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A belief founded in proof is not more valid than a belief founded with no proof.

Updated on November 4, 2013

Around my house we clear the land with a swing scythe.

It is my belief that leaf blowers and weed whackers are harmful to our overall environment. And the excercise good.
It is my belief that leaf blowers and weed whackers are harmful to our overall environment. And the excercise good. | Source

Truth to Einstein was/is necessarily different than mine, after all he was smarter than me.

I know a man with severe depression. His perspective is different than mine. What he believes is true to him. I have come to see that it is true to me also, if I look at it his way. We are working on getting him to see things more my way. It is not a matter of right and wrong, black and white, or true or false. It is more a matter of productivity and happiness. When we come face to face with such a situation we see firsthand, that belief is very personal and therefore so is truth.

Thank Goodness for Webster

Belief by Meriam Webster: Definition of BELIEF 1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing 2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence

Quite clearly here there are different notions of belief. I believe they are all accurate. I do not believe that one definition beats the others. And likewise proof and truth have varying definitions all fair and helpful in understanding the basic concepts of the language of evidence.

Truth by Meriam Webster: Definition of TRUTH 1 a archaic : fidelity, constancy b : sincerity in action, character, and utterance 2 a (1) : the state of being the case : fact (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true <truths of thermodynamics> c : the body of true statements and propositions 3 a : the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality b chiefly British : true 2 c : fidelity to an original or to a standard 4 capitalized Christian Science : god— in truth : in accordance with fact : actually

One big raft and one mighty river

It would be hard to come up with a logic that would proclaim this as a good situation
It would be hard to come up with a logic that would proclaim this as a good situation | Source

WC Fields said: who you gonna believe me or your eyes?

Truth is not just additions on a paper or results of experiments or what one person says it is. No matter how hard an empiricist tries they cannot expand their meaning of truth to discount or deny that which they do not understand. I am not speaking of the God of Gaps. I am speaking of a body of knowledge known by some and not by others. Just think of a MD so well trained, no doubt she could talk for five minutes and nothing she says would make sense. I just do not have her extensive body of knowledge. Likewise a person without belief just cannot understand belief without hard proof, or more correctly proof that they can understand. Again it is not good or bad it just is.

Proof by Meriam Webster: Definition of PROOF 1 a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning 2 obsolete : experience 3: something that induces certainty or establishes validity 4 archaic : the quality or state of having been tested or tried; especially : unyielding hardness 5: evidence operating to determine the finding or judgment of a tribunal

Not all people are trained or naturally gifted in the area of logic and what logically stems from what. In fact it is interesting that people do not call on Logicians to help them solve problems as regularly as Lawyers and Doctors. Part of that is because we all hold our own logic as personal and somehow our right to have. Another factor is that much of the time, most people would rather rely on their gut and intuition to determine a course of action. What is sufficient proof for an individual varies widely. A person giving a statement may be believed because of his body language and for that same body language not believed by another. That should not be a frustration but a celebration of each person’s makeup.

I do not spend a lot of time studying Aramaic. I could not fairly determine the accuracy of the Aramaic bible in English. It is beyond my knowledge to believe in this bible. But I can read a quote there from and believe that the passage tells a universal truth about belief.

John 20 Aramaic Bible in Plain English 29 Yeshua said to him, “Now that you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen me and have believed.”

Just ask why.

Now there are some things that I know that you do not.

And certainly many things that you know that I do not. It is a fact that I had two cups of coffee this morning. You simply do not have stronger evidence to refute that. It is not in your body of knowledge. Some say that testimony is not fact. That is very strange indeed and leads to "believing" that our perceptions are simply not fact.

My son is very cute, perhaps turning handsome but just undeniably cute. No one with a straight face can refute that. But where is the proof -- well look at the picture below. Now one will argue that cute is not a fact, just an opinion. After you look at the picture say that!

