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Beliefs can Change

Updated on June 18, 2017

Beliefs Can Change

When I think about the way things have turned out in my life I learn from certain experiences. When I was young I worked hard and earned money. That money that I earned was used in many different ways. I was able to provide for myself and to help others. I can not say tht I am completely happy with they way that I used my money to help others though. Why do I say that? Well, it really is a long story but I will give a summerized explaination.

When I was young I was taught to go to church and be a good Christian. I was taught a lot of different things and indoctrinated to uphold certain beliefs. One of those beliefs included giving money to churches. I remember hearing the pastors say that we need to give 10 percent of our earning to the church and that this is an act of “obedience to God”. I was taught that if you did not pay tithes that you were being “disobeidient to God”. The way that I was taught was that it is a commandment from God to give tithes to the church that you attend. I was taught if I really loved God I would go above and beyond tithes and give offerings too. Sometime the preachers would even tell us to pay more than 10 percent.

At the time I did not really question it because I have to admit at the time I looked at pastors and people in positions of authority in church groups as people that were chosen by God to be spokes people for God himself. In other word I really believed these people were being used by God to speak through them. I did not really have a much deeper understanding than that. It was as if I did not think that these people were capable of lying or being deceived themselves. After all, they were anointed “Pastors” and “Church Leaders” right.

As I got older I began to see and hear different things that went on in churches. I would hear of church leaders comitting adultry, lying, and stealing from people ect. Then I studied a bit about Church history and how there were false doctrines taught in churches. Then I started learning about the crusades. Learning these things helped me to be able to consider and question my own beliefs and to question different teachings and people in authority.

Later on I studied the subject of tithes and found that tithes was not even a new testament command. It was rather a doctrine that was made by people in order to get money for various reasons. The extent of these reasons are multitudinous. I could actually spend a lot of time just taking about some of them but that would take a long time.

I learned that tithes had to do with the old testament preisthood. That really helped me because I had one less thing to feel guilty about if I did not pay tithes at church. When I learned the truth about these things I was more relieved that I was angry. However, I do feel that I have a right to be angry but I think that it is of little use to be angry at the people who teach these things because I look at many of those people as just people that are teaching the things that they were taught and believe to be true. In other words they do not know any better. I do think that there are people who do know better and expoit others for their own personal gain in the packaging of the greater good for humanity. I do think that this is a reason to be angry but I do not let that anger consume me.

If you are reading these things that I am saying you my be asking what scriptual text can I use to back up a lot of the information that I am writing about? That is a valid question but I am going to leave it up to the reader to reseearch these things themselves. I am writing these things because they are what is currently on my mind and I want to write about it.

Now that I am older and I have come to a point of my life where I am not fearful to question authority or beliefs that I have been indoctrinated to believe. It has taken a lot of time to come learn how to accept that many of the things that I have been taught are not as accuate as I thought or believed them to be at the time.

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    • AF Mind profile image

      AF Mind 9 months ago

      You say there is always a peaceful alternative. What is the solution here then? Prove me wrong.

      Therapy? Are you trying to accuse me of being mentally ill instead of just proving yourself?

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      Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Please see a therapist. Hash it out with them.

    • AF Mind profile image

      AF Mind 9 months ago

      "Life is not that simple. Look for the alternative here. You have a gun. A man has a gun. He's about to shoot your family. You can't get a clear shot to disarm or hinder him and you and your family's in a corner, so escape is not an option. If he sees you try to run, you're dead. You've already given him all your money and valuables, but he doesn't care; he will shoot you and your family. Either you shoot, or he does. What will you do? What alternative is there?"

      "Why did I have a gun? Why does he have a gun? Who is this man? What does he really want? Does he really want to shoot you or your family or does he really want something else?"

      These questions don't matter when you've got to choose to save the innocent lives of your family. Those questions come secondary. Both of you have guns for x reason. He wants your money, but now he sees sparing you as pointless. You tried talking him down, but he will not listen to reason. All he really wants is your money and to kill you and your family to get rid of witnesses.

      "If he sees you try to run you are dead. Really? Why? It is harder to hit a moving target."

      As in he shoots you before you get off. You already got the gun raised, so it's just a little finger movement is all you gotta do. Let's say he has a real good shot, so even if you did move he'd have you. But it's just easier for him.

      "Why do you mentally wish to put yourself in such positions? Stop obsessing."

      I'm not. But you claim that you're able to find a peaceful alternative for everything. So what is it?

