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Beliefs are never absolute

Updated on November 14, 2012

Beliefs in themselves are not ever absolutely true or false because they are constantly changing. What we hold to be true or false at any given time is subject to change when new information or new life experiences occur and are accepted or denied internally. The function of our inner nature then enables one to form our own understanding of truths or lies.

We are forever either constantly expanding our parameters of perception or decreasing them. What is true for one person will not necessarily mean it is true for another. No two people have the exact same idea of what is truth or lies. Mainly, because of the infinite differences in experiences and gaining of learned knowledge. Also because of what is accepted or what is not.

To really know the higher power which some people call God, Buddha, Tao (call it what you will it does not change the function of it) eventually even beliefs need to be let go of to get greater insight.

As William Blake says….(something that goes like…..) If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thru' narrow chinks of his cavern."

The “narrow chinks of his cavern” for me is pointing to mans limited perception. With limited perception then we cannot ever hope to know or experience much more of the greater whole, sometimes referred to as God. 

We can however, rest assured, that our concepts or understanding of truth and lies will always change over time if we are willing to let go of some of the limited beliefs we might currently have.

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    • Vladimir Uhri profile image

      Vladimir Uhri 

      5 years ago from HubPages, FB

      We live in real world. Then we live in dual system absolute and relative. Please do not miss the boat John.

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      John King IV 

      5 years ago

      "good and bad only exist if our minds make it so". I have trouble with this idea. Many philosophers have delt with it.... Is good and evil a creation of the mind or a realitiy that exists outside the mind?

      I for one say that a both statements can be true. That good and evil are both products of the mind, yet also realities that are outside of the mind. Example: A crime is judged by a mind to be evil, yet I believe that a crime can be evil in itself, regardless whether or not minds judge it to be so. Of course, you need at least one living soul/mind to even think and speak about whether a thing is good or bad.

      In many religious traditions, some say that their is such a thing as "evil spirits" (evil ideas). Where as good spirits are angels. (good ideas).

      What do you think?

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      Vladimir Uhri 

      5 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Very interesting. John and Penn are right. It is in mind. But I see it the way that simple faith in love are OK and rest may be religion if it is. Religion is confusion, but true faith is OK. We all have growing stage, and receive revelation if one would not like to stuck in tradition and religion. There is living faith as is living God.

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      Hi John,

      I have missed our dialogues into the deeper mysteries of life. God being a name that we have attributed to one of the deepest mysteries of all. Because, after all, we, as you say have mortal minds that appear to be flawed. It is our minds however that make these distinctions. Does not necessarily mean it is so. The mind no matter how impermanent it may seem or how finite it may seem is still part of the whole. Disregarding one for the other is not useful. The manifest and the mystery are only separated in our ability to make those distinctions. So it is with things of the mind. Good and bad only exist if our minds make it so.

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      John King IV 

      5 years ago

      Oh long time since I heard from you penny....

      let me see where we left off..........

      Oh yes God, and religion. Darn religious issues! I am addicted to them. Religion is one of my favorite sports to play. Paradoxicaly, I see it as a great vanity, yet a great form of entertainment. If I must talk about things, I prefer to avoid vain talking as much as possible.

      Religion is cursed as is disscussing anything to do with "God". Why? I think that people each have their own traditions and beliefs over the nature of the gods. To make things worse, human nature sees their traditions and views of god, as the universal true way, and only way. This will result in conflicts among the un-diciplined ones. I myself get fed up over the fighting between the religious doctrines and views. Some people see god as a one and only true mind. But what of other minds? Are they to be seen as false? Is the one true mind perfect, sinless, and self righteous, as god is suppossed to be? I place importance in the mind, but will never go so far as to call any one mind, a god. Minds are mortal and flawed. Any fool who thinks their minds are god, deserves punishment.

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      Hi John, apologies to you too my friend for the belated reply.

      In response to your question if I understand it correctly....

