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Christ's Life Story, or was it? You Decide.

Updated on November 8, 2014

I know this is going to be a controversial subject, and I maintain an open mind on it myself at this point in time, but I have to question why it is that so many other religious icons and Gods, apparently have virtually the same life story as Christ, in spite of their stories frequently pre-dating Christianity by many centuries.

In this hub I will simply aim to put my research down so far, and ask you for feedback as to how this can be explained if Christ's story as told in the Bible is the only true version? If you believe that Christ's life story isn't true, then what are your feelings as to how these multiple stories attributed to different Gods or Icons came about?

Your feedback, comments and opinions will be greatly appreciated at the end of this hub, but please only comment if you have read the whole hub, rather than simply scrolling down to the bottom in order to voice an opinion.

Thank you.

Horus

Horus

First let us go to 'Horus' the Egyptian God who represented the ultimate in goodness and purity,

" I am the LORD thy God from the Land of Egypt and thou shalt know no God but me: for there is no Saviour beside me" Hosea 13:4, King James version.

Horus (represented by a symbol of the eye of a falcon, the shape of a Sparrow hawk or the body of a man or lion with a hawk's head), was worshipped thousands of years before the first century CE , the time Jesus was ministering in Palestine.

The legends of Horus had been in circulation for centuries before Christ's birth (circa 4 to 7 BCE).

Author theologian Tom Harpur studied several well known Authors who had written about the Ancient Egyptians and their religious beliefs, and put the information together into a book called 'Pagan Christ'. He made the point that all of the essential ideas in both Christianity and Judaism came mostly from the Egyptian religion.

"[Author Gerald] Massey discovered nearly two hundred instances of immediate correspondence between the mythical Egyptian material and the allegedly historical Christian writings about Jesus. Horus indeed was the archetypal Pagan Christ."

Examples of where life events between Horus and Jesus matched.

1) Both were conceived from a Virgin.

2) Horus was the only begotten Son of the God Osiris and Jesus was the only Son of God ( Yehovah).

3) The Foster Father of Horus was Seb (Jo-Seph), and the Foster Father of Jesus was Joseph.

4) Both Foster Fathers were of Royal descent.

5) Both Horus and Jesus were born in a cave or stable.

6) Annunciation, in both cases was by an angel to the respective Mothers.

7) In both cases the birth was heralded by a star.

8) Birth date, Ancient Egyptians would parade a baby in a manger through the streets typically on Winter solstice (Dec 21st). Jesus birthday celebrations were arranged to coincide with the birth date of Mithra, Dionysis and Sol Invictus (Dec 25th).

9) In both cases the birth announcement was made by angels.

10) In each case the witnesses were shepherds.

11) The later witnesses to the birth were three solar deities in the case of Horus, and three wise men in the case of Jesus.

12) Death threats were made to Horus by Herut, and to Jesus by Herod.

13) Each Mother was warned to hide their infant by a deity.

14) Each had to attend a special ritual at the age of 12 to mark their Rite of Passage.

15) Neither has any history between the ages of 12 and 30.

16) Both were baptised in rivers.

17) Both their baptisers were ultimately beheaded.

18) Both were taken from a desert and up a mountain and tempted by Satan, and both resisted the temptation.

19) Both walked on water, healed the sick,restored sight to the blind and calmed the sea.

20) Horus raised Osiris from the grave and Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave.

21) Location where the resurrection miracle occurred:

Horus: Anu, an Egyptian city where the rites of the death, burial and resurrection of Horus were enacted annually.

Jesus: Hebrews added their prefix for house ('beth") to "Anu" to produce "Beth-Anu" or the "House of Anu." Since "u" and "y" were interchangeable in antiquity, "Bethanu" became "Bethany," the location mentioned in John 11.

22) Origin of Lazarus' name in the Gospel of John: Asar was an alternative name for Osirus, Horus' father, who Horus raised from the dead. He was referred to as "the Asar," as a sign of respect. Translated into Hebrew, this is "El-Asar." The Romans added the prefix "us" to indicate a male name, producing "Elasarus." Over time, the "E" was dropped and "s" became "z," producing "Lazarus."

23) Both transfigured on a mountain.

24) Both held a sermon on the mount.

25) Both died by crucifixion

26) Both died accompanied by two thieves.

27) Both were buried in a tomb.

28) Both were resurrected after 3 days or 30-38 hours.

29) Both resurrections were announced by women.

30) Future, both reign for 1000 years in the Millennium.

The Eye of Horus

Both have many characteristics in common. Each was regarded as a mythical character, the Saviour of humanity and are frequently pictured in the arms of their Virgin Mothers.

Each are referred to as 'the anointed one', the good Shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word and the fisher.

Both are associated with symbols such as the Shepherd's Crook, the vine, the fish and the beetle.

Characteristics.

Criteria for salvation at the place of judgement:

Horus: "I have given bread to the hungry man and water to the thirsty man and clothing to the naked person and a boat to the shipwrecked mariner."

Jesus: "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me..." Matthew 25:35-36 (KJV).

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"I am" statements

Horus: "I am Horus in glory...I am the Lord of Light...I am the victorious one...I am the heir of endless time...I, even I, am he that knoweth the paths of heaven."

"I am Horus, the Prince of Eternity"

"I am Horus who stepeth onward through eternity...Eternity and everlastingness is my name."

"I am the possessor of bread in Anu. I have bread in heaven with Ra."

Jesus: "I am the light of the world....I am the way, the truth and the life."

"Before Abraham was, I am"

"Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever."

"I am the living bread that came down from heaven."

(From the Gospel of John)

Osiris
Osiris
Dionysis
Dionysis

Osiris-Dionysis

As in history these two Gods were frequently referred to by the composite name Osiris-Dionysis I shall refer to them by this for the purpose of this hub.

The following stories occur not only in the Gospels, but also in the myths of many of the God-Men.

Again, all of the Pagan myths had been circulating for many centuries before Jesus birth.

The Life Events Shared by Jesus and Osiris-Dionysis.

Conception:

In both cases they were the Son of God and were born of a virgin human Mother.

Birth:

Both were born in a cave or cowshed, (an early Christian belief was that the manger was placed in a cave), and both births were heralded by a star.

Ministry:

Both performed the miracle of converting water into wine at a marriage ceremony.

Neither could perform miracles in their hometown.

Their followers were all 'born again' after baptism by water.

Both rode triumphantly into the city on a donkey whilst onlookers waved palm leaves.

Both had 12 disciples

Both were accused of licentious behaviour.

Execution and Resurrection:

Both were killed around the Vernal Equinox (about Mar 21st).

Both died as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.

Both were hung on a tree, stake or cross.

Both descended into Hell, and after three days returned to life.

The caves where they laid were each visited by three female followers.

Both later ascended into Heaven.

Titles in Common:

Saviour of the World

Son of God.

Beliefs:

Both were 'God made man' and equal to the Father.

Both will return in the final days.

Both will judge the Human race at that time.

The sacrificial death of both Jesus and Osiris-Dionysis removed original sin and reunited the believers with God.

Mithra (Mithras)

Mithra (Mithras)

The Sun God, and worshipped throughout the Roman Empire by soldiers, slaves and noblemen alike, although women were forbidden to join this religion.

Legend said that Mithra was born from a rock within a cave and his birth was witnessed by a group of shepherds.Temples to Mithra have been found Rudchester, Housesteads and Carrawburgh.

Each day of the week was attributed to a planet, and the day associated with the Sun was held to be very holy. Seasonal holy days included the equinoxes and 25th December.

Because it was so widespread the worship of Mithra held a very real threat to Christianity, so it is not surprising that the Christians adopted many of the Mithra religion's aspects, such as making Sunday a holy day and treating December the 25th as a special day.

A leading Proponent of the 'Pagan copycat' view is Acharya S, who, in her magnum opus The Christ Conspiracy(118-120), lays out over a dozen things that Jesus supposedly has in common with Mithras and, by extension, Christianity allegedly borrowed to create the Jesus character; some of these points she now defends further in a work titled Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled.

These points are:

Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25th in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds.

He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.

He had 12 companions or disciples.

Mithra's followers were promised immortality.

He performed miracles.

As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.

He was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again.

His resurrection was celebrated every year.

He was called "the Good Shepherd" and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.

He was considered the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."

His sacred day was Sunday, the "Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

Mithra had his principal festival of what was later to become Easter.

His religion had a eucharist or "Lord's Supper," at which Mithra said, "He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved."

His annual sacrifice is the passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement or pledge of moral and physical regeneration.

Shmuel Golding is quoted as saying that 1 Cor. 10:4 is "identical words to those found in the Mithraic scriptures, except that the name Mithra is used instead of Christ."

The Catholic Encyclopedia is quoted as saying that Mithraic services were conduced by "fathers" and that the "chief of the fathers, a sort of pope, who always lived at Rome, was called 'Pater Patratus.'"

