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Eric’s Sunday Sermon; Our Right To Talk To Love

Updated on December 9, 2018
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Holding degrees in philosophy and Law. Formal studies or certificates or degrees in business, theology, insurance and security. Ex-preacher.

Just a Love Flower

I think my wife loved this flower from my garden.
I think my wife loved this flower from my garden. | Source

The Affair

Perhaps there are some that just think love is a kind of chemical and brain function thing hormones secrete via the posterior lobe of the pituitary gland and we label it Oxytocin. But I always love the chicken and the egg questions about the brain. Does something happen and so the brain reacts or does the brain go goo goo and it makes us react. No matter what they say full on love does not work that way.

Maybe sex stuff works that way. That makes sense and in fact that makes for pleasure. I have been married twice, both for over 15 years to date. Check it out. In my country it is average to file for divorce at seven years of marriage. So love ends at seven but I am just lucky? Well for sure I am lucky as my ladies are full on awesome and now my bride is starting to like my old old lady. Well that only took a decade for her insecurity subside. The difference in their age is a bit over 20 years. My elder daughter is closer in age to my princess than I and further in age from her little brother than to me. My son is 8 and the uncle to a sixteen year old, or something like that.

I am a dude that just has one love partner. I understand there are these things called “affairs”, what a weird term for multiple sex partners. “Stay out of my affairs” he yells. What about babies? I have no figure on that with multiple mates.

In some foreign land I was sent a lightning bolt. It just went right through my brain and heart and melded the two. We accept the ancient notion that we call where love resides the heart. Makes no sense accept for tradition. It really is a “being” thing and not a place thing. I like love residing in my home thing the most but folks look at me funny when I say “I love you from the bottom of my home”.

Yesterday my boy and I went all out for the “fun” thing. A rather big hike and other stuff. “Dad I don’t like doing some stuff but I like doing them with you”. And of course I melted like butter in a pan at 200 degrees.

What is this strange “affair” we have with love? Some say that God is a jealous God? Maybe I am having “affairs” with people on earth. If you can wrap your head around that, then I reckon your Oxytocin level is better than mine. Or is it the other way around?

For Sure Love is Timeless

We Practiced

This boy and I had fun "practicing" love yesterday. That is fun!
This boy and I had fun "practicing" love yesterday. That is fun! | Source

Cutting Love Out

So I am one of those 2.5 billion folks who associate with Christ as our Lord. We do OK I think. Some of us grab and hold on tightly to an idea that Christ said, it was written up by one of his student buddies. We call him John. I really can’t speak to the exact nature of the relationship. But John wrote the article that is published in our Bible that pretty much establishes God and Love being the same.

I simply get up in the morning “in” Love. It sometimes makes me an unproductive slob. Not quite the sin of sloth but close I suppose. People close to me like me better when I am in love. Outside of that cocoon I can get downright ugly. Funny thing there as sometimes I get hired to be downright nasty and I focus on it and am quite “productive” at it. If you want me to get out of the love mode and into the tear your head off nasty mode just send me a thousand or two. I wonder if that makes me a “lady of the night”?

So we are sliding backwards into talking to love. We have a term in trekking. When you go up a powdery snow slope or a sand dune each step goes back about half of what you stepped. Same with walking up a river. Sometimes I like to come at concepts that way. I learned a long time ago that trudging in such a fashion lets you slow down and look around.

Now I love salt. Sea water has a bunch of salt. Most cooked foods need some salt. Two of my favorites are apples with salt and watermelon with salt. I had a couple of blood pressure readings that were high. I think we called it “pre” hypertension. So it was obvious that I ditch the salt. Like in about two weeks I was into it and pleased and substitutions were awesome. No processed foods with salt and no cooking with or adding salt. And I kept up my exercise dealy bob.

I hope most get that salt concept. For sure my blood pressure dropped and I felt fine, until I did not. Cramping happened in just about every area of my body, literally from my toes to my head. Not occasional but routine cramping that took at least an hour a day of stretching to resolve and more Ibuprofen than a horse should take. Well let me tell you folks, you need salt. How much and what kind is up to you. That straight forward white or processed foods I call white death. But now I spend at least a half hour a day sweating salt out and luxuriate in salt of a kind of natural kind. I have not had a cramp since.

Both My Babies!

If love got better I would bust a gut!
If love got better I would bust a gut! | Source

Just Boom, Boom, Boom

Talk To Me Lord

After my first wife insisted we not be married anymore and she had her eyes on another, I gave up that kind of love. Why could anything hurt so bad be good? I think it took a year or so but my heart started cramping up on me. Kind of my physical one but of course I mean my loving one.

Living without the spice of loving another in a marriage kind of way is not good for you. Now do not jump to conclusions here please. I will always feel the love of my lovers. I find no need to feel empty and hurt at loss of mutual love with a lady. How about over fifty years to get there? I am a slow learner. But that is the super duper great thing about that love. I now can love my wife without the worry of the hollowness of “if she left me”. The love is no longer attached but a blood flow in my body. I have no right to put a responsibility on another to love me back. Reciprocity in love is a total non-starter.

So In Love we finish

I get to speak to love. Neat how that has a double meaning. But I wake up in the morning sit on my bed and breath deep and chat a bit with love, which to my lazy brain means God. We just toss around ideas for the day. We may even argue a bit. But before I rise up we have a plan. Of course we know that man plans and God laughs. But my plan for the day is a collaboration with love. We have a teamwork and synergism going downtown. Sometimes I scream at love. Sometimes love screams back. But we slam no doors or walk out on our honest to God honesty with each other.

You see I do not just have a right to speak with love, I have a duty and obligation. How would you like it if your loved one did not talk to you? So I keep my door open and my telephone line cleared so love and I can talk any old time.

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    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      4 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Such a good goal Elijah. I try but fail more than succeed. Thank you.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      4 weeks ago from Washington DC

      Thanks Eric.

      We do have thick skin once we overcome eating from the tree of "judgmental adjectives" called knowledge of good and evil. As I just explained someplace that was talking about Emotional Intelligence or "EQ", it is our emotional state our constant use of judgments causes us is what prevent our objectivity to educate ourselves. I've learned to be objective about what it is I believe rather than "I know I'm right" which prevents me from looking at what I believe through the eyes of others' responses to what I say. That is how I have grown to the state I'm in.

      Just after my "new conception" I told God "I am going to consider everything I have been taught to be in error and I want you to teach me." I included in that saying that I would hold on to what I believed until he showed me my errors. That meant I had to be objective to what I believe and what other's believe.

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      Eric Dierker 

      4 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Wow Elijah that is one great paragraph. Right on. And the probing questions we ask each other helps us to learn even more about how we may incorporate new ideas into our lexicon of knowledge. So we must have thick skin.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      4 weeks ago from Washington DC

      Thanks for the un-needed apology, Antonio, which means there is nothing to forgive you for. I believe I said something similar to the following before but I will repeat it again.

      I didn't think either of us were attempting to change the other, for me it's hearing another's views on a subject to show me an error of my understanding so I can incorporate the missing info into my view or change my view entirely. My experiences say Jesus gave us the great commission to, my paraphrasing, "teach others to observe ALL THINGS the way we understand them" to discover what might need changing or be thrown out completely.

      Again, Peace

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      Antonio50S 

      4 weeks ago

      Elijah. I think i said once before that i don't believe in trying to change the way people understand things.

      Usually i ( never ) get into theses types of discussions because eveyone has ( their own ) understanding of thing's, Otherwise we get forced to defend our beliefs. Not necessary.

      I know for a fact i don't have all the answers, but also know you don't either.

      If that's the way you understand things, that's fine by me.

