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Eric's Sunday Sermon; Some Truths About Truth

Updated on August 28, 2016

Funerals and the like are very interesting as each of us has a different truth about the deceased.

Some mourn death, others celebrate it. It depends on their truth.
Some mourn death, others celebrate it. It depends on their truth. | Source

Know yourself so you can determine if truth to you is trustworthy

My previous sermon was on the topic of honesty. All of it left the elephant sitting in the corner of the room. The essential element of honesty is knowing the truth. This is a fascinating area of inquiry. We have some who proclaim ultimate truths. And yet still others that proclaim that all is an illusion and knowing truth is a delusion in and of itself. So this brings us to the tough notions of “Are there immutable absolute truths?” or “Are truths essentially personal and variable from one to another person?”.

Did you know that gravity was once a complete and unquestionable law of science? And then these yahoos without regard to what was sacrosanct traveled into outer space. Where in the heck did gravity go? On the other hand we now know that the earth travels around the sun because of gravity. OK, call me crazy but we know that the earth actually bends up to falling objects, and I am told that some primitive cultures and languages describe a falling rock as the earth coming up to meet the object. And yes there are still those that believe all of this is nearly irrelevant because God just made it so. Sorry but it sounds to me like truth is a “to me” concept.

Now my friends do not tarry too long on the above stuff of gravity. It can become a rabbit hole for your mind – at least for me. The point really is; if reality and truth can change over a timeline, isn’t it just as likely changing of truth can be based on a perspective?

I like reading. I can read out loud to you and the words are truthfully on the page of the book. But woe is me. I can read the book 3 times and get a different meaning out of it each time. Certainly the Bible is this way. So does the truth of what the Bible means change with each reading? I am afraid that it does. So as the Bible changes meaning to an individual – how much more so between individuals and each time read and each person knows a truth. Clearly the truth changes from time to time and certainly between individuals.

I reckon our own truth is our own business.

This fellow's truth is probably different than yours. I know his changes with time.

You may think this fellow a cowboy. Well while that might have been true many years ago - it is not true today.
You may think this fellow a cowboy. Well while that might have been true many years ago - it is not true today. | Source

Happy to think

Perhaps I should not have started this sermon out so heavy as clearly some of you are now asleep or long gone. But I assure you that we will move on into some cool stuff.

I proclaim a truth. Make it about stuff in the religious and/or political arena. My truth is different than your truth. And then being friends who respect each other we argue in the proper way. Should we or should we not have a border wall? After discussion you have changed my view and my truth to your way of thinking. That is a very special thing.

Here is a really cool one. My son is about 6 and a half years old. He is newly in first grade. His teachers and parents are teaching him new things. He is a voracious learner. You would think after a full day of learning he would like to mush out with his tablet and the TV. But that is not happening here. He really wants to learn more about our world and cool stuff. Lately we are into the areas of soccer, rocks, of course always dinosaurs, multiplication, reading and Jesus and the spiritual world. It seems that every day he learns something new in these areas. Yesterday we got into saying thank you out loud because how else does the other person know we are thankful – and how that compares to saying prayers out loud. Well why pray out loud because God already knows, and why say thank you when you just asked please. So yesterday my foundational truths were passed onto my son. I am not sure he is buying it. But no matter what he learned my truths to me. And he learned about an area of truths that he did not know before. See the deal here. Did those truths exist to my son before he learned of them? I kind of wobble between we are born knowing all and that we must learn of a truth before it is one to us. Again that rasky devil truth changes before our eyes.

One of my favorite pass times is the whole argument between atheists and believers. This is topped only by the arguments between two of the same faith. Each proclaiming ultimate truths and arguing to support them. Cool. Don’t they realize that growing, like my son, requires that we learn new truths? That hourly we change and add new truths while losing some old ones.

I wonder what her truth was.

Learning new things

Does learning together bring about shared truths?
Does learning together bring about shared truths? | Source

Don't leave out that detail, God already knows it.