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Now to be fair the above points are hotly contested by Christians who claim that these statements were only made about Mithra after the life of Christ. If you wish to makes your own minds up about this I have posted a link below that argues the Christian point of view.

Buddha

The Buddha

Similarities also exist between the story of Buddha's life and Jesus Christ's.

Birth:

The Buddha was of royal descent. Born of the Virgin Maya ("the Queen of Heaven") on December 25th, announced by a star and attended by wise men presenting costly gifts. At his birth Brahma angels sang hymns. An aged holy woman beseeched the heavens to bless the child.

"In Buddhism the virgin birth concept occupies a central place and the suggestion of immaculate conception is also made. Buddha's future mother, Mahamaya, refrained form sexual activity and other worldly pleasures during the mid-summer festival and was taken off during a dream to the Himalayas. There she was purified by water to remove every human stain before being placed upon a divine couch ... After the conception, no lustful thought sprang up in the mind of future Buddha's mother ... The meaning usually ascribed to Buddha's birth legend centres on the fact that he chose to be born of a woman so as to become human himself, which would enable him to inspire other humans with the possibility of achieving perfection."

Life:

Buddha taught in temple at age 12 and was able to match the wise religious scholars in their understanding.

He was tempted by Mara, the Evil One, while fasting, but overcame the temptation, putting the Evil One to flight.

He was baptized in water with the Spirit of God present. He gained enlightenment under a tree known as the Bodhi Tree.

He healed the sick; fed 500 from a small basket of cakes; walked on water.

Ananda, Buddha's disciple, asked a woman at a well for a drink of water but she hesitated because she was of too low a caste to serve him.

Buddha's disciple wanted to hear his lord preach so he started to cross a stream - he doubted and started to sink but he built up his faith and continued to walk across the water.

Buddha came to fulfil the law and preached the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness.

He obliged followers to live in poverty and to renounce the world.

In his final years, Buddha was said to have 'crushed a serpent's head' and to have been transfigured on a mount ...'

It was Buddha, not Christ, who first said: 'If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also' (Matthew 5:39).

These words also were attributed to Lao Zi some 500 years before Jesus.

Names:

Good Shepherd; Carpenter; Alpha and Omega; Sin Bearer; Master; Light of the World; Redeemer; Saviour of the World.

Death:

[Note that there are many Buddhist belief systems with very different views of the events of the Buddha's life and death.] Buddha died (on a cross, in some traditions, according to Graves, Kersey, The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviours quoted here, as atonement for sins of others; . buried but arose again after tomb opened by supernatural powers. Ascended into heaven (Nirvana). Will return in later days to judge the dead.

He suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected: he ascended to Nirvana.

"And when the Sage entered Nirvana, the earth quivered like a ship struck by a squall, and firebrands fell from the sky. The heavens were lit up by a preternatural fire, which burned without fuel, without smoke, without being fanned by the wind. Fearsome thunderbolts crashed down on the earth, and violent winds raged in the sky. The moon's light waned, and, in spite of a cloudless sky, an uncanny darkness spread everywhere." Translation by Edward Conze, in Conze (ed.), Buddhist Scriptures (Penguin Books, 1959), pp. 62-4

Source

On his burial, Buddha's funeral clothes were said to have 'unrolled themselves, and the lid of his coffin was opened by a superhuman agency, when he ascended bodily into heaven'

Conclusion

As I stated at the start of this hub, I remain open-minded, but also curious as to how these similar stories are possible, and how it can be that all of these Gods or Icons can actually have had most of the same life experiences, unless either:

A. The Christian faith really did adopt the ancient religion's stories to make converting Pagan people to Christianity easier.

B. All of these Gods and Icons are one and the same being, and only the dates they each allegedly existed are are inaccurate.

C. None of the stories are true and are all just ancient Legends that have been passed down through the ages, and are now treated as factual events by Christians who have read and been taught these same tales in the Bible and by the Church over the centuries.

or

D. An answer yet to be determined and one that makes logical sense.

There are many other examples of Gods who share similar life stories or whose lives included similar events to the story of Jesus Christ, far too many to cover all of them here. In case you would like to do your own research into some of the others you could begin with looking at are:

Tammuz: Syria and Babylon.

Krishna: India.

Zarathustra: Asia Minor (possibly modern day Iran).

Lao Zi: China.

Attis: Turkey (Anatolia).

Heracles: Greece (in the Roman Empire Hercules).

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    Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    I really do like the way you think Rob, (oh and by the way, a Hub is the same as an article, only difference being that it is written and published on the Hubpages website, hope this helps).

    By the way, I did write another hub on a similar subject and that was about whether the Pre-Trib Rapture is myth or fact. The link to that article if you are interested in reading it is: https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Raptu...

    I have done a few others too, and I will add them to a links section at the end of the hub above :)

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    Ron again 5 years ago

    Misty,

    I just want to add that I enjoyed your HUB. Although, I'm not sure what a HUB is, I don't keep up with the latest technology ... blog, facebook, twitter etc.

    I enjoyed your comments and many of your responders. I thought the person who said that choice of religion was more an accident of geography than anything else, really hit it on the nose.

    Like I said I'm agnostic. No religion seems to have it right, in my mind. Maybe they all have a very small piece of the puzzle.

    I'm sure when the time comes for everyone to move on. They will be surprised and say:"It's totally different than I ever expected, but yet it makes perfect sense."

    I can't escape the feeling that some sort of judgement awaits all of us. Otherwise, what was the purpose?

    I don't think it will be heaven or hell. Heaven to me won't be sitting in a church all day and worshiping a god. That has always bothered me --Jesus demanding to be worshiped. This would be such a loathsome quality for a human.

    Heaven to me would be having your health and being on a vacation all the time. Hell would be doing community service in heaven until worthy of joining.

    Why couldn't we have an afterlife without a god? Maybe our next life still doesn't give us the answers? Maybe we are meant to gradually fill in the universe a life at a time with an immortal soul?

    I hope you will follow up this subject or a related topic. It is so ironic that all the billions of people on this earth argue and kill over an opinion on god. And without dying no one can prove who's right, if anyone is.

    It just seems like someone from a far is enjoying this whole scenario.

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    Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks for sharing your personal beliefs here Pollyannalana. I will respectfully have to agree to disagree.

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    Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

    Real Christians study the word of God and know the truth. Who is it going to hurt most if someone is wrong? Satan has a counterfeit for everything. He will send an anti-Christ soon claiming to be Christ. Christians won't be here for that though, but it is good to let everyone know because at that time after the Church is gone there will be no more Age of Grace and ones left will have no Jesus to turn to anymore so you had better go to Him now while you can. His arms are open. Now.

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    Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Hi again Ron, you are on the 'same page as me' on this one in many ways, especially in the way Christians are so closed minded to other points of view. I liked your 'Twilight Zone' comparison too, so true, and all too often.

    I fall into more of the Pagan side of beliefs, as in, look after the planet and all that resides on it and you won't go far wrong. After all, don't we have a duty to look after it as we are only 'borrowing it' at best, and our actions directly impact on all the other 'tenants' that reside on it too? If there is a God, then surely that is what he would want us to do. Like you said earlier, only after the last heartbeat will we know for sure!

    Loved your George Carlin quote too :)

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    Ron 5 years ago

    I'm 68 and have struggled with religion all my life. I have an open mind on the subject; I guess that makes me agnostic.

    I have been turned off by Christians in recent year. I think it's their arrogance and complete lack of an open mind. Their answers to my questions are always, "You must have faith or it's God's will"

    During the start of the Iraq war, when President Bush claimed that God had directed him to go to war. I couldn't believe it when the country swallowed it--are we living in the "Twilight Zone" I thought.

    Personally, I agree with George Carlin, when he said: "You'll have the same success rate whether you pray to God or the Easter Bunny."

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    Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Hi Ron, I err towards believing he did exist, my doubt is more as to if he was 'the son of God' or just a prophet. I certainly pay little attention to what is in the Bible in terms of stories.

    I agree that we will most likely only ever find out the truth after our final heartbeat.

    Thanks for your thoughts on this :)

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    Ron 5 years ago

    Very interesting reading. I had heard about similiar Jesus stories that predated Christ, but I didn't realize that there were so many.

    Still, it's hard to believe that Christ is possibly just a myth. There seems to be so much evidence that he existed, and historically it really wasn't that long ago.

    Personally, I believe no one is meant to find out the truth until that final heartbeat.

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    Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Glad you enjoyed this Dawud, I confess I haven't researched 'Ithna Ashari Imamiyyah Shi'a' but it does sound interesting from what you describe. Right now I am busy on many other projects, so looking into this further or engaging in email exchanges could be rather difficult for me. I wrote this article several years ago now, and since then have written on many subjects that capture my interest, trouble is there are only so many hours in the day and writing on religious topics does cause problems as you can probably guess if you read the early comments made on this article. Gets all very stressful, so I tend to avoid it now.

