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Are followers of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam praying to the same God?

Updated on June 10, 2013

“If England and America are two countries separated by a common language,” then Judaism and Christianity are two religions separated by a common Abraham." — George Bernard Shaw

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The three Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam trace their origin to the covenant that God made with Abraham. Yet, the characters and teachings of the God of these 3 religions seem so disparate that one wonders whether they are one and the same God.

This hub looks at the characters and attributes of the 3 Gods in order to highlight the major differences.

Yahweh in Judaism

Judaism is NOT a religion for everyone because it is a covenantal relationship between Yahweh and the Children of Israel. The Old Testament tells the Israelites that if anyone should try to secretly seduce them by saying: "Let us go and serve other Gods, ... you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh, your God." In that the covenant is only between Yahweh and the Children of Israel, Yahweh is a racist and communal God.

Deuteronomy 6:15 of the Old Testament says: "For the LORD, thy God, is a jealous God among you, lest the anger of the LORD, thy God, be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth." To this, Richard Dawson, author of the book, "The God Delusion", says: "The God of the Old Testament has got to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction, jealous and proud of it, petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist... an ethnic cleanser, urging his people on to acts of genocide."

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Amazing Differences Between Christianity & Judaism! - Rabbi M. Skobac

Yahweh and Trinity in Christianity

Christians believe in a triune God. Wikipedia says: "The Incarnation in traditional Christianity is the belief that Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity, also known as God, the Son, or the Logos (Word), "became flesh" by being conceived in the womb of a woman, the Virgin Mary, also known as the Theotokos (God-bearer)."

John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

1 Peter 2:24 says: "He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed." To this, Richard Dawson says: "The heart of New Testament theology, invented after Jesus's death, is St. Paul's nasty, masochistic doctrine of atonement for original sin. The idea is that God had himself reincarnated as a man, Jesus, in order that he should be hideously tortured and executed to redeem our sins... not just the original sin of Adam and Eve, but future sins as well, whether we decide to commit them or not."

Unlike the God of Judaism, where Leviticus 24 says:

"And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death. Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God."

Matthew 5:39 of the New Testament says: "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."

If you had no idea at all that the God of Judaism is the same God as the Christian God, would you have believed that they are one and the same God?

Three Things You (Probably) Don't Know About Islam

Allah in Islam

By Muslim tradition, Allah has 99 names. Many of these names are similar to those used by Christians to refer to Yahweh, e.g. "Holy", "Creator", "All-Hearing", "All-Seeing", and "Utterly Just". However, Allah also has other names that sound offensive and are often softened in the English translation of Islamic publications, e.g. "Deceiver" is translated as "Planner". Names such as these could never have been attributed to Yahweh. To resolve this dilemma, Islam says that Allah’s attributes are extensions of his will, and not extensions of his person: “His attributes are viewed as subject to His will and not to His nature.”

In Surah Az-Zumar 39:53 of the al-Qur'an, Allah says:

"O my servants! who have acted extravagantly against their own souls, do not despair of the mercy of Allah; surely Allah forgives the faults altogether; surely He is the Forgiving the Merciful."

I have tried to read the al-Qur'an on my own and I must admit that the feeling is not good at all, with every other sentence seemingly a threat of punishment to non-Muslims. Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy confirms my uneasy feelings when he says: "About 61% of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6% of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About 75% of Muhammad's biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers."

Throughout the holy text, the al-Qur'an seems to be saying that if you do not become a Muslim, then Allah will punish you with eternal hellfire. How could such a God be loving or compassionate, except to only His own followers?

The al-Qur'an also says:

"Nothing is right or wrong by nature, but becomes such by the fiat of the Almighty. What Allah forbids is sin, even should he forbid what seems to the human conscience right and lawful. What Allah allows is not sin and cannot be sin at the time he allows it, though it may have been before or after."

Surah 13:39 further says: "Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book." Allah is therefore free to “abrogate” the truth or obligations of earlier revelations by way of subsequent revelations. He is also free to forgive or condemn a sinner, or else to to do the opposite as it so pleases Him.

Conclusion

Abraham is said in the Bible to have lived in the 2nd millennium, and so the the founding of Judaism and the founding of Christianity was less than 2,000 years apart, while that between the founding of Christianity and the founding of Islam was about 650 years apart. These durations may seem long by human standards, but are a mere blink of an eye in cosmic time.