Don’t tell anyone but decades ago I was a trial attorney. What I did was like the exciting stuff of a trial on TV. My ultimate job was to convince twelve jurors and a judge that what I wanted to be the truth was the truth. And everyone knew ahead of time that I was biased beforehand and that I would stop at nothing in order to convince them. An uphill battle if the facts and the law was against me. But without that challenge what fun would it be? Yes one could say that I became an institutionalized, legalized pathological liar with a license. My truth was the truth though I already knew that truth is more often than not subjective and determined by perspective. So like a wizard I changed your truth to my truth. And who the hell knows which truth is the “real” truth. Guilty or innocent, liable or not, damaged or not or caused by or not.

What about hiding the truth or omitting it? There is that standard traditional oath that is taken and it is fun in itself. Used to be and still is often sworn to with and on Bible. (there is so much wrong with that, and yet for some truthfully good about that) “Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.” Interesting isn’t it. I put a priest on the stand once to testify about a person’s emotional pain and suffering. He balked at the oath and said no. His reason and truth were quite clear. He simply could not tell the whole truth. The confessional is sacrosanct to the highest degree of man and God. He simply could not reveal the truths revealed in such a way. Of course as we moved on the priest could not be completely trusted as there was omission of truth. However he was to be completely trusted because he showed such integrity. What kind of truth did he speak?

(yes the oath above can add “so help you God” but it can be omitted)

Trust and truth

Grow on baby!

So it is by agreement that we reach universal truths. Not by science or by God. Both can change in review and growth. Understanding can change from individual to individual, and certainly with time. And therefore my brethren, listen not to the fellow who tries to convince you that only his interpretation of God and His desires are correct. And I advise check back with him in 5 years, consistency will not mean truth, but lack of growing.

Lord, I know I cannot handle the whole truth today, please stay with me and guide me as I grow. And protect me from those who have stopped growing.

Stagnant water is not safe to drink.

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      whonunuwho 10 months ago from United States

      You mentioned that in reading a book several times, or passages, that you may get a different meaning...I believe that it all depends upon the mood we are in at the time quite a lot. Nice sermon my friend. whonu

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      I do agree "WE ARE GROWING" but ONLY "according to HIS WORD!" II Corinthians 3:18 says "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the GLORY of the LORD, are CHANGED into the SAME IMAGE from GLORY TO GLORY, even as BY the SPIRIT of the LORD!"

      Blessings

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      Mel Carriere 10 months ago from San Diego California

      In spite of what lovely Norine says I think you are on to something here. Yes there are eternal truths that can set us free, but there are also what we Catholics call "mysteries" that are not revealed to us at this time. The truth we follow is to love God and our neighbor. Outside of that, politics, philosophy, even hair-splitting theology are open for debate.

      I didn't know you were a lawyer. That's super awesome. I just called 20 people because I couldn't keep it a secret, but none of them have met you yet so they told me to shut up and go back to sleep. Your secret is safe.

      As usual, brilliant sermon, preach. Happy Sunday.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thanks Whonu for that comment. Our mood is for certain a filter through which we determine our reality and hence truth. Sometimes I find myself snarky and everyone in the world is an idiot. Breathe deeply, pray, and count my blessings and all of the sudden everyone I meet is a saint.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Remember that movie with Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise? That line "YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

      Seems appropriate at this time. LOL

      I can't handle all of the truth all of the time. Heck, I can't remember it all of the time....but the quest continues and the willingness is there.

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      Rich Kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

      "Where in the heck did gravity go?"

      If you are grounded on the earth gravity is truth and explainable. The further you move away from the earth/truth the less you will believe in gravity. If you are grounded in God’s truth, the further away you move from Him the less you will be influenced by the truth. Finally you are far enough away that what was truth all of a sudden isn’t. This is where we get the term space cadets, people are close to nothing and founded only in themselves. Good hub make me think.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      Hello "Space Cadets!"