    Thanks for your feedback again, perhaps you could look into writing an article or two here on the subject. I have a link to where you can join Hubpages on my Profile Page, and you would probably find your chosen topic attracted a lot of views and debate, plus you could earn some income from your writing in the process if you write enough material.

    Peace to you too :)

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    Dawud 5 years ago

    Good hub.

    misty,

    have you done any research about Islam (specifically Ithna Ashari, Imamiyyah Shi'a)? It is interesting that the Qur'an says things differently from the Bible and hasn't been proven wrong in it's deviance of Christian thought.

    I'm a convert from Protestantism to Shi'a Islam, I'm an open-minded individual who favours unbiased research.

    Feel free to email me on dalamriki@gmail.com

    peace

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    Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks for sharing your opinions Tennerson. I am guessing many will not agree with you, but that is what happens with religion as we all know. Personally I am a Pagan by faith, and whilst I do believe there was a Christ and he did exist, I do not follow most of what is in the Bible because Christ didn't write a word of it. I do however naturally have a Pagan affinity with the moon, the stars, the sun, the universe, the trees, the animals etc etc. To me God is all around us, and it is not my place to say which stories are the true ones, or which deity (if any) experienced these legends, because we simply cannot ever know for sure until we are dead!

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    TENNERSON 5 years ago

    I think some of your research information needs to be corrected, BUDHA did not have the same life experience of JESUS, although he was a messenger of G_D. All G_D messengers come at a time when the world is in a state of spiritual and moral decline. As a result of this messengers are sent. The messengers sent by G_D, are KRISHNA, ABRAHAM, BUDHA, ZOROASTER, MOSES, JESUS, MUHAMMED, BAB, BAHAULLAH. From these teachings man made religion, and in the name of JESUS CHRIST corrupted the teachings of all the other messengers for they have made JESUS G_D. There is but one G_D, one Religion, and one race for all the messengers preach their is one G_D. Man created religion. Once we practice the teachings faithfully of the teachings of these messengers we are united with the Universal creator but to worship any of the messengers as being G_D is worshiping idols the messengers bring new light but we are to worship only that which we cannot see for our mind cannot conceive the creator, look at the signs around you the moon the stars, the sun and the other planets no man can create such things. The messengers who comes after the one before him has to correct the teachings of the former this is why they are persecuted because on each arrival man has already deviated from the truth with their man made religions.

    THY WILL BE DONE.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Interesting comment DJ and thanks for posting it. I can't say I am familiar with the books of of jubilee and enoch, but I would be interested to know more about the fallen angels and the nemphillium who I have heard of.

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    DJ 6 years ago

    Actually to be quite honest God's people actually came from Egypt if you think about it, around Moses time frame, but if you look back even before then you have to look even beyond the books of the bible and look atthe books of jubilee and enoch to reflect as to why there are so many gods and goddesses out there. I myself contemplated this subject weeks ago until someone told me to read the book of enoch, about the fallen angels and about the nemphillium. very interesting stuff.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Interesting theory ctbrown, although I believe that most people accept the old testament is too flawed to be true, e.g. problem with too small a gene pool to be viable with just Adam and Eve, where do dinosaurs fit in to the plan, stone age man etc etc. Essentially it seems most likely the old testament is, at best, a legend itself that happened to be included in the Bible, and bearing in mind when the Bible was written down, the legends within this hub would pre-date it.

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    ctbrown7 6 years ago

    Your assumption that any of these legends pre-date Christianity is where this hub errs. The Bible teaches that Christ was taught from the beginning of time beginning with Adam. If that is true, it is easy to see how these other legends could be build around the many prophecies of Christ.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks for adding the link peanutroaster.

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    peanutroaster 6 years ago from New England

    Evangelists should educate themselves on the origins of their literal interpretations.

    https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Jesus-How...

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks for your input and feedback Gogges :)

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    gogges 6 years ago

    mmm. all life is by nature,growing ,changing .to think that one single deity rules over us, at their whim or desigin is the stuff off sci fi . . i have no dought that jesus lived as did his similie . so many stories of simila tales must be grounded in truth . but in the truth of superstitious peoples. what they cannot explian they would of made up .

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thank you nakedidea, this hub certainly drew some amazing comments, both agreeing and disagreeing with its content. The shades vs vial section of comments was amazing, and shades is an absolute genius with words. I am sure many were riveted by the exchange. I am very glad you feel this was worth bookmarking :)

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    nakedidea 6 years ago

    Two years later, the topic is still active. Perhaps because it's so interesting and full of open minded humans with the same curiosity. I've bookmarked this page because I want to continue reading the comments (just finished the shades vs viral lol). Great post Misty, not only do you share your work with us, you also become a part of it.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thank you Greg, I am glad you found this useful :)

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    greg 6 years ago

    thank you for this is useful information.its great to know that not all of us are brian washed.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks so much for taking the time to write this wonderful comment T. It must have taken you a long time, and you put considerable thought into every word of it. Up to now I have never received the direct contact from God that Mike prayed for on my behalf, but I am never going to rule out the possibility it might yet happen. Like I may have said before, I do believe in Christ, and I do believe in a God, it is the Bible I have a problem with, and what is and isn't true. I still question whether Jesus was actually the 'Son of God' or if he was just a great prophet for instance.

    One thing is for sure, I will get all the answers when I die, which may be why I have no real fear of death, only the manner in which it happens.

    Thanks again for your wonderful comment.

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    6 years ago

    Was researching for a works cited page when I came across this in the searching, I'm really moved that you are so open and just want answers and you're not looking for a debate about opinion but facts. I know that this was started a long while back, but I know that it takes a lot for a persons view to change. And as you have not posted otherwise, I assume you have not come to the conclusion in this matter. I am not by any means a theologian or some a person of great knowledge... but I can post things that I have come across that have been eye-opening to me. I am a believer in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and I have to say that all of your thoughts posted on this hub are valid questions... and I am very glad to remember in scripture ... at least one prophet I know for certain... but I think a few others as well... that questioned God. And God answered them. So raising questions is a good thing as long as you are sincerely searching for truth and I know you are. So what I have to offer isn't much... like I said, I'm not a great learned person but what I have to offer, I will.

    As I've read by other writers, Jesus in fact was not born in December at all but sometime.... in the early fall I think. so that leads to the question, why on earth does anyone celebrate christmas then as jesus birthday? ... there's lots of views on that and that's not EXACTLY what I want to expound on (whether christmas should be a christian holiday or not)but rather as to the significance of December 25th and there is a DVD on that with research done and it is called the star of bethlehem with the website (www.bethlehemstar.net/) I found it very it very interesting and informative. Again... I don't have the tools to look this all up on my own... and someone may have things to say against this, but it's what I've seen and I hope perhaps it can answer questions or lead to answered questions.

    My answer D for you would be that Jesus is God. and that the devil is an expert deceiver... able to deceive even the ones who are christians if they don't have a mind to seek truth and just follow the crowd.

    again... I've seen that you have received this answer before and I know that this answer does not provide facts in itself at all. It leads to only questions... but I pray that your heart to look for truth will lead you to truth.

    I really don't want to seem like I'm preaching... I hope I don't come across seeming like that... but I really do hope that God reveals himself to you like your friend Mike from Ireland said... and I'll be with him praying that God really comes straight to your heart and speaks to you in a way that you just can't deny it's from Him. I really hate how the devil works to deceive us... and how subtle he is... oops... I'm going off again. Sorry also about the frequent use of periods... or ellipsis, it's how I talk (with frequent pauses) and it transfers over in the writing.

    Thanks for reading!

    Continue searching for truth and don't stop until you see it. Truth really is worth seeking after. the only other video I saw that extremely touched my life was a video that is based off this website (www.morethandreams.org/)

    that's about it. Hope that the info I gave was informative and gives answers for you and that you have time to read it. If I ever have time I'll try to do independent research on all these things.

    Like, Mike said, my relationship with God is just that. I don't appreciate religion because it is dead. I wanted Life. I got life. I've had loads of questions... and I asked them. And my God has answered every question I've posed Him... and it's all been good answers for me...

    ok... really ending now... thanks again for reading

    T

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    Timothy Donnelly 6 years ago from Ontario, Canada

    MistyHorizon2003, re. Christ’s Life Story, or was it? You decide. I would like to offer an explanation to consider that the primary source of all the helpful wisdom credited to the various people, even venerable people, comes from the Great I AM, the Creator of man.

    It is taught in The LDS church that this is the last DISPENSATION of the Gospel. There were other dispensations, even from the days of ADAM. Each dispensation was and is taught the “Plan of Salvation”, and the Messiah, an integral part of that Plan, was prophesied about from the figurative DAY ONE. When we hear of the prophesies of Jesus Christ, we may also certainly hear what He has done and will do, and why He must do what He has been entrusted to do.