      May Peace be with you Elijah, and if i said any words that were offensive to you, then i make an apology.

      Peace.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      4 weeks ago from Washington DC

      Antonio, "Tricky Dick" was obtained from a well known newspaper.

      If being obedient to god's directions is "seeking my own glory" then I am proud to babe a own glory seeker.

      Didn't the man called Jesus say in Matthew 24 to "Learn the parable of the fig tree" and have you been taught by "the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you"?

      "That Rock was Jesus himself"? Which one, the first one Moses was told to smite or the one he was told to speak to but out of anger smote twice? The first rock was the man called Jesus and the second one, because of Moses' smote him twice, requires him to die by a "new birth" like the tadpole dies to becoming a frog and again to obtain the riches, powers, wisdom and four others things (Rev. 5:5 & 12)? Was Jesus the hand turn white or the one that returned back to the color of Moses (Exodus 4:6-8 and see Rev 1:14-15)?

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      Antonio50S 

      4 weeks ago

      Hope "some" of the explanations were helpful, could have continued, but nobody can accuse me of not "knowing the ( intended ) message of the bible"

      Peace to everyone.

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      Antonio50S 

      4 weeks ago

      My apologies.

      Regarding ( Daniel 2 ) fotgot to mention a very well know verse which came after daniels interpretation & explanation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. After all the empires that came after Nebuchadnezzar,

      ( Vs 44 ) say's

      "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure for ever"

      When Jesus was born of Mary, that was the beginings of the kingdom being formed, the rest would take time.

      History has to unfold & to show that mankind is unable to rule themselves in a succsesfull way without God. ( Only time could prove that ) we only need to look at world affairs to see that, but for those aware of the parable of the Fig Tree, they will know when Jesus returns, that kindom will finally be established.

      The funny thing about all this, it's all explained in the bible already ( No real mystery going on here ) Nobody needs the Elijahs to tell us things that's already written.

      As i said, All Elijah has done is picked up bit's of information from here and there, and claimed it as his own, plus ( A lot of that information is unreliable as well ) with Elijah himself being obscure with his own language.

      Even Nebuchadnezzar's Magicians, Enchanters, Sorcerers and astrologers in ( Dan 2:2 ) couldn't interpret Neb's dream, in fact, they couldn't even tell the king what the dream was.

      What make's Elijah's any different ? plus his interpretation of the what makes ( the abomination desolate ) isn't even a good one.

      ( It take's "more" than knowledge to understand these things ) if we know what that "more" is, God may use his spirit to direct, but it's easy to lose our focus when we want immediate answers and solutions.

      The problem is a ( heart issue ) ( not one of knowing all things ) which isn't necessary.

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      Antonio50S 

      4 weeks ago

      Eric. I would just like to add, "Zedekiah" wasn't just the last king of Judah, he was also the last "HUMAN" king God was using to represent his rule over all the world.

      Though other nations at the time never followed the God of isreal, they could have if they wanted.

      Zedekiah was also a king installed by Nebuchadnezzar himself. Not something God approved of, but either way, he was told to remove the kingship crown untill the one who had the legal right to it came, being Jesus himself.

      Nebuchadnezzars dream of a statue or image in ( Daniel 2 ) represented Nebuchadnezzar "himself and his reign" who was the head of Gold at the time, all the remaining nations that came after, represented by the statue, became weaker and weaker. But in the Dream, Nebuchadnezzar observed a Rock being formed ( BUT NOT BY HUMAN HANDS ) that Rock struck the feet of the image and totally destroyed it.

      That Rock was Jesus himsef. And the Rock the nations rejected, in the end filled the whole earth. As ( Psalms 118:22 ) say's, the stone the builders rejected became the cap, or corner stone.

      People can discuss prophesies about current world kings, their meanings, about who will supersede who, and so on, but that corner stone "Jesus himself" is already ruling from the heavens.

      President Trump don'd need to step aside for anybody as Elijah suggested, because Jesus is already in control.

      Genuine christians ( Never ) talk bad about the authorites. Regardless of whether they agree with current government rule or not, they show due respect by giving Caesar's things to Caesar and God's things to God.

      That's what Jesus expects of true professing christians.

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      Antonio50S 

      4 weeks ago

      Eric, Will explain a little abouts them prophesies.

      Understanding them is quite simple really, and shouldn't effect a person following christ or the christian faith.

      It's hard enough keeping to the faith at times, and working on things from within, let alone be distracted by people claiming to understand the secrets of the universe.

      In fact, just keeping to the faith is considered understanding ( what the spirit is saying the the churches ) Rev 2

      ( God really doesn't care about the greatness of any individual nation ) his plan is far greater than that. The only nation God ever used was Israel itself, since Jesus would come through the line of abraham till the present, and the only real significant about Nebuchadnezzar is that he was a NOBODY in the eyes of the ALMIGHTY, and that God is the one who's in control of all nations and world events.

      Zedekiah the last king of Judah was told to remove the crown, untill the one who had the legal right comes, ( That's Jesus himself )

      Elijah is to obscure with the language he uses, in fact, all he's done is picked up bits of information from here and their and claimed it as his own. A lot of that information came from other religions, and of all the religions of the world, theres about 3 that have a fairly good understanding of end time prophesies, but even then, they have to keep on revising because of their failed expectations.

      Their explanation to that is, prophesies are understood after their fulfillment ? What's the point in that ? All it means is, nothing has been revealed to them. Same with Elijah.

      Elijahs own articles also show him being unsure about how events will play out. Where's the spirit behind all that ???

      And why would God be dependant on the restoration of Israel which apparently happened in 1948 ? When Gods plan is to use Jesus as the furure King of All Nations ?

      Whether God has any future plans for Israel "or not" ? Israel has fulfilled their duties.

      Observing the Fig Tree is just being aware of the Sign of the Times, which also includes being aware of individuals and their claims.

      That's what Jesus waned about in ( Matt 24 )

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      I'm one of those persons who really do understand that Agape love, but does that mean sitting back and tolerating anything ? When Jesus overturned the Tables in the Temple, did he lose his cool, or did he do it for the love of his fathers house ?

      I can name a few examples of the things we would do out of love if confronted in a situation, but to onlookers, it may look like you lost your cool, and not acting out of love

      In either case, to sit back and let someone CONSTANTLY find fault and issues with you is a lack of Self-Respect. To me Elijah is a soul destroyer deep down, even the 1-2 good things he was forced to come out with, didn't sound that good.

      I also know the worth of some things i mentioned, and won't allow Elijah or anybody to treat it as nothing.

      It's like the man who found the hidden treasure, in his excitement he went and hid it again. Maybe only he knew it's true worth, therefore hid it.

      If any of us want to do well in this world, we have to choose our associates wisely, plus what kind of professed follower of Jesus uses derogatory words like Tricky Dicky directed at Nixon ?

      The bible talks about showing due respect for authorities regardless of the things we don't agree with, and if we take a stand against them, we take a stand against the Almighty himself.

      Daniel also shows, God is the one who sets up kingdoms, and takes them down when he wishes, and though Gods main attribute is Love with many verses in the "Old Testament" showing that, we also know God destroyed whole nations in the past, we may not fully understand why God would order their destruction, but true faith don't question Gods Love.

      Whatever Elijah thinks he doing ? I think it's safe to say, According to the scriptures, It's not in agreement with Gods plan. I'm not out to slander Elijah, but if he keeps targeting me, I will defend myself, plus what kind of follower of Christ speak ill of the President right outside his front door ?

      With all respect, Jesus said, give back Caesar's things to Caesar & Gods things to God. Elijah is not doing that. Instead he's seeking his "Own Glory"

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Bill. I am just getting caught up here so your timing is good. Love does seem to anchor most folks. Ain't life and love grand.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      To you Elijah.