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 10 months ago from Southern Illinois

      Just about the time I think I know something for sure, someone makes a different point about the subject and I think, " That's true " So I agree that we learn as we grow, and sometime we learn a better truth if we listen. Another sermon to make us think and grow. I like that, and I like Janis Joplin!

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      Rich Kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Eric

      Sorry I forgot some people can't be civil. Please remove my post and hers so as not to turn your hub into a tantrum space.

      Rich

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      Dana Tate 10 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      Good sermon, there's plenty food for thought here.

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      Linda Lum 10 months ago from Washington State, USA

      Eric - Another great topic today. I think the crux of the matter is that truth does not change. What does change is one's perspective. Your perspective is not mine, or that of your neighbor, etc., etc.

      In Ecclesiastes 3:11 King Solomon wrote "He has made everything beautiful in its time." At the appropriate point in time, God will make everything fit into the season of your life. It's like the pieces of a puzzle. You struggle to piece things together, and then all of a sudden things just seem to fall into place. That's what happens when you commit both your times and your seasons to God.

      By the way--as for the part about you being a former attorney--I knew that, but I promise I won't breath a word of it to anyone {{wink}}.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Mel, we just spent a day travelling to lovely Orange County. Yuk! How can there be such a difference in quality of life just 90 miles away? The only traffic we have around here is the high class wait to get into the Swap Meet. I hope none of those people you told slip up and tell my wife and son.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Well Bill Holland I forgot to get into that one that is so relevant in my life as I age. Is it still a truth to me if I forgot it? I will try it on my wife next time I forget a chore.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Rich that is just awesome. I love talking about the connectivity of God and love. That "distance from" factor almost seems like a ultimate truth. Aside from being a space cadet, I often say of things I cannot quite get as "out of my grasp".

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine, it is nice to see you let your hair down and actually speak with us normal folk. Space Cadet indeed.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ruby my friend. Have you ever met a person who when the walk into a room the room just gets a better vibe? Well whenever you visit me here it makes me happy. Thanks. I like to say; "Son, I learned something old today". He gets it.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Rich, you are one of my spiritually intellectual heroes. You are not just welcome here but fully invited and appreciated. I think I am doing an OK job of denying the rantrums. Let me know if I leave too much in.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Linda, I hope this Sunday finds you healthy, wealthy and wise. For me, I am old school. I like to hang on to what seem to me to be absolute truths. There is no way my perspective in these days can change the clear and present fact that my God loves me. It was not always so. Now no matter what you could not shake that rock. I thought I had stopped growing. But not so, I learn different ways in which He loves me daily.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana, that is a very nice sentiment for me to hear. As this morning my son said a prayer in thanksgiving for the food we have to eat. It is difficult sometimes when he goes straight to the boss and leaves us middle men who work to put that food on the table out.

      But it got me to thinking. The greatest food God gives me is food for thought.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine, it is good to note that when we walk into the battlegrounds of forums and Q&A's that we are in an open space. When you walk onto my hubs you are in my home. In my home you either act with respect toward others or you are asked to leave and denied further entrance. The truth delivered in a mean and spiteful way creates a doubt of that truth. You create doubt in God.

      Please contribute in peace. And stop the shouting. Look at Bill's comment. He used the all caps appropriately - netiquette. The line was delivered in a shout - and Bill reflected that.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      Your "home" is full of "DUNG!"

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      Dianna Mendez 10 months ago

      Erick, besides the basic unchanging Biblical truths, I do agree we run across new mysteries of truth every day that deserve contemplation. I enjoyed your thoughts. You have a very bright little boy, such a blessing!

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      ahorseback 10 months ago

      Thank you for this Eric ! As any that know me well know that I love that line although not the only line ,-LOL ,......... "There is only one truth ", and there it is . I'm 62 Eric and fully realize that I have just begun to learn and yet weren't we born with an inescapable need to continue to grow our minds. Excellent sermon as always , now if we can just get everyone to listen to you .............Do you think you have been punished enough for being a trial lawyer ? Ha Ha Ha !