    Jesus in the flesh, during His mortality and earthly ministry, revealed another dispensation of the Gospel (seems like things got a little out of whack since the previous one; Jesus straightened all that out -- again).

    In these Latter-days, the Prophet Joseph Smith was entrusted by God to bring forth this final dispensation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Throughout, the “Plan of Salvation” taught that a Messiah was a necessary and fundamental part of the Redemption of man, as well as many “Saving” principles to live by, for our benefit.

    Misty, each time some information is passed, something will get messed up; slowly, but surely, the veracity of the original message is lost, or changed, and thus it becomes either false, incomprehensible, or incomplete. I say this however with an important qualifier: when people do not have a true prophet of God to lead them, and where meticulous records are not scrupulously kept, this “messed up” eventuality always happens -- without question. That in itself explains why the many sages of different cultures and times do not hold fast to, or “reason” that a Redeemer is necessary for the saving of souls.

    Some of the noteworthy sages may have even received the “credit” for several “Saving” principles, either by ostensibly taking the credit themselves, or by the saving principles and wise messages being attributed to them as the initial genius and progenitor of that wisdom, even without their permission or ability to correct that bestowed credit.

    I have been working on a hub which hopefully I can release soon which stresses that while there may be MANY “Saviours”, per se, many sages and healing physicians (even noble people), BUT there is only ONE Redeemer, and that is Jesus Christ -- an absolute necessity to act as our advocate to Heavenly Father.

    Peace and good tidings Misty, and thanks for the opportunity to share this information. I hope it will be considered by as many as have read your thought-provoking and useful-to-consider hub.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Hi CMerritt, thanks so much for commenting here. Your thoughts and comments are always welcome, and the nice thing is that you gave your thoughts on this subject without getting nasty or aggressive like many former commenters did in the early days on this hub. I always welcome that kind of input, and you did make valid points.

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    Chris Merritt 6 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

    Misty, I love your honesty to your hubs. I am a fan!

    I am a Christian. I have read about the other comparisons. It is great conversation peices. It merely seems the significant impact that Christ has had over a course of two thousand years is mind boggling. He has help produce the ALL-TIME best selling book to ever exist. The MILLIONS and MILLIONS of personal testamonies that has changed the lives of so many, due to this one man.

    This is all accomplished via faith.

    I am not here to dispute, just to comment, with a few random thoughts.

    :)

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks for your posts Dave, they definitely add a lot to this hub and give further 'food for thought'.

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    Dave 6 years ago

    By the way Misty I am aware that my last post may be slightly out of context or grammatically not brilliant. I am posting from an IPhone and I can't go back to read over what I write so aplogies in advance for the erratic style of writing...

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    Dave 6 years ago

    Www.thedivineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html

    Check the above thread please all those interested in this story and please read the whole thing. I would appreciate your comments. It would appear that a lot of the so called parallels between the various mystical traditions are not so clean cut as the internet blogs make them out to be...

    Yet even if there are parallels this does not necessarily mean there is some conspiracy theory for Christianity or any other religion to 'hijack' each others stories...

    Synchronicities between different spiritual traditions can point to an underlying unity which crosses boundaries from paganism to Buddhism to Christianity or any other so called religion or tradition.

    Jesus Christ spoke of the unity of all things... So did Buddha and many more... But if all things are one why does everyone create their own 'camp'?

    To the author of this blog thank you for your initial questions and what it has created.

    Personally I am not Christian per se but I believe that Jesus Christ manifested in physical reality some of what were previously myths of the spiritual worlds. I do feel that alot of what is recorded about this figure is historically accurate although this of course is an opinion...

    Many of the miracles etc carried out by JC have been done many times by Hindu and Buddhist sages etc. It only takes a small amount of research into the worlds spiritual literature to realise these acts are most likely possible and have occurred many times.

    I think JC was the most significant and important catalysts in human evolution however to date... And I am not a fundamentalist Christian or any other religionist. This is simply where I am at...

    To say that all of the spiritual literature and culure of humanity is some sort of delusion is in itself a delusion. It is crazy to say all of those millions of people who have had profound spiritual experiences in many different cultures are crazy...

    But as JC taught it is all just about love...

    To all those who would say 'prove it' when talking about the spiritual traditions can you 'prove' the existence of love? I mean really prove it or measure it like our scientific age seems to demand of everything...

    Yet what is the most important force in the world?

    If your answer is anything other than love I challenge you to look deeper...

    Love cannot be 'proven' and neither can many of the things that are written about JC or Buddha etc. They are simply encouraging us to look deeper into our own nature...

    What are we?

    I hope this adds in some manner to your blog.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Nicely said C.K. I wish others would think more like you do and follow the "love thy neighbour" wavelength also.

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    c.k. 6 years ago

    Weather the story is the same for many who were Gods or Prophets or weather it was only real for one and the others "hijacked" it...does it really matter? We, the person we are, is God. We have the powers that God have. We must put our powers together for the love of this earth and the people on it and together - and only together as a whole unit loving together will we be able to know and experience God in it's almighty.

    We are in a time of opportunity to show the word leaders who are the Satan's that are tempting us - that we will resist that temptation and all band together by opening up our 6th sense and tuning it in to the "love thy neighbor" wavelength. We have to show the evil at the top (which are very few compared to our numbers) that the Good will overcome. So which every story you believe - take what it says - the message is same - Love one Another.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks Richard, interesting input and information.

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    Richard 6 years ago

    One must look at the earliest civilazations and the use of the zodiac (pisces and virgo inparticular). To understand the rebirth of mankind. Jesus story not original.

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    Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thank you Dr Bowers, it is informed and intelligent comments like yours that make writing articles like this worthwhile. You gave a response that was intellectual and not abusive or judgemental. Clearly you are an educated person and did not need to resort to the frequently rude response articles such as this one usually attract (from all beliefs). I am very grateful.

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    Dr Randolph Bowers 6 years ago

    Fascinating discussion here and funny enough I can't resist adding a comment commending all the people involved here, and the author of the hub comparing the narrative of Jesus to other figures throughout history. In my world of both real human beings, scholarship, and discourse all people's autonomy and beliefs are respected and honored even when they differ from my own and even when they challenge me to the core. To allow ourselves to question and be challenged is a wonderful and rare gift, and is a sign of a more mature human being who continues on the path of learning.

    Personally? As someone who is deeply interested in spiritual phenomena and who has made a life long study of how people construct their sense of personal, social and cultural meaning (what we call spirituality, and in its more institutional forms relating to theology, dogma and religious systems), the last questions posed in the hub tell me the most about the underlying epistemological (philosophical) assumptions that generate the questions themselves. In other words, the author may be coming from a somewhat traditional contemporary western empirical, phenomenological, and humanistic stance (in broad terms, and not being particular, but naming only three layers of modernism which are of particular merit within this quite postmodern time of social and cultural change and upheaval).

    In other words, the underlying meaning or values or philosophy or epistemology generate the questions we raise about meaning. For example, why rely exclusively on the notion of "fact" per se? This notion arises within a largely post industrial enlightenment context in the west that prizes empirical and determined reality. However, there are many other forms of knowing or epistemology. By expanding our underlying values or philosophy (I am not talking about beliefs here, but the very way our values construct our approach to forming beliefs in the first instance), we open ourselves to understanding the emergence of human intelligence itself within our own mind and consciousness. For instance, we know from experience that knowledge is not just facts or black and white truth verses fiction. Knowing as an experience is relational, contextual, cultural, social, inter-generational, intuitive, visionary, inspiring, conflictual, challenging, and is both step-wise and integrative. Overtime knowing draws on synthesis and transformation - which is why the whole field of transpersonal psychology proposes that knowledge itself is one component of human growth and potential.

    Again, if we expand into other cultural views which also exist within the western heritage but have largely been overlooked and suppressed for centuries, we can open ourselves to experience other approaches, for example we may also rely more on symbolic meaning, metaphor, or the inherent value of how stories (legends or myths) contain many instructive and helpful layers of meaning and within these, many cultural associations given to assist people on their human path of growth and learning.

    By adding this instructive measure here, I only wish to convey a sense of respect to all people in keeping with what (to me) are the central vital and life-giving meanings of the "Jesus Stories" shared in this hub. I am not commenting on anything else here but the core metaphorical teachings these stories convey - that we each are human beings on a path of learning, growth and potential. As human beings we are all in some metaphoric way born of a virgin; we all are born in a cave; we all grow up and become learners and sharers and colleagues; and we all struggle with the human condition in many and varied ways that all symbolically lead to crisis of meaning, existential suffering, and eventual demise and death, followed by some forms of symbolic after-life even if that is as simple as how our bodies are fodder for future roses, or as complex as becoming grandparents, or as indirect as sharing scholarship or information or teachings with people who carry that knowledge onward...