      "Life is not that simple. Look for the alternative here. You have a gun. A man has a gun. He's about to shoot your family. You can't get a clear shot to disarm or hinder him and you and your family's in a corner, so escape is not an option. If he sees you try to run, you're dead. You've already given him all your money and valuables, but he doesn't care; he will shoot you and your family. Either you shoot, or he does. What will you do? What alternative is there?"

      "Why did I have a gun? Why does he have a gun? Who is this man? What does he really want? Does he really want to shoot you or your family or does he really want something else?"

      These questions don't matter when you've got to choose to save the innocent lives of your family. Those questions come secondary. Both of you have guns for x reason. He wants your money, but now he sees sparing you as pointless. You tried talking him down, but he will not listen to reason. All he really wants is your money and to kill you and your family to get rid of witnesses.

      "If he sees you try to run you are dead. Really? Why? It is harder to hit a moving target."

      As in he shoots you before you get off. You already got the gun raised, so it's just a little finger movement is all you gotta do. Let's say he has a real good shot, so even if you did move he'd have you. But it's just easier for him.

      "Why do you mentally wish to put yourself in such positions? Stop obsessing."

      I'm not. But you claim that you're able to find a peaceful alternative for everything. So what is it?

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      Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      "Life is not that simple. Look for the alternative here. You have a gun. A man has a gun. He's about to shoot your family. You can't get a clear shot to disarm or hinder him and you and your family's in a corner, so escape is not an option. If he sees you try to run, you're dead. You've already given him all your money and valuables, but he doesn't care; he will shoot you and your family. Either you shoot, or he does. What will you do? What alternative is there?"

      Why did I have a gun?

      Why does he have a gun?

      Who is this man?

      What does he really want?

      Does he really want to shoot you or your family or does he really want something else?

      If he sees you try to run you are dead. Really? Why? It is harder to hit a moving target.

      How did you get into this situation to begin with? Get smart and be alert. Move if needed.

      Why do you mentally wish to put yourself in such positions?

      Stop obsessing.

      Mental health is the underlying issue either of the man or yourself. Please see a councilor of your choice and report.

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      AF Mind 9 months ago

      Mental health? That doesn't trump morals.

      What is the peaceful alternative in the situation i presented? You say there is always a peaceful way. What do you do then?

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      Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Let us try an experiment. Choose a mental health professional and tell them all this and see what they say. Let us know.

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      AF Mind 9 months ago

      "The title is, "Beliefs can change." As we grow, we learn and change. I suggest meeting with one of the Peace Churches: Quaker, Mennonite or Baha'i."

      The Quakers and Mennonites have false doctrines derived from their misunderstanding of the New Testament, and the Bah'ai faith doesn't believe in Yahushua (Jesus), or anything I do. As someone who chose my religion, I'd rather not. I've done my research into these religions growing up, and they're not for me. Yes, peace and no harm should be the goal. But life is not so simple. Sometimes you have to do these things.

      Ecclesiastes 3

      1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

      2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

      3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

      4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

      5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

      6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

      7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

      8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

      "Judaism, "Resemble Me; as I repay good for evil so do you also repay good for evil."

      That's the same religion that had the "evil violent god" in the Old Testament. Yet still they uphold these morals.

      "Hinduism, A superior being does not render evil for evil; this is a maxim one should observe...."

      Yes, rendering EVIL for evil is wrong. But again, the things I mentioned are not evil itself. Also, you should realize wars havhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_mythological_w... been fought in the Hindu religion with the purpose of upholding Dharma.

      "Me, "Get smart, be alert and move away from danger." Remember also, the one you are dealing with may be mentally ill. That takes more training."

      That's a nice way to think. But again, life is not always that simple. There are times where you'll have to act. Why haven't you answered those scenario questions from before? Have you not found an alternative?

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      Jay C OBrien 10 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      The title is, "Beliefs can change." As we grow, we learn and change. I suggest meeting with one of the Peace Churches: Quaker, Mennonite or Baha'i.

      Quaker, "I renounce war and fighting for any reason or under any pretense whatsoever."

      Judaism, "Resemble Me; as I repay good for evil so do you also repay good for evil."

      Hinduism, A superior being does not render evil for evil; this is a maxim one should observe....

      Me, "Get smart, be alert and move away from danger." Remember also, the one you are dealing with may be mentally ill. That takes more training.

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      AF Mind 10 months ago

      "I agree. The idea is not to suppress emotions but to confront the cause of the stress. Identify the stress in your life and associate the person responsible for the stress and learn to cope with it, ie learn to forgive or try to reconcile."

      So stress itself cannot be totally bad. It shows us the problem. So long as it does not become the problem itself, stress can be a good thing.