Had it not been for the fact that Islam admits that God can change his Will anytime, I would have thought that the 3 Gods of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are 3 different Gods altogether. Yet given the short time span between the changes of God's Will, I can only conclude that God is very fickle-minded... either that, or more unpalatably, He's suffering from a very severe case of bipolar mood disorder... a blasphemy! How then can one explain a God who had himself reincarnated as a man in order that he should be hideously tortured and executed to redeem our sins, and then 650 years later, called for the violent conquest of infidels? One has only to open our eyes and mind to see the difference in personality between the God of the three Abrahamic religions in order to realize that it would make another good Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde story.

Is it any wonder, then, that the followers of the three Abrahamic religions cannot get along with each other, much less, see eye to eye? As a matter of fact, I would be very surprised if they do!

Personally, I would prefer to consider them as 3 different Gods, but that's not what the Scriptures say.

The Difference Between Islam, Christianity and Judaism

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You have done your research well my friend, and you raise valid points. As for me....any religion is good if one lives by the basic principles of love and brotherhood....and no religion is good if one lives by the basic principles of love and brotherhood. :)

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      LOL, Billybuc... it sounds so contradictory and yet so true. In short, it doesn't really matter whether religion exists or not, as far as love and brotherhood is concerned. But "when it is a question of money, everybody is of the same religion", says Voltaire.

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      Bill Russo 4 years ago from Cape Cod

      Well done Walter. To try to build a bridge between these disparate philosophies is like trying to run a railway to the sun. It cannot be done.

      I fear that our only hope for unity and harmony on this planet, is for us to be attacked by beings from another orb.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Billrrr, you make me laugh with your "only hope for unity and harmony on this planet, is for us to be attacked by beings from another orb." Richard Dawkins, a celebrated Oxford professor and author of the bestseller, "The God Delusion", contends that the world would be better off and more peaceful without religion.

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      M. T. Dremer 4 years ago from United States

      Well stated and researched. I'm convinced that the core of hate and intolerance is a lack of understanding. We fear what we do not know, and the only way to combat that fear is to learn. This subject was explored on an episode of the show "30 Days" where a Christian man lived with a Muslim family for a month. It was fascinating to watch and I recommend it to anyone who is willing to check it out.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      M. T. Dremer, thanks for dropping by. To me, the core of hate and intolerance is a lack of understanding that religion is merely a vehicle to attain spirituality and not an end in itself. To quarrel over which religion is better is like quarreling over whether vehicles made by General Motors are better than those made by Ford.

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      Dear Mr. Poon,

      Cherry picking verses out of holy writ to serve a certain psyche does not lead to perspective and wholesome evaluation. And, regret to say, is shallow.

      The prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) worked hard for peace with pacts, accords, pledges, treaties and even went to battle for the sake of freedom. His emphasis on knowledge and wisdom was so great that his devout followers laid the foundation for scientific discovery and progress that the Richard Dawkins ideology is so fond of touting as alternative validation to religion. Same goes for people like Sir Isaac Newton, Einstein and Dr. Abdus Salaam who subscribed to God and religion and looked for guidance there. When I read the Quran I come away with entirely opposite notions than yourself and Dr. Moorthy. I am not looking for statistics but what Allah actually says in the Quran:

      Allah says in the Quran that the sanctity of human life is so great that killing one person unjustly is like killing all humanity. He says His mercy prevails His wrath. He says He is Most Merciful, Most Beneficent repeatedly and always before He says that He is severe in punishment. The Quran’s admonishment to disbelievers has to be vetted with the fact that there is ultimately no compulsion to accept the religion. If God admonishes His creation for error and deviance then He does so with full knowledge of what is really inside their hearts per our belief. He gave us life and conscience and faculty and endowment. If people choose to carry attitude against Him, then this judgment sits between them and God.

      One must also reflect on the prophecy and covenant where God promised prophet Abraham (pbuh) to be the father of mankind. It has come true. The Abrahamic religions now constitute the majority of the world population. So, it is one God.

      Also, both Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) have prophesized the corruption that will inflict their followers who sometimes form the pretext for negative opinion on religion.

      These are some dimensions that can enrich context and foster depth in perspective and evaluation. Again, selective discourse is best avoided.

      Good day Sir, and if I may, the peace and blessings of the Lord of the Worlds be with you.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Amer7862, thank you very much for your Islam-centric views. Never mind whether it is cherry-picking... if you say I'm cherry-picking, so are you. I would like to know whether the section on Islam is correctly quoted... that is more important.