    Thus personally I respect and admire the Sacred Traditions of all our human Ancestors of all Nations. And by looking at how we make our sense of meaning, and then respecting the metaphoric value of that meaning that is generated, rather than examining or needing to know facts or truths as definitive or carved in stone, we really begin to see how creative and important these stories are. As Aboriginal elders are known to say, 'our stories are our medicine.'

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Hi Shaun, if I am totally honest, since doing all the research I did end up feeling very much like this is a story shared by many religious icons and that the bulk of the evidence does seem to point towards the fact that much of the Christ story has been 'hijacked' from far more ancient icons. However, I do still believe Christ existed and that whatever his story actually was we will never truly know. The trouble with men writing things down, is that inevitably they will put their own slant on to things, make omissions, corrections, use artistic license, embellish facts, mistranslate, manipulate etc etc. There are no doubt large chunks of the story that are accurate, but there are equally likely to be large chunks that are not.

    Thanks for commenting and I am glad you enjoyed the hub :)

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    ShaunLindbergh 7 years ago

    Great hub! Are you really still open-minded after all that information? Slightly tongue-in-cheek question, "how much information do you need to be convinced?" Hmmm. Thanks.

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    Richard 7 years ago

    Very insightful. As members of this race we are and should be open to all things. In the beginning was God... so each life has a new beginning. With that said the story continues. Thank you for sharing.

    Love and light

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Excellent and thought provoking comment foxxsden, thanks for making it.

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    foxxsden 7 years ago

    The problem is that mankind has been fooled on an extraordinary level (more than just conspiracy). We are taught to live in the physical and not the spiritual. Religion is the problem with spirituality ironically enough. the true understanding of who we are as the human race is being hidden from us, because it will upset the apple cart so to speak.

    The study of a particular race of people will bring one so much closer to the truth. but that race has been villafied, and discounted. just as the bible predicts. there are many truths hidden in the ancient and mythical truths of the past. the key is to study the original forms of spirituality. which can be found in the history of the world's oldest race. it's not about colour, but at the same time it is. we've all been taught to fear that knowledge. to treat it as foreign. it is the true nature and history of ALL mankind. don't fear it embrace it. in alot of the Egyptian pyramids one of the KEY teachings was "know thy self". that saying can be found rooted in almost all religions. i challenge all of you to search history from 1 persprective. you start from the true beginning and you will find yourselves in that journey.

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks Jayne, I am very much inclined to agree with you the more I learn throughout my life.

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    Jayne Lancer 7 years ago from West London, UK

    What an interesting Hub.

    You know, most of what is written in The Bible was passed down by word of mouth, so it can't possibly be accurate. Most of it, if not all, probably isn't even true.

    Enjoyed the read! Real food for thought.

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Hi Hubcrafter, I responded to your question and left the following answer:

    mistyhorizon2003 says

    "Well, I did respond, but you didn't answer it in time. Meanwhile I decided to delete the comments section due to my main committment being my vegetable allotment right now, (and I believe the religious forums are the best location for those who enjoy scrapping verbally over religion). You no doubt know by now I have replied to you saying as much, only I chose to do it by direct mail, not by trying to gain support by making my response a public question, (I have to say so many Christians seem to spoil for a fight that it does nothing positive for the credibility of Christianity). I am a former Christian, but don't go around attacking other's religious choices, and detest this technique used by "die hard Christians", (even when this seems a very 'un-christian way to behave)."

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    I see you then left the following response to me, I quote:

    HubCrafter says

    "Your Hub's ideas are based upon a popular book that makes sensational claims about Jesus Christ. I did the research and showed those claims to be false and unsupported by facts in my comment. I cited my sources so that anyone could read them and decide for themselves.

    You wrote: "You no doubt know by now I have replied to you saying as much, only I chose to do it by direct mail."

    -No. You never wrote me or contacted me by any form of mail. Why you say this is beyond me.

    "I decided to delete the comments section due to my main committment being my vegetable allotment..."

    After a hearty laugh, I thought it best to let you explain...what the heck you're talking about, lol.

    "..don't go around attacking other's religious choices..."

    You made the choice to publish this hub. Your choice was to attack other people's religious beliefs. After agreeing, in YOUR comment, that you accepted the cited research authors and that many good points were raised....you deleted the entire comments section from this hub.

    I didn't talk about religion. I quoted authors and cited sources.

    This is the real world; a world where publishers fiercely compete to survive. Since the sixties, the latest readership "prey" they've found are the gullible; those willing to believe any crazy thing JUST because it's in print.

    Your favorite author's very poular book is part of that craze."

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    Well.....

    I know I told you I avoid religious debates as they are usually futile, but your response there left me unable to leave your comments unanswered, so I shall address them here:

    Firstly my hub was not based upon any book, but was based on comparisons that have been drawn over many years, even prior to any book you quote, although the book in question that you refer to may also have cited these similarities. Indeed it is possible the same book made errors, I cannot say, as I have never read the book you refer to.

    Yes, I did reply to you by direct mail, but cannot understand why you might not have received it unless one of our servers failed in some way to deliver it. I certainly would not say I had replied to you by direct mail if I hadn't.

    As for my quote about being busy with my vegetable allotment being a reason to delete my comments section giving you a "hearty laugh", I made it pretty clear that I did not have the time to engage in futile and endless debates, and that at this time of year my allotment takes priority. This may be more understandable for you if you realise my allotment is about 200 metres long by about 8 metres wide, and I weed, sow seeds, mulch and harvest etc every part of it on my own, therefore it is a full time job in the warmer months, and this is why I write and interact on hubpages far more in the cold months. Not really very funny as it makes perfect sense that weeds etc do not wait for me to finish an endless religious debate with a commenter.

    I left this comments section up for a couple of days after replying to your comment, and as I had not received a reply by then I assumed you had read my response and decided not to continue the discussion. At this point I chose to remove the comments section in order to avoid further comments that would again take precious time away from my gardening when I was forced to respond to them as if I didn't, it could be misinterpreted as my "not being able to defend my position", when actually I just didn't have the time to further research my responses at this time of year. I never deleted the comments, only temporarily decided not to show that capsule, (in order to be able to show it again in the future when I was less busy).

    Much of the information in this hub with regards to stories common to both Christ and other deities can be found simply by researching the deities in question individually, and are not unique to any one book.

    Oh, for the record I did not "attack" anyone's beliefs. I simply gave people the option to draw the comparisons for themselves and make a decision. This did not actually require a comments section at all, as I don't need to know what conclusion these readers draw, (that is their own business). Like I explained to you, I do believe in Jesus, but not necessarily what is written in the Bible, (as this seems likely to be the words of men, not of Jesus himself), and this would explain the similarities between Jesus life story and other well respected deities. As you will see from a number of the comments left, there are many who acknowledge that the stories have been duplicated many times in different religions, (and surely not all of these people have read the Tom Harpur book!!)

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Well I guess that I am of the opinion that forgetting books for a moment, these are frequently things taught in many religions by their "priests, holy men" etc. As a Pagan myself, I see many religious festivals in Christianity are "taken" from ancient Pagan celebrations, even the image of a cross stems back to Pagan times. As a Pagan I do believe in Jesus, (not unusual), but, (returning to books for a moment), doubt the majority of the Bible is anything other than the words of men, not of Jesus. In fact you summed it up very well in your comment "Sensationalism is not new. Neither is the willingness of some to accept whatever they read simply because it's in print." and "There are many examples of books in print today which have gained notoriety..but have no basis in fact."

    I respect your opinion and beliefs, and I recognise your information has merit from what I can see. I have no desire to get into heated debate on a hub as I already avoid the religious forums because the squabbling and fighting reeks of everything I hate about religious differences. No-one ever appears to change their opinions, so what is the point of the arguments and what stands to be gained?

    Anyway, must close for now as it is past 02.00am here, (very late and time for bed). Goodnight for now. Peace.

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    HubCrafter 7 years ago from Arizona

    Allegations are not facts.

    Show me the research.

    Books, television programs and speakers who must constantly resort to words like: "perhaps", "maybe", "no one knows" and such ilk are just speculating. If something is unknown, it's not known. But to leap from "maybe" to assertions of truth without the facts makes them unreliable.

    There are many examples of books in print today which have gained notoriety..but have no basis in fact. Publishers, anxious to make a buck, have willingly published fiction as if it were fact. Sensationalism is not new. Neither is the willingness of some to accept whatever they read simply because it's in print.

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks for the information Hubcrafter, it makes for an interesting read. Obviously as you must know there are many questions raised about the similarities between the apparent Christ story and other well known and worshipped Gods that are not as a result of Tom Harpur's writings. Sadly I guess to find the actual truth the only solution is to die and see what comes next. I appreciate your comment and the information contained within it, although for me I am still of an open mind because of the other similarities out there that there seems no explanation for.

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    HubCrafter 7 years ago from Arizona

    Hi misty:

    We all love a little research. Here's some of mine about the author you are citing, Tom Harpur...

