemnation of birthdays.

And now for the second claim: The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has pummeled the average Witness with how "pagan" birthday parties are; that they are pagan and part of false religion.

However, nothing is more bizarre and grossly hypocritical than the fact that, while the Watchtower condemns birthdays based on pagan roots, they allow and encourage other 'pagan' practices as normal and having God's blessing. Consider a few:

  • Shaving your face - despite openly pagan by the Bible's standards, men are actually REQUIRED to shave as a Jehovah's Witness
  • Calendar -- openly pagan, with each month named after a God or Roman emperor. Believe it or not, they actually tried to create their own calendar. You can see it, complete with new monthly names in all their glory, in the 1935 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses. They gave up on that one quickly.
  • Days of the Week - All pagan gods, but they still use them
  • Eye makeup - It was used by pagan's and used to ward off evil spirits. You never saw a Jew or Christian in eye make up. (need I mention Jezebel again?) I'm thankful Witness women practice this pagan no-no.
  • Lipstick - pagan, prostitutes used lipstick to indicate they would perform oral sex. Yes, the 'sisters' in any western congregation can be seen wearing lipstick... but trust me, none of them are having oral sex.
  • Circumcision - It was used long before the Jew's claimed it, having it's roots in snake worship in ancient Egypt

These are but a few examples of 'pagan' practices Jehovah's Witnesses recognize and practice on a daily basis, But my personal favorite is their view on all things marriage or weddings. While they are vehemently condemning birthdays, they have no problem participating in openly pagan practices in their weddings. Consider a few examples:

  • Wedding ring - pagan symbol
  • Wedding dress - pagan
  • Bridal veil - used to ward off evil spirits
  • Bouquet - originally created and carried to ward off demons from the bride
  • Tossing the bouquet - the opportunity for guests to get a 'piece' of the lucky bride
  • Bridesmaids - similar dresses to confuse evil spirits away from the bride
  • Wedding cake - cutting it, feeding it to each other and saving the top layer: all pagan

You will see most, if not ALL of these elements at a Witness wedding. However, the birthday party is pagan.... and this is blessed.

But...to be honest... I've always compared the bizarre obedience to everything anti-birthday to the Bible's open condemnation of getting drunk (or 'buzzed as many call it now). Trust me, Jehovah's Witnesses love to drink. Many drink daily and even more get drunk whenever they may feel like it.

The Bible, CONDEMNS drunkenness. God hates over drinking. Consider just one of the SEVENTY FIVE verses the Bible contains condemning getting drunk:

"Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality,*uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom." Galatians 5:19-21, NWT

Now, let's compare that to the Bible's 'warnings' on birthdays.

You guessed it. Not one verse. Nothing.

In fact, the Bible outright COMMANDS people to not judge others who choose to observe special days!! Romans 14:1-8 is a direct comment from the Apostle Paul to NOT get be concerned whether others observe special days or take part in special practices!

Nonetheless, every Jehovah's Witness will cling to this man made 'doctrine' to stay away from birthdays.... all the while, getting hammered on weekends.

It's a classic example of how this 'religion' has turned it's people's brains into mush. Hypocrisy personified. And God's view of a hypocrite?

'They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and not approved for good work of any sort.' - Titus 1:16, NWT

Many year's ago I coined the phrase "Christianity ala Carte" .....they pick and choose what they bless and condemn, without any input from God or the Bible. The Bible simply doesn't comment on such matters. Jesus encouraged people to use their conscience. The Governing Body wants to take that away.

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The tragedy in all of this is that people you love and respect fall prey to these mind control techniques.

The Bible itself openly warns mankind from EVER following another man; even one with a high and mighty title!

"Do not put your trust in princes; Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation." - Psalms 146:3, NWT

If people would obey that simple warning, they would take the time to examine the absurdity of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. Instead, you will find over 7 million claimed 'publishers' all living a life of hypocrisy. They not only deprive themselves of the gift of free will, but they teach their children, their neighbors and anyone that will listen, to do the same thing. They have trapped themselves in a self imposed prison of laziness and chosen ignorance.

One is left to wonder what a fat, Disney loving, Jehovah's Witness makes of all of this inspired 'light' from the 'faithful & discreet slave.'

I find myself wondering over a good steak while watching Frozen with my girlfriend's kids. You see...... I'm a ridiculously happy, free wielding pagan. ... And I hate weddings.

