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Answering Questions About Mormonism 2

Updated on December 20, 2018
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Dr. David Thiessen is an educator, writer, pastor, and speaker. He has authored several books on a variety of topics including Archaeology

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This is Part 2 of a 2 part series on questions about Mormonism. If you have questions you would like answers on theology, The Bible, Archaeology, Evolution and other topics, feel free to ask them in the comment section.

I will write an article on one or more questions after I get some time and do a little research.

#1. Why won’t you let your daughter to date a Mormon?

It isn’t just our daughters that would be banned from dating a Mormon, our sons would be too. The reason for this objection is that the Bible is very clear that unbelievers should not be unequally yoked together. We would also extend that command to business partnerships and more. Mormons do not believe in the same God as Christians do thus they would be put in the unbeliever category despite their claims to having a religious faith.

#2. If God is a spirit, why did Moses say he saw God face to face?

When arguing against Christianity, people can get very literal just to prove to themselves that they have justification for not believing in Jesus. Moses used a term we are all familiar with and understand its meaning very well without confusion. Moses was in God’s presence and the two talked together. They had direct contact with no intermediaries in between.

#3. Why do you believe in a God who would send his children to an eternal hell?

God is not sending his children to hell. He is sending those humans who have rejected his call to be saved. God’s children are not physical children he reproduced in some physical form like the Mormon’s believe, but those who have repented from their sins and accepted Christ as their savior.

#4. If there is no baptism for the dead what about all those who have died without having heard the gospel?

Paul answered this question in Romans 1. God has provided enough signs and wonders to show those who have not heard that he exists.He also put a desire in their hearts to know him. Sadly, that desire gets co-opted by evil and men and women get led astray to false teachings. Salvation is through Jesus Christ alone,by faith with grace. Once a person dies, faith is no longer needed. Reality sets in and the person’s chance for salvation is over. Baptism for the dead is a faulty theology giving false hopes to parents, children and others.

#5. Wouldn’t you like to have your marriage and family endure for all eternity?

This plea to the emotions is not well founded. First, off, how do the Mormons know that their families and marriage will endure for all eternity? They still haven’t shown one iota of proof that their ideology is correct. Second, marriage is only for life on earth and marriage, while as good as it can be, is not the most important relationship we are to have. Our relationship with Jesus and God is more important.

Then when all family members are saved, they will get to be in heaven for all eternity.

#6. Why should a rational person trust in a Bible that has been corrupted?

The Bible has not been corrupted and anyone who says it has is calling God a liar and a failure. God promised to preserve his word for all time and if the Bible has been corrupted then God lied and failed to keep his promise. There are those throughout history who have sought to alter what the Bible says but Gd still preserves his word and we can find it today intact. We favor 3 versions, possibly 4, NASB, KJV, NIV 2011 and possibly the NKJV.

The only person who claims that the Bible had been corrupted was Joseph Smith. He did so without any evidence to support his claim.

#7. How do you account for Joseph Smith’s first vision?

This is very simple to answer. Smith was a known con man and even went to prison for it. His first vision was easily a lie or evil spirits appeared to him as an angel of light and deceived him. Given the fact that no one saw this vision, and no evidence exists to support it, we can dismiss it with ease.

#8. What about the other witnesses who claimed to see the golden plates?

There are several rebuttals to this question out there. First, most if not all of those witnesses later recanted their testimony. Second, it is not hard to trick some people into thinking they saw the golden plates. BUT the real question is, why were they taken back into heaven? If they were so important to the Mormon faith and re-establishing the one true religion why remove them from earth?

People could study them and double-check Smith’s translation to see if he got it correct. The removal of the plates seems to be a strategy of Smith to keep people from learning the truth– that there were no golden plates and that he was lying to the people.

#9. What about the archaeology supporting the Book of Mormon?