    Apologetics Press :: In the News

    Reviewing Tom Harpur’s The Pagan Christ

    by Kyle Butt, M.A.

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    "In 2004, former Anglican priest and prolific author Tom Harpur wrote a book titled The Pagan Christ. The thesis of Harpur’s work is that the story of Jesus was never meant to be viewed as that of a real, historical person. Instead, the story of Jesus is a “myth” that has deep spiritual meaning only when it is seen as an allegory that represents the divine spark that lives, dies, and comes back to life in each of our hearts. In fact, Harpur suggests that the Jesus story is simply the copying of myths from Egypt that were around thousands of years before the first century. He stated: “I will clearly document that there is nothing the Jesus of the Gospels either said or did...that cannot be shown to have originated thousands of years before, in Egyptian Mystery rites and other sacred liturgies such as the Egyptian Book of the Dead” (2004, p. 10). Harpur concludes that “[l]iteral, descriptive narrative inevitably leads to either idolatry or utter nonsense,” thus the stories about Jesus’ life and work recorded in the gospel accounts cannot be taken literally.

    While reading Harpur’s book, it quickly becomes apparent that the “clear documentation” for his claims is wanting. He rarely includes an original source for the alleged parallels between the stories of Jesus and other myths. He relies heavily on secondary sources, and even then he fails to cite specific page numbers or the immediate contexts of the quotes he uses. In addition, his oft-repeated allegation that the story of Jesus is simply a hodge-podge of reiterated ancient myth has been definitively refuted (see Butt and Lyons, 2006), along with his charge that Jesus was not a historical person (see Butt, 2000).

    In addition, Harpur makes much of the fact that the birth of Christ has traditionally been celebrated on the 25th of December. He stated:

    The evidence that Christianity was in its beginning firmly rooted in the Egyptian-style, equinoctial mode of thinking still abounds today. The birthday of Jesus Christ was first celebrated by the earliest Church in the spring of the year. But in 345, Pope Julius decreed that the birthday (nobody knew any precise date for it, suggesting again that the entire thing was pure myth) should thenceforth be held on December 25, three days after the “death” of the winter solstice and the same day on which the births Mithras, Dionysus, the Sol Invictus (unconquerable sun), and several other gods were traditionally celebrated (2004, pp. 82-83, emp. added).

    This quote provides yet another classic example of the way Harpur reasons. First, we are never given a source that documents his assertion that Christians first celebrated Jesus’ birth in the Spring of the year. Second, Harpur never supplies the first hint of an original source that the birthdays of Mithras, Dionysus, or Sol Invictus were celebrated on December 25. And third, his entire discussion is moot if we are trying to assess the story of Jesus found in the New Testament, since never once is a date mentioned for Jesus’ birth, nor is any celebration of his birth recorded or enjoined."

    Here's my source: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/240302

    Just because an author is published doesn't make their ideas true. Harpur is the source for these "comparisons" between Christ and these other gods. Harpur has NO substantiation for his citations. None. Period. It's just fiction being sold as fact. Sensationalism in publishing is NOT new and neither is this pathetic attempt by that author to enrich himself at the expense of his hood-winked readers.

    HubCrafter

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    Truth Follower (Jesus) 7 years ago

    If all people actually read the Bible and understood it by the power of the Holy Spirit (as it can only be understood because it is Spiritually Discerned) then they would know (children in Sunday school know this!) that: A)The writer's of the Bible were Spirit led, so God actually oversaw it's writings. B) The Bible warns us over and over again "let no man deceive you", for there are many "false Christs & false prophets in the world"...and many will give way to "seducing spirits and false doctrines". Now if trusting in Jesus alone is too much to handle for some people, then it's so obvious that they are "open" to the wiles of Satan. The writers of the Bible would not write such a compilation of "stories" which so strongly would condemn their own actions (themselves), "condemns" mankinds' sins, actions and behaviours. Lastly, remember, Satan was cast to this earth "before" God created it (He was in the serpent in the garden, remember Genesis?). Therefore he has had lots of time (and still does, although his time is getting short), to create every conceiveable lie he can to discredit the Gospel, as he does today. Revelation reveals how Satan tries so hard to duplicate the "Holy Trinity" with his "false trinity" Satan vs. God,...Antichrist vs. Jesus, and the False Prophet vs. The Holy Spirit. So...if you "need" to continue to explore the endless line of false doctrines that exits in this world today instead of simply saying "Lord Jesus, I don't understand "everything" but I am content to trust and leave it all up to you", then you are on the path of the "wide gate" to destruction.

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks for commenting Michael, I am pleased you enjoyed the hub.

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    Michael Shane 7 years ago from Gadsden, Alabama

    Definitely a lot of similiarities! I have always thought this with my research....Thanks for the hub!

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    soumyasrajan 7 years ago from Mumbai India and often in USA

    Just two more points and some links.

    Just as Highvoltagewriter says I had also never heard Buddha being born to a virgin. Though I am not surprised that some stories say so. After Buddha's death Buddhism got divided into various sects. There were many stories generated about him and his life and earlier lives in previous births etc. Some of them are called Jataka Kathas. I wonder whether the one you are referring to is some thing like that.

    Incidentally just to draw some more funny similarities between religious mythologies, two gods Indians (Hindus) worship a lot Krishna and Rama (though they lived in different time period Krishan is supposed to have lived about 5000 years back and Rama several 100 thousand years back, the days when humans could communicate with monkeys) have also some interesting similar stories about their births. For example Krishna was born in a jail but was exchanged in an unusual mysterious way brought up by some other couple etc.

    Just like you I have also wondered why all religion mythologies have such stories about unusual births of Gods, Angels, Messengers or Goddesses.

    I had once read an article which was drawing a lot of similarities between Krishna and Christ (even name of Krishna in old Sanskrit is Krista).

    Some links which discuss similar aspects though in a different style

    https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/religions...

    https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Religion-

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    soumyasrajan 7 years ago from Mumbai India and often in USA

    Enjoyed your article. Similarities are indeed striking. To me, coming form India they do not look so surprising. I visit often USA. I consider it a second home country for me.

    I also wrote some articles about similar aspects. Unlike eastern countries (India, China, Japan etc.), followers of religions which originated in middle east (Christians, Muslims etc. ) are very conscious about their holy book, since there is only one for them and it plays important role in their religious practices. So it is very difficult to discuss about these aspects freely.

    Fortunately for Europe and USA Christians overcame some of this consciousness during renaissance period and after, though still it is a touchy subject. Internet might help a little to bring some more freedom.

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    BILL 7 years ago

    The Egyptian saviour: the chief deity of death, and the only god to rival the solar cult of Re. Sacred to him was Zedu, a town which took its name from his fetish–several sheaves placed one above the other. There along the luxuriant waterways of the delta Osiris was lord of flood and vegetation as well as the king and judge of the dead. From Anubis, the earlier dog-headed or jackal god of death, he acquired the jackal symbol just as in Upper Egypt the recumbent dog connected with the dead, Khenti-Amentiu, was merged with him at Abydos, where it was believed that Osiris' head had been buried. In Egypt the gods had no special abode such as the Olympus of the Greeks; for the local residences of deities remained the same down the ages, with the exception of those gods absorbed by the greater members of the pantheon.

    Osiris was depicted as a bearded man, either green or black in colour, wearing the Crown of Upper Egypt, and swathed like a mummy. In his hands were a flail and a crook, insignia of the chthonic power vested in this dying and rising god. Credited with the introduction of agriculture and several crafts, Osiris was also the initiator of religious rituals, especially the mysteries surrounding the process of embalmment and mummification. At Zedu the mummy of Osiris himself was to be seen. The preservation of the body was regarded as essential for eternal life. Without a body there could be no survival after death. In addition to the body the Egyptians acknowledged the existence of a ba and a ka. While the ba was the soul, and pictured as a bird with a human head, the ka acted as a kind of guardian double of the body which was born with it and stayed on as a companion in the world of the dead.

    At first only the pharaohs became Osirises on death, being identified with the god of the dead as their successors were with Horus, the son of Osiris. From the third millennium BC onwards all men able to pass the judgement of good and evil might achieve such salvation. Before Osiris and his forty-two assessors stood the scales of judgement, attended by Anubis, who placed the soul in the balance against the feather of truth, while the record-keeper Thoth inscribed on his palette the result of the weighing. For the unfortunate waited a monster, part crocodile, part lion, and part hippopotamus: it was Am-mut, ‘eater of the dead’. In Egyptian cosmology the ‘other land’ of the departed was situated on the western horizon, where daily the sun disappeared with its light and life-giving warmth, and from which point descended on the Nile valley not only darkness but the chill winds of the rapidly cooling deserts.