About the Author

Darrin Hart was a Jehovah's Witness for over 40 years, 16 of them as an appointed elder and ministerial servant. He is the author of Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses - Practical Thoughts To Help You Survive and Thrive. For more information, visit:

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    • Kiss andTales profile image

      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      Why do you slander God's name. You use his personal name for your hatred.

      Which he may give judgement to you not doing as Jesus did which to glorify his name.

      If you have a personal problem with humans that's fine but do not use the Almighty God's name for he has done only Good .

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      Darrin Hart 2 years ago

      As is true of most uneducated Jehovah's Witnesses, you live in a world of cognitive dissonance. There is nothing in this article that slanders a Creator.....rather it shows the blasphemous, cult-like control the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society holds on people like you. I hope you will break free from this absurdity before you find you've wasted years of your life. In addition, you may want to do some research on the definition of 'slander'....you misused it in your comment.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      Again you use God's name ,if I have a beef with a man or men I would not say all men are slanders ,and blasphemous , because you are calling all men that.

      But if you have a problem with a person in general then you use their personal name.

      You are putting God's personal name in your hatred or problem with individuals .

      For people are imperfect like yourself.

      But Jehovah is perfect in all things.

      King James Version De 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

      Reference Bible Isa 42:8 “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.

      King James Version Re 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

      Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads,

      Who's name do you have on your forehead since you are slandering this name Jehovah ?

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      Darrin Hart 2 years ago

      As a former long time elder, I"m going to guess you are a 'fringe' JW....based on your use of the King James instead of your new, silver NWT (which is awful).

      Again, arguing with someone that suffers from cognitive dissonance like yourself is a complete waste of time. You're loyal to a publishing company because you WANT to be loyal to a publishing company.

      It has nothing to do with God, His Son, angels or anyone else. There is no hatred in my article. None. Just stated facts you can find in your local congregation and Watchtower library.

      Enjoy your day! This life IS all there is :)

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      Thanks for not repeating God's name . Jehovah! I never stated my belief. But I believe in the scriptures and God's name. Which is in the Hebrew and Greek writing , over 7000 times , I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac,Jacob ,Moses , We must guard God's name and honor it .for the world has joined satan to misuse it. What ever your personal issue is with humans do not drag the heavenly Father 's name in it . You would be a sharer in satan's work.

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      Jacqui 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Interesting hub, Darrin. I did not know much of that about JWs. I was aware of the birthday/christmas banning etc, but not the background to the symbols we use for weddings etc as a race (rather than religion specific). Thanks for sharing this hub, from a place of personal knowledge.

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      Darrin Hart 2 years ago

      You're very welcome jlpark.....thank you for the kind words!

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      Shirley Johnson 2 years ago from Sallisaw, OK

      To people worldwide, your article is a wise piece of information. We must get out there to people about these cults and occults. Thank you for writing as accurately, yet understandable, as you did.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      To Shirley J Johnson

      What is an occult ?

      The Wilkipedia simply explains it.

      Occult

      For other uses, see Occult (disambiguation).

      The occult (from the Latin word occultus "clandestine, hidden, secret") is "knowledge of the hidden".[1] In common English usage, occult refers to "knowledge of the paranormal", as opposed to "knowledge of the measurable",[2] usually referred to as science. The term is sometimes taken to mean knowledge that "is meant only for certain people" or that "must be kept hidden", but for most practicing occultists it is simply the study of a deeper spiritual reality that extends beyond pure reason and the physical sciences.[3] The terms esoteric and arcane have very similar meanings, and in most contexts the three terms are interchangeable.[4][5]

      It also describes a number of magical organizations or orders, the teachings and practices taught by them, and to a large body of current and historical literature and spiritual philosophy related to this subject.

      Jehovah Witnesses do not hide anything ,they are at the doors as Jesus taught them to do when he walked the earth. 10:1a Mr 6:7 He now summoned the Twelve and started sending them out two by two, and he gave them authority over the unclean spirits.

      So that is one rule you can go by.

      Next it mentions magic they do not practice it nor do they support people that do. Reference Bible 2Ch 33:6 And he himself made his own sons pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinʹnom, and practiced magic and used divination and practiced sorcery and made spiritistic mediums and professional foretellers of events. He did on a grand scale what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, to offend him.

      How do we know they are doing Gods work ,Reference Bible Isa 43:10 “YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.

      the message they bring

      Is by this command

      Reference Bible Mt 24:14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

      Wwwjworg tell you the truth .the truth is not found here in this hub.