      If they follow other men they are less likely to find the God within. Always seeking outside of themselves will not confirm that connection we all have to our essence and it becomes a very surface understanding of that which we are not separated from except if our minds make it so.

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      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      Hi again Vladamir, again apologies for the late reply.

      Vladimir, that would depend on how you separate Man from God in your mind. If God is Alpha Omega. There is nowhere where God is not nor is there a beginning or end when it comes to man and the manifest.

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      John King IV 

      5 years ago

      Dear Penny:

      You are wise. The bible was certainly a product of human beings. It was only around 300 years after Jesus, at the council of nicea, where one bishop proposed for the first time in history that the new testament canon as we know it today, was to be "the official inspired words of god:. The early Christians of this time did indeed add and take away, in order to harmonize their own made up doctrines about the nature of the gods (example the trinity).

      Penny I am puzzled over your last statement about "men following other men in pursuit of themselves" This seems irrational and illogical. Why? Because if men truely wished to know themselves, then why would they need to follow other men or worship their brothers as if they where other gods?

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      Vladimir Uhri 

      5 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Evil started (I noted) disseminating lies that Bible was manipulated. See Bible is record of 45 authors and they balance each other’s. They wrote 66 Books. Yes, there is touch of "human fingers" but it is how God likes. God did not make people machines. If God would write entire book people would worship to Book. The Bible is written in numeric (digital) mode, not in analog. No one was able to change anything and was strictly guarded. I have an example in Gen 1:1, there is word AT, Aleph Tav in Hebrew. Until now nobody translated it. The big dictionaries say meaning is unknown. Still they did not remove it as no significant. In interlinear Hebrew-English Bible there is only dash. But it means first and last part of WORD, Hebrew Alphabet. In Greek it is Alpha and Omega. Jesus said: I am Aleph Tav, beginning and end. Have the blessing day.

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      Vladimir Uhri 

      5 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Yes, Word of God is in the Bible. But not all in the Bible is Word of God. It will help to discern.

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      Vladmir,

      How can any one claim to know how to fix the world. We can really only ever fix ourselves.

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      Hi John,

      Since the bible was compiled by man, I don't doubt that it has indeed been manipulated and corrupted by the minds of men. It is a very sad thing when man decides to follow other men in pursuit of what they can only find within themselves.

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      Hi Vladmir,

      I am still getting that you are referring to the essence of God that does not change. You seem to equate faith with finding this essence, am I correct? Are you referring to the word of God being the bible?

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      John King IV 

      5 years ago

      Good question Vlad, however....

      First, I do not believe that I am qualified to be a psychological wizard. I also know very little about the economy, and finances. I do consider myself to be more of an expert on moral values. Still, all in all, I am in no position to "fix this world" What about justice? Does not fixing this world involve punishments, or at least, working on the the courts and prison systems?

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      Vladimir Uhri 

      5 years ago from HubPages, FB

      John when you believe in psychology, why u do not fix the world? We are in troubles in economy, finances and moral value even many do not see it.

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      John King IV 

      5 years ago

      The bible is nothing but a dead idol which is also manipulated and corrupted by the opinions of many foolish people. Religious people who worship their bible law or their word of the bible god deserve to go to hell.

      I prefer psychological wizards who use phycho analysis on their subjects, at least these people are not bible idolators. Still....wizards stink, but just not as much as bible idol worshippers.

    • Vladimir Uhri profile image

      Vladimir Uhri 

      5 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Before I finished reading all comments I would like to say what I have inside.

      Materialist see only duality. And it is true. In physics we have plus and minus. Here is my conclusion: "The state we live is only pathological result, opposite of original intent".

      If we move further, life is tridimensional or trinity (versus duality). Here is plus and minus in material, and then here is spirit. So you are right if accepting only materialistic view.

      munirahmadmughal sad, His God created both live and the death. It is not true in our Creator. In the beginning He created light in the darkness, and He created only life and not (never) death. The death came from adversary. That’s pathology.