      ( NEVER - EVER ) Communicate with me on other peoples Hubs again.

      I definitely don't think I'm better than anybody else, but i am selective about the types of people i communicate with.

      Peace to you as well.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Eric.

      Read ( Mathew 24 ) again and again, become familiar with it and what it's saying.

      I wish i could give a veres by verse commentary on it, but it would take to long.

      Basically, that whole chapter is from Jesus himself warning people against False Messiahs, not necessarily in a literal sense, but in the various ways they claim to follow Christ through their false prophesies & hidden knowkedge that apparantly only they know about & by trying to draw a following.

      I know you have your cancer Eric, but don't go losing your vision now by being influenced by the like's of Elijah.

      Elijah has no business implying Donald Trumph should step aside either. Even Nebuchadnezzar said in ( Daniel 4:35 ) "All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth" & Those walking in pride, God is able to humble Vs 37

      There's nothing in the Scriptures that tells us to put our trust in individuals like Elijah. Only the opposite. ( Psalms 146 vs 3-4 ) "Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save" 4 "When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to NOTHING"

      In the end, people like Elijah cannot & will not give you life, but they do have the power to take it through their deceptions.That's the warning Jesus gave in ( Mathew 24 )

      About prophesies having double applications to them ? People have been cought up in religious systems for years because their leaders were claiming just that, and that only they knew it's second application.

      Eric, be careful. The name Jesus means ( Jah or God Saves ) Elijah on the other hand CANNOT save.

      Our focus should be on Christ alone who can save, not on mans own interpretations of scriptures which really draw people away from Christ.

      Peace.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Hello Eric.

      Apologies if i responded to Elijah a little more than i should have, but i do find certain statements irritating and annoying. Elijah knows that as well, yet he continues.

      Quote from Elijah.

      "If you don't know how to put precepts upon precepts, lines upon lines, and a little from here and a little from there" " How do you expect to know the intended message of the bible" ?

      ( Isn't that a Put Down, Insult, and Verbal Assault ? )

      That's exactly the kind of False reasonings i take issue with, not just with Elijah, but with any individual or large group making them DOGMATIC claims, that ( Only they know how to interpret scriptures )

      The Problem with "a little from here and a little from there" approach, you end up with False Prophets who try to Psychologically trap their members into a system. When that happens, that's when you get all kinds of Emotional & Psycholigical abuse's going on.

      You never win with the Elijah's of the world, you accept what they say, you feed their Ego and False delusions, then they end up trying to control it's members, but if you reject them, that's exactly the reaction you get from Elijah. ( They don't even know their own minds )

      Deep down, they don't even care about people, they are wolves disquised as sheep, and Jesus knew that when he said "I send you out as sheep amongst Wolves"

      Interestingly the "inner rooms" Jesus mentioned in ( Mathew 24:26 ) is talking exactly about certain people making claim's only they know about ( So called Hidden Knowledge ) Part of the Fig Tree illustration is to be aware of False Leaders and Prophets speculating on dates, which goes against the illustration itself.

      Though God's main attribute is Love, a lot of times Love don't always win in the world we're living in. ( Eccl 3 ) there's a time for everything under the sun. That includes a time to love, and a time not refrain from.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Elijah.

      I think by now you have the answer to your question ? Being "Will you dare to reason with me" ? The answer is an obvious NO, and for good reasons to.

      About the Nomad life of following Jesus example ?

      The only example you should be following is the teachings themselves, and ( NOT the fact that Jesus had nowhere to lay his head )

      Paul made that very clear by setting up congregations, along with elders & servants ( bishops & deacons ) along with what was expected of them "till the Master returned"

      That arrangement ultimately came from God himself, following in the same pattern of ancient Israel. Jesus also counselled the 7 congregations of God in ( Revelation 2 ) which shows Jesus being in agreement with that arrangement.

      The life your living Elijah, is a "personal" decision you made based on ( False Reasonings )

      You abandon the arrangement of God, you abandon Jesus himself.

      For that, why would i dare reason with you ?

      You invited yourself to begin with, with an arrogant disrespectful attitude, You may want to "bow out" again as you did with others.

      Peace to you.

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      William Kovacic 

      5 weeks ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      Hi, Eric. Hope all is well. I'm not sure how I missed this until now, but of course, you published another great article. I liked the way love seemed to win over the many comments. Love wins again.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      People ( like yourself Elijah ) can say what they want, but i will alway's be a ( FREE THINKER ) with the choice of accepting ( Christ as the saviour )

      Controlling narcissistic people have a hard time accepting that.

      Get over it.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      P.s. Elijah.

      I know all about the buds & fig trees better than you think.

      Fig trees & date speculations ( DON'T GO TOGETHER )

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Elijah. You have disregarded so much of what was said to the point that all communication with you is a waist of time.

      First of all, You're not talking to me, you're talking to yourself. That's what happens when you don't have anything good going on in life anymore.

      I understand you used to be some kind of Church Preacher or Minister in the past ? What kind of Spiritual leader abandons his Flock to become a drifter ? You don't want to communicate, you just like fighting.

      Elijah, If i thought you was innocent as a DOVE, i would go easy on the words used, but I've seen others just like you in the past, and know Jesus never went easy either.

      If you had any real Spirituality about yourself, you would be as cautious as a serpent, ( but you're not ) Wolves on the other hand are very intentional about the harm they want to inflict on the sheep, that's why you abandoned the Flock. I know exactly who you are on this.

      Funny you Quoting Paul as well, because he gave instructions on Church leaderships, Yet to other people on Hub Pages, you accuse them of Following Paul unstead of Christ ? Funny that :)

      Once again, ( I won't answer your questions ) ( I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU )

      And by the way. ( Psalms 90:10 ) you're out by 10 years. The EMPHASIS was 70, but being another Self-Proclaimed False Prophet, you ( Chose 80 ) for reasons.

      Another ( Generation ) man reading into scriptures that aren't there.

      Peace to you as well Elijah.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      5 weeks ago from Washington DC

      Jesus gave us the "fig tree" parable and told us to "learn" it, was he just blowing in the wind knowing knowing no one could learn what it meant?

      If you don't know how to put "precepts upon precepts, lines upon lines and a little from here and a little from there" when Isaiah 28:9-12 tells us that is how to "rightly divide the words of truth" Paul told us to study to do, how do you expect to know the intended message of the Bible?

      Peace

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      1948. 1948 + 80 = 2028 ? :) I think you're having a laugh, True followers of Christ ( NEVER ) speculate on dates. Plus Israel wasn't the only nation Re-established in 1948

      You Elijah ( Don't know what you're talking about ) and for that ( I won't answer your question either )

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      5 weeks ago from Washington DC

      Antonio, the man with the pseudonym of Jesus (representing both the Rod of Jesse's stem and Branch from his root per Isaiah 11:1-12) gave us a parable he created by his journey to the cross that will reveal the end of civilization, the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24.

      During the earlier days before the passover he took his OBE (out of body experience) Yeshua saw a fig tree filled with leaves but no fruit he cursed saying "my no man eat from you ever again" or something like it. That tree represented the nation of Israel through which the Root of Jesse would not come from since while on his way up Calvary's hill he told the weeping girls, "weep not for me but your children and children's children" and, historically, 40 years later Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed.

      The parable said "when the figure buds the end is 'at the door' and that generation would not pass until it all was fulfilled." Psalm 90:10 suggest 80 years is the lifespan of a generation with much suffering and pain. The fig tree he cursed symbolized the nation of Israel that was restored the second time (Isa. 11:11) in 1948. 1948 + 80 = 2028.