So the point being that some beliefs are fact. And some are not. I believe in God is a fact. I could not believe in God if God did not exist. Does that mean God exists for you? No. This knowledge of mine may well be outside your body of knowledge. Just like what you ate for breakfast is outside of my knowledge. It does not mean you did not eat breakfast.

Cute? or not?

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One last little anecdote

When I was young I started learning tracking. I had very good very different teachers. One was a 60 year old Native American Navajo and one was a biology teacher with a doctorate in botany who had grown up tracking. Going with either one I would see things that I would not have seen with the other. And smell things I would not have noticed with the other. Both were very good and both knew facts the other would not know.

But for sure they could both track a Mule Deer for twenty miles. They would both end up at the same location but based on many very different facts. Cool huh!

The same is true for our lives. And the same is true for our beliefs.

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    • Sean Stoker profile image

      Sean Stoker 

      6 years ago from South Jordan, Utah

      Interesting way of putting it.

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      6 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Sean, thanks for stopping by. My wife looked at me last night and said she wished she had two brains to deal with all the stuff going around. I told her simply, I wish I had a smaller with an on off switch. For me, I need to turn it off, and restart in the positive mode -- which translates to Grateful

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      6 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thanks Quietwarrior,

      I read your chroncles with delight. It seems to me a dying man is acutely aware of life, like a blind man is acutely aware of sound. Perhaps if we are to lose one mindset in order to gain a new, we could believe without thinking. Just a thought.

    • The-Quietwarrior profile image

      The-Quietwarrior 

      6 years ago

      Haven't been here in a while so just reading this. This stirs the typical "logic" mindset. Enjoyed it.

    • Sean Stoker profile image

      Sean Stoker 

      6 years ago from South Jordan, Utah

      Not many can pull off the "Webster defines..." trick and make it work. You, my friend, just did. Also, I feel you made some very pertinent points on point-of-view and happiness. It's hard to feel happy when you are focused on the negative. This is constantly true in my life. The times I'm happiest are when I am grateful for God's creations, and all the blessings in my life. Thanks for sharing.

    • Electro-Denizen profile image

      Charles 

      6 years ago from Wales, UK

      Ericdierker, I skit along subjects that many ppl find difficult to even think about, in the sense they find them ridiculous. I think I may have lost some readers because of it! I like to think that I don't conclude though, just express ideas...

      A thing I mean to mention which ties in with your hub is the fact that Rudolph Steiner attempted to knit the traditions of Philosophy with metaphysical perception, showing that certain forms of perception were entirely valid... He's the guy behind the thousands of Steiner schools world-wide.

      Your hub reminded me of his work!

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      6 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ib radmasters, you may want to look into Positive Affirmations. I think you would find discussions there intriguing. A fact is a fact in many instances, that also allow for perspective, hence opinion and belief.

      I think we can be in accord that history is full of men's folly with drastic results. I hope we have progressed, but the recent Muslim attacks seem to suggest otherwise.

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      6 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Electro-Denizen, Thanks for your comment. I sure am pleased that humans don't just think one way. I note the struggle in those that try to, and it is not pretty. I note from your hubs, you have no problems in this area.

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      6 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Theresa, you wrote a nice outline that I will keep in mind while writing.

    • ib radmasters profile image

      ib radmasters 

      6 years ago from Southern California

      belief is not equated to fact, some beliefs may be factual, while others are not factual.

      Many beliefs are just wrong, like the Catholic Church believing that the Sun revolved around the Earth. Their belief on it was strong enough to punish very severely if you didn't believe in it.

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      Charles 

      6 years ago from Wales, UK

      This is a great hub, looking at belief and proof from both human experience terms as well as abstract intellectual approach, really enjoyed reading it. Agree with phdast7. Voted it up, as it cuts through to the issue(s) quickly.

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      Theresa Ast 

      6 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Erich-- I love this! Your general discussion, the quality of your thought and written expression, the dipping in and out of Webster's Lexicon, and the conclusion as well. Very well done. Moving. Inspiring. ~~Theresa

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