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine, notice that I allowed your latest comment. It is a short and sweet indictment of yourself by your own words. But it did give me pause to consider that maybe you are well served by just copying and pasting rather than using your own words.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ed I wish you many more years of growing, and appreciate that through your writing, you bring me along with you. I just love hiking in the wilderness. Seems that every step brings new learning. On steep stuff I always look for a new answer to "why in the heck am I punishing myself".

      Hey I did an equal number of years ministering as lawyering. But I fear my penance is still not complete ;-)

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dianna, that little boy gets just a little handicap and is beating me at chess and his attention span already beats mine. Yikes!!

      Dianna, for me the immutable absolute truths in the Bible, and there are many, are just mine. When I preached in the virtual world I came to understand that each person's understanding of those truths varies at least a tad. That which truly bound us together was not a uniform understanding of God, but rather that wonderful truth of love.

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      Paul K Francis 10 months ago from east coast,USA

      Good stuff to think about. I believe that there are some universal truths behind reality, but it is impossible to know them, so we base our truths on what rings true relative to our beliefs - or something like that! Have a great day!

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Paul, I kind of believe that those universal truths are hidden from us, so that we continue our search. I am definitely one of those that think the journey is often more important than reaching the end. Thanks for coming by, I surely do appreciate it.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      I "copy and paste" WORD which is FAR BETTER than the "dung" you all speak of!

      If you don't know it now, you will end the end (Matthew 24:14)!

      Isaiah 8:20!

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Excuse me Norine but is that use of the word dung in quotation marks really in the Bible? I don't think so. You must know that Hebrew and Greek do not really have words directly translatable from dung. You would have to add the animal, cow dung or pig dung. I think the prodigal son shoveled pic excrement - which is really the closest to a translation.

      I think what you are looking for is Bovine excrement.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      MY KJV 1976 Edition says "dung" in Philippians 3:8; no animal added!

      Bovine excrement meanings BS?

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dang Norine, you use a translation edited by a post Catholic earthly king? And a New version at that. You have not studied some Hebrew and Greek and compare your edition to pre protestant versions. And you accept the version created by worldly emperor Constantine? Wow you have some issues to work out.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      You think that's the only Bible I use? I compare versions but use the one that pertains to the issue. I looked in my other KJV and it says "refuse" vs "dung!" I liked "dung" because you get on my last nerve (in the flesh) full of "fleshy" thinking, conversation (in your house) and desires! It's "dung!"

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you for that Norine, I am glad that you see that even fully speaking for the Holy Spirit you can make mistakes.

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      Rich Kelley 9 months ago from The Ekklesia

      "Some people should use glue stick instead of chap stick"

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      JG Hemlock 9 months ago from VISIONS AND DREAMS

      A trial attorney huh? A Cowboy... A Preacher...A Daddy to a very cute and intellectual boy, A husband....You wear a lot of hats! That's very cool. I liked the read, thought provoking. (and that's the truth) LOL

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Very funny Rich. Interesting when the malady is present in someone over fifty -- except for politicians that is.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      JG, some say it is because I get bored. But I know it is a wanderlust of both mind and body. Probably a healthy dose of mania also ;-)

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      manatita44 9 months ago from london

      Powerful stuff! Powerful ending! A most-illumining, far-reaching and thought-provoking Hub. Om Shanti!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Namaste my good friend Manatita. I count it a true blessing to share my thoughts with you. What a great journey we are on or in or are.

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      Chitrangada Sharan 9 months ago from New Delhi, India

      A very powerful and thought provoking hub! I agree with your points. What most of the people agree with becomes the universal truth. But truth can be subjective too. People may interpret a given situation in many different ways. They may have different perceptions about a given situation or a fact.

      This hub requires some deep thinking.