      You said "All interpretations belong to God, NOT MAN" yet the man who is to unseal the book (Rev. 5:5 & 12) is the Branch from David who will be born in Judah (defined "praised") of prophecy (Gen. 49:1 & 8-12 and Micah 5:2 where Bethlehem means "house of bread" and Ephratha means "plentiful"). That means he will not be from the nation of Israel but place bragging of being "the land of plenty" known as the United States of America.

      God has taught that man, dressed similar to John the Baptizer who had only a camel hair leather girdle about his loins (Mat. 3:4), how to unseal the book and make all other interpretations be in error, maybe some of his prior to his resurrection. Wouldn't his interpretations be from God as Isaiah 28:9-13 reveals and said "yet they would not hear"?

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      About "pushing issues" and end times.

      Got into a conversation with about 5 JWs yesterday about that very subject, and of their interpretation of end times.

      They accused me of monopolizing the conversation ( Which i wasn't ) What they really meant was, i knew their own teachings about that subject better than they did, and it soon became clear, no matter what "they" "Any faith group" "individual" including "Elijah" claim with their ( Dognatic ) claims about end times, nobody can put a date on when or if Jesus returned, be it visible or invisible ( All interpretations belong to God, NOT MAN ) and the Greek word ( PAROUSIA ) don't necessarily mean invisible presence since ( 2 Cor 10:10 ) refers to the same Greek word as being Presence in "Person" as opposed to the opposite.

      Sometimes peoples minds get a little puffed up.

      Pushing issues may not always be welcome ( At the time ) but if we never get challenged with some erroneous teachings, how will we ever make changes ?

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio I forget how long I have known both of you. I can see how both of you push issues. How fantastic! If all folks acted like you two it would be a better place.

      I find discussion on "end" times fascinating. It seems I was not given the talent to study it. My brain is just too small to study all parts of the Bible. Of course I read it. So thank both of you for given me some lessons.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      5 weeks ago from Washington DC

      If I had deleted what I had already written that would have been a wasting the first part of that post, I was not talking about you wasting your writing, Antonio.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Elijah. Who told you all that writing was waisted ? I heard that. Plus you never know what people are hearing, learning, and picking up on.

      This may also sound familiar.

      Stephen R. Covey.

      "Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply"

      How many of us are guilty of that ? but i do know you've been listerning more yourself as well lately.

      A good shepheard who knows the sheep never get's discouraged.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      5 weeks ago from Washington DC

      I saw that when I read your second post but why should I waste all of that writing.

      Peace.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Elijah. Will explain what the problem maybe.

      Everytime Jesus addressed the 7 Congregations of Revelation Chapter 2 ( He always highlighted the GOOD things about them first ) then afterwards, they were in a better position to receive criticism. More receptive to it.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Elijah, i wasn't actually sure you was putting other's down. ( I was testing the waters a little ) give me a break :)

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      5 weeks ago from Washington DC

      Antonio, I see no reason to if concerning everyone being like me, prophecy suggest only 10% of the world's end time civilization will attempt to with only half making it. The thing about being at the pivot point of a sea-saw anyone on any extreme end of it will see the on in the middle as being on the opposite end of them. So how am I putting anyone down that I agree with most of what they say except we have different definitions for many words my experience have taught me? My intentions is to aid those who are to to experience both ends of the equation in order to find the "straight way with the narrow gate" as Jesus called being in the pivot point of the sea-saw. I apologize for sounding like I'm putting you down when my intention is to ring everyone closer to the middle.

      I appreciate people's being direct, Antonio, it causes me to analyze my presentation to see when/if I didn't include something I see may have eased the mind of the receiver.

      Peace

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      You are funny Eric :)

      When i said "Judge nothing before the appointed time" ( I was talking to ME ) because no matter how i find some folk's irritating, i Just can't help mysef, i to Love EVERYBODY deep down, but saying that, Elijah's going to put his foot in it again, and I'll be pulling out my hair :)

      If I'm being a little direct to Elijah ? Doing it for a reason. A few years i was sitting in a group with people discussing things, i made a couple of judgemental comments towards an individual, but the reaction i got back in return shocked me and everyone in the group, and everyone went quite. This Lady in the group looked at me and ask'd ( How do you feel about his reaction to you ? )

      I tell you how i felt ( I FELT LIKE A REAL FOOL ) and a jerk.

      I never forgot that experience, and sometimes it's good for someone to put us in our place, it takes us out of our own little bubble of a world we live in.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Gentlemen I am considering these fantastic comments. You both are excellent teachers. After birth I wonder if God still directs molecular structure.

      As an aside, Antonio you may be right about Elijah. It does not change my love for him. Some folks (like my wife) just phrase things in a fashion that rubs us wrong, like dictatorship.(Vietnamese style) That is our prejudice against being "preached" at. I have to learn that language like Portuguese or Tagalog - just a different way of saying things.

      Again thanks to you two so much. I am learning so much and I appreciate it much.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      OK Freddie McGregor, Elijah :) "coming in tough" ( the song ) by Freddie.

      You know the good thing about being confident in yourself ? You don't seek the approval of others, or justify yourself to anybody, we're all individuals with free-will to make our own choices be it good or bad. ( I Really don't need to be right about everything ) but i do know i have my own experiences on life, you telling me you know me better than myself ??

      If Eric corrects me on anything, i listern to him with respect & change accordingly, but what you do Elijah, Nature Boy :) you keep using this narcissistic, emotional abuse language constantly trying to correct other's with you constant Put-Downs.

      How come you're so right and everyone else is wrong ?

      In fact, ask yourself another question Elijah, if everyone in the world was ( Just Like You ) would this world be a better place ? Or not ?

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      5 weeks ago from Washington DC

      I agree, Eric, with "The sons of Wisdom are the church of the just: and their generation, obedience and love" except I would replace love with "in the difference to love and hate" which makes it a ball since electrons united with protons becomes neutrons a ball or cycle.

      Antonio, your statement "Judge NOTHING before the appointed time" except that 'judge' is not a judging but recognizing the intended consequences. Also, to "Wisdom is good, it can save our lives..." I would say 'wisdom knows when it is time to save lives' because all things are re-manifesting eternally (Ecc. 1:9). I see 'fear' (approach with cautious learning) as the root of educate (objectively observe, participate as need to discover different outcomes for reasoning to find the purpose for communicating to others) since edu means to bring from within which is done by experiencing.

      I disagree, Antonio, with your "Fear can mean being afraid, alarmed, distressed", Scared and Afraid does those things, my finding of Fear is to approach with cautious learning. And to your reply to his statement, Eric.

      If our mother has worries while carrying us her emotion(s) is introduced into the fetus so we are born with those worries, that was proven during slavery when they had a hanging or brutal beating of a slave they brought any pregnant mother to watch which instilled it into the unborn child.

      I am glad you taught your son, Eric, to fear Diamond Back Rattlesnakes rather than to be "afraid" or "scared", if you had he would never have learned to "respect, revere and understand" them for his mind would say to "fight or take flight", is my take on the rest of your posts.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio I think that is what most people think. Funny about that. My son is 9. I taught him early how to appreciate them. He has never been afraid of them. Fear of them is taught. I often wonder about that notion of "fight or flight". (yes I am weird)

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      If i saw a Diamond Back Rattlesnake, my first thoughts would be WHERE'S THE DOOR :)

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio I was thinking further on this fear understanding. Because of my back country life I realized that I may have taught my sons to fear, respect, revere and understand a Diamond Back Rattlesnake. A beautiful, wonderful majestic primary predator. Just a thought.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio I love Mat 6 about the about birds and lilies. That is so cool. I often try to think of this. When you get older you may worry about how you look. And it is just plain silly. When I got over that exercise became fun again. God is Great. Also we seem to loose come control over remembering. I used to worry about that also. We are so silly.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Eric.