      This hub has some personal issues that do not have anything to do with God Jehovah as scriptures point out. Read and learn who they really are .

      Would you accept Jesus at your door. Then if you do you will accept who comes in his behalf of truth.

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      Darrin Hart 2 years ago

      Kiss and Tales,

      There is nothing 'personal' about the facts found in this article. As is always he case with Jehovah's Witnesses (I know, I served as an elder for many years), they 'pick and choose' that which they want to apply and that which they want to ignore. You would have us believe that Jesus is now asking you to promote his 'website' to the world. It is absurd, as is the long history of mistakes, lies and outright deception the Jehovah's Witnesses have taught the world.

      For example: what have YOU done to go back to each and every person that listened to your message that the 'generation' of 1914 would not pass away before a paradise earth was ushered in? My guess: absolutely nothing. Despite the fact JW's claimed that listening to their message was a matter of life and death........ it was all a fairy tale. Now there is 'overlapping generations'.......only those poor souls suffering from cognitive dissonance would believe the 100% incorrect messages of Jehovah's Witnesses.

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      Darrin Hart 2 years ago

      Thank you Shirley.....my only hope is that it will help at least ONE person.....

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      Shirley Johnson 2 years ago from Sallisaw, OK

      Darrin, you've have opened many eyes to the Truth (Jesus, the Christ). To know Jesus is to love Jesus and to love the world. Why do I believe what I do? Because I know Whom I serve. I serve a risen Savior. I serve Jesus, the Christ, the King, the Lord. I celebrate His life through my life as a servant here on Earth. I take no glory for myself; but, rather, give glory to God because His love endures forever. I pray always that those who see me and know me, and those who don't, would see the Father in me. Again, you have brought to the Light that which was dark. Thank you.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      To Shirley you are correct about love ! For God is love. And I think that it is important to focus love on Jesus as you have stated, and the one who made him possible ,Reference Bible Joh 14:28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOUloved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.

      Also as stated

      Reference Bible Mt 22:37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’

      Reference Bible Mt 22:38 This is the greatest and first commandment.

      Reference Bible Mt 22:39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’

      Notice Jesus did not include himself . Because of his love for Jehovah!

      If you miss that important part then all is in vain.

      Where has this hub did these words of Jesus. Has it glorified God 's Name?

      Does it show love to these people he labels as occult when that is a total lie. Because they are not secret, and they do not practice magic,

      Anything you want to know is available .there is a worldwide website called wwwjworg. This is not a secret acult .Next what ever his personal problem is and what ever reason he is bashing , he leaves that part out .if you continue to believe his words ask him why he really separated his self. And it is not what he is saying in his hub. He is holding back.

      And it sounds like he has problem with certain people but he is bashing everybody Even the God we worship because he keeps including his name.

      That is like a student who runs into a personal problem at school and he does not like how the office handles the problem and so he lashes out at all teachers students, and all principles ,when they do not know the case at all.

      If you really love Jesus then you will remember this

      Reference Bible Mt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

      That Name is Jehovah!

      And the son is Jesus!

      There is no hope in separating them because they work together

      The next thing is who are the survivors after the end?

      What mark will they have ?

      Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

      Notice Jesus name and Jehovah's name together on their foreheads .

      There is no other doing the preaching work as Jesus command and showed the example to do but them, and the end has just about arrived.

      Reference Bible Mt 24:14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

      Also if you really love Jesus then why are you listening to this person.

      He is a man .

      You never go wrong listen to Jesus .

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      Shirley Johnson 2 years ago from Sallisaw, OK

      I hope you are not misunderstanding me in thinking that I am trying to convert to Jehovah's Witness. Oh boy, am I not!!!!!! I am Pentecostal through and through. I worship, on a personal level and as a corporate group within my church. To worship means to draw closer to Jesus, it is not the song service in which we sing on Sundays. Our song services are truly amazing and they make you more able to enter into the word of God that is presented during the "sermon". You are so set on not saying that Jehovah's Witness is not an occult. But, I must say that is as close to one as it can get; and it definitely is a cult. Any religion that picks and chooses what it wants out of the Bible is not of God. My husband, who has been born again for two years now, grew up in a Jehovah's Witness house. He has had nothing good to say about them. But, even when I was younger and was being taught at the lap of my mother, I knew the difference between "fake" religions and the One True God. Now, as an adult, when a Jehovah's Witness member comes to my door, I will say to him or her that I will be glad to listen to what they have to say, and I will even offer to take their pamphlet...with the condition that they have to give me the same amount of time to talk to them about my Bible and my God and they have to accept my pamphlet. Always, they decline the offer and leave.