      "Answer: there is always a better way. Look at the opening of the box, not the walls of the box. This is what 20 years as a Peace Officer taught me. Look for non-violent alternatives, they are there. If all else fails, they are at fault, not you."

      Life is not that simple. Look for the alternative here. You have a gun. A man has a gun. He's about to shoot your family. You can't get a clear shot to disarm or hinder him and you and your family's in a corner, so escape is not an option. If he sees you try to run, you're dead. You've already given him all your money and valuables, but he doesn't care; he will shoot you and your family. Either you shoot, or he does. What will you do? What alternative is there?

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      Jay C OBrien 10 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      1. "....."We have a different perspective. We believe that pursuing a “stress-free” life often causes more stress down the line—problems compound, and by failing to face our most intense challenges we never overcome them."

      I agree. The idea is not to suppress emotions but to confront the cause of the stress. Identify the stress in your life and associate the person responsible for the stress and learn to cope with it, ie learn to forgive or try to reconcile.

      2. "Do not jump in front of a bullet. I am opposed to Martyrdom. Learn a better way than harming yourself or others."

      But again, let's say there is no better way. Let's say it is the only way. Either you get hurt, or someone very important (maybe you love them) gets hurt.

      Answer: there is always a better way. Look at the opening of the box, not the walls of the box. This is what 20 years as a Peace Officer taught me. Look for non-violent alternatives, they are there. If all else fails, they are at fault, not you.

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      AF Mind 10 months ago

      "I agree we should be opposed to wrongdoing, but getting angry or hating does not help. I am a retire Peace Officer and taught the course on Use of Force. After all my years and training I conclude that Deadly Force is not needed. Killing is Not necessary. Get smart and find another way. Do not even get angry, find a calm way."

      It is not necessary in all occasions, and it is best to find another way. But what do you do when there is no other way? or if you have to act quickly and can't think of a way that ends up with no one being hurt?

      "Again, after all my years as a Peace Officer, I have learned there is a better, smarter way that killing people. Take a course in The Use of Force by a police agency or read some of my articles on the subject."

      That is better. I agree. But things aren't always as simple as that.

      "This is the part I do not understand. Please explain how creating internal stress is OK."

      If you can manage these emotions, then you can use them for good.

      Stress Can Be a Good Thing If You Know How to Use It by Alia and Thomas Crum at Harvard Business Review.

      ....."We have a different perspective. We believe that pursuing a “stress-free” life often causes more stress down the line—problems compound, and by failing to face our most intense challenges we never overcome them. Think about a time when you experienced substantial personal or professional growth, or a time when you performed at your highest level, such as finishing a race, building a business, or raising a child. What was it that motivated and fueled you to grow, learn, and improve during these times? We are willing to bet that those times invariably involved some stress or struggle."

      ....."Stress has many wonderful attributes. It reminds us that we care; it connects us directly with the most challenging and important aspects of our lives. We aren’t suggesting that sustained stress does not take a toll, only that it can bring unexpected benefits, too, in the form of personal growth. Combining our years of experience conducting leadership seminars and teaching meditation and martial arts (Tom) and exploring empirical research in the area of psychology (Alia) we have found that individuals who adopt a “stress is enhancing” mindset in their lives show greater work performance and fewer negative health symptoms than those who adopt a “stress-is-debilitating” lens. Drawing on our work and research with executives, students, Navy SEALs and professional athletes, we have devised a three-step approach to responding to pressure that we believe can help you harness the creative power of stress while minimizing its deleterious effects."

      Source: https://hbr.org/2015/09/stress-can-be-a-good-thing...

      "Do not jump in front of a bullet. I am opposed to Martyrdom. Learn a better way than harming yourself or others."

      But again, let's say there is no better way. Let's say it is the only way. Either you get hurt, or someone very important (maybe you love them) gets hurt.

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      Jay C OBrien 10 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      1. "Please explain, I do not understand. How can anger, hatred or killing be directed for a "good" purpose?"

      Being angry at wrongdoing. Hating what is wrong. And killing when necessary.

      I agree we should be opposed to wrongdoing, but getting angry or hating does not help. I am a retire Peace Officer and taught the course on Use of Force. After all my years and training I conclude that Deadly Force is not needed. Killing is Not necessary. Get smart and find another way. Do not even get angry, find a calm way.

      2. "Is all killing of one human by another Bad? ... Yes. What was the motive; fear, anger, hatred?"

      Why should those be the only limits? What about defense? Or love for your fellow man so you'd defend them? Let's say someone had a gun on you and your family and backed you in a corner, and you had one too. You had to act quick. Let's say, for x reason, you couldn't get a clear shot to disarm him or hinder him. What would you do?