      You know what I actually take time to ( DELIBERATELY ) do :) ?

      ( That's to not worry about anything in life ) before we were born, we had no worries, after we're gone we won't have any worries again, the hard bit is to live by Jesus words while we're alive.

      ( Math 6:27 ) "who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life" ?

      Not sure what the oncologist is offering ? It maybe good, but your own faith ( no matter what ) can even give faith to others.

      Did you know, God can reverse time if he wanted to ? but he don't need to, his plans are even better than that.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio on fear and love. My Oncologist insists that his patients "see" a therapist specialism in Oncology deals. Cancer creates a fear. But that is goofy. Our hearts filled with love cannot have room for fear. "My cup runeth over".

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Most excellent Antonio regarding "literal" or "conceptual". My boy's mom is teaching my son to do the "Lord's Prayer" in Vietnamese. So cool. In Vietnamese I would estimate it 30 words longer or more. I had to just read things many times as I preached to a Vietnamese "Missionary" congregation. I really just preached to the youth (30 and under). But I had to study it somewhat in Vietnamese. So interesting.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      The words Fear and Meditate, "especially" Meditate can have a variety of meanings, depending on the current ideas and understanding of what the word is trying to convey.

      I do know the jws for example when using the word Fear in a religious setting, understand the word to mean ( A Fear of DISPLEASING God ) which may be the same as "Reverence" if it has the same results. If we have deep respect and Awe for God in a reverential and respectful way, the Fear we would have towards him would be a Fear of displeasing God. That's a "healthy Fear" not a morbid Fear.

      If we have real "Reverence" for God, we maybe "Ashamed" of saying or doing some things before the presence of the Almighty, where's Fear can mean being afraid, alarmed, distressed, because of a perceived threat of impending danger, which are ( unpleasant feelings and emotions )

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Something i took from the jws, ( The heart is the seat of motivation )

      Wisdom is good, it can save our lives, but only if we allow the seat of Motivation to do it's work, the figurative heart where love comes from.

      ( I John 4:7 ) "Everyone who loves has been born of God, and KNOWS God" 18 "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love"

      Them verses show there's a contrast between real genuine love & fear. Real love dispels all fears.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      I think your referring to ( Philippians 4:8 )

      It could be "Meditate" "Think about" or it could be "Consider" as well, but to "Think about such things" implies we can add to pauls list of Virtues. Not set in stone so to speak.

      Something i read on the front pages of the ( Westcott & Hort ) bible years ago,

      "The purpose of a bible translation is to translate the Ideas & Thoughts of God" sometimes if we try and stick to a literal word for word translation we can lose the meaning of some words, in fact, in ( Greek for example ) you may need to translate one word into a whole "Phrase" to capture it's meaning, sometimes, the other way round. In other languages there's no equivalent words to use, so the translation is about translating the Ideas & Thoughts.

      Responding to Elijah's comment ( 1 Cor 4:5 ) "Judge NOTHING before the appointed time"

      Talk about Johnny Cash, don't go naming your Son Sue, Bill, George, anything but Sue :)

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      You guys made me pull out my father's 1907 Latin Vulgate Bible as this struck a chord. Ecclesiasticus 3:1 "The sons of Wisdom are the church of the just: and their generation, obedience and love."

      Wisdom equals obedience and love maybe.

      Perhaps in accord with Ecc 7:12. It is hard sometimes to distinguish between life and love or love and life. I know Ecc 7:12 says "life" but in conjunction with 1 John 4 it seems clear that only love can produce wisdom.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Wow, Elijah I really love that about the circle. I also do the "just open the Bible with your eyes closed concept" It does well for my son and I. A funny thing is is that I have done it so much that I can hit a book in the Bible with my eyes closed. I think that is funny.

      Now the circle concept is important to my mind. It is crucial to me that I do not ever "endure". My life has some major issues but they are just a part of the circle that is never broken. How can I reach the top if I do not go to the bottom? But like the earth; is Antarctica the top or the Arctic?

      I would believe Johnny Cash did "May the circle be unbroken by and by lord by and by" something like that.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Now Elijah and Antonio you are delighting me. All of this discussion is better than mom's apple pie to me. I would rather discuss like this than just about anything. Thank you both.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio some versions use the word reverence instead of fear. It is like "think on this" from Paul about things that are worthy but the alternate could be "meditate on these things". I used to dislike the word fear in translations but got over it. We must fear the judgment of God. Not a free will thing at all to me and mine. Or maybe it is but we ignore the alternatives.

      I really like your Bible quotes/references. You are a blessing Antonio.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      5 weeks ago from Washington DC

      And that commandment, Antonio, in paraphrasing the garden's tree and god's name, respectively, is do not judge anything but keep them being what their nomenclatures call them.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Parallel bibles are good for instant cross referencing.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Verse 5 is just a realistic view of LIFE UNDER THE SUN by solomon. If we take God out the equation, all things in life becomes meaningless cycles in the end. V5 "mourners going about the streets" ? What else can they do ? It's a sad situation for mankind to be in, but that's the reality solomon observed.

      Solomon wasn't being pessimistic, but he did test life out along with all its pleasures as well, and found it all meaningless without purpose.

      A footnote in the nlt says "Do we spend all our days searching for meaning ? Or do we acknowledge the one who adds meaning to all we do" ?

      Solomons analysis was "Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole [ Duty ] of man" 12:13

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio I just love Proverbs chapter 1 great 7th verse you refer to. I only have about 12 Bible editions and so I only looked this up 3 times. I like my real books (internet is good though)

      I was climbing with too much weight in the Rockies and a cliff climb scared me to death. It gave me the courage to go forward.

      My fear of the Lord is made of fear of disappointing my Lord. I am his child and I cannot let him down.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I love this comment Elijah. I was not anointed to preach gospel anymore. I/ we change and change and change or we could say we grow or maybe that we a get reborn.

      So happy to converse on these issues with you. Listening - reading others is the crux of doing better. Yet the only real communion is with our spirit leader.

      I 100% refuse not to grow and love.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      5 weeks ago from Washington DC

      Eric, my 12th birthday was on a Sunday and the only celebration of a birthday as a child I can remember and only that Sunday's dinner. Before "saying grace" my mom told me to get the Bible and when I return she told me to open it and wherever it opens began to read. It was Ecclesiastes 3 and I read through verse 11 before she said that's enough. That became the foundation of all of my education because I made everything, including God in that "everything," is seasonal.

      If you have read much of my writings you'll find most of everything I talk about is cyclic in nature, or seasonal, and only by not having open ends is it possible to not be torn apart. It can be added to but there is no place to access a cycle to destroy it, it must be taken as a whole or left alone. That is the premise I use in my attempt to obtain wisdom. That is why I use "indifference" to unite love and hate, when one "loves" it isn't complete unless one "hates" controlling but use others as a sounding board to determine if there is a flaw in the assessment.

      So Eric, Ecclesiastes is the source of my, hopeful, wisdom but not said in it's exact terms. I do things with "indifference" so others may hear it and contemplate the matter, reject it straight out or use it as something to meditate on. If that is an empty gong so be it, I have allowed my inner (the kingdom of god is within us) guide me in my actions. One thing I have noticed is every time I attempt to do something before my guid desire me to it doesn't sound like anything but when the time comes for it I am able to make it comprehensible.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Elijah, we are of accord. But I would like more of your thoughts and the notions put forth in Ecclesiastes. You do well "preaching" about this area. What is "Wisdom".