      You mentioned: "... Einstein and Dr. Abdus Salaam who subscribed to God and religion and looked for guidance there." I don't know who the doctor is but I am sorry to say that Einstein never believed in God, as you know it. Einstein said: "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      The verse of the Quran emphasizing the sanctity of human life is in 5:32. 6:54 has the verse with the Allah’s rule of mercy. The ‘My Mercy prevails My wrath’ is from a hadith or saying of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). All of the chapters of the Quran begin with “In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful”. In verse 5:98 while Allah says He is severe in punishment, but at the same time is forgiving and merciful to those willing to truly repent.

      Also, the Quran clearly calls Christians and Jews as earlier recipients of revelations. It makes belief in the Gospels and Torah as a required Article of Faith. It says that messengers, known and unknown, have been sent to every community. It is clear in its pronouncement of the unity of God—a core and central tenant.

      If that is all the Spinoza’s God reveals then it isn’t complete. When seeking God, I would want to see all dimensions and aspects of life addressed, including evil and wars. What is said is important of course. The God of harmony vs. The God of fate is again just picking cherry and pitting, it does not round off.

      I won’t squabble with you over whose really picking the cherry.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Amer7862, you have not addressed my question, i.e. whether I had quoted the section on Islam correctly... that is more important.

      As regards Spinoza's God, I was telling you that Einstein did not subscribe to a God who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind, meaning he did not believe in Allah, as opposed to what you were saying earlier.

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      My apologies, I thought you were asking me to back up my section with references-- which I gave. I will go thru your section again in more detail and get back to you with an objective answer.

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      Leaving aside the subjective statements in ‘Islam’ section, the one name or attribute of Allah that you chose to call out has the Arabic root of ‘Makar’. The word means to plan, plot, scheme and even to deceive by scheming. Plotting and scheming in the English language also have derogatory connotations. However, to counter-plot a plotter is not considered to be a bad thing. For example, some terrorists are plotting to commit terrorist acts, and certain security agencies may plot against them. The verse where this word is applied is 3:54 which says (we’ll use the word scheme instead of plan) “And they schemed, And Allah schemed; and Allah is the best of schemers”. We should now examine historical context for a genuine evaluation. If you read a few verses before, it says that Jesus (peace be upon him) had sensed danger, and the disciples had vowed to help. Per historical context, the Jewish clergy aka The Sanhedrin had plotted to kill Jesus by convincing the Roman rulers that Jesus (pbuh) had openly announced that he sought to be King (Jesus was speaking of the Kingdom of Heaven). For such treason, he would be put to death. That was the plot. Now God Almighty devised a plot to save Jesus (pbuh). Here I must say that I am departing from the popular beliefs of Christians and Muslims. Christians believe Jesus (pbuh) died on the cross and Muslims believe he was lifted up to heaven before even being put to the cross. However, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community does not follow the popular doctrines which are irrational and do not reconcile in a number of ways. Historical record shows that the Roman governor Pilate’s wife saw a dream after which she convinced him to remove himself from the plot to kill Jesus (pbuh). Joseph of Arimathea is also said in some accounts to have secretly become Jesus’s (pbuh) follower and wanted to save him. Pilate planned to have the crucifixion on Sabbath day (so the crucified would have to be brought down same day per Jewish law), he ordered the guards not to break Jesus’s legs, and had Jesus’s body returned to the disciples. And there was a storm too where the guards had fled. So, if you examine these facts, deception does not play into it. The so-called Jewish clerics were not trying to deceive anyone save themselves, they wanted Jesus (pbuh) to die an accursed death (on the cross) to validate their rejection of him as The Messiah. They had plotted and planned. And, Allah planned or plotted to save Jesus (pbuh). So to push the meaning of ‘deception’ on to the word without examining context and dimension is a deception in itself, I do not agree with it.

      As far as Dr. Moorthy’s statistics, I certainly do not sense an agreement with my reading and understanding of The Quran. I am not sure what kind of criteria was used and what analysis was done. But, Dr. Moorthy and myself would be biased in our opinions. So anyone should read for themselves and make a conclusion. As far as prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) Sira, his prophet-hood spanned 23 years from age 40 to his death at age 63, 13 years were spent under intense persecution and later after some hostilities took place between him and his enemies there was the pact of Hudaibiya agreeing to a 10 year peace. It was dissolved after a couple of years though. That still gives us 15 out of 23 years. Further, this concept of an aggressive Jihad is being rejected by many non-Ahmadi Muslims too because it disagrees with the conditions laid in the Quran for a Jihad by fighting. Non-Quran records which contradict with Quran would be considered innovated. So, the 75% is misrepresentative.