      Now, if one wants to be my friend, and yet is Jehovah's Witness; okay. I can deal with that on some level. I respect, therefore expect respect. I love the sinner; but, hate the sin. That would go for any religion other than Christianity, even, dare I say it, a Muslim. Because that's the great beauty of our country. We have the freedom to choose our own religions without respect to anyone else. A freedom, by the way, that is protected by the men and women who comprise our United States military, of which my oldest son is now serving in. I salute the American flag and pledge allegiance to the same, as well as the Christian flag and the Holy Bible. Something yet again a Jehovah's Witness does not believe in doing. You want your freedom of religion; but, refuse to acknowledge those people or the flag of our country whose duty it is to protect that freedom.

      No sir, I am not trying to convert. Well, let me rephrase that. I will not transfer my religion from Christianity (Pentecostal) to Jehovah's Witness. However, if I might be able to lead you through the Valley of the Shadow of Death to the top of the mountain where God has much greater pasture for you, I will be more than happy to help you along the way.

      **Note: Please note, while emotions and facial expressions and body language cannot be solidified by the written form, my words are not to be taken as offensive...mostly my opinion on the subject. This is a problem with textual contact in lieu of face-to-face contact. Ergo, if I have offended you in any way, please accept my apologies.**

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      No Shirley you have not offended me . I appreciate you replying back and expressing your self.

      I just did not want you to be mislead by some one that has a personal situation that is trying to mislead others into that kind of hateful thinking.

      There is no love in bashing. So that speaks for itself.

      Where is his message of love for God. Where is his message for love of a Jesus ? He has none. That should tell you right there. And if he comes and and say it now ?he is to late. God and Jesus is always first .

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      Shirley Johnson 2 years ago from Sallisaw, OK

      To be true and fair to the author (Darin Hart), this was not a ministering hub, it was a tale of his experiences in this particular religion. It would be no different than if I were to do a similar hub based on my experiences in the Pentecostal world. There are some issues Pentecostals take with Baptists, some issues Baptists have with Methodists, some issues Methodists take with Seventh Day Adventist, some issues that Seventh Day Adventist take with Catholicism. Again, it's the freedom to choose one's own religion; even if that religion takes you to Guinea and makes you drink poisonous kool-aid. In fact, if you want to get to the heart of my issue, I take issue with a specific denomination, even a non-denominational classification; here's why:

      John 3:16--"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

      **Capitalization added for emphasis.**

      I am a 'whosoever', not a Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, Catholic or whatever. Being a whosoever, through my faith, trust and obedience to the calling and guiding of my Lord and Savior, Jesus, the Christ, I gain eternal life in paradise where I can sit, kneel, stand, fall prostrate at the feet of Jesus forever and ever.

      In closing, again, the author was not ministering or preaching, only telling of his experiences. I feel kudos are in order for his bravery in bringing such experiences to the public. As such, so do you, for sharing your faith and your experiences. As such, so do I, because, like you, I find my faith very important and worth debating. It is after all not my life in question by human (or man as you pointed out); but, my heart in question with God.

      Thank you for this chance to "debate" (I really don't know how else to explain this back and forth). It's nice to have such a conversation adult to adult unlike so many other conversations I have with "adults".

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      Thank you again for replying back. And you are very good at understanding .and I hope you can get some of the most wonderful information about our future ahead. If you really want to know about Jehovah witnesses then you should look at their lives in whole not based on one view .because that would not really be fair. So I invite you to go to the web site it is a library, it is a bible you can down load free , all is free .It is many things to help many people learn about Jesus, and Jehovah! Again wwwjworg open to the world ! Look how many languages ,look how many people ! You sound like you are a fair person if you see anything that would be wrong let you be the judge of that .not some one else.

      Take care Shirley and I hope love and happiness will always meet you KT!

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      Shirley Johnson 2 years ago from Sallisaw, OK

      You should probably be aware that I am a licensed minister in my faith. I check this websites constantly to stay abreast of what is and what isn't. However, it is a breath of fresh air, as I stated earlier, to be able to discuss with someone about an adult issue in an adult manner. As always, Jesus is our example of how to show love and compassion. And as I strive to do so, I also remember this great country from who I gain my rights and freedoms. I am not a "politically correct" person and will always say what I mean and mean what I say. In the view of politics, as we know it on this planet, I am strictly conservative. In the view of politics as a citizens of the Kingdom of God, my King politics are my politics. Please, have a wonderful night. My body is telling me it's time to get some sleep.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      Have a great night Shirley !