      Again, after all my years as a Peace Officer, I have learned there is a better, smarter way that killing people. Take a course in The Use of Force by a police agency or read some of my articles on the subject.

      3. "God (I imagine) is Good and does not have out-of-control negative emotions."

      But again, these emotions are not negative. No emotion is negative, or positive. They're just emotions, and can be used positively or negatively. Is happiness good? You might say so, but at the same time someone can be happy that something bad happened.

      This is the part I do not understand. Please explain how creating internal stress is OK.

      4. "It is OK to Judge others for we must do so in order to live our lives, but the Judgment should not lead to Stress. Stress IS Bad. Stress causes strokes, heart attacks, skin conditions and ulcers."

      What if morally it led to something good? What if at the expense, I saved someone? By that same logic it'd be wrong to jump in front of a bullet for someone because it wounds me.

      Great Speculation about morality here.

      Do not jump in front of a bullet. I am opposed to Martyrdom. Learn a better way than harming yourself or others.

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      AF Mind 10 months ago

      "Please explain, I do not understand. How can anger, hatred or killing be directed for a "good" purpose?"

      Being angry at wrongdoing. Hating what is wrong. And killing when necessary.

      "Is all killing of one human by another Bad? ... Yes. What was the motive; fear, anger, hatred?"

      Why should those be the only limits? What about defense? Or love for your fellow man so you'd defend them? Let's say someone had a gun on you and your family and backed you in a corner, and you had one too. You had to act quick. Let's say, for x reason, you couldn't get a clear shot to disarm him or hinder him. What would you do?

      "God (I imagine) is Good and does not have out-of-control negative emotions."

      But again, these emotions are not negative. No emotion is negative, or positive. They're just emotions, and can be used positively or negatively. Is happiness good? You might say so, but at the same time someone can be happy that something bad happened.

      "It is OK to Judge others for we must do so in order to live our lives, but the Judgment should not lead to Stress. Stress IS Bad. Stress causes strokes, heart attacks, skin conditions and ulcers."

      What if morally it led to something good? What if at the expense, I saved someone? By that same logic it'd be wrong to jump in front of a bullet for someone because it wounds me.

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      Jay C OBrien 10 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Please explain, I do not understand. How can anger, hatred or killing be directed for a "good" purpose?

      Is all killing of one human by another Bad? ... Yes.

      What was the motive; fear, anger, hatred?

      God (I imagine) is Good and does not have out-of-control negative emotions.

      It is OK to Judge others for we must do so in order to live our lives, but the Judgment should not lead to Stress. Stress IS Bad. Stress causes strokes, heart attacks, skin conditions and ulcers.

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      AF Mind 10 months ago

      Yes, but again, these emotions themselves are not negative.

      You're also applying the human part to it. The Almighty is not human, so his emotions are not easily manipulated or out of control. And those things themselves are not necessarily bad just because they can lead to PTSD. That's like saying it is wrong for you to kill in order to defend yourself or someone else just because it might have a negative effect on you. Just because something is good doesn't mean it's only going to feel good.

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      Jay C OBrien 10 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      AF Mind, how about if I say negative human emotions cause stress to the self and/or others and the stress should be avoided?

      I contend that wrath, vengeance and being a warrior (killing people) are not good motives. They lead to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

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      AF Mind 10 months ago

      Jay, you imply that wrath, vengeance, and being a warrior is evil. They're not. But misapplying them is where it gets wrong. These are not negative human emotions. They are emotions which can be good or evil. For example, anger. Is anger bad? No. But when we let our anger get the best of us it can be.

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      Jay C OBrien 10 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Take money and control out of a religion and see what is left. I believe in the motto: Help Ever; Hurt Never. That does not require money.

      All the sacred books (Bhagavad-Gita, Tora, Bible and Qur'an) depict God as a Warrior/Vengeful/Wrathful Killer. All these descriptions of Krishna, Yahweh, God or Allah are blasphemy. Any story which depicts God with negative human emotions is wrong.

      God is Good, Never Evil. All Evil is a Projection of Man.

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      AF Mind 10 months ago

      Absolutely. My beliefs have changed significantly since what I believed when I was younger. I'm only 19, ye what I believe is a whole lot different from what I believed back then. I grew up in a Baptist church raised by prosperity gospel types, and now I'm a Messianic who spends his time debunking false prophecies.

      And yeah, the tithe thins is right. But I won't give it away. Like you, I want people to research for themselves. A lot of my articles raise questions both in Christian and Jewish communities. If you would like to talk sometime, leave me a comment. I'd be willing to talk with someone as cordial and open minded as you are.

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