      Can you send me the reference of the Quran verse you have quoted in the abrogation section where it says that if Allah says something is not a sin for now then it is not a sin, even if it is not before and after.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      "Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book." - Surah 13:39

      "The Problem of Abrogation in the Quran" by Farooq Ibrahim says: "The hard evidence shows the doctrine of abrogation is clearly stated in the Quran, not once, but many times. The example of wine drinking and punishment for adultery and fornication, among others affirm it. Whereas the issue of non-Muslims getting rewarded in Heaven could be considered abrogated or perhaps not, both are probable based on the evidence in the Quran. There are other such ayat that a number of Muslim scholars have compiled and I briefly list a few of them but do not wish to go into details as that would make this response too lengthy. Included in the list are:

      Surah 9:29 abrogating Surah 2:109

      Surah 2:185 abrogating Surah 2:184

      Surah 9:36 abrogating Surah 2:217 and Surah 45:14"

      http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Farooq_Ibra...

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      Michelle Liew 4 years ago from Singapore

      Any religion that expounds good principles is a good religion. Thanks for sharing with us, Walter.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Well said, Midget!

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      Walter,

      The Quran claims to be the word of the creator of Heaven and Earth. One of its validations is that its original Arabic text has been unaltered for 1,400 years. Each of around a billion copies are identical down to the letter. Children are able to memorize it. It contains revelations of scientific facts recently discovered. For such a book with such a claim to contain abrogation is non-sense. We reject this theory of abrogation. What you have quoted in 13:39 and also the one in 2:108 I believe do speak to abrogation of earlier scriptures as some laws and injunctions should logically be bound to time, place, and circumstance. The Quran however claims to be the final dispensation of Heavenly law that applies to all peoples. The following is a lecture by an Ahmadi Muslim scholar on why we reject the theory of abrogation and why it is an illogical and irrational theory . . .

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_bCwSR-q4w&lis...

      As for the verses you mentioned, I cannot connect the last two combinations you gave, perhaps you want to recheck the references (less I am not looking at it right). But, as for 9:29 abrogating 2:109 this is not true. Both apply and each has its own place. There is a time when fighting is justified. But by examining the wider body of material and emphasis in The Quran one can determine that forgiveness and perseverance are paramount even when faced with rejection and mockery. There are many verses such as 38:19, 50:41, and 73:12 that expound this godly principle. Furthermore, to provide historical context the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) delivered the ‘Charter of Privileges’ to St. Catherine’s Montessori at Mt. Sinai. In it, he assures that Christians and Churches will not be harmed or taken down on the basis of religion and admonished any Muslim with intent to do so. The charter specifically states that it is in force till the Day of Judgment—taking out any possibility of abrogation. Yes fighting did take place in instances but only where circumstances warranted it.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "But by examining the wider body of material and emphasis in The Quran one can determine that forgiveness and perseverance are paramount even when faced with rejection and mockery. There are many verses such as 38:19, 50:41, and 73:12 that expound this godly principle."

      Amer786, I certainly hope you are right. But I have met Malaysian Muslims in the forums who advocate corruption and racism, saying that Allah may forgive all wrongdoings against non-Muslims (kafirs). Malaysia, despite Islam being its official religion, is today, the most corrupted country among 30 countries surveyed in 2012, when it comes to doing business, beating even Indonesia, a country with the biggest reputation for corruption.

      Sometimes, I wonder... if praying 5 times a day to Allah doesn't help, what can help? Is there something wrong with Islam, or something seriously wrong with its followers?

      http://malaysiafactbook.com/Political_corruption_i...

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "Each of around a billion copies are identical down to the letter."

      Seems like you are mistaken. There are actually several versions of the al-Qur'an but these were subsequently destroyed by Uthman ibn Affan, the third Caliph, in circa 650 AD, leaving one "standard" edition.

      http://youtu.be/HKzXzCCVC1I

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "What you have quoted in 13:39 and also the one in 2:108 I believe do speak to abrogation of earlier scriptures as some laws and injunctions should logically be bound to time, place, and circumstance. "

      Amer786 , that's precisely what I'm saying... abrogation of earlier scriptures. And if earlier scriptures are bound to time, place, and circumstance, then why should the al-Qur'an be any different, unless you can say that time, place, and circumstances will ALWAYS remain unchanged, after the revelation of the al-Qur'an?