      I prefer to think of it as an amalgamation. One year we change our body to increase our abilities, another we study, another we concentrate (think/meditate) and so on and so on. But it seems all of this must be done in love or they are an empty gong.

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      Eric Dierker 

      5 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio on your comment about V -5. That is so interesting. Seems to me that to be reborn one must die first. I actually take time to "consciously die". I meditate, the "consciously" part means I choose to go. (excuse to all for using "meditate" but the actual translation of Paul is not to "think" but to meditate.) Verse 5 kills me.

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      Antonio50S 

      5 weeks ago

      Just thinking about what you said Eric, "Wisdom comes differently"

      My understanding is Wisdom is seeing things from "Gods view point" since there's various forms of wisdoms out there, not quite the same as general knowledge.

      ( Proverbs 1:7 ) "The fear of the lord is the begining of Wisdom" and "he who walk's with wise men will become wise" 13:20 for that, any real wisdom is seeing things from Gods viewpoint.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      6 weeks ago from Washington DC

      Your last statement is so true, Eric. Wisdom comes from "objectively observing any and all things, participating to obtain various outcomes of them and reasoning with them to be able to explain our findings to others." Your statement hit the nail squarely on the head and, hopefully, my above statement drives it home.

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      Antonio50S 

      6 weeks ago

      You are right. 11&12 really good chapters. What i had in mind with ( Chapt 9 ) was the fastest don't always win the race in this life as we know it, which can render things meaningless.

      It's about keeping our perspective & fulfilling our duties to someone higher, "the real rewarder of all things" despite the inequalities of life.

      About ( Chapt 12 v "5" ) that's a reality check :)

      Teacher was definitely teaching us something in V5

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      Eric Dierker 

      6 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      If everyone was wise wisdom would mean nothing. Old people being old does not make them wiser it just makes them older. Wisdom comes differently.

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      Antonio50S 

      6 weeks ago

      Of all the things to pray for ? Solomon prays for Wisdom.

      "Wisdom and money can get you almost anything, but only wisdom can save your life" ( Ecc 7:12 ) nlt

      It may not prevent us from making some mistakes in life, but it's good in helping us to Self-Reflect, in fact, you could say, to pray for Wisdom is a sign of Wisdom.

      Not sure if that 4% is good or bad ? but it sounds good to me :)

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      Eric Dierker 

      6 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio it is good to see your light here again. Ecclesiastes 9 is so cool. I love to read 11 -12. That balance between wisdom and a kind of vainglory/vanity. How easy for us to puff up ourselves in understanding.

      To my mind this especially applies to preachers and I would read this book when I preached.

      It reminds of that verse about sinning in teaching children that is like the worst.

      Now my 9 year old and I are starting on these notions. He is top 4% of his class and he puffs up to his mom. but never to other students.

      Quietly we give wisdom. The good know wisdom before it is learned.

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      Antonio50S 

      6 weeks ago

      To Eric.

      I was just reading ( Ecclesiastes 9 ) the ( whole ) Chapter.

      Read it about 3-4 times.

      Doesn't that chapter sum up the very existence and meaningless to life itself.

      While reading it, ( One thing stood out very CLEAR ) if we want to live forever in Gods Kindom, with him, ( It's all about a close personal relationship with him & his Son ) Just like how we feel about our own kids.

      "No matter what" ( Never lose the faith Eric )

      To all the family. Agape. X

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Eric.

      Better to be a "Love Flower" than a wall flower.

      Will keep in mind all the things you mentioned.

      Peace.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Eric. If you never loved people the way you do, you would never have picked up the way you did.

      You know, as i go about my daily business I'm so careful about the people i mix with now, that may well cause a little cloistering just "for now" but it's a small price to pay for keeping my spirituality & faith in tact.

      You remind me so much of my older brother who's no longer with us. He could speak and teach 8-9 languages which include " Spanish" Italian, French, Greek, ( but it was his personality that literally made him stand out ) we could all be at a wedding or gathering of 5000 people, and he'd be there right in the middle of it all ( outshining ) everybody with his outgoing personality, laughter, sense of humour. Everybody always knew where the party was when he was around. You could hear him. ( I hear you to Eric ) all the women were dazzled by that. Sign of a great personality, like yourself.

      ( Ultreya ) ? That's the best compliment ever. I absolutely love "Christopher Columbus" the "1620's Pilgrims" to name a couple. The Mayflower, Speedwell, Pinta, Nina, Santa Maria :) don't get me going.

      It's funny you mentioning Cloistering, because i love Cloisters as well, maybe not quite the same thing, but that magic of sunlight peering through the columns of Cathedrals, WOW, almost a spiritual experience initself which takes you back to a different world in a different time.

      You know Eric, because of you, i now understand Msdora as well. I always knew she was a great teacher, i guess it was just a brother and sister thing deep down. No real issue as such, but the best lesson of it all ? Any friend of Eric is a friend of mine, you know others by the people they hang out with. Msdora is ( One cool dude ) but don't tell her i said that, what keeps us cool is the humility.

      I will always practice my compliments to people like Dora and yourself, good experience.

      A crazy thought went through my mind a couple of hours ago. "When people and the world gets confusing, we need to go into ourselves & self reflect, because that's where all the answers are, not in the actions of others or our environment" or we can put our arms round a tree, that should bring us back to reality.

      Anyway, i would just like to echo some of the best words ever uttered. "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain" ( Philippians 1:21 ) I wonder what prompted paul to write them words ? ( Maybe deep springs welling from within ) ? Maybe the man cought up in the third heaven ? Or a combination of all experiences by paul. Either way, what a "privilege" to know the Christ.

      Eric, you and Dora will always be true brothers and sisters to me. "Mammy Blue" was one of my brothers favourite songs. But just before he left us, i ask'd him to listen to "JULIO IGLESIAS version of that song, he loved it. Half way through the song he sings in Spanish ? Or french ? But i know you'll know.

      Tony.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      3 months ago from Washington DC

      Okay, I see I didn't reach your point, forgive me, the "bad" is on me.

      Existence is maintained by the motion of the tiniest of particles to the entire zeroverse with everything repeating itself over and over unceasingly. The souls, or as I call them, life-forces experiences every individual attribute of every physical type of manifestation beginning with the components of atoms until it become the life-force of the zeroverse.

      We can recognize all animated and plant beings are different is some way, we call them personalities like snow flakes are said to never be two alike [during any storm I say] and every piece of fruit or berry will be different. That also include planets, suns, moons and the zeroverse. Each life-force has to experience being each of those personalities to allow every experiencing every interaction they each experiences, including the zeroverse. That's "karma" and "reaping what you sow".

      Take that concept and apply it to everything in existence then we can see why man [meaning mind able to comprehend and exceed the ability of all things we've experienced] are called god. Before being man the life-force have to experience every attribute of everything on earth including every human/woman [minds unable to comprehend all things] attribute. As human there are 2 genders, 4 primary ethnics, 12 eastern and 12 western zodiac attributes we must experience individually and every conceivable combination then the "born again" metamorphosis brings all of those things to our remembrance.

      I hope that give you an understanding of why Genesis 1 gives us the birth of things in different days, our life-forces migrate through all earthen manifestations beginning with the smallest to the grandest.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Sorry dude that does not answer my question to my understanding. Probably you need someone smarter and more enlightened than I. I don't even get what you mean. Bad on me.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      3 months ago from Washington DC

      As I, so to speak, connect the dots of Daniel being told "he would stand in his lot in the last days", "the dead in Christ will rises first" which are the five foolish virgins killed doing the "War of That Great Day of God Almighty" to become those given the white robes in Rev. 6 as Rev. 14:13 reveals, and the words "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" I can only believe in reincarnation.