    • Vladimir Uhri profile image

      Vladimir Uhri 

      5 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Since I am here I would like to make additional comment, if I may. It is true that believe is not absolute, but it apply only on religion which is manmade opinion. More opinion, more religion.

      But there is absolute faith if one can find it. This is why we suppose to seek. The faith is SUBSTANCE of unseen based on the Word of God (Hebr. 11:1. The Word of God never changes and therefore is absolute. To find the truth is easy, it's manifesting itself into reality. Agape.

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      John King IV 

      5 years ago

      Thank you.

      I also have a high regard for you.

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      John, For some you may appear to be dark. For others (like me) a light that shines. Your beacon of light just shines on those things not many people wish to acknowledge or accept their existence.

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      Vladimir, If you are saying the essence of God does not change, I do agree. Glad the article was interesting for you. Thanks for stopping in.

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      John King IV 

      5 years ago

      Penny: Thank you for your explanation.

      Ummm I just wish to make a statement. I may appear to be a dark fellow, with a negative outlook at times. But it is very wise of you to say, that just because I may be like this, it does not mean that all men are like this. Yes Penny... you are a wise women, unlike many of the other bimbos out their.

    • Vladimir Uhri profile image

      Vladimir Uhri 

      5 years ago from HubPages, FB

      This is an interesting read.

      The faith is invisible substance based on Word of God. Everything we can see is changing but Word of God never changes. Only physical world changes, not spirit one. God never changes in His nature. Let say, love, goodness never changes, unless we replace it.

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      5 years ago from New Zealand

      Perhaps they are the same upstream in the greater whole. Downstream in the realm of objectivity I don't think they are the same. Although I do think they are relative to one another.

      If in reality I am abused by a man, I might form a belief that all men are abusive. It becomes my reality and I avoid all men.

      Later, I might meet a man that is kind and gentle, my previous belief is shattered and I now form a new belief that not all men are abusive. My reality changes to reflect this. I no longer avoid all men.

      What facts are you referring to? Once upon a time the world was believed to be flat and became a fact. Nowadays it is fact that it is spherical?

      Don't get me wrong, facts can be useful. Gravity is a fact that humans cannot change. The seasons and the elements are a fact which humans also cannot change. The gravity can change if our magnetic force alters. We have no conscious control over this change. The seasons can change which again we have no conscious control over.

      In other words we can only change how we perceive what is.

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      John King IV 

      5 years ago

      ok this subject is of imense interest. I only have these comments:

      Beliefs and reality...........do you view these 2 things as the same?

      I get the impression, from your statements, that you link these 2 things together. Their are facts, and then their are our reports or stories of the facts.

      What do you think?

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      7 years ago from New Zealand

      Heavenbound: I like all that you have to say. Trust is very important I do agree! Will check out the song a little later as my computer is a wee bit out of tune since I came back from holiday! Thanks for stopping in!

      Erin: Oh my sister, well you know what I think of your writing. So full of brevity for me! We are not that dissimilar in our thoughts either! The new year has found me well as I hope yours has too! Can't wait to hear all the details. Will email you!

      Dir-act: Thanks for stopping by. I do agree too the comments are well worth the read. Thanks everyone again. Happy new year to you all!

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      Madelon Janssen 

      7 years ago from Papendrecht

      I enjoyed reading the comments as much as your hub itself.

      Good to see there are still people thinking about important things in life. More than what´s on telly and what do we eat tonight.

      Thanks everybody! Happy New Year.

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      Erin LeFey 

      7 years ago from Maryland

      Your words are so full of truth and light

      it seems like there is so much in the universe to be told

      that "God" is beyond labels and books

      and that the soul is so far beyond one body - that interconnectedness you speak of - I wish I had your gift of brevity to speak such illustrious thoughts.

      my sister, i hope this new year finds you well. Namaste'

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      heavenbound5511 

      7 years ago from Under the shadow of the Almighty God!