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      Gregory Jones 2 years ago from IL

      Thanks for writing this article. Several of my family are witnesses and this has been an eye opener for me. I look forward to reading your current and future articles on this subject.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      My family are Witnesses too ,And I know them better then a stranger on the internet making claims . I will always give my family more credit and president over strangers who just pop up on a site and say slanderous things that simply is not true . Better just to visit the sight jworg and learn for yourself.

      Then you can judge for yourself not by one person .

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      Darrin Hart 2 years ago

      Thank you Big Marble....I hope it will free someone from the pain that comes with being a Jehovah's Witness.

      KissandTales,

      There is nothing slanderous in this blog. In reference to JW.org, you're asking us to believe that Jesus suddenly decided the Internet was a great resource for saving people.... so he moved the Governing Body to go on a new Internet campaign.?? I was an elder and have been to Bethel....I assure you, your family is wasting their lives remaining loyal to this 'organization.'

      If you would answer me this: Is the 'faithful and discreet slave' that Jehovah's Witnesses hold as the highest authority on earth (based on Jesus words at Matthew 24;45-47).... a parable or a prophecy?

      This one answer solves any mystery on who Jehovah's Witnesses are....

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      To Big marble the greatest and most important thing we can be doing in our Lifetime is giving praise and honor to our Heavenly Father , Jehovah! The creator of life.

      New World Translation Re 14:1 Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

      There is no other faith that carry both names at the sane time that exist.

      Jehovah and Jesus . By means of them we will continue to live in the future.

      The bible also validates that a people for his name his name will exist.

      It does !

      New World Translation Ac 15:14 Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.

      That name is Jehovah.

      There is no one else who owns that name but our Heavenly Father .

      Do not let people come along and steal your treasure.

      New World Translation Re 20:15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire. (Not to exist again).

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      King James Bible left God's personal name in bible a few times , but Hebrew and Greek 7000 times showing the importance of that name. King James Version Ps 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

      That is what is more important the vindication of God's personal name. Not slandering it.

      May we never be behind the unforgivable .

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      Darrin Hart 2 years ago

      ...As is painfully obvious and very tragic, KissandTales avoids answering my question. For readers, this is a good example of how Jehovah's Witnesses stay away from the what is obvious to everyone else: they are a man directed cult.....nothing more.

      "Newer" JW's of the past 10 years are particularly naïve to the 'organizations' dealings and history.... they are taught to never ask or research.

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      anomoly 23 months ago

      Yes, they hate it when they are speaking to someone they can't back in a corner. I've seen it first hand and you just proved it again lol...If a JW has to think for themeselfs, they are out! They only throw verses and scriptures at people who are not well versed in the bible to yet again, elevate themselves. I know i know, all in the name of the cult. Got it!....

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      WhatIsTheTruth 18 months ago

      I have a friend who got into the JW organization and she is a completely different person now. It's like every conversation is always brought back to the organization and nothing else exists. I am all for religion and believing in God but this seems extreme. I am very disturbed by the fear they put in people, like youre either with us or youre wrong. What really bothers me is their ignorance of the cross and how Jesus was crucified. They claim he was killed on a stake. The proof they show is from the bible verses written by their own organization. They also say that people basically sleep in their graves until they are awaken during the Armageddon. Can you provide some more information on these two topics that prove they are against actual bible scripture?

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      Michael 12 months ago

      many historical untruths as in the case of the bridal bouquet: http://camaraphotographyevergreen.com/2012/04/30/w...

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      Michael 12 months ago

      any religion with such heavy control on human beings cannot be of God as God is very well part of human history. God is peace, love and freedom. so many things in the article are not historically true that it very construction is anti God as God is about truth. if lies are used to hold a people then it is a cult. sadly, many religious leaders who impose these heavy rules on their followers don't even follow them but use it to control those too weak to think about the true relationship God has with them. the first gift God gave human beings is that of rationality i.e. to THINK. when one thinks one can dismiss much of what is told to them under the guise of "God Command" sooooo sad the some manipulate bible content to control other human beings in a way which have absolutely nothing to do with Creator God of love and mercy

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