      I add to that Ecc. 1:9 reading "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." Then add Gen. 1:14's reading "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs [of man on earth's plight[, [like] seasons, days, and years." Then add Paul's "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" I can see no way for those things to be true without reincarnation.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Elijah I have never got reincarnation in the Bible sense. I just don't see the soul as needing in incarnation. Souls just are. They will always be. And the love part of soul needs no host. So maybe you could break that down for me using traditional verbage.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio you have gift. What I like to call a light. Now to my poor recollection I understand that lights should not be put under a basket and that Christ did not send the Apostles 2 by 2 to seek believers but rather to address unbelievers.

      I used to say "preaching to the choir should get claps" and I did as a preacher.

      Best of journey to you, Ultreya, but be careful of cloistering.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      3 months ago from Washington DC

      Thanks, Eric.

      One thing I realized shortly after I began the Nomad life of following Jesus' example, we will continue to be a work in progress until we become the life-force of the Zeroverse usually called universe. But as soon as the phoenix becomes ashes - we enter during its nest's burning - we leave it to began another incarnating journey.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Thanks Eric.

      That's the direction i want to be heading now. Definitely not a Hub Page person. Plus I'v been interacting with a ministry organisation who publish devotionals. I kind of like the idea of sending some motivational day readings over to them as well.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thanks Elijah I appreciate your explanation. My wife means to be suggestive and polite. It is hard for me to get across to her that her words are not. After 19 years knowing each other perhaps she is trying to see things from another's perspective and tone it down a bit. We are works in progress and I appreciate you progressing with me.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      3 months ago from Washington DC

      Eric,

      Usually my intention isn't to think for someone except in a few instances where a phrase appears to me to contradict the subject matter and even in such case I attempt to show why? In the process of discussing I do give my view and ask concerning the other person's, as done below, but that isn't telling them how to think, instead it's asking them to show me an alternative. Some people might take that as dictating but it isn't, it is inquiring of them another alternative.

      Thank you and especially for that notice about that last line, it'll cause me to pay more attention to how I invite others to dialog with me.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Thank you Eric.

      Love is "exactly" what it's all about.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Elijah perhaps everyone is just too polite. Your comments get quite out there and are hard to follow sometimes. And sometimes you lapse into telling us what to think as opposed to "what you think". It creates a scenario where we cannot get it and feel uncomfortable with someone insisting we see it your way.

      Your last line of "dare reason with me". Will not win you any readers.

      But carry on as you see fit. Just my suggestions.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio you are welcome here, as you show dignity and respect. I found your comment very interesting and well laid out.

      Now if you care you can write me an email about a topic - concise and I will publish along with my views. Love is a lot about sharing.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      3 months ago from Washington DC

      Antonio,

      Scripture say "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool" so lets allow the Lord within us reason together with us in attendance.

      The gospel message Jesus revealed in Luke 17:20-21 reads ...

      "20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

      21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

      Since God is enthroned within us doesn't that mean god is directing our every action weather we call its good or evil? Scripture say god made the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" so who has seen that so we can know which is good and which is evil? If we can't look at what we ate that caused us to recognize them how are we know we actually ate something and it's not only an illusion caused by our conditioning parents (Gen. 2:24)? Since god is within us with the power to prohibit everything we do - although we often hear its guiding voice but refuses to obey it - isn't it possible that we are allowed to experience what it is we call good and evil so, as Jesus said in John 14:26 meaning after we are born again like tadpoles are born into frogs, "the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I [the father enthroned within us] have said unto you"?

      Since everyone who discarnates during the last days will resurrect, the "dead in Christ (Rev. 6:9-11 & 14:13) during the first millennium and everyone else during the remaining 6 days or millenniums, and replenish the earth for the what I call the "Alternate Body and sunless" (Rev. 21:4 & 23) civilization; doesn't that means good and evil is only an illusion? How, then, is that not also the gospel of Jesus called Christ?

      Will you dare to reason with me?

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Hello Elijah again.

      For me personally, there's only one message, the "Gospel message of Jesus" which includes Jesus birth, life, death, resurrection, and most importantly the "Forgiveness of sins" which was foretold generations before Jesus was born. We can all be messengers in relation to that message, unless we choose to preach another ? Everybody has the right to believe as they choose, but for me, that's the message.

      Regarding ( Isaiah 45:7 ) that's also part of the Gospel message of Jesus.

      Your understanding of verse 47 is not in agreement with the scriptures ( as a whole ). Though God does have the power to create light and darkness, prosperity and disaster, that verse is mainly to shows that God is in control of all nations, not that he delights in bringing darkness and disaster. The emphasis is wrong, along with your understanding of Sin.

      The chapter is about Gods people being in bondage under king Nebuchadnezza of Babylon, and God using Cyrus the great of persia, ( of all people, an outsider ) to Concuer Babylon which happened in the year 539 BC ( to free the Jewish nation )

      2 years later in 537 BC Cyrus gave the decree for the Jews to return to their homeland in fulfillment of the 70 year desolation period in ( Jeremiah 25 )

      God first destroyed Judah for their sins 70 years before the destruction of babylon, then God turned his attention to babylon in 539 BC and destroyed it because of their sins as well, using Cyrus the Great.

      God uses anybody from any nation to fulfill his will, after all, God is the creator of everything, including all people, no matter what nationality they belong to.

      The 1948 UN "declaration of human rights" is based on the discovery of the Cyrus cylinder, a copy of which exist at the UN. Them rights include freedoms to build our own homes, where to live, freedom of religious beliefs, to name a few, but the main reason God used Cyrus, was to release the Jewish nation, and because the promised Messiah, Jesus himself would come through that nation as God promised generations before.

      Though Cyrus gave the decree that all nations could choose their own beliefs, that was also in agreement with Gods plan that when Jesus was born around 500 years later, "after the destruction of babylon" people of all nations could choose to put their trust in that Gospel Message.

      People can choose to believe as they wish, but Just letting you know Elijah, ( I'm not a people follower ) and don't go along with peoples own interpretation of scriptures. Sorry Elijah, no disrespect, but won't go along with anyone who disregards the "main" fundamental gospel message of Jesus, and why God had the bible written to begin with.

      I now your going to want to correct me again, or that i ( missed something ) try and resist the urge. No matter what anyone says, what interpretations they have, "for me" Salvation is found in no other, except in the "Name of Jesus, the Greater Solomon.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      3 months ago from Washington DC

      That's why I call myself an Atheist-Christian along with how I interpret the symbolism of Isaiah 7:14-22 with 14-16 & 22 reading with them ...

      "14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin [virtuous person] shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel [in man is God].

      15 Butter [Civilizational] and honey [environmentally] shall he eat [live], that he may know to refuse the evil [civilization], and choose the good [environment].

      16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest [death] shall be forsaken of both her kings [God over good and devil over evil]."

      The remaining verses suggest "everyone who survives the 'Battle of That Great Day of God Almighty' will also have lived accordingly."

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Very great interchange friends. You both bring us into a place of contemplation. I really like the lack of ranker so common these days.

      I had treated my elder brother shabbily and wrote (yes I still hand-write letters) and apologized for being a bad brother. He wrote back that there were no good or bad brothers, only brothers. Not bad for an atheist.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      3 months ago from Washington DC

      Antonio,

      What you are missing is Isaiah 45:7's "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do [in present tense meaning God does everything through us] all these things". That means there is no sin nor righteousness, everything is a message but because of our eating from the knowledge of good and evil we don't see it that way.