There is absolutely no archaeological evidence supporting one word, one sentence, one chapter or one book of the book of Mormon. Also, there is no such thing as reformed Egyptian as Smith like to claim. Oh and you cannot even do an excavation on Mt. Cumorah. The site of the big battle where hundreds of thousands of people from 2 societies Smith said fought and died there. It is fenced off and no one is allowed, including Mormon archaeologists, to dig there.

If the book of Mormon were true, then why can’t anyone dig at that site? why can’t we see the golden plates?

#10. Why do you have difficulty accepting Joseph Smith as a true prophet of god?

Because he wasn’t. There is no ancient faith like the Mormon ideology to be restored. There is no such thing as reformed Egyptian. There was no exodus to South America or Central America by Jewish people. There was no big battle in New York State. Also, Smith preached a different gospel than the one Jesus and the disciples brought. Smith is and was not of or from God.

Bonus question & answer

#11. Why would Joseph Smith be willing to die as a martyr if he didn’t believe God spoke to him?

There is no real evidence stating that he was willing to die as a martyr, or that he died a martyr’s death. He died in prison on other charges. He was not killed for his faith. There is also no evidence that Smith wanted to die as a martyr. He may have claimed it but saying and doing are two different things. He also was a con man and to keep the con going he had to act like the person he claimed to be. That does not mean he was the person he claimed to be.

© 2018 David Thiessen

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    • Perspycacious profile image

      Demas W Jasper 

      13 months ago from Today's America and The World Beyond

      Do you state anywhere that you have actually read "The Book Of Mormon", or which denomination of Christianity you are a licensed pastor for?

    • david tee profile imageAUTHOR

      David Thiessen 

      17 months ago from Philippines

      We do not have common beliefs and ponying up does not mean restating superfluous statements that have no evidentiary support.

      Smith was in jail at the time he was shot, your revisionist style does not cover the facts. No once [people are dead faith is no longer needed. You are reading into the passage what you want it to say.

      So in other words you will only read what your Mormon leaders tell you to read. That is being brainwashed and not getting to the truth.

      I have the truth I won't be changing Mormonism is a cult, a lie and wrong. it is no where near Christian and its members are not Christian. Oh and there is no such thing as Reformed Egyptian. Smith lied about that as well.

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      Mark Richardson 

      17 months ago from Utah

      To "pony up", I am revisiting some things in this article:

      2. God is a Spirit, but also has a body. Just like you are a spirit but have a body too.

      4. People have a chance to accept or reject it in the next life. Jesus taught the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19, 1 Peter 4:6). If everything was clear for all after he died, why would he have done that?

      5. See Mark 10:9-What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

      1 Cor. 11:11-Neither is the man without the woman in the Lord. Matt. 16:19 Whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven (also see Matt.18:18). A man shall be joined until his wife...be one flesh (Eph.5:31).

      1 Peter 3:7-Heirs together of the grace of life.

      11. Did you know that Joseph Smith was shot and killed? You thought he died in prison? At age 38?

      This may help...Although you disagree and cannot see it or understand it, our other teachings have the same principles as taught in the Bible. Compare the letter of the law (Jewish law from the Old Testament) and the spirit of the law as taught by Jesus (from the New Testament). The law has a lot to do with what not to do. With the Spirit, the foundation is about principles and things that we should do. While many people/denominations discard the OT, we look at everything as a whole (along with modern revelation). Philippians 4:8 points out to seek after the good.

      I just want to reiterate that I have closely examined my beliefs. Much of the smut that was published about Joseph Smith was from early leaders that got kicked out of the church such as early apostle William Earl McLellin. I could tell you more if you are interested. If I were to read "anti-Mormon" literature, it would be like me looking at pornography to make sure that it is bad. I already know it is. I don't need to look at it to know for sure.

      I do not know what you would consider sufficient evidence about Joseph Smith. In regards to Polygamy, I could refer you to friendly sources that could better address it, but I don't think you are interested in that. What I would say is that he had people sealed to him as a parent as they were disowned from their family, so an eternal sealing and not a marriage. There is no proof such as DNA that he had children with any other women. I acknowledge that Joseph Smith was not open about polygamy (as Brigham Young was), but I choose to believe that he did that out of respect. You may not believe that it was a test and not about sex, but I choose to believe differently.