    In myth Osiris is drowned, dismembered, and scattered over land and water. He was shut in a chest or sarcophagus and dumped in the Nile by his brother Seth. ‘The drowned one’ floated down the river through one of the mouths of the delta into the Mediterranean Sea, and was carried to the port of Byblos. There he was discovered by Isis, his wife and sister, and daughter of the earth god Geb. Out of envy for the happiness of Osiris and Isis arose the undying enmity of Seth, who soon seized the coffin containing the dead god, cut the corpse into more than fourteen pieces, and scattered them throughout the land of Egypt. Again Isis sought her husband and with the assistance of Nut, the mother of Osiris, she resurrected the body, all except his genitals; these had been consumed by fishes. The reborn god, however, did not stay on earth, but became the lord of the departed in the infertile ‘other land’. Another legend suggests Isis buried each piece of Osiris where she found it, thus spreading the potency of the god everywhere. Horus, the son Isis miraculously conceived of the dead god, was to be the avenger.

    As a prototype of the resurrected dead man, Osiris and his cult spread widely, and during the Roman Empire assumed the form of a major religious sect in many provinces. One view of the origin of the myth is that the god was an historical king who at a remote period reigned over Egypt from his capital in the delta. His violent death could have been the result of an insurrection by Ombos, the city sacred to Seth in Upper Egypt. The divided kingdom according to this version was reunited by the king's son, deified as Horus, who slew the rebellious Seth. An alternative explanation places emphasis on the death and resurrection of Osiris, the vegetation god reborn through the annual inundation of the Nile.

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    Ancient Egyptian god of the underworld. Osiris was slain by the god Seth, who tore apart the corpse and flung the pieces all over Egypt. According to some accounts, the goddess Isis, consort of Osiris, and her sister Nephthys found the pieces and gave new life to Osiris, who became the ruler of the underworld. Isis and Osiris then conceived Horus. In the Egyptian concept of divine kingship, the king at death became Osiris and the new king was identified with Horus. Osiris also represented the power that brought life out of the earth. Festivals reenacting his fate were celebrated annually in towns throughout Egypt.

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    Top Home > Library > Literature & Language > Classical Literature CompanionOs?ris, most widely worshipped of the Egyptian gods, representing male fertility in nature and incarnated in the sacred bull Apis. According to myth he had been a pharaoh of Egypt who had civilized and educated his people but had been murdered and his body cut in pieces by his brother Set (identified with the Greek Typhon). Isis, his sister and wife, collected and buried his mangled remains, and with her son Horus took revenge on Set, the author of all evil. Thereafter Osiris was regarded as the god of the dead, but the source, through Horus (the Sun), of renewed life. The Greeks identified him with Dionysus. See also SERAPIS and HARPOCRATES.

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    Egyptian god, one of the great gods of Egypt, a member of the Heliopolitan Ennead. Judge of the dead and king of the underworld. God of resurrection. His main place of worship was at Abydos, but he was universally revered. He may have had his origins in a king of Egypt who was later deified. The murder of Osiris by his brother Seth, Isis's quest for the body, the struggle of his son Borus to avenge his father's death on Seth, and the eventual resurrection of Osiris, has become one of the greatest legends of Egypt. Osiris was called Unnefer (Greek: Onnophris), the permanently happy one. He had festivals at Abydos, and an annual miracle play. Episodes from his mysteries were re-enacted at many Egyptian temples, and the late period temples of Dendera, Edfu, and Philae all have chapels dedicated to Osiris.

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    Top Home > Library > Miscellaneous > Columbia EncyclopediaOsiris (?s?'r?s), in Egyptian religion, legendary ruler of predynastic Egypt and god of the underworld. He was the son of the sky goddess Nut and the earth god Geb. The great benefactor of mankind, Osiris brought to the people knowledge of agriculture and civilization. In a famous myth he was treacherously slain by his evil brother Set, who cut his body into 14 pieces and spread the fragments throughout Egypt. Thereupon, Isis, sister and wife of Osiris, sought and found his scattered body. She buried the pieces, making each b

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks pay2cEM, glad you enjoyed it and found it beneficial. :)

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    pay2cEM 7 years ago from Nashville

    Really nice hub. Thank you for outlining this so I didn't have to! I'll be following you from now on, and I'll be directing my own followers to come check out your site.

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Just a quick PS Highvoltagewriter. Various references can be found on the internet to Horus being "the only begotten Son of the God Osiris", (easiest way to find them is to do a google search for that exact phrase). Just one I found is able to be viewed here:

    http://amyleecasanova.blogspot.com/2009/02/horus-j...

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    I shall read your hub Highvoltagewriter, I am sure it will be fascinating stuff.

    To answer your questions about the source of my information, the sites I used are in the links section above, and this is where you will find the references to Buddah, Horus etc. Specifically the Buddah being born of a vigin Mother (maya) is referred to on this page:

    http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar1.html

    where it says:

    "The Buddha was of royal descent. Born of the Virgin Maya (“the Queen of Heaven”) on December 25th, announced by a star and attended by wise men presenting costly gifts. At his birth Brahma angels sang hymns. An aged holy woman beseeched the heavens to bless the child.

    "In Buddhism the virgin birth concept occupies a central place and the suggestion of immaculate conception is also made. Buddha's future mother, Mahamaya, refrained form sexual activity and other worldly pleasures during the mid-summer festival and was taken off during a dream to the Himalayas. There she was purified by water to remove every human stain before being placed upon a divine couch ... After the conception, no lustful thought sprang up in the mind of future Buddha's mother ... The meaning usually ascribed to Buddha's birth legend centres on the fact that he chose to be born of a woman so as to become human himself, which would enable him to inspire other humans with the possibility of achieving perfection."

    Thanks for the feedback and for your link :)

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    William Benner 7 years ago from Savannah GA.

    I Just stumbled on to your hub and I see it very well researched..however, the part about The Buddha being born by a virgin? Were do you get that? He was born a prince and I have never read that he was born from a virgin. I have studied Buddhism for about seven years and have never heard or read about him being born from a virgin, Not saying it is not so, I just have not seen it written. I found it also interesting what you found about Horus who is one of my favorite Egyptian gods. He was the son of Ra and the messenger god..and yet, he came from a whole FAMILY of gods!With not only BROTHERS (Like Set) but SISTERS (like Bass). There is ANOTHER god that you missed and I am writing a whole series of hubs on HIM called "The Feathered Christ." This is the link to those hubs if you want to read them. https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Feath

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    LOL Kartika, I can see you and LG (above me) are going to get on like a house on fire. Be warned, the religious forums get very nasty and spiteful, and not at all "Christianlike", so if you venture there, go well armed and with a VERY thick skin :) Good Luck :)

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    kartika damon 7 years ago from Fairfield, Iowa

    Hi Misty, I agree - in my case, you're preaching to the choir! LOL I think of the Bible as fiction - that doesn't mean it has no value, I just think taking it literally is absurd! At least I won't be burned at the stake for stating this heretical view, but I'm sure, I'm making lots of people mad. Kartika

    I think I might need to jump into one of these forums

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Any time LG :)

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    Debra Allen 7 years ago from West By God

    Thank You and Thank You.

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    You are more than welcome to use it LG. I had a chat with my older Sister Hayley and we came up with it together,(she is a mine of information on this subject). Great to see you here by the way :)

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    Debra Allen 7 years ago from West By God

    Misty, I love your quote. Did you surmise that or did you get it from another source. I would love to put it in some of my hubs.

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thank you Kartika, I haven't read the Jesus Mysteries, but they sound really interesting. Glad you enjoyed the article too :)

    You might also be interested in a quote from a post I made in response a forum thread a few weeks back regarding the Bible as the mistranslations etc, the quote was as follows,:

    "The Bible was written by men, not by God, and is open to misinterpretation, mistranslation and manipulation by the Church, (and King James VI of Scotland and King James I of England, the same person, overhauled much of the Bible to read the way he thought it should). Also after the civil war in Britain, England was under puritan rule, headed by Oliver Cromwell, who enforced a very extreme version of the Protestant faith, and it was under this regime that "witch" hunting, (under which term we can almost certainly include persons with mediumistic / psychic abilities), reached its zenith, and thousands of innocent women and children were killed needlessly.

    The original Pilgrim Fathers would have brought many of these ideas with them to the USA as they left Britain when many of these leanings were very strong and enforced."

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    kartika damon 7 years ago from Fairfield, Iowa

    Excellent hub! Did you read The Jesus Mysteries? It's all about this and is absolutely fascinating especially if you have an open mind! By the way, "the trickery of the devil" argument" doesn't hold water with me. Congratulations on a very well researched article and having the courage to post it! Kartika

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    Cindy Lawson 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    No worries PastorLonnie, all information is useful in coming up with an overall belief. :)

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    PastorLonnie 7 years ago from Mobile, Alabama

    Hi Misty,

    I haven't been on the Hubpages in awhile but since I'm investigating certain claims concerning Christ and the Christ-myth I thought I'd take a moment to suggest that anyone who is interested might want to take an hour or two to visit the following sites:

    Horus: http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html

    Horus and many others: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html

    Horus and Osiris-Dionysis: http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

    Isis, Osiris, Serapis, Mithras, Buddha, Krishna: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycatwho2.htm...