      There is to be a "first fruit of the gospel" who is the second messiah (Ex. 4:6-8, Isa. 11:1 & 10-12, Malachi 3:1 & Mat. 24:6) who is twice smitten (Num. 20:1-11) and "the prophet like unto Moses" (Deut. 18:15 & 18) who sprinkles many nations with the message and the example of what it is to be saved. He will have a girl "Help Meet", the opposite of Eve and Delilah, who will be responsible for ushering first harvested (Rev. 14:14-20) five wise virgins into Armageddon and close it after the prophet like Moses messiah enters.

      I have several hubs showing that you can read for a better understanding.

      Peace!

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Eric.

      That messogenic disease don't sound to good, but if it helps me saying, though i would not attribute all things to that Satan fella himself, he does and will have a lot to answer for. Whatever God allows, he allows for reasons.

      Even the demons believe and shudder at the very name of God ( James 2:19 ) Rightly so as well as they witnessed first hand Gods power at work throughout the ages. One way or another, God knows how to deliver people out of trials.

      Whatever past mistakes i may have made myself ( I would NEVER question or test God now ) i may have done so in the past out of ignorance, but not now.

      It's not always obvious when God is at work, but in a lot of cases and testimonies, when people look back over the years, they see the hand of God behind things.

      God is a master "Chess Player" anyone who knows a little about Chess will tell you that you need to be able to see way ahead into the game, to the very final outcome. God is the ultimate Master in that. He allows time, decades, generations, even millenniums to pass before we see the final outcome to all things. All we can do is sit back in Awe in our brief short life, while God is working things out for the benefit of all future generations to come, not just ours.

      Like Paul said in ( 2 Cor 12:9 ) "my power is made perfect in weakness"

      Whatever God allows, he allows for reasons.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio a great and well received message. If you decline to join and write then I will always have a home for you. What growth we are going through. Each of us leaders and teachers and students and children.

      "In the meantime, we can all do the work of a messenger". How cool is that statement? Thanks. And even better yet I think we can all do the work of those who hear and listen.

      I am sitting here with a messogenic lymphoma gut ache from satan. But good words like yours lift up my spirit which is not diseased.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Hello Elijah.

      If Eric don't mind me responding to you on his Hub Page.

      I agree with what you say, maybe we all have some message to get over. After all, if we've leaned something from another, they managed to get a message over to us.

      What i had in mind though was the verses in ( Mathew 24:45-47 )

      "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master ( Jesus ) has put in charge of the servants ( Messengers ) in his household to give them their food at the proper time ?"

      46 "It will be good for that servant ( Messenger ) whose master finds him doing so when he returns"

      47 " I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions"

      Them verses are from Jesus himself, and imply that he's already put his servants in charge to some degree generations ago, but the real appointing or putting the servants or ( messenger ) in charge comes later when Jesus returns.

      In the meantime, we can all do the work of a messenger, in anticipation of Jesus return, but Jesus himself is the one who will do the final "Judging" & appointings.

      There's a lot of outstanding teachers out there, like Msdora, including Eric, and others. ( God can & does use ) whoever he wishes.

      The only thing that's puzzling ? "Verse 47" That servant or ( Messenger ) seems to imply a group of people "collectively" to rule over Jesus belongings ? As opposed to one person ?

      ( I don't have all the answers ) and yes, you are probably right in what you say, but not sure if anyone can take the Title "YET" of being a messenger, untill Jesus appoints them ?

      Trust you to pick me up on this Elijah :)

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Elijan, your comment is really revealing. I will think on it more. How right you are about all being a messenger. My boy and I live that. I never thought of it that way. Thank you. We are working on a skull/head I found Canine or Feline we ask. But it carries a message we must work to unravel it. (no internet of encyclopedic references allowed)

      But that whole message is clear, to work together in love to explore the mysteries of life.

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      Elijah A Alexander Jr 

      3 months ago from Washington DC

      Antonio,

      Concerning your post about Eric calling someone a "messenger" I say...

      Everything on this earth is a messenger revealing something about existence as its purpose. Human/woman (minds unable to comprehend all things per Gen. 2:23) represents only half of what their messages represent since they divide most everything in half based on their sense perceptions. If they haven't been "born again" with a testimony following the natural birth (Romans 1:20) to become man they usually represent a part of what can be done excessively. Man (minds able to comprehend and exceed the ability of all things per Gen. 1:26-28) see everything's 360 degrees in all directions, like a sphere, to recognize causes, effects, consequences and seek their purposes.

      Human/woman messengers are revealing how being incomplete cause them to be dependent and attracted to their opposites, sometimes showing it in excess, sometimes moderately and other times insufficiently, thus, when man observe them with our minds and physical senses they are able to recognize the the cause of the different effects presented by them.

      Meanwhile, man messengers demonstrate how to live in what the Christ called the "straight way with the narrow gate" or the joining point between the opposites. An example that is the approximate hour between sunrise and sunset which is a straight line completely around the earth at all times. That means man are required to be constantly moving to remain in the "middle path" the Buddha called it.

      So, yes, everything has a message it is up to us to comprehend their individual messages and/or recognize the whole message of man and earth.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Thanks Eric. I may do that a little later on, but for now, need a break for reasons. You're good man.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio there is no reason that you do not join us here. Your clear sharing of love would be good for many by your own articles.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      2 Cor 12, is a very good chapter. Considering what paul put the christians through, he later became a great visionary, and also by talking about the "man caught up in the third heaven" That man may well have been paul himself ? speaking of himself to stop him becoming conceited.

      Visions like that gives greater purpose and meaning to life in showing that there are far greater, grandiose things which awaits us, other than this temporary broken up world where death reighns.

      These are great verses from paul again in ( Romans 8:38,39 ) "For i am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord"

      Basically paul is saying, theres absolutely "Nothing" in creation that will separate us from God and Christ, not even death, that also includes any worry we may have in the one we leave behind, since God is in control of even that.

      Death has a way of taking from us things we'd cling to forever, but in Christ who holds the keys to death and hades, all things are made new.

      Revelation 21, The New Jerusalem. Vs 4 "the old order of things have passed away"

      Tony.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I like how you brought it from 2 Cor.12 to Daniel's Thorn.

      This notion is paramount for me as I get to apply it to my cancer. And I specifically do not mention suffering. Except for "long suffering". I don't suffer.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Antonio I certainly do not intend to correct you. I would hope to just put stuff out there and you adjust if something strikes you.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      And yes, having thought about what you said, a good thorn will keep it on the inside. That was a good example you mentiond about the boy struggling and hospitality. Isn' it funny, everytime you think you have it all sussed, someone comes along and corrects you. [ Appreciate that ]

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      You're right. That's a good knowledge to be puffed up about, that also brings new meaning to ( Daniel 12:3 ) "Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever"

      A good old thorn keeps us focused.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      God through Paul was on a great roll there. 1 Cor 8. Somehow when you get into it as a way of life. You can deal with that knowledge puffing you up. Real knowledge is knowing and nurturing our soul of love. Lest I think my knowledge goes to the outside a good thorn will keep it on the inside.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Eric. You ( unproductive slob ) that was funny :)

      This is one of the best articles i ever read. No middle ground, one way or the other, but you chose the way of love, above all.

      That's cool.

      Spent lot's of time reading motivational psychology books, "Wayne Dyer" "Jim Rohn" but this article is a reminder to read more of the things that's uplifting, which builds you up.

      Love is also a great motivator.

      "Knowledge puffs up ( LOVE ) builds up" 1 Cor 8:1

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Thank you Eric.

      Happy New Year to you & all the family.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      próspero Año Nuevo! for everyone. Antonio I wish you the Joy this season.

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      Antonio50S 

      3 months ago

      Thank you Eric.

      You're a good man. You remind me of myself, and friends i have.

      I ( Love everybody ) but think "Love is the gratest gift"

      You to good you are Eric.

      Love & Peace.

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