      So we both may be banging our heads on the wall as neither of us are likely to change. I just don't like it when I feel like my faith is being criticized. On the other hand, if you had sincere questions about things that you didn't understand (versus statements of opinion where you have consulted critics instead of going to sources from our faith. In that way, it is biased). I do not believe in the breakoff groups that still practice polygamy. If I don't want to believe, I can read material that criticizes their leaders and beliefs. If I was sincere and wanted to know, I would need to find out their side and go to their meetings, etc.

      In closing, I respect your faith in Jesus Christ. We have common beliefs. I hope that we can be civil.

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      David Thiessen 

      17 months ago from Philippines

      I do not need to do your work. if you cannot present the real evidence do not tell me to go do it. Its your points it is your responsibility to provide the evidence.

      So far all you have said are platitudes and issue avoiding statements that do not support your position.

      Smith did not restore anything but used his con man skills to have sex with a bunch of women, some who were underage and others who were married to others.

      You have made no case for your religion. So if you want to continue here, you better start ponying up.

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      Mark Richardson 

      17 months ago from Utah

      What issues am I avoiding? I have examined my beliefs very closely and I do so constantly & often. I have been converted through the manifestations and teachings of the Holy Ghost. I think you’re too scared to deviate from tradition. The gospel is a gospel of love, not hatred.

      Joseph Smith was arrested by ignorant savages who felt threatened by the growth of the church. Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost were separate beings. He restored the Priesthood. He predicted the Civil War. He saw that God the Father. He helped to restore the Church of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 4) to have Apostles and other leaders. He taught that revelation from God was possible. The church is alive, not dead. There is much more, but you would have to ask God (James 1:5) by overcoming your preconceived notions and misconceptions that you have either heard from others or you have listened to those preaching hate against my church. Rarely are people objective to it.

      Tell me…what did he do that you see as criminal? Was not Peter and Paul thrown in jail?

      For archeology, as I said in my other comment on part 1, you can google it.

      The only way to corroborate is to try living the restored gospel or at least learning from it. I cannot deny the power of the Holy Ghost witnessing to me of the truth.

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      David Thiessen 

      17 months ago from Philippines

      I do not see you putting up any defense. I see you avoid the issues as quickly as you can. You are someone who is too scared to closely examine your beliefs.

      You have made no good argument to support your claim that Smith was a prophet of God. He was arrested for criminal activity that is not the behavoir of a prophet of God.

      I know you have blind faith because I can see it in your words. Mormonism has not one shred of archaeological evidence supporting anything Smith said. Without corroboration how can his words be true?

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      Mark Richardson 

      17 months ago from Utah

      I do not need to see/feel the golden plates to know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. One cannot see/touch their brain, so how do you know that they have one? I have not seen God, but I know He lives through my experiences and through my faith.

      I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God because his teachings about Jesus Christ are true. The truths restored through Joseph Smith have made me a better Christian and a better person. With additional scripture, it clarifies the Gospel and is easier to understand. Saying that I have blind faith is ignorant and may even be considered offensive. I have questioned various things through my life, but I have found my faith to be in something that I have found for myself to be true. I live by the faith that I have found. Were it not so, I could just get "saved" and justify bad behavior.

      Have you read the Book of Mormon with an open mind? Have you attended any of our meetings? Have you met with our missionaries? No offense, but if not, I would say that you are going by what people have said and that you are blind to the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. Have you considered that you may be leading people astray with articles that attack my religion/faith/church?

      Let me make a comparision...let's compare faith/religion to languages. If you only speak English (let's say that is mainstream Christianity) and I speak several languages (the restored gospel). You may be perfectly happy speaking just English (I believe that you will not go to Hell for what you believe and you will be with Christ in the next life). With me speaking many languages, does that make me better than you? I would say not. But I know more and it will bless my life for it and there will be greater blessings in the life to come. You can be happier. But again, you are free to believe what you believe and you can be perfectly happy with what you have.