      Very impressive as always. Thanks for sharing!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hi ChitrangadaSharon, it is good to hear from you. One of my favorite thing to watch is two people returning from a trip recounting the events. They almost inevitably argue about what really happened. And yet normally both are right. Good marriages seem to be comfortable in accepting the other one's perspective.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Howbeit that "men" can "JUDGE" (which is defined as not using the WORD of GOD)? Now, consider this: When one gives the WORD of GOD, it could have been "revealed" and not "interpreted" and you "delete" you stand in damnation! Consider that all you "DELETERS!"

      Scripture says don't "Cause your brother to stumble" (Romans 14:13-23) whether through IGNORANCE or not and by "DELETING" you do! Ezekiel 3:18 says "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; BUT HIS BLOOD WILL I REQUIRE AT THINE HAND;" therefore, "his blood is on your hand!"

      You think that's funny! You think GOD doesn't "see?" You guys have "outsmarted" yourselves because EVERYONE "MUST stand before the judgment seat of Christ" (II Corinthians 5:10)!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine, I read your comment and considered whether or not to delete it. But I think it is a perfect comment here. Most of us are open to the fact that we are fallible. You are not. So we learn a lesson from you. If we are so bold to think that our words are the words of God we fail God, for God speaks for Himself. And God speaks to us all individually not to everyone the same. You speak to everyone the same. Therefor you cannot be the word of God.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      READ Isaiah 8:20 THEN say that!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine -- this is cool and all but you do not speak His word. You actually are a little tiny bit crazy. You hear voices in your head. You are psychotic in how you treat others. You drive people away from Christ. You are seriously anal compulsive.

      I still kind of love you like a wayward puppy. But you need to sit down with yourself and take stalk of the truth. Norine, face up now - you are not speaking for God.

      To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 9 months ago from The Caribbean

      Amen to the prayer. The more we grow, the more truth we discover.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dora, isn't it interesting all the fads we see to make us feel better in some way. But prayer is so much better. My son gave a marvelous prayer of thanks giving last night that made everything just right.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      It would behoove you DELETERS to listen to Teaches12345 and "contemplate" what you are learning because apparently you don't STUDY yet "proclaim" Christianity!

      "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD" (Romans 10:17)! Where does this leave you guys Amening a "sermon" with no WORD to increase your "FAITH!"

      Their "blood is on thy hand!"

      I'm sooooo sorry for you guys "trying" to be policemen but don't know the law; therefore can't enforce it as you "try" to be Christians but don't know what the WORD says and sound IGNORANT and act IGNORANT because of "lack of knowledge" (IGNORANT)!!

      I pray!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      To remember well that when there was contention between Paul and Peter regarding the matters of circumcision and non-Jews it was not reconciled between them by one lecturing the other. Talk in mutual respect and a vision from God settled any dispute.

      All you do is chastise, criticize and talk down to people. Of what good is that? You do not respect other people and/or their opinions. You think that only you have a connection with God. You breathe upon others your religion (for what you espouse is that everyone follow you instead of Christ directly). It is not my role in life to tolerate obnoxious people at the cost of injury to others.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine. This is way too long of comment. I believe it is longer than the whole book of Philemon. Let us see what happens if I just do not approve it, therefor it will not be deleted.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Now you are reacting according to the WORD of GOD! Thank the LORD you LOVE HIM enough to "respect" HIS WORD; not *mine*!

      There is a high price for a cheap thrill!

      Blessings

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Eric very interesting subject.

      I have learned a great deal here on HP.

      Pertaining to the subject the truth exist .but many times the truth is translated into what people want it to mean. What their lifestyles want it to be.

      Not according to what the Heavenly Father would want us to live by.

      1Ti 2:4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of

      truth.

      Eph 4:4 One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling;

      1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

      Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

      Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      K&T that is just great! Thank you for such a wonderful contribution to my humble hub. We are blessed to have teachers of the Bible among us here. I would just love it if I could count on you to comment just so on all my "sermons".

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine there just may be one universal truth. And that would be that you make no sense.