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      Quote: “Sometimes, I wonder... if praying 5 times a day to Allah doesn't help, what can help? Is there something wrong with Islam, or something seriously wrong with its followers?”

      Walter, it is far worse than what you mention. In Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and other so-called Muslim countries, Muslims brand other Muslims as kafirs and cruelly murder them. Clerics exploit tender and nascent minds who probably don’t even know what the Quran says with promises of paradise and convince to blow themselves up and other innocents with them. The theory of abrogation is one way the clerics make these exploits.

      It is the so-called Muslims and their Imams of this age that are the cause and not the religion of Islam. In a famous Hadith-prophecy the prophet Muhammad forewarned us: “There will come a time when Islam will remain in name only and The Holy Quran will be left in text only. Their mosques will be well occupied, but bereft of guidance. Their scholars will be the worst of creatures under the firmament. Mischief will rise from them, and return back int them." (Mishqat. Kitabul Ilm). The prophecy exists in the Quran in 25:30 saying that the essence of the Quran and its teachings will become discarded.

      Practice does not make perfect if you are practicing the wrong things. And praying five times a day does not help if you are praying for the wrong things.

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      Quote: Seems like you are mistaken. There are actually several versions of the al-Qur'an but these were subsequently destroyed by Uthman ibn Affan, the third Caliph, in circa 650 AD, leaving one "standard" edition.

      What you say is the historical record. However, those other versions do not exist anymore, they were destroyed. What I had mentioned was the surviving condition now preserved without alteration for almost 1,500 years. We believe it to be an act of divine decree.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Well said, Amer786... it's enlightening to know what is happening in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

      I understand that Islam is supposed to be a simple religion, without the need for any clerics. But in Malaysia, some of the Muslims say you can't understand Islam, without the help of Mujtahids.

      Malaysia, as you may know, is a racist country. All Islamic teachings must go through JAKIM, the official government body, otherwise the teaching is not considered official and, maybe, even deviant. And if you were to read the official translation of the Prophet's Last Sermon, you will see the paragraph on racial supremacy omitted:

      "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves."

      But what is more frustrating to me is that the Islamic hudud does not consider corruption to be a crime! And we have the Marine Department buying an RM1,940 night-vision binocular for RM56,350 and no action was taken because corruption has become an accepted way of life in Malaysia.

      http://malaysiafactbook.com/Last_Sermon_of_Prophet...

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      Walter, I remember the crushing sorrow I felt from a few of years back when the story broke of Malaysian churches fire-bombed by fanatics because Christians there use the word ‘Allah’ for God. A couple of decades back, during the time of Mahathir Mohammed as PM and Anwar Ibrahim as deputy, we used to look up to Malaysia as a model of progress and respectful living. The Mahathir-Ibrahim saga took a twisted turn of its own shortly after and I think it has been downhill ever since.

      Omitting the egalitarian values that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) expounded in his last sermon is the soft side. They even attribute acts like putting apostates to death and stoning to death of adulterers to him in contradiction to the injunctions of the Quran. Unfortunately, these innovations have been exploited in The Sunnah. Corruption has become a way of life in these countries.

      The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam believes in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (on whom be peace) as The Messiah who was prophesized by Muhammd (peace be upon him) whom God will send as lifeline in this terrible quagmire. This event is what we believe to be referred to as the second coming of Christ. Like Jesus (pbuh), Ahmad (pbuh) told Muslims to abandon the misgiven notions of a Jihad by aggression, he emphasized on a separation of mosque and state, and restored rational dogmas in Islam. Ever since, the so-called Muslim clerics and their followers have been out for our blood and they have spilt a great deal of it. Like Jesus was unanimously opposed by the Jewish scholars, so it is with the Ahmadiyya. However, it is God’s promise that we will prevail. But we cannot step away from the truth, no matter what degree of death and torture is threatened.

      Still, things look like they will worsen before they improve. Here’s a preview of what may be coming your way, if it isn’t there already . . .

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUCnAjD_kVM&lis...

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Practising corruption, while claiming to defend Islam (or any religion for that matter) is nothing but pure hypocrisy. The al-Qur'an warns the Muslims of munafiqs in their midst.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Mahathir is no angel. He can rightfully claim the title of "Marcos of Malaysia" or "Suharto of Malaysia". How many prime ministers in this world can become multi-billionaires through pubic service?