      I am defending my faith. My intention is not to attack others who believe differently. But thank you for your faith in the Lord.

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      David Thiessen 

      17 months ago from Philippines

      @Richardson- if you cannot produce the golden plates, then you cannot verify that Smith was right. We have ancient biblical documents that show the Bible is correct and we can always check up on Bible teachers to make sure they are correct.

      Your blind faith shows a willingness to be ignorant and a refusal to challenge what your teachers claim

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      Mark Richardson 

      17 months ago from Utah

      Dr. Thiessen-

      You are in the Philippines? Perhaps you are a missionary. Have you tried balut? I hear it is good. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a strong presence in the Philippines. There are many wards (congregations), missions, and temples in the Philippines. Thank you for your additional article. As with your other article, you are sharing your opinions. I am not here to argue, but to defend my faith.

      Most people believe in a supreme beings, they just call Him by different names.

      Eternal marriage is through Priesthood authority.

      As you mentioned in your last article, I may suggest focusing on what you believe in instead of what you are against.

      The argument about the gold plates being present...the gospel is about faith (See Hebrews 11), not needing physical evidence in order to believe such as with the Apostle Thomas.

      I have some questions for you...

      What about James 2 (Faith without works is dead) and Revelation 20 (we are judged by our works)?

      Is God just if He allows anyone who recites a few lines to have no accountability for their actions? If that is the case, why would those who are saved still be on the earth instead of being taken up to God? Didn't Jesus Christ invite the Apostles to follow Him? When He did, they dropped their nets and followed Him. They didn't just waive and say that they were saved.

      Wouldn't the true church (if you believe in one) have the name of Jesus Christ (Eph. 5:23)?

      Wouldn't the true church have Apostles and prophets (Eph.2:19-20)?

      Wouldn't the true church be united and claim to have the truth (Eph. 4:5)?

      I am curious...what is your personal experience is with "Mormons"? Did one or more upset you?

      My belief is not based on logical evidence, but upon faith and how Jesus Christ, through His Church and Gospel, has made me into a better follow of Him.

      Many of the things that people have a problem with may just be theories that leaders have said many years ago and many "anti-Mormons" twist what is said and take things out of context. Many of the things that crtitics focus on does not pertain to my salvation. The Gospel is so simple that it makes sense to the children I teach at church, while baffling many that would be considered scholars and many theorize on many things. I would call this "Deep Doctrine". I am learning that "Deep Doctrine" are often just theories and become fodder for those who do not believe and they mock us for that.

      I went to a viewing last week for a cousin that had died. I saw many relatives there and I was happy instead of sad. I cannot imagine Heaven without being around my family.

      When I have told the story about Joseph Smith's vision, the telephone would often ring. This tells me that Satan does not want people to believe. Consider the parable of the sewer. There was a also a peaceful feeling when I would share it. Satan cannot give us peace.

      I am not attacking you, but I just do not think that you have sincerely tried to know if these things are true. You have gotten hung up on things you have heard or read. I do not want to attack the faith of others. If someone comes to me about another faith, it is best to focus on common beliefs. Would you go to a Christian to find out about Buddhism or Hinduism? It is best to go to the source.

      -Mark

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      David Thiessen 

      2 years ago from Philippines

      Newsweek: Do you think a Mormon is a Christian?

      Carter: Yes, I do. I have a cousin who is a Mormon and she married one of the Marriott family. I don’t know anyone who’s more devout in their faith than she and her family. I admire them very much.

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      Liz Westwood 

      2 years ago from UK

      I am surprised that President Carter, as a Baptist, has said that.

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      David Thiessen 

      2 years ago from Philippines

      Former President Carter has claimed that Mormons are Christian but they actually do not follow the Bible or the words of Christ

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      Liz Westwood 

      2 years ago from UK

      You give a very reasoned analysis. Mormonism is not big in the UK. But I remember wondering what it was when I found out the Osmonds were Mormons.

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