      Hi Penny!

      Yes, we gain more and more wisdom the longer we live. When it comes to wisdom in God it grows too, because the closer we get to him the more he reveals.

      Their is truth in this world even if we haven't wen't deep enough into it to know it's truth. To allow this it would make the truth of God and Jesus our only way to be saved unshakable to a world of confusion. Anyways even when in doubt of truth or which way to go trusting in God is the only way for me, God has never failed me even if I failed to listen to Him. God is patient and justs wants us to listen and trust him even if their seems to be a million things pulling at us, pray that we will know and recognize his voice in the midst of a world goin corrupt.

      This song came to my mind when I was reading your page >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2yAJz_a2Ks

      This is a hop-hop style song but his lyrics are powerful!

      God bless you!

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      pennyofheaven 

      7 years ago from New Zealand

      Thank you for stopping by Str8up!

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      Str8up Hookups 

      7 years ago

      Very insightful info!

      Thanks for sharing,hub up!

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      7 years ago from New Zealand

      Glad that you are never disappointed or disillusioned Dave!

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      Dave Mathews 

      7 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

      I have one belief that is always constant and never changes, but is steadfast, and no matter who or what tries to shake my tree or change my mind or my perception of this my belief, my faith will never waiver. I have never been disappointed nor disillusioned about my belief and never can or will be.

      Brother Dave.

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      pennyofheaven 

      7 years ago from New Zealand

      Goodness your kindness and praise is very humbling and I thank you both Sa'ge and Saddlerider

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      saddlerider1 

      7 years ago

      Truer words here were never spoken

      "eventually even beliefs need to be let go of to get greater insight."

      How very true, beliefs are ever evolving as mankind is granted more knowledge from a force greater than himself. No man has yet seen God? although many feel the touch, closeness, bond,healing,wisdom, and FAITH-FULLNESS of some higher power greater than themselves..

      Hmmmmmm very stimulating thoughts you share here....thank you....look forward to reading more of them.

      Bravo...rated Up

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      Sa`ge 

      7 years ago from Barefoot Island

      I enjoyed this write, it is refreshing and to the point and sweetly written. You have a knack for writing incite-fully and with that touch of sweetness like a lullaby sung. I so enjoyed reading this. Thank you. :D hugs :D

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      pennyofheaven 

      7 years ago from New Zealand

      Wow syzygyastro, I didn't know the bible says that. Thanks I learn something new every day. By the way thanks for stopping by.

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      William J. Prest 

      7 years ago from Vancouver, Canada

      So true; especially when studying comparative religion. It even says in the Bible that no man at any time has seen God.

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      pennyofheaven 

      7 years ago from New Zealand

      I like that description evolve Rich. Thanks

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      richtwf 

      7 years ago

      Great food for thought and agree with your sentiments that you shared. Our beliefs should evolve in either a positive or negative way depending on what we learn from others or what we read about a belief, unless we are completely stagnant in our lives, and not learning anything new which might alter our belief.

      Thanks Penny for sharing these thoughts. Cheers and God bless!

    • pennyofheaven profile imageAUTHOR

      pennyofheaven 

      7 years ago from New Zealand

      Thank you for stopping by to read this hub. I am sure when the time is right it will be received as you intend it to be received. Nice to meet kindred spirits on hubpages.

      Thanks again

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      msorensson 

      7 years ago

      I wanted to tell a friend what you wrote in the last paragraph, that if asked, I will always tell him the truth..and that truth..relative truths change, and that in this universe everything is relative, pennyofheaven but I think I will wait until the time is right.

      Thank you for this hub. It is short and direct.

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      pennyofheaven 

      7 years ago from New Zealand

      Mickey Dee and Castlepaloma, Thanks so much for your kind comments!

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      Castlepaloma 

      7 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      I enjoy your open mind, its refreshing.

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      Micky Dee 

      7 years ago

      Very insightful and thought evoking hub! God bless!

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