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      Quote: And if earlier scriptures are bound to time, place, and circumstance, then why should the al-Qur'an be any different, unless you can say that time, place, and circumstances will ALWAYS remain unchanged, after the revelation of the al-Qur'an?

      Islam’s finality, as we believe, represents the pinnacle of religious evolution and the final epoch of a period of human existence in its current form. Many religions have preceded it that we believe were instigated by God’s messengers including non-Abrahamic such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Zoroaster Arianism—these may currently possess forms very different from their original teachings. In the Holy Quran, God says the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the ‘Seal’ of the prophets and that religion has been brought to perfection. Whereas earlier scriptures and religions were addressing a certain people, the Quran announces that its message now is for all peoples. Perhaps it is for this purpose that God has protected the Quran and revealed many facts and prophecies there in as validation. If one accepts The Quran and its statements, then one has to accept that it is the final dispensation of religious law. For it makes no sense that God with the power to create the Heavens, earth and living beings is mistaken about Islam’s finality and we are wiser. Your hub begins with a quote of Sir George Bernard Shaw. Only a thorough study of Islam’s teachings with an open heart and a quest for salvation can affirm what Sir George Bernard Shaw said, God willing. If I may, would like to close with another of his quotes below . . .

      "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him--the wonderful man--and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity"

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: " For it makes no sense that God with the power to create the Heavens, earth and living beings is mistaken about Islam’s finality and we are wiser. "

      If God has created only one religion and only one set of scriptures, there would have been less confusion in this world. Yet, when I read the al-Qur'an, I am constantly reminded that if you don't become a Muslim, you will be punished. As you know, people are moved to action by either the carrot or the stick. The al-Qur'an uses both carrot and stick. But He also says in Section 13:105: "And Allah chooses whom He pleases for His Mercy; and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace". Was he referring to hidayh? If so, why would He punish those whom He had not chosen, since He is the one who makes the decision?

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      I don’t have answers to questions that are meant for God. Why the world had to be the way it is? Why couldn’t peace and harmony be universal? If choosing makes us who we are then perhaps these are choices. And peace and harmony ultimately rests in salvation with God Almighty—a choice we have to make.

      I don’t believe that the tone ‘If you don’t become a Muslim, you are damned’ exists in Al-Quran. In 2:62 Allah says: “Surely those who believe, the Jews, Christians, Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do good, they will have their reward from their Lord, they shall not fear nor grieve”. Now this verse should not be taken as that it is redundant to pursue and submit to the religion of Islam. But, it does have a place. And I believe what it is saying is that this sovereignty and authority belongs to God alone. I can spend my entire life in pursuit of submission to Islam but can never be really sure if the Christian living next door found better favor with Allah or what is truly inside his or her heart.

      Allah’s choosing whom He pleases should not be taken as an arbitrary notion. Ultimately I nor anyone else can intercede in Allah’s will, but He does say often enough that He has exposed the way that leads to Him, that certain acts and attitudes will find His mercy, and those who strive for the truth He will guide them. I believe Allah has given us a choice and if we truly choose Him, it is inconceivable that He would not reciprocate. However, if we do not make the choice knowing what is right and wrong and not out of ignorance (this is an important point expounded repeatedly in Al-Quran) falling into clear error then logic and sense suggest that the outcome cannot be a good one.

      I feel you are looking at this though a somewhat biased lens. I am not sure if anyone can receive revelation unless they by way of nature or intent seek their creator and the purpose of their existence in all humility with the right attitude-- as it would be due for us to humble ourselves before our creator. Al-Quran speaks of the visibility of the heart, those who remain deaf, dumb, blind, and life and death of the living.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "I feel you are looking at this though a somewhat biased lens. I am not sure if anyone can receive revelation unless they by way of nature or intent seek their creator and the purpose of their existence in all humility with the right attitude."

      The crux of the discussion of this hub is whether the God of the 3 Abrahamic religions are one and the same God and if so, why are their characters so disparate? As you know, the God of Judaism only accepts the Israelites as the "children of God", and no one else. And where was Islam at that time, given that Muslims believe that Islam existed right from the very beginning and not when Prophet Muhammad began preaching about it?