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      Frank Atanacio 9 months ago from Shelton

      absolute sermon, my friend.. like a rabbit hole of the mind.. love that little tidbit.. and as always enjoy your sermons my friend have a good week..

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Norine my last comment did say man , but you payed no attention to the comma after man.

      I did not Relate Jesus as a man in heaven ! You just did.

      I said he is the mediator of men , a man,

      You are a contentous person stop it !

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thanks Frank. I sometimes wonder if it is not more of a blessing to have questions as opposed to answers. Possibly we would stop learning and how sad that would be.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hey K&T. I think there is a difference even between arguing and contentious. Questioning and standing for a position and belief seems righteous. Who really knows who is wrong or right -- not another human.

      So if we are charged with avoiding being contentious, are we not also charged with stopping it when we see it. So as quick as I can I will delete Norine's contentiousness.

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Eric I appreciate your way of peace. I just think its nice to make a comment without somebody attacking every word a person says .no body can be wrong all the time , and nobody can be right all the time.

      But its sad when another human tries to take over God’s position from an earthy point.

      God is in the heavens he sees and hears and judges fair examining the complete heart .

      No man or woman or child can do this.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Wow, someone just went 500 words over the word count of this hub. Interesting to ponder.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      You asked at the beginning about gravity and what we learned in outer space where gravity seems not to exist right?

      Well, before we got out there we already knew (or worked out) that gravity was still there, just not as strong, and something else was working on it.

      Gravity is what holds our universe together! It's holding the galaxies together, yes they are mostly moving apart through some other force that we might have figured out, but gravity is the brake slowing it all down!

      Now back to the point, truth, like gravity is still here, still working and still absolute! Other things are also working that might distort or even seemingly hide that truth, but it's still working and still there for us to find!

      Jesus said "You shall know the truth, and it will set you free!"

      Great subject and sorry for 'boring you're with my thoughts, but to me the two don't change.

      Lawrence

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Lawrence I hope you understood that I was talking about our perspective that changes. I suggest that there are things that we consider absolute today that will not be tomorrow. It really does not matter when we got a grasp on gravity, just that our notions of it have been altered. Of course gravity has never changed.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      I did, and I was using that argument to show that even when we think things change they actually don't! I just used the same metaphor that you'd used as it seemed the best one to get the point across.

      Truth remains just that, despite how our understanding of it might change.

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Lawrence, sorry for the delay. Sometimes that HP notice system is not as efficient as I would desire.

      You are so smart. Yes the truth remains the truth. But it is quite interesting how it changes "to us". Here is a good one. I have agape love for you. If I was all sensitive if you disagree with me --- perhaps that love would fade. But way for sure in truth it would remain. Angry with your child? The truth is that your love for them does not change, perhaps it hides itself.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      And so it is with GOD! HE loves us but patiently awaits our return to HIS DOCTRINE not man-made RELIGION!

      And as you "chastise" your child into "righteousness," so does HIS WORD (Hebrews 12:6-11)!

      Blessings

      Norine

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine, He has eternal patience. I do not. I think we may be wise to consider that we do not leave the HS that is in us. We simply get busy and forget to look through God's eyes for us. This love of discipline and discipleship is not and never will be a punishment but rather like a coach forcing us to try harder and be better. And part of that deal is to be a team player. We must be in sync with others in order to please the ultimate coach.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      If HE has "eternal patience," there would be NO HELL! There is "a spirit" in ALL, but not "THE HOLY SPIRIT," if one didn't "obey HIS COMMANDS" and that is to "SEEK" (Matthew 6:33; II Chronicles 7:14) and "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for the "Communication Line" DIRECTLY TO HIM! Then and ONLY then, will we "be in sync with others in order to please the ultimate coach" for the HOLY SPIRIT has "ONE MIND" which keeps us "in sync!"

      LOVE

      Norine

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine I think I get your point. Please look up the concepts of ordinary and extraordinary. I think you are getting dangerously close to putting rules on what God can do.

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