    A Historically Plausible Explanation of How the Alleged Borrowing Occurred: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat2.html

    Anup the Baptizer: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/anup.html

    Take care!

    Pastor Lonnie (RevLon)

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Awww, thanks Mike, somehow I always dread reading any comments I get notifications about on this hub, as it just as likely to be some "Bible Basher" having a go at me as it is someone who genuinely recognises my valid points and research. Comments like yours are so refreshing.

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    Mike Dennis 8 years ago

    I enjoyed this HUB very much. Why people get so wound up? You just pointed out some things from your research. Ultimately we all choose and decide what rings true to us.

    I love DIONYSIS by the way and the BACCHAE who followed him. Ergo: my name DENNIS which corresponds to Dionysis in Greek. Keep up the writing. And be daring. Blessings. The pics are beautiful. Maybe check out a hub of mine? I will read more of yours.

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks Tec, sounds well worth reading, this information could be very useful.

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    tec 8 years ago

    Hi, who is interested in this subject can find very valuable information in second part of the book 'Man and His Symbols'- The Ancient Myths and Modern Man, written by Dr. Henderson. Actually, I am reading this part right now and I came across the bull sacrifice by Mithras which led me here through the painting above. Dr. Henderson tells conenctions between Opherus, Dionysus and Christ. Man and His Symbols can be found on net as pdf. By the way Dr. Carl Jung's part of 'Approaching the Unconcious' has high value either.

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    jd english 8 years ago

    If I wanted to make a story look fake, id make up other stories BEFORE it so it looks like the one after was fake, Even the demons know the scripture, the Bible says, and yeah yeah yeah, its got people with good faith confussed

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    cheaptrick 8 years ago from the bridge of sighs

    you folks are so amazingly insightful!hears an opinion from a smaller mind.the god of genesis creats from will alone.we all know about the hickup in the creation of people(created twice).from the creation of adam thru out the old testement god makes everything from something else,his demeaner changes as well.he aquires human emotions.in the new testement christ reintroduces the original god of genesis it appears.olso,its interesting that adam was not aware of his nakedness untill he ate from the tree.could this be a symbolic account of mankind achieving self awareness.the christian gnostics think so.heres an alternative view.maby the god of the old testement went to anger management or having a child mellowed him out cause he sure changed between the old and the new testement...peace

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    PastorLonnie 8 years ago from Mobile, Alabama

    Hi Misty,

    As a Christian Pastor and as one who has taken the time to study, in-depth, the theories put forth by those who believe in Christ-myths, my own opinion is that they do not hold water. 

    To date I've looked into almost 200 supposed dieties that 'mimic the life of Christ' and have found all of them to be wanting -- especially those of egyptian concoction since most egyptian religious scholars fail to note any correlation between Christ and their own 'special interest' deity (and even those who do only do so in as a passing note of interest).

    While it would be impossible on this comment to note all that I've found I would direct any interested to a good source of information concerning alleged parallels between Christianity and pagan religions": http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html.

    I was very happy to have found the aforementioned site after I began attempting to consolidate my own thoughts to post herein.  While I don't agree with everything Mr. Holding proposes I certainly think his research and footnotes bear looking at for anyone interested in a link between Christ and 'other gods.'

    I especially like the 'proof' given that Winston Churchill never existed.  You can find that at: http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/pagint.html

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks Sufidreamer, great reply, and I too am sorry you missed this first time around, as I am sure your input would have been very valuable. The Mithras connection is especially controversial, but certainly bears consideration and further research.

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks Steve, it is great to have your feedback and wisdom inputted on here, I do believe in Jesus, but have my doubts as to accuracy of the Bible as it appears there is much evidence to support it's content having been manipulated or adapted from Pagan sources.

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    Sufidreamer 8 years ago from Sparti, Greece

    Great Hub, Misty

    Sad that I missed this one the first time around - it was quite an intense and interesting discussion. Pretty much agree with you about everything - most religious texts share a lot of overlap, and trying to separate them from each other is weak historical research.

    There is a lot of evidence that Mithras was imported from Zoroastrianism :)

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    Steve Andrews 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

    Cindy, I think this is the longest series of replies I have ever seen on here and it has certainly stimulated a lot of thought, which to my way of thinking is excellent!

    Personally after much seeking the correct path as a younger man and having prayed to Jesus as well as having chanted Hare Krishna I now find myself as having no need to do any of it. I often wonder why we need a "Son of God" or a "Saviour" by any of the names quoted here or even why we need gods or goddesses? I note that the animals have no need for religion and yet they live as they were meant to and they are in tune with the divine nature!

    I believe in a God/Goddess that could also be called Eternal Creator or simply Great Spirit and that's it for me. I share your search for the truth though. I tend to think that Jesus as portrayed was indeed based on earlier stories of gods. This does not mean that Jesus existed or didn't exist but just that the story of Jesus and words attributed to him were concocted from other sources.

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thank you Ivan, I am really glad you liked the hub, and like you, I only desire to know the real truth, not what we are brainwashed into believing by the church.

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    Ivan the Terrible 8 years ago from Madrid

    I guess from my jaded point of view all these religions were there to answer fundamental questions wqhich at the time were unanswerable.  we discover answers as we grow as a species.  Having no religion means freeing the mind to prepare for receiving the real truth.  I'd rather know the truth, bleak and pointless as it may be, than to be spoon fed nonsense that has nothing but faith and hope making it real for those who believe in it. 

    I like your hub.

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    You are very welcome LG, I know these are worth reading :)

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    Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

    Thanks Misty! You are a real sweetheart! http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Good-Book-Of-Love aand the one just before that that inspired that one: http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-Pornography-is-Bad-for... There are video's in both too.

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Feel free to post a link to your latest hub on this here LG :)

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    Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

    Well I just found out about alot of things they tell you that it comes from GOD in that Bible that did not --concerning sex.  Imagine that!!

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks Tom, so very pleased you enjoyed this hub and follow what I believe is the truth behind the story of most major religious icons. :)

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    Tom Cornett 8 years ago from Ohio

    Wonderful Hub! Awesome research! This is the proof that the church adopted and conformed to pagan beliefs in order to gain power. At least one third of the bible is influenced by macho pagan myth.

    Thanks again!

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    Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

    No thanks.

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    viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

    Lady G;

    Yes I am sure. What part confused you? This has nothing to do with people not paying taxes, although I agree that that is unconstitutional, too, but I do not want to get off on that. I am personaly not in a good position to hire the legal counsel to fight the IRS. I follow their guidelines personally. I was simply posting to an earlier post about separation of church and state.

    You can look up the IRS nonprofit guidelines yourself if you are thinking I am wrong.

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    Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

    Are you sure about that VP--seems to me there was a hulabalou about the IRS can't charge taxes either and it was a hoax and people lost lots of money and some went to jail.  On another hub post those accusations and guidelines you just made with evidence of such.

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    viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

    Livelonger;

    That is beside the point. The point was separation of church and state which does not exist.

    There are, in fact, guidelines what nonprofits, like churches, can do with politics. For example, a church can have a political rally as long as both candidates are invited. The rules are listed in the IRS guidelines. They are nowhere near as simple as you suggest, though.

    Also, IRS guidelines have been challenged by 20 churches a month or so ago. The IRS did not act against those churches that preached purposeful political messages. Those courageous pastors realize that there is no foundation for the IRS rules, since it is in fact unconstitutional for the government to restrict religion.

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    Jason Menayan 8 years ago from San Francisco

    VP: As long as religious institutions stay out of politics, they are allowed tax-exempt status. The question for religious people is: do you want your church to exert more influence in politics, or do you want it to retain its tax-exempt status? It can not have it both ways.

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    viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

    Tonymac04;

    There is no such provision as separation of church and state in the United States Constitution. Actually, the Constitution prohibits the government from interfering with religion but not the other way around. Tony, that is a ver common misperception today. That is the First Amendment. It says;

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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    Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

    Seamist, that is an interesting site there. The first thing that I noticed was that it said thet Mithra died for world peace, .....but Jesus said that he was here not for world peace.

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    Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

    Thanks for commenting Seamist, yes I remember that site and I did include it originally in my links section (it is the second site down), and thanks for posting the link here too so that others can check it out when forming their own views.

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    seamist 8 years ago from Northern Minnesota

    A very well-written hub, Misty. It must have taken you hours to research.

    I am not going to give an opinion one way or the other because I am too ignorant on these topics. However, while I was researching one of my hubs on a different topic, I ran across an internet article some of your readers may be interested in --- Tektonics Did the Mithraic Mysteries Influence Christianity http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html