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      As I mentioned earlier Yahweh in the Old Testament promises Abraham that he will be the father of mankind. In Deuteronomy Chapter 18 Yahweh gives several prophecies that He will raise a prophet from the brethren of the Israelites and a great nation from the progeny of Abraham’s and Hager’s child, Ishmael. Discourse and fulfillment stand in testimony that this has come to pass. So, it should be taken as one God and not as three different Gods or one correct God and two being false. In Al-Quran 21:22 says, “If there had been in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside Allah, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, above what they attribute”.

      What you call as different characteristics may only be attributes that are relevant in a particular situation. Even within each of the scriptures one call pull two verses out of context and present them to be in apparent contradiction and say the God in this verse does not appear to be the God in that verse.

      When we say Islam had always been there, to explain what we mean below I am re-producing text from Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam’s official website alislam.org and underneath is the link . . .

      “Islam, a name given by Allah to this religion (Quran 5:4), is an Arabic word which literally means obedience and peace. ISLAM is derived from the Arabic root "SALEMA": peace, purity, submission and obedience. So 'Islam' would mean the path of those who are obedient to Allah and who establish peace with Him and His creatures. Its follower are called Muslims. Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all prophets before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Allah says in the Qur’ân:

      "Say, `We believe in ALLAH and that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to HIM we submit." (Qur’ân 3-85)

      http://www.alislam.org/islam/

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "What you call as different characteristics may only be attributes that are relevant in a particular situation."

      Amer786 , you're right. If you read the conclusion of my hub, you may note that I did not disagree that the God of the 3 Abrahamic religions are one and the same God.

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      amer786 4 years ago from Los Angeles

      Walter, you are right! And this is a great note to close with. I really enjoyed our conversation, thank you! Do remember us in your thoughts and prayers. And, let's stay in touch.

      Best wishes, peace and blessing of Almighty be upon you-- Amer

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Best wishes to you too, Amer.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I am amazed that we all just do not understand this immediately. Us humans look for differences. How bazaar. My God is all things to all people, sinners, saints, widows, children, starving and rich. If my God saw a broken down atheist whore looking for forgiveness a mountain could not stop the love. Hindi, Buddhist, Shinto, Aztec and Martian are welcome. And you can come and call God what ever you like. I would not suggest it but if you need to you can cuss God, just as long as you stay connected. Get mad, get sad or praise, it don't matter. There is one God and I do not own Him/Her. My church does not own him nor the temple or mosque down the street.

      I liked this piece/peace. Anyone who reads it gets some connection, has to think about God, and that is the finest preaching in any religion that can be done. Thank you.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Ericdierker, thank you for your very insightful comments. I believe this is what God wants us to do, not bitch over whose religion is more superior. If religion neither makes our heart purer nor more spiritual, it has no reason to exist. Thanks for sharing... you're indeed a universal man of the world.

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      KenWu 3 years ago from Malaysia

      Hi Walter,

      A splendid piece, Walter! I can't comment further on what you have said up there. It's just beyond my little knowledge. But you are so blunt on your comment about Islam. Hope that the government people haven't got a chance to read this.

      However, one thing I need to comment here. All religions and their gods are for the good sake of the people; to liberate them from sufferings but why now all those same people fighting each other in the name of God! It's just nonsense!

      Good day, Walter!

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      Poon Poi Ming 3 years ago from Malaysia

      Ken Wu, I was just expressing what I truly felt, when reading the al-Quran. Have you tried to read it before? I may make Muslims feel good, but definitely not for non-Muslims.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Walter, this is blunt. We are just about to embark on a time of liberation of Islam. What I mean is the same kind of bluntness that other religions are accepting of. Fear to speak against radical Islam will begin to diminish as knowledge will replace that fear. I am sorry to the radicals but women becoming educated will end this era of interpretation of the Al-Quran through fear. People will begin to read it as I do, looking for the love and not justification for violence and hate.

      Just like we have done with the old testament and all that crazy wrath stuff.

      Christ will be more accepted as a great teacher and His teachings will heal all.

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      Poon Poi Ming 2 years ago from Malaysia

      Ericdierker, embarking on liberation of Islam doesn't mean we have to downplay the negatives and emphasize the positives, especially when much of the al-Qur'an is about threatening non-believers and very little is about love for humanity. We have to see things objectively.

      "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers..." -- Quran (3:151)

      QUOTE: "The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter." -- The Religion of Peace

      Which other religions teach you to kill?

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      Buffie 2 years ago

      TYVM you've solved